GTA V Metaphors, Philosophy and Hidden Meanings.

[nextonex]

Enlightenment.

 

I've had some discussions here and there about enlightenment. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of the participants of this thread on it.

 

It seems to me that if I was the characters, living in their world, that the highest form of enlightenment they could achieve would be to realize they are in a videogame or some sort of simulation.

 

This would totally break the 4th wall, and the game. I don't think it's possible but that's not really what we are talking about in this thread

 

To them, we would seem like a god, like Kraff.

 

Sorry for all the posts. I'll chill out now. I just wanted to get some of that out there.

 

Kifflom!

[TirkaneX]

It wasn't to prove anything. It was to make a connexion between crop circle and green light ingame. I don't care if this article is pertinent or true.

[Scoobysrt]

Diamonds are found with quartz, we have a quartz quarry in game.....

[Stipeyy]

Diamonds are found with quartz, we have a quartz quarry in game.....

And also kortz center

[williamcampbell]

 

Heres a fun theory,

Only a select few characters from the 3D GTAs have crossed universes so to speak,the most notable one we know is Cris Formage. The other ones that have crossed over seem to be mainly celebrities from the previous GTAs (Lazlow, Love Fist,Darius fontaine, BJ Smith, Mad Dogg, OG Loc, Jock Cranley, Candy Suxx, Kent Paul, (If Kent Paul Exists then so does Maccer maybe and he is definitely an Epsilonist.) there are some more I will try and remember them)

 

EL BURRO is all I'll say. I was really disappointed that he didn't actually appear in GTA IV or V. He could/should be the "link" between all eras/universes, seeing as he was the very first character to jump from one universe to the other.

 

cerevantis74: as a Twilight Zone fan I absolutely LOVE your theory. I know it's probably not what it is but I would love to think of it that way. Heck, I'll take that over metaphorical visions of GTA V any day.

Edited February 6, 2014 by williamcampbell

[backfromthestorm]

 

About the green light:

 

 

Source.

just driving around with the cam on in the middle of nowhere.

to much coincidence IMHO just like all ufo video's.

its proven fact aliens can't visit us, I could explain but this is not the topic and it would take to long.

common sense and logic thinking

 

 

 

 

It's not a 'proven fact'.

 

Just very unlikely due to many reasons. Distances involved, lack of knowledge of our little rock and just plain disinterest being a few, not to mention there may not be anything out there, however unlikely that is. After all anyone looking at our little planet from afar would be looking at a planet where humans and our technology are yet to evolve.

 

 

But not a proven fact. Science lessens the margin of error.. as powerful as that is. But being so sure as to dismiss possibilities outright is the ground of religious dogma. Not science.

Edited February 6, 2014 by backfromthestorm

[bongon69]

 

 

Could this be possible? This is a bit off topic. Rockstar stated the GTA5 universe and the Universe in SA were not the same. So, how is it OG LOC's name is on the walk of stars, and his record is on Franklin's wall?

Just one example.

 

 

Could this be GTA5? Could everything we have experienced in GTA5 have actually been on an alien recreation of earth? Perhaps created 157 years ago? Could we have missed the true meaning of the UFOs with FIB written on them.

 

The first of the fleet crashed in the ocean, note it said 1st. Could this be telling us that the UFOs are in fact real aliens from Earth? Perhaps not, but further DLC may be able to prove or debunk this.

 

Heres a fun theory,

Only a select few characters from the 3D GTAs have crossed universes so to speak,the most notable one we know is Cris Formage. The other ones that have crossed over seem to be mainly celebrities from the previous GTAs (Lazlow, Love Fist,Darius fontaine, BJ Smith, Mad Dogg, OG Loc, Jock Cranley, Candy Suxx, Kent Paul, (If Kent Paul Exists then so does Maccer maybe and he is definitely an Epsilonist.) there are some more I will try and remember them)

 

Perhaps they are all Epsilonists and are crossing paradigms? Pretty crazy idea but Rockstar where always pretty vague about the universes, Dan Houser in an interview referred to the likes of Tommy Vercetti as being "mythological" characters in the HD universe, like the Scarface of the HD GTA universe

 

-Edit-.

Here I found it

Dan says that no one before GTA IV will be in it – the move to HD created a schism in this fictional universe, rendering CJ, Tony and co, as mythical characters from a bygone era. But will we see stories from the previous game looping into this one? "I think that might be too mannered," says Houser. "Nico had a particular kind of story and we're trying to make this different. We might allude to things from that world, but we didn't want it to feel like, well, here's the opposite of an immigration story – we wanted a fresh take on what it means to be a criminal in this world of hyper-real Americana".

 

lazlow will always be around because he is the main producer of the music in all GTA's plus its his real name..

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

Who is to say that aliens would have to travel far at all? I mean isn't that a very 2d way of thinking? For example if you know anything about the hollow earth theory then you would know they could be here already(no need to travel). Also we have theories that touch upon things like cross dimensional travel etc where although existing on different plains 2 places could occupy the same space. Higher beings that are more advanced than us may have figured out a way in which to cross these plains and in the process travel between dimensions. We just don't know. Crikey it wasn't that long that scientists believe the earth was flat and that the sun revolves around the earth. many believed that because the scientists said so so it must have been true lol....

Edited February 6, 2014 by TrevorsStinkyFingers

[backfromthestorm]

Who is to say that aliens would have to travel far at all? I mean isn't that a very 2d way of thinking? For example if you know anything about the hollow earth theory then you would know they could be here already(no need to travel). Also we have theories that touch upon things like cross dimensional travel etc where although existing on different plains 2 places could occupy the same space. Higher beings that are more advanced than us may have figured out a way in which to cross these plains and in the process travel between dimensions. We just don't know. Crikey it wasn't that long that scientists believe the earth was flat and that the sun revolves around the earth. many believed that because the scientists said so so it must have been true lol....

 

 

That wasn't scientists that said those things, that was the Catholic churches geocentric viewpoint.. god made the earth, the earth is the centre of everything etc. Galileo was charged, 'tried' and put under house arrest for the rest of his days for daring to say the earth revolved around the sun. That's where the word 'revolution' comes from in the societal sense.. but yes, science isn't perfect, but it's the best tool we have for understanding a little of where we find ourselves.

 

Back on topic lol.

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

@backfromthestorm. Lol so nobody knows the truth. To solve something using logic is the same as guessing really. Don't get me wrong i wouldn't try and guess which was truth, creationism or evolutionism because without proof we cannot be sure.

 

Anyway enough of that. I am now going to put all my attention into deadman's cove and also the abduction thing. Hopefully we can try to move things along.

 

3 main areas we have for investigation which i feel have the most chance of producing something progressive are .

 

1. The hippy camp. Still so much unsolved/not understood. Connected to abduction reports and "Beam me up"?!?

 

2. Fort Zancudo. Are the lights and ufo all there is? Connection between the lights and the bunker but seems to just stop there. What are we missing?

 

3. Green light at Deadman's cove. A mystery as of yet. Unsure what can be done as far as investigating further? Possible link to altruist writings?.

 

4. Altruist camp. There has to be more to those writings all over the place and the cave too which is clearly sacrificial in nature.

 

When ever i am at a loss as what to do i always refer to one of the above as for me they all seem unfinished.

[neku_neku]

Could this be possible? This is a bit off topic. Rockstar stated the GTA5 universe and the Universe in SA were not the same. So, how is it OG LOC's name is on the walk of stars, and his record is on Franklin's wall?

 

i think it's just a quick reference @ easter egg made by rockstar.

okay how about this, gta sa and gta5(which in hd universe with gta4) have los santos, but both are different in universe, stated earlier by rockstar since gta4 was out.

it is not the same los santos.

yeah rockstar made that statement so we players didnt get confused with the story. (such as why CJ is not exists in gta5 or why toni is not exists in gta4)

Edited February 6, 2014 by neku_neku

[oSEVENo]

What I don't understand is the fact that the abductions only seem to take place while the wasted screen shows up. That makes it nearly impossible to record it because you'd have to film 24/7 straight. My idea is it to investigate this more structured like forming groups of users where everyone follows a specific list containing location, time, weekday, moon phase, character and so on. Because otherwise this will lead to a dead end, similar to my space docker horns thread because the horns (or in this case abductions) are ultra rare events. cheers

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

The horns were not rare though, i mean yes it takes quite a few attempts to produce one horn in particular but they are all there. For me i think the SD horn is parodying those old keyring toys with several buttons which made various alien or weapon sounds. Some of those things had second functions to the buttons to produce a different sound so you would get one sound and then by pressing the button again you would get another sound. If i remember correctly it would take many attempts to get the sound you wanted.

 

One other thing i was quite alive when i saw the abduction, no wasted screen for me. So it is not a "fact" that they all happen during wasted screen. I don't even recall MrEZ mentioning the wasted screen?

Edited February 6, 2014 by TrevorsStinkyFingers

[oSEVENo]

(...)

 

One other thing i was quite alive when i saw the abduction, no wasted screen for me.

Regarding the horns, sorry for going off topic for a second, I am not describing the one you are talking about. A lot of people didn't believe me until I uploaded the video and those horns are 100% special. It took me 3 weeks to reproduce them. Everyone told me they never heard them before. (check out my signature if you want)

 

back to topic: well that makes it even more interesting and we can debunk that the "wasted screen abductions" were only misinterpretations because of the blurry/colorless screen.

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

@oseveno. No we cannot debunk it at all. The poster above has used the words "Fact" and "all" without checking first. He is in fact wrong and so posting false information. Hope that is clear. Also do you have a sound clip of said horns? Or a video? If so what size is it? If not too big i will have a look.

[oSEVENo]

@oseveno. No we cannot debunk it at all. The poster above has used the words "Fact" and "all" without checking first. He is in fact wrong and so posting false information. Hope that is clear.

Yeah you're right. I will spend more time on the investigation of the abductions and I hope in a few days we have one recorded. But that only works when we all work together and stick to this topic right now. cheers (check your PM because of the horns) edit: and sorry for calling things a fact, my bad. I only remembered some people saying that they had the wasted screen during the abduction

Edited February 6, 2014 by oSEVENo

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

I agree working together is important. What you wish to investigate is entirely up to the individual though. It's very easy for things to get brushed aside and forgotten about when a knew line of investigation pops up. I try to multi task by switching between the four areas of investigation i posted on the last page while also following up on most of the leads i read read on here.

[backfromthestorm]

@backfromthestorm. Lol so nobody knows the truth. To solve something using logic is the same as guessing really. Don't get me wrong i wouldn't try and guess which was truth, creationism or evolutionism because without proof we cannot be sure.

 

 

We don't have to guess anything...

 

Quick answer - we know we're on the right track when we make predictions based upon our theories and they consistently come good.

 

 

Do we have any links to a folder of ALL the glyphs, altruist, chilliad etc? Has anyone put one together do you know?

Edited February 6, 2014 by backfromthestorm

[TrevorsStinkyFingers]

@backfromthestorm. And until it has come good it is still just an educated guess.

 

Regarding the info is it on the OP of V1 thread? Or on this one? We definitely had it all in the first thread. Or PM tadd, he'll know.

Edited February 6, 2014 by TrevorsStinkyFingers

[XMarqstheSpot]

 

 

Kifflom!

Yes, "Just as Kraff came back for us in this Paradigm, year 157".

 

The 157 is the only thing keeping me back from really going for this theory.

 

Freud/157, I think the Paradigm is the Psychological paradigm. Not so much a Physical Evolution/Paradigm as most were in the past but, an explosion of Intelligence and understanding of US.

 

Other than that, i could see us being Kraff, awakening the characters of the game, and them worshiping us.

 

that also throws a wrench in to my theory of it being a simulation of our Collective Subconscious.

 

So many possibilities, seems it was left wide open for us to translate.

 

 

 

 

Also, This... http://imgur.com/a/EIK8e

 

Does it illustrate the "Metaphor"?

Edited February 6, 2014 by XMarqstheSpot

[MrEZmoneymaker]

One other thing i was quite alive when i saw the abduction, no wasted screen for me. So it is not a "fact" that they all happen during wasted screen. I don't even recall MrEZ mentioning the wasted screen?

You are correct TSF i did not have the wasted screen either.

[i3uanw]

 

^ Lol, I jokingly posted in the other thread comparing the night-time Ron symbol (turned upside down) to Kali the four armed Hindu goddess, and then you go and post R* art of a four armed woman in a star constellation.

 

A co-incidence, nothing more I'm sure.

 

I didn't even notice the connection until you pointed it out. interesting.

 

 

you can get through the entire prologue in Yankton without killing a soul, according to the stats

 

I don't quite understand this statement. There is no way to avoid Trevor killing the guard in the North Yankton prologue.

 

Concerning a karma theory; if anything, I think each character's personality defines what type of gameplay is expected. I'm working on a playthrough where Michael and Franklin play as white knights, while with Trevor I play like the lunatic madman he is. Only 40% through, though, so no results to report yet. Interesting thread...

 

 

That's kind of what I'm saying. If you fail that section of the mission 3 times, you can skip it. IF you skip it, and also fail the next part and skip, you can begin Franklin's part with 0 kills total, but the cutscenes for the prologue don't change, the dialog doesn't change, nothing changes but the number of kills is 0.

 

you already have understood the "1807", think of alphabet

indicate the observatory center (arrow)

 

Kifflom!

 

You see those domes and you think Observatory, but it's not. At least I don't think it is. Please see this post for my interpretation of the first 2 eye Wallpapers. http://thechiliadmystery.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=30

 

hi im new to this forum ,

I find it very interesting what all of you have to say about this mistery .it sure is alot more enlightening than "honk the space docker at it, at three in the morning "

i find the picture in the link interesting the left hand of the eye is crossed symbolising a hand gesture commonly used to implore God for protection.

the hand on the right symbolises the holly trinity.

just wondered what your thoughts and interpritations of this is .if it is indeed linked to the game that is.

[XMarqstheSpot]

 

just wondered what your thoughts and interpritations of this is .if it is indeed linked to the game that is.

 

Welcome to the Forum!

 

I was not aware of the meanings behind these two hand gestures, thank you for sharing.

 

As for it being related to the game, The Power of 3, The Trinity, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

 

Anything to do with 3 can be linked to this game in some way, shape, or form it seems. who know's what is really connected though.

 

Only people who know are our Observers, The Creators, The Annunaki.

[Stipeyy]

A short question: if you stand on the sacrifice rock as trevor in the altruists camp do you hear a peculiar music?

And have you all cleared the camp?

Personally i have taken only 3 people and not cleared it - oh and the only time i've taken the 4th person (did not save) i've not experienced thunderstorm

[nextonex]

 

 

 

Also, This... http://imgur.com/a/EIK8e

 

Does it illustrate the "Metaphor"?

 

 

 

Most of it is still lost on me. There are 5 dishes, 4 facing the right way (or wrong way). I can see the 3 for the scientists and the FIB, and them protecting the science, or guarding it. I don't see the symbolism about the money or exercise. It's all open to interpretation anyway, so who's to say.

 

I'm not a highly educated fellow, Just a grumpy old guy who loves his family and plays video games, I wasn't expecting it to get this deep when I bought it lol, but I'm enjoying all of it.

[nextonex]

Sorry, 1 more thing I thought of the other day that I thought was funny and wanted to share.

 

When you are on a mission or during a hang out, you can't save the game, could that mean, that at that moment, we are UnSAVEable?

 

oh, and in a related note, I think at some point, we will be at the hippy camp staring at the word SAVE and we should save the game at that point.

 

I'm trying to get all my ideas out there, alot of them I have been keeping to myself, but since I have pretty much given up on solving this, I'm trying to get as much out there so maybe someone will find some use for it.

[TirkaneX]

Diamonds are found with quartz, we have a quartz quarry in game.....

 

I see the connection with Merryweather>quartz quarry, but about diamonds I have no idea

 

Stipeyy add :

"And also kortz center".

 

I don't understand the relationship with this sauerkraut.

 

I can be approximate sometimes, but this is downright gibberish.

 

Someone can make the connections?

[XMarqstheSpot]

 

Also, This... http://imgur.com/a/EIK8e

 

Does it illustrate the "Metaphor"?

 

 

 

Most of it is still lost on me. There are 5 dishes, 4 facing the right way (or wrong way). I can see the 3 for the scientists and the FIB, and them protecting the science, or guarding it. I don't see the symbolism about the money or exercise. It's all open to interpretation anyway, so who's to say.

 

Yeah, i probably need more pics to better illustrate, those are the ones i have to work with right now.

 

 

Power of 3.

 

3 Types of Power.

 

Mind, Rule, Physical.

 

Mind = Scientists.

Rule - FIB.

Physical = Workers.

 

3 of each type of "Power" show up to this scene at 10:00 game time.

 

The FIB(Rule) are Guarding/Protecting the Scientists(Mind) while the Physical(workers) don't care and are distracted by their cellphones.

 

 

Are the FIB protecting Intelligence from something OR Guarding the intelligence from us?

 

 

Knowledge is Power, right?

[Hondaslayer]

Tirkanex,

 

American pronunciation of both words can be similar depending on dialect.

 

Quartz (Kworts also Korts)

 

Kortz (Korts)

[TirkaneX]

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Edited February 13, 2014 by TirkaneX