GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[XMarqstheSpot]

Michael is super fantastic as a protag, that's for sure.

Edited February 14, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[LiquidNitrogen]

@Tirk I don't think THAT R-108 has anything to do with this.

Edited February 14, 2014 by LiquidNitrogen

[roadkill6creator]

 

One question, has anyone switched to Trevor, and he's swimming underwater in the Alamo Sea? I've never had that happen

 

yeah dude. a few days ago. anything to it?

 

had that yesterday for the first time, tried to haul the sub over there but it always sinks my cargo bob -_-

[roadkill6creator]

and for the half sun things, there are multiple buildings covered in them

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/GTPFbgRGXE-4gSND7vEzWw

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/anW0J6btW0WLkWsPjtrn-w

 

also on a church you get the water, fire and air symbols

 

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/CbN3A9xW0UeiZO-aM9BifQ

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/jnWQYWYvwk28H9VfmGubzg

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/8hrxgpRK_0KbqfjjuQtlhg

[TirkaneX]

Yep, but, imo he's not an "Angel" or "good"etc... And Trevor is not the "devil" or the "bad"? They're only the descendants of différents "God". And Kraff is not the good and Zapho the bad. Only two entity Have you tried to keep their influences.

Of course, the closer of Kraff,genetically, is michael, the more... pure
Trevor is closer to zapho (Red + yellow = orange)
Franklin is also close to Krafft (blue + yellow = green)

According to the choices:

Michael can

-stay close to Krafft (blue)
-follow the path Zaph,o that will lead him and his descendants to a new evolution (blue + red = purple)
-Follow the neutral path is becoming like Franklin (blue + yellow = green)

Trevor can

-stay close to Zapho keeping his free will (red + yellow = orange)
-To fully devote himself to Zapho.
-Be closer as possible to neutrality.

Franklin can

-become neutral (yellow)
-Remain on both sides trying to maintain a balance (green)
-Closer to Krafft (blue)

 

[nextonex]

I think we kinda went off topic, and that was likely my fault. If there is another thread where we can talk about these guys, point me to it because I have alot of thoughts on it as well as the prologue but I don't want to derail this thread.

 

As far as this video, and Kraff etc... Kraff seems like a dick. he's a loser, he runs away to another place or planet, performs genocide on the native population, Steals the queen's eggs and creates his own master race. Doesn't sound like a nice guy.

 

I think I'm going with the red team, whatever that means. I didn't hear anything in this story that makes me think that the red lizard people did anything to deserve this. So jerk shows up one day with advanced technology and decides he knows best.

 

Don't think that the message of the American Indians is lost on me, it's not, but I'm trying to play along the best I can.

 

If this message was about the American Indians, you would think there would be more references in the game. Actually, I'm not sure what anything is about anymore, I think I'm going to just play GTAO and Rockband and forget I ever saw the damn mural.

 

But I won't..

[Crimie]

@Walter very nice spot, I never noticed the dreamcatchers detail! I guess you are right there is something sinister about it all!

 

@ungreth thats some pretty crazy stuff, the only think I can think of is that character switch file that was found "Rand temple" if we can figure out what rand temple is referring to could have some relation to it maybe?Who knows, As a side note, I always thought the Johnsons Realty was referencing Kendyll Johnsons aspirations to become a big player in the real estate business in San Andreas, its probably just a coincedence but makes sense to me!

 

For anyone noticing different character switches, there was a new update yesterday so id imagine this is the cause of the new spawn situations most probably

[Scoobysrt]

 

 

 

 

One question, has anyone switched to Trevor, and he's swimming underwater in the Alamo Sea? I've never had that happen

yeah dude. a few days ago. anything to it?

 

had that yesterday for the first time, tried to haul the sub over there but it always sinks my cargo bob -_-

 

Scooby's tip for the day.......

 

Always disconnect the sub from the cargo bob when trying to search water lol

 

Ps3 press right on d pad brings hook down, pressing it while loaded drops your airlifted object.

 

Edit, i asked about rand temple a while ago, i had no replies. It is quite important as its a spawn point that i have never seen or heard of.

Just to make note, all the spawn cut scenes mentioned the last few pages are ones ive seen and i dont have the updates.

[greenie77]

R108 might be referencing the airship. Maybe someone might try landing it at the airfield.

[roadkill6creator]

@ungreth you talked about phi earlier, the golden ratio, so if i'm not mistaken the drawing of leonardo da vinci that has to do with that is something like this right?

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/games/gtav/snapmatic/myphotos/photo/JDTKAapc4EuczSCmq2pJSA

once you start looking around the map for something you start to see it everywhere, it kinda makes you a bit crazy

[nextonex]

 

 

 

X, Follow me on twitch.tv/nextonex and we can talk about and look into whatever you would like. I would enjoy discussing different gameplay ideas with someone who understands Brianism. I can also show you more of these Rainbow Lasers. I call them Rainbow Lasers after the in game cartoon, and because well, they look like lasers.

 

Now this is interesting.

 

I had posted pictures here, now they are gone.. did you see the pictures?

 

I'll just post them again

 

 

They are not a graphics glitch, they only appear on very specific structures following a very specific theme. I've brought them up many times and they are always dismissed as a glitch, there are specific conditions in order to see them, Very clever on the developers part. The pictures do not do them justice.

 

I can also prove that they are not a graphics engine artifact.

 

Thanks for your interest. I'll be on twitch most nights. If you follow me, I think you get an email when I go live. twitch.tv/nextonex . I am always looking for things to investigate and test on my channel as long as it doesn't involve glitching under the map or clipping through the geometry. Please PM me on here or twitch with any suggestions or ideas. Lately I've just been screwing around in GTAO but I would like to get back to SP once I have something interesting to investigate.

Edited February 14, 2014 by nextonex

[bs flip]

Not sure if this has been tried already , but if you get a 2 star or more wanted level in the spacedocker, the lights stay on and shine through walls when you exit it . Maybe something shows up in the interior of a building using the lights.

[timesteal]

@Roadkill

Yes, those "Half Suns" in your photos are in multiple locations.

The post I made was of something not so obvious & easily found. Seeing it from far away &/or in the air is difficult.

It's probably nothing, however it looks nothing like the ones mentioned.

[roadkill6creator]

@Roadkill

Yes, those "Half Suns" in your photos are in multiple locations.

The post I made was of something not so obvious & easily found. Seeing it from far away &/or in the air is difficult.

It's probably nothing, however it looks nothing like the ones mentioned.

i know what you ment, i just say if things keep reaccuring in multiple forms it has to be significant. obvious or not. and no matter how many times you walked around the map, you keep finding and seeing new stuff all the time. that's what makes you go nuts lol.

Edited February 14, 2014 by roadkill6creator

[XMarqstheSpot]

Cris Formage
Epsilon Cult of America
PO Box 10012
Grand Canaria
Cayman Islands

 

Hmm, Cayman Islands?

 

Cayman Islands

Amanda Is Cln Ys?

Amanda Sins CYL

Amandas Sin CYL

A Man Sins CYLDA

A Man Sins Day LC

Many Sins LADCA

Man sins Daly AC

Man sns Daily AC

Man Scans Daily

Man Daily Scans

Scans Man Daily

Scans Daily Man

Daily Scans Man

Daily Man Scans

[TirkaneX]

@Deadman2112 & @OnePoorFool

 

If you work together, you will resolve an important part of the mystery.

[XMarqstheSpot]

 

For anyone noticing different character switches, there was a new update yesterday so id imagine this is the cause of the new spawn situations most probably

the "New" switches people are seeing are actually old ones from the game release.

 

You people don't switch enough and you don't save and progress your games enough to see different switch scenes apparently.

 

For example, the Trevor swimming in the Alamo Sea "new" scene is quite old and has been brought up many times now as a "New" scene.

 

Pretty much, people see a bunch of "New to them" switch scenes during the progress of the main story as you switch between the Protag's but, once they reach the end of the game they stop saving and progressing.

 

the characters live their lives when you are not controlling them. Loading up the same game over and over will result in the same character switch scenes being reused.

 

You have to progress to see new things, even after the story stops.

 

 

Hope that helps to clear this up.

[XMarqstheSpot]

@OnePoorFool

 

-gas, oil and nuclear

-hydro (dam), solar (solar panels), wind (wind farm)

 

3 are polluting energy

3 are ecological energy

 

Energy.

I love how you can post this with no warning about it being too "Metaphoric".

 

Me, i would have gotten a warning within 30 seconds.

 

Not hating you, Tirk, just pointing out that there is some Tomfoolery around these parts.

 

I would have simply added the sentence "The Power of 3" to everything Tirk wrote but, actually giving helpful information is frowned upon, apparently.

 

Kifflom!

 

 

EDIT: Maybe this will help. http://imgur.com/a/EIK8e

Edited February 14, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[Sandeman83]

@Scoobysrt

 

You've just reminded me of something I came across when wiki-ing (possibly prompted last time you mentioned it haha)

 

There's a company called RAND (Research and Development), that's been involved in all sorts of stuff since the 40's, including the space race. They also have a real life location in Santa Monica in a location that looks like it's just off Vespucci beach in GTA's world.

 

Probably just a coincidence, thought you might be interested though

 

* just google mapped it, and it's also in the shape of an eye

Edited February 14, 2014 by Sandeman83

[Crimie]

@Deadman2112 & @OnePoorFool

 

If you work together, you will resolve an important part of the mystery.

We are working together, im sure if you worked with us also we could know your knowledge of the mystery and move on to more pressing issues, I dont know why people wouldnt share their ideas, possibly just afraid of no one batting an eye lid to it and it getting swept under the rug with the rest, so keeping it cryptic maintains its relevance or something

[DFur4M]

 

@Deadman2112 & @OnePoorFool

 

If you work together, you will resolve an important part of the mystery.

We are working together, im sure if you worked with us also we could know your knowledge of the mystery and move on to more pressing issues, I dont know why people wouldnt share their ideas, possibly just afraid of no one batting an eye lid to it and it getting swept under the rug with the rest, so keeping it cryptic maintains its relevance or something

 

 

I think everybody shares their ideas.. i mean, i´ve seen some pretty crazy ones and yet possibles.

For example this clone fake one about people being clones and getting a B on the map for brad.. that was a troll obviously, but if presented as a theory, it would be crazy, but it could as well happen even if it is so crazy.

 

Nobody is hiding any ideas... people just want to have a tiny bit of reason for posting those ideas. The more reason they have, the more attention that idea gets. That´s how it works.

[pudcrud]

So this is all pretend fan fiction then right? Ok cool .

[XMarqstheSpot]

Yep, but, imo he's not an "Angel" or "good"etc... And Trevor is not the "devil" or the "bad"? They're only the descendants of différents "God". And Kraff is not the good and Zapho the bad. Only two entity Have you tried to keep their influences.

Yes to absolutely everything you posted.

 

I am just Trying to point out that the three characters represent id, Superego, and Ego.

 

Trevor, with his mommy issues(Oedipus Complex) and his want for only things that give him the immediate reward of pleasure, is obviously the id.

 

Michael, progressed past the id to the second development stage according to Freud. Michael is the Superego, acting off the Reality Principal(iirc).

 

Franklin has surpassed both the id and superego and progressed to development stage three, the Ego. He is compromise between Trevor and Michael(he is C).

 

That's the basis of the character profiles if anyone wants to look deeper and try to carry any of this over to the game in a playthrough, or something.

 

EDIT: The id is the primitive and instinctive component of personality. It consists of all the inherited (i.e. biological) components of personality, including the sex (life) instinct –Eros (which contains the libido), and aggressive (death) instinct - Thanatos.

The id is the impulsive (and unconscious) part of our psyche which responds directly and immediately to the instincts. The personality of the newborn child is all id and only later does it develop ego and super-ego.

The id demands immediate satisfaction and when this happens we experience pleasure, when it is denied we experience ‘unpleasure’ or pain. The id is not affected by reality, logic or the everyday world.

On the contrary, it operates on the pleasure principle (Freud, 1920) which is the idea that every wishful impulse should be satisfied immediately, regardless of the consequences. The id engages in primary process thinking, which is primitive illogical, irrational, and fantasy oriented.

Trevor.

Edited February 14, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[Scoobysrt]

@Scoobysrt

 

You've just reminded me of something I came across when wiki-ing (possibly prompted last time you mentioned it haha)

 

There's a company called RAND (Research and Development), that's been involved in all sorts of stuff since the 40's, including the space race. They also have a real life location in Santa Monica in a location that looks like it's just off Vespucci beach in GTA's world.

 

Probably just a coincidence, thought you might be interested though

 

* just google mapped it, and it's also in the shape of an eye

Yes i am, thankyou.

 

The mention of rand temple in the files i think refers to a spawn point for trevor.

I have never seen a rand temple so had a thought that maybe once a next step is triggered it could open up somewhere.

It wont use it as a spawn now because its not open yet if that makes sence.

 

It does however have a more probable reasoning in that if its not cut content it could be a spawn point we all know but just dont realise its called the rand temple.

 

Now youve mentioned an egg shape, space race and a location simular to the game im going to have another look into it.

I admit until recently mentioned i had forgotten about it even though ive just noticed it is on my things to do list lol.

[XMarqstheSpot]

Michael - The superego.

 

The superego's function is to control the id's impulses, especially those which society forbids, such as sex and aggression. It also has the function of persuading the ego to turn to moralistic goals rather than simply realistic ones and to strive for perfection.

 

Sex - Michael is IMPOTENT, when he tries to have sex with hookers, he sometimes has trouble getting it up. "I think i felt something" - Michael.

He struggles between pleasure(Hookers/Strippers) and Morals(Married).

 

Aggression - Michael want's to stop being so aggressive, with his anger issues and his hurting innocent people. He knows what's right but, struggles between pleasure and what he knows is right.

 

Strive for Perfection - Michael takes Franklin under his wing to show him how to be better at what he does. Michael always wants to plan a heist. He wears suits. He lives the "American Dream", etc, etc.

 

 

 

You can see how Michael and Trevor "Could" represent the good/evil angels on Frank's shoulders, metaphorically.

 

Franklin want's to get out of the hood and do things better but, he doesn't really have the drive to completely cut himself off... until he meets Michael. After he meets Michael he moves out of the hood to a nice new house and tries to move beyond the ghetto life. Franklin see's his potential after Michael makes him reach for bigger and better things.

 

Michael Encourages Franklin to get out of the smaller heists world and come do big things with his crew. no more "realistic" goals for Franklin after this, it's all striving for perfection afterwards.

Edited February 14, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[Scoobysrt]

This is the closest i can get to a rand temple https://www.reikiwebstore.com/ProductImages/CP500LgPoster.jpg

 

Rand is a very interesting word regarding this game http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand

 

Rand the research and development company mentioned above have offices all over the world including head office at santa monica. On google maps it looks more like an eye to me than an egg.

On the game map its simular to the area where vespucci blvd meets south rockford drive.

Im gonna jump on shortly and have a look around.

[nextonex]

That is a very interesting take on the characters. I wish I had of heard that months ago. I'm sure you posted it somewhere and it got downvoted to oblivion which is why I never saw it, though I vaguely remember reading it before.

 

I still think you got Michael and Franklin Backwards, But I'm no psychologist, so it's possible I'm looking at it wrong.

 

He struggles between pleasure(Gang Banging) and Morals(Tanisha).

 

Man what I wouldn't give to see the design docs for this game. If they released a book about how this game was made, I would buy it in a second.

[krafffrom9]

don't forget Jung, thanks to whom this plan psychologic passed from 3 to 4...

4 it's a whole which form the 5: consciousness...

when these 4 capacities are accepted by the subject, they appear 5...

 

now you understand karma's references?

 

now here is the mural of savables because Brian is doubting:

 

recognize-you, see the eye

crys from mag(ic)

 

Kifflom!

Edited February 14, 2014 by krafffrom9

[Dog_Bread]

Just wanted to draw attention to my post:

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/chiliadmystery/comments/1xxj78/the_true_way/

[Ungreth]

Ayn Rand Temple?

 

http://templeofthehumanspirit.wordpress.com/