GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[Kuro116]

I've been snooping around altruist camp and will continue for a while. Just wanted an opinion, in the cave underneath the camp there is a sideways version of the sun setting, the only time I have seen anything close to that image is during overcast weather image on the internet weather forecast, could it be a weather hint?

[Ungreth]

It's more of a healing thing than a damaging thing but, you would't understand i don't think.

 

 

Depends if you prefer the taste of the red pill or the blue pill I guess

[RVG013]

Was reading the post on reddit about the james dean movie. And did some googling. There are more movies shot at griffith park beside this one and rockateer. Terminator.. Transformers.. star trek.

 

Didn't knew that.

 

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Immortalized/JamesDean.shtml

[tresshold]

the other building (near the stone) at the altruist camp with the open window should be enter able.

sticky bombs go through the windows and you can see through with the sniper scope.

maybe parachuting in is possible, its a small opening next to the window

 

the window in the barn seems closed, no bullets enter.

[TirkaneX]

Imo

 

The hidden "grave" is another clue. it show the top of a structure located elsewhere in the map.

[Excalibur58]

@Tirkanex: Tu ne te reposes jamais? (you never get some rest?)

 

This grave near of this big tree could be a clue... or just an element of the scenery. But I don't think it is hidding a structure.

Unfortunately, we can't see any inscriptions on this grave. Maybe we missed an unsolved murder?

[TirkaneX]

lol, no i don't sleep enough it's true...

 

But if we could find the same struture at the top of a church or any else building, a roof with this decoration on one side of a structure in LS?

 

That's could also explain why there's no inscriptions, because it doesn't represent a grave. Yeah it look like but maybe it's not.

 

After all, "Jack sheepe" is just a placard but also a clue to search a grave...

Edited March 1, 2014 by TirkaneX

[TouchDownBoy]

Went to the top of Chiliad this morning with Trevor and waited there for the UFO just to see if anything else might show at the same time. I had my phone out to double check the time and at 4:04 i heard a countdown timer go off. I thought this was a little strange. Anyone else experience this. And if you have did anything else happen?

[neku_neku]

Went to the top of Chiliad this morning with Trevor and waited there for the UFO just to see if anything else might show at the same time. I had my phone out to double check the time and at 4:04 i heard a countdown timer go off. I thought this was a little strange. Anyone else experience this. And if you have did anything else happen?

countdown timer? are you mention about the binocular clicking sound that go off?

Edited March 1, 2014 by neku_neku

[TouchDownBoy]

@neku_neku

No no, i hadnt used the binoculars at that point and there was nobody else around but it was a similar sort of noise though. Maybe it was just a glitch but it was strange that it happened at that precise time.

[Excalibur58]

 

 

lol, no i don't sleep enough it's true...

 

But if we could find the same struture at the top of a church or any else building, a roof with this decoration on one side of a structure in LS?

 

That's could also explain why there's no inscriptions, because it doesn't represent a grave. Yeah it look like but maybe it's not.

 

After all, "Jack sheepe" is just a placard but also a clue to search a grave...

Here are 2 pictures that I took by moving the camera

 

 

You can see that it is a little mausoleum. There is none inscription on it. the "door" seems sealed.

 

Maybe we can find the same emblem at his top, elsewhere, who knows?

http://rsg.ms/OMAGN8

Edited March 1, 2014 by Excalibur58

[Crimie]

@Tirk @Excalibur

You can find the same grave at the Hill Valley Church (Great Scott)

 

 

Its definitely the same as it was reported in the file thread that this FZ grave doesnt show up in collision viewer, neither do the Hill Valley ones...

 

Look out for this one to show up in a youtube video with X-Files music playing in the background.

Something to note is that the X-Files music is the most prolific GTA myths music in all the youtube videos, no doubt they have taken inspiration from that show and the ideas and myths presented in those fan videos.

(Im pretty sure the Gordo ghost is a direct inspiration from the Vice City Lighthouse ghost myth that "appears at midnight")

If you discount that thought, just look at the Scooter Brothers character switch!

Edited March 1, 2014 by One Poor Fool

[neku_neku]

arranged the textures by colors then we get this. not much help though

(umm start from blue color)

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2014 by neku_neku

[Crimie]

I come bearing gifts! Sorry if these have been discussed, thought id give my own thoughts on them anyway

Above the "Self Actualization" store you can find this hidden logo you all know about,

 

 

 

The thought I had about it was the keyhole shape. Behind this "locked door" is Epsilon..."Kifflom" or "Happiness" (Kifflom can be used to denote happiness im pretty sure thats what they mean by it half the time when they say it)

So how do you open the door? You need a key, the key is below the door... "Self Actualization"

 

And next door on the comic book shop theres one about the Chiliad Mystery im pretty sure, this is what I got out of it anyway.

 

 

 

Here we have the human eye socket (which looks like Rockstars depiction of Zeus like in Nextonexs avatar???) staring back at an Alien Gray (or Alien Black) kind of sums up the chiliad mystery in a way, here we have an eye of human origin seperated from the body (third eye?) almost as if to go "out there" and view things for itself, and what drives this home as a nice reference is the inclusion of Bigfoot lookin like a boss in the bottom corner to give it a more of a mythical/mystery related feel.

Edited March 1, 2014 by One Poor Fool

[Excalibur58]

@Tirk @Excalibur

You can find the same grave at the Hill Valley Church (Great Scott)

 

 

Its definitely the same as it was reported in the file thread that this FZ grave doesnt show up in collision viewer, neither do the Hill Valley ones...

 

Thank you One Poor Fool! Yes, you are absolutely right, the same that Hill Valley Church ones... Maybe just a forgotten grave... nothing more....

Edited March 1, 2014 by Excalibur58

[Crimie]

The thought I had about the Zancudo grave was perhaps they were to have a fallen heros graveyard site for the "Young soldiers of SA who unwillingly gave their lives" in the memorial plaque near the Fort. Maybe they laid down some graves and scrapped the idea to do something else...time constraints...just tried to cover it up, maybe leave it jutting out to f*ck with us, you know how they are!

Edited March 1, 2014 by One Poor Fool

[Excalibur58]

It could be also an old abandonned cimetery which was there..... But I prefer your interpretation... Anyway, we will probably never know if it was the intention of R* that we discover it for another wild goose chase, or just a collision bug. You never know what they want us to to look for!

[ichnixwissen]

I dont think that i am the only one who noticed this, but all over the map there are advertisings

of "the children of the mountain" even on the church in the near of franklins first house...

 

I thinks its part of something, maybe on a dlc they fight vs the epsilon members

[Eram]

(...)

@eram . this was after the camp was taken over, not sure if you were talkin about before the camp was taken over.

Yeah, after the camp was cleared.

 

Using the glitch that I explained on my other post (leave T at the rock, fly an heli there with M or F and switch back to T), allows T to walk around as if the camp was never cleared, in my game that is still waiting confirmation of this from anyone else.

 

I'm also still planning having some other "glitch testing" there (maybe try some triple hangout, etc.), but I'm now preparing for Mardi Gras and will not be ingame at least untill mid next week

As allways I'll surely post here if any relevant stuf is found.

 

Sorry Eram I missed this post you made earlier, in answer to that, Ron refers to government spy drones watching over him trying to sell guns he legally owns, also along from that, on the news report you get from doing the weapons trafficking with Trevor, a news report is aired about the increase of government drone activity in the Senora Desert. Ron makes other references to drones in freeroam aswell IIRC. Someone also said they heard someone talking about drones on the CB radio but i dont think we could confirm that as true

(...)

@OPF - I'm aware of the drone references, but the way you posted previously was not clear enough to me and so I thought that I could have missed something.

All clear now, thanks.

Edited March 1, 2014 by EramVerdes

[paulmgrath]

After reading this thread im seeing the eye of providence in all games! Bioshock inf, Borderlands 2, Deus EX, Uncharted 3 LOL!!

[SHARKEM]

arranged the textures by colors then we get this. not much help though

(umm start from blue color)

 

 

 

look at the colours of the 100% checklist in the stats. that's why i tried doing them in spectral order - roygb. if you can give more reasoning for the chosen order here i might retry in such a way since i have the ideal save to do it.

Edited March 1, 2014 by SHARKEM

[TirkaneX]

I come bearing gifts! Sorry if these have been discussed, thought id give my own thoughts on them anyway

Above the "Self Actualization" store you can find this hidden logo you all know about,

 

 

 

The thought I had about it was the keyhole shape. Behind this "locked door" is Epsilon..."Kifflom" or "Happiness" (Kifflom can be used to denote happiness im pretty sure thats what they mean by it half the time when they say it)

So how do you open the door? You need a key, the key is below the door... "Self Actualization"

 

I understood nothing...

[tonywehbe]

i think that this grave is the one that we are looking for, i tried everything with this grave and now i am going to take the dozer to it, please if any one have any idea about it just tell me and i will try it.

 

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if this was posted before please somebody tell me so i can delete it

[Crimie]

@Tirk, I dont know man, just my thoughts about it, the questions posed here are "Why is the Epsilon logo in the keyhole shape?"

And nothing significant about an eye staring at an alien ?

Im sorry im not sure how to explain further, just my thoughts about these, it is what it is, I dont mean there is a door behind the shops or anything, just some metaphorical type interpretations

[XMarqstheSpot]

Epsilon is the Key to it all.

 

My current playthrough us telling me this now that i am armed with the information we have all contributed.

 

 

On a side note, i wasn't aware that you could talk to Tanya with Michael, he is kind of rude towards her, lol.

 

I wonder what other ? characters that are character specific can be interacted with by the other protag's.

 

 

I noticed that when you kill... Griff?(sign holding racist near SS) using Franklin that i am getting a RED flash instead of the usual BLUE that seemed to indicate an "Innocent" person.

 

Have not had time to see what happens with the other two protag's.

 

think i might buy a Hauppage HDPVR 2, or whatever it's called today. This stuff needs to be getting recorded and documented, so hopefully later today/tomorrow i can start filming some stuff for us.

 

My intuition is telling me that there is still some "Mystery" to be solved.... and i like making video's, hehe.

[neku_neku]

look at the colours of the 100% checklist in the stats. that's why i tried doing them in spectral order - roygb. if you can give more reasoning for the cosen order here i might retry in such a way since i have the ideal save to do it.

 

nah, no specific reason, i just think all the textures fit in that order

btw i follow your color order..this is the best i can do by now

 

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2014 by neku_neku

[Crimie]

Epsilon is the Key to it all.

 

Be this as it may, the way i look at it, Epsilon is behind the door, we are looking through the keyhole, so hypothetically, we would open this door from the outside, the key to open this door I suspect is the self actualization or the third eye as is depicted in those posters below.

 

So Self actualization is the key to Epsilon, it might be hard to convice someone to join a money hungry crazy cult...but if they "self actualize" the epsilon message means something then, its understandable.

Like Marnie lets say, I dont know if you remember her in GTA IV when you meet her as Niko, but im convinced she wouldnt have joined Epsilonism at the time.

Niko helped her out, gave her a fresh start, she went down a new road, "self actualized" for example, became a better clean person, looked for something greater out of life, and now the greater meaning behind what the epsilonists talk about means something to her. She found her Kifflom..or happiness, Better off than being a heroin addicted prostitute.

Just what I think, it all means something else to the next man or nothing at all even.

Edited March 1, 2014 by One Poor Fool

[XMarqstheSpot]

Yes, self actualization is the key to it all, more importantly.(this is just my opinion, obviously there could be nothing more to figure out)

 

 

Play the "Hero", this is a theme throughout all of history with all people.

 

 

 

I'm starting to see M as more of a... Demon on my current playthrough.

 

He obviously likes "chaos", it makes him feel good, it's his inner purpose. He realizes that everybody is the same as him and his unfair moral judgments that he places on himself is just Fear bondage of the Mind.

 

If M was to follow his intuition then he would be a seriously twisted individual. He is seriously conflicted with his true self subconsciously.

 

EDIT: What i mean is that M "believes" that he want's this perfect life but, it's really not a perfect life at all as he realizes and would rather be "Robbing banks, running whores, and smuggling dope", as he puts it.

 

It may not be the most noble of inner/true calling's but, to deny yourself is terribly destructive on the psyche.

 

Also, on another side note, i can't find anything about what Brian is/was referring to regarding keeping Dr. Friedlander alive possibly. I have looked for anything that would be a clue as to who else would be the person to kill him if M does not but, there is literally nothing to clue you in to who it could/would be.

 

So i'm hoping that if B stops in that he might drop me a PM with some more info.

Edited March 1, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[TirkaneX]

Forget him, this guy is a joke.

 

I spent a long time, lot of search. The last one was 9th paradigm=9th comsole generation=PS4 xbox one wii u. It's totally false, a tone of report in web says ps3/360 is 7th gen and ps4/one 8th, a ton. i've never read anywhere ps4 was the 9th generation.

 

And when I told him, he told me that I'm wrong! This guy is all alone in his world and it's very sad.

 

Continues your investigations you without taking into account the consents of this guy,

I tried to save frielander and it is impossible, even calling the police, stop his car, he always finds a way to escape, the time that you go out of your car it is already gone.

I have managed just one time to block his car completely, but I can't open his door.

[TirkaneX]

I maintain that this grave may represent the front or top view of a building.

Edited March 1, 2014 by TirkaneX