Why didn't Franklin die in Ending C and get replaced by Lamar?

[Algonquin Assassin]

Funnily enough I just finished ending C. I'm glad Franklin doesn't die. I don't know, but I like the guy a lot more than I thought I would. Lamar is annoying IMO.

 

Besides at least one of the endings needed a somewhat happy and positive conclusion.

[rubix99]

I think the answer to this question is obvious.

Rockstar are continuing the single player GTA V story with DLC and want all 3 characters to return. So ending C is very likely going to be where the DLC continues on from....most likely it will be a complete seperate game file to the main game so you wont be carrying on from your actual completed game save file.

 

Rockstar did apparently say they originally planned no additional DLC to the game so I guess they did indeed plan to have Franklin die in ending C but most likely changed their minds in the final stages of game development.

Edited February 2, 2014 by rubix99

[Captain Arthur]

Besides at least one of the endings needed a somewhat happy and positive conclusion.

Yeah, something which IV's story didn't have.

 

Just kidding, if IV got a happy ending, it wouldn't have made sense, anyway.

 

So, back on topic.

 

Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced in Endings A and B so, why should Frank? Besides, Lamar didn't have enough backstory to become a protagonist.

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Besides at least one of the endings needed a somewhat happy and positive conclusion.

 

Yeah, something which IV's story didn't have.

 

Just kidding, if IV got a happy ending, it wouldn't have made sense, anyway.

 

So, back on topic.

 

Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced in Endings A and B so, why should Frank? Besides, Lamar didn't have enough backstory to become a protagonist.

 

Another complication is what would happen to Franklin's Strangers & Freaks tasks? In my current save he still has another base jump with Dom.

 

If this hypothetically occurred would they just disappear or would Lamar take them over?

 

The thing I hated in RDR is...

 

 

Jack took over everything of John's which included strangers tasks. It felt weird doing tasks started with John and finishing as Jack. Although R* had tried to explain with some characters mistaking Jack for John it still felt awkward.

 

[Captain Arthur]

Another complication is what would happen to Franklin's Strangers & Freaks tasks? In my current save he still has another base jump Dom.

If this hypothetically occurred would they just disappear or would Lamar take them over?

 

The thing I hated in RDR is...

 

 

Jack took over everything of John's which included strangers tasks. It felt weird doing tasks started with John and finishing as Jack. Although R* had tried to explain with some characters mistaking Jack for John it still felt awkward.

 

 

Well, since they did the same thing in RDR, I wouldn't doubt that they'd give Lamar Frank's S&F missions.

 

About the last part of your comment,

 

Yeah it felt weird doing that. Especially since the people don't seem to acknowledge that Jack isn't the same person who came and offered to help them.

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

Rockstar never planned on doing this, it's just an internet rumour which I'm yet to see any solid evidence (e.g. Code or sound files) to prove this.

 

Even if Rockstar did want to do this I'm glad they didn't. Lamar makes Yusuf Amir look like a great character.

[Elvis_Mazur]

Becuase Rockstar was sick of all the sad endings that all their recent games have.

[TheTechPoTaToCHIP]

 

Logical reasons why replacing Franklin with Lamar in ending C is impractical.

1. They would have to give him his own animations and assets (unless Franklin transfers over the mansion and all his cash to Lamar)

2. They would have to model each and every clothing option, every hair style, every tattoo to a character you only unlock in 1/3 of the endings. This isnt like Jack Marston where they could just reuse all of John's assets.

3. Lamar would have to have his own special ability as Franklin is a better driver than Lamar as he even references this in the mission "Chop" again, totally useless to program a special ability that would probably never be used.

4. He would also have to have new sound clips and voice clips, again pointless seeing as they would probably never be used.

5. And most importantly, if Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced when they died, why should Franklin?

I understand your argument, but one of the points of evidence as to why Lamar may have replaced Franklin after the ending is that Lamar has notably more animations and voice clips than the other non-playable characters. Modeling different clothing options wouldn't have been that big of a detail, as Trevor and Michael share plenty of the same clothing.

I'm hoping that because of the supposed data for a playable Lamar being left in the game, that we'll see modders make him playable shortly after the PC version is out. Rockstar may just do us a favor and make Lamar playable in a Franklin and Lamar DLC.

 

 

Because Franklin is the youngest of the trio and the least experienced, so he's naturally the POV character. In the other two endings, he lost a friend from his choices which would impact him in a different way. Michael's death was obviously the most painful for him because after doing so he realizes that he made a really stupid decision. Killing Trevor makes sense, but Trevor is still his friend.

Replacing him with Lamar would be a bad choice, honestly. Sure, Lamar is hilarious, but he's also a bumbling idiot with very little depth (well, he doesn't have enough depth to be a protag).

TL;DR, Franklin was the POV character and the key role in each ending.

I totally agree.

 

Lets look at it this way, the "Lamar has noticeably more animations and voice clips than any other npc" Until I see proof of that, I will call this BS fanfic. Even if it is true, the more logical reason why is because he has a somewhat large role in both SP and GTA Online so of-course he has more animations and voice clips.

[Cebra]

 

Logical reasons why replacing Franklin with Lamar in ending C is impractical.

1. They would have to give him his own animations and assets (unless Franklin transfers over the mansion and all his cash to Lamar)

2. They would have to model each and every clothing option, every hair style, every tattoo to a character you only unlock in 1/3 of the endings. This isnt like Jack Marston where they could just reuse all of John's assets.

3. Lamar would have to have his own special ability as Franklin is a better driver than Lamar as he even references this in the mission "Chop" again, totally useless to program a special ability that would probably never be used.

4. He would also have to have new sound clips and voice clips, again pointless seeing as they would probably never be used.

5. And most importantly, if Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced when they died, why should Franklin?

Modeling different clothing options wouldn't have been that big of a detail, as Trevor and Michael share plenty of the same clothing.

Are you sure? I haven't seen a single clothing item that they share in any of the stores.

 

OT: That didn't happen because Lamar was a complete dumbass. He was hilarious and with great voice work, but he was an idiot. After Lamar Down, he tells Franklin that it's his "duty" to save his ass every time he does something stupid and he purposely gets in to all those situations because that's what da hood is like. I don't want a protagonist like that.

[SamHBS]

It's just because Franklin is the main protagonist of GTA V.

[Aleph-Zero]

Lamar is too dumb to be a protag. In the whole story all he does is being dumb.

[Drifty1337]

Ok so apperantly franklin doesn''t die in the end, meaning someone else dies.

 

Glad to know that before the game has been released for us.

[sufferblind86]

They should've had an ending where Lamar replaces Franklin, Jimmy Replaces Michael and Wade replaces Trevor.

Someone please make a mock-up game cover of this!

[Schismatist]

 

 

Logical reasons why replacing Franklin with Lamar in ending C is impractical.

1. They would have to give him his own animations and assets (unless Franklin transfers over the mansion and all his cash to Lamar)

2. They would have to model each and every clothing option, every hair style, every tattoo to a character you only unlock in 1/3 of the endings. This isnt like Jack Marston where they could just reuse all of John's assets.

3. Lamar would have to have his own special ability as Franklin is a better driver than Lamar as he even references this in the mission "Chop" again, totally useless to program a special ability that would probably never be used.

4. He would also have to have new sound clips and voice clips, again pointless seeing as they would probably never be used.

5. And most importantly, if Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced when they died, why should Franklin?

I understand your argument, but one of the points of evidence as to why Lamar may have replaced Franklin after the ending is that Lamar has notably more animations and voice clips than the other non-playable characters. Modeling different clothing options wouldn't have been that big of a detail, as Trevor and Michael share plenty of the same clothing.

I'm hoping that because of the supposed data for a playable Lamar being left in the game, that we'll see modders make him playable shortly after the PC version is out. Rockstar may just do us a favor and make Lamar playable in a Franklin and Lamar DLC.

 

 

Because Franklin is the youngest of the trio and the least experienced, so he's naturally the POV character. In the other two endings, he lost a friend from his choices which would impact him in a different way. Michael's death was obviously the most painful for him because after doing so he realizes that he made a really stupid decision. Killing Trevor makes sense, but Trevor is still his friend.

Replacing him with Lamar would be a bad choice, honestly. Sure, Lamar is hilarious, but he's also a bumbling idiot with very little depth (well, he doesn't have enough depth to be a protag).

TL;DR, Franklin was the POV character and the key role in each ending.

I totally agree.

 

Lets look at it this way, the "Lamar has noticeably more animations and voice clips than any other npc" Until I see proof of that, I will call this BS fanfic. Even if it is true, the more logical reason why is because he has a somewhat large role in both SP and GTA Online so of-course he has more animations and voice clips.

 

I was under the impression that it was something that was confirmed to be true, I swear that I saw confirmation for it awhile ago, but I definitely could be wrong. I'd like to see the evidence for it I suppose. My mistake.

 

 

 

Logical reasons why replacing Franklin with Lamar in ending C is impractical.

1. They would have to give him his own animations and assets (unless Franklin transfers over the mansion and all his cash to Lamar)

2. They would have to model each and every clothing option, every hair style, every tattoo to a character you only unlock in 1/3 of the endings. This isnt like Jack Marston where they could just reuse all of John's assets.

3. Lamar would have to have his own special ability as Franklin is a better driver than Lamar as he even references this in the mission "Chop" again, totally useless to program a special ability that would probably never be used.

4. He would also have to have new sound clips and voice clips, again pointless seeing as they would probably never be used.

5. And most importantly, if Michael and Trevor didn't get replaced when they died, why should Franklin?

Modeling different clothing options wouldn't have been that big of a detail, as Trevor and Michael share plenty of the same clothing.

Are you sure? I haven't seen a single clothing item that they share in any of the stores.

 

OT: That didn't happen because Lamar was a complete dumbass. He was hilarious and with great voice work, but he was an idiot. After Lamar Down, he tells Franklin that it's his "duty" to save his ass every time he does something stupid and he purposely gets in to all those situations because that's what da hood is like. I don't want a protagonist like that.

 

The hoodies and shirts in Sub Urban, along with the suits in Ponsonbys. Plenty of their clothing items are at the very least similar. And yeah, Lamar is a dumbass, but I definitely like that about his character, the dynamic Franklin and Lamar have is a pretty hilarious one.

 

The only pro to having a playable Lamar would be his tomahawk that was passed down by the generations. When his special meter fills up the apache blood in him will kick in and he'll be able to throw his tomahawk at innocent bystanders.

Edited February 2, 2014 by Schismatist

[woggleman]

Because Lamar is an idiot who buys drywall until Trevor points it out to him.

[Claude4Catalina]

would have been cool if in Endings A and B, the tables could be turned depending on who you took the mission as; so if you turned up to the meeting point as Trevor or Michael, the chase could happen but T or M would get the upper hand, Trevor would still crash but in a fit of rage he'd blow Frank away before confronting Michael, who is seething but drops it, leaving the two of them where they were at the start of the game. or Mike could get the drop on Frank at the power station and hold him at gunpoint, giving the player the choice of executing Franklin or not; however Frank would turn around and try to finish the deed, only for Michael to shoot him, leaving Mike an emotion wreck.

[RaduG]

 

They should've had an ending where Lamar replaces Franklin, Jimmy Replaces Michael and Wade replaces Trevor.

Someone please make a mock-up game cover of this!

 

You mean like this?

 

 

 

[CJ killed Ryder]

Before V was released, I predicted that Franklin would survive.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/539907-why-franklin-will-probably-not-die/

Edited February 2, 2014 by CJ killed Ryder

[killahmatic]

he was pretty much useless once he moved into the mansion in Vinewood Hills and only showed up to help the protagonists out of their sticky situations.

 

I don't get why people say he was useless. You can decide how useful he is. Depends if you use him for heist setups or not. Plus as you said he helped out the protags, and was apart of the heists and car thefts. He's not my favorite character, but he definitely wasn't useless.

 

Besides, Lamar is a piece of sh*t. I wouldn't want to play as him.

[universetwisters]

 

he was pretty much useless once he moved into the mansion in Vinewood Hills and only showed up to help the protagonists out of their sticky situations.

 

I don't get why people say he was useless. You can decide how useful he is. Depends if you use him for heist setups or not. Plus as you said he helped out the protags, and was apart of the heists and car thefts. He's not my favorite character, but he definitely wasn't useless.

 

But does Franklin have his own stuff going on for him outside of helping Michael and Trevor out of their situations, like he did at the beginning of the game? Hell, Franklin could've been scrapped as a protagonist halfway through the game, seeing as you only need Michael and Trevor to advance the plot at that point.

[theNGclan]

 

 

he was pretty much useless once he moved into the mansion in Vinewood Hills and only showed up to help the protagonists out of their sticky situations.

 

I don't get why people say he was useless. You can decide how useful he is. Depends if you use him for heist setups or not. Plus as you said he helped out the protags, and was apart of the heists and car thefts. He's not my favorite character, but he definitely wasn't useless.

 

But does Franklin have his own stuff going on for him outside of helping Michael and Trevor out of their situations, like he did at the beginning of the game? Hell, Franklin could've been scrapped as a protagonist halfway through the game, seeing as you only need Michael and Trevor to advance the plot at that point.

 

Franklin sat back and watched for most of the game, considering how little he did. Like I stated before, he's the POV character. His only striking role is in the end.

[universetwisters]

 

 

 

he was pretty much useless once he moved into the mansion in Vinewood Hills and only showed up to help the protagonists out of their sticky situations.

 

I don't get why people say he was useless. You can decide how useful he is. Depends if you use him for heist setups or not. Plus as you said he helped out the protags, and was apart of the heists and car thefts. He's not my favorite character, but he definitely wasn't useless.

 

But does Franklin have his own stuff going on for him outside of helping Michael and Trevor out of their situations, like he did at the beginning of the game? Hell, Franklin could've been scrapped as a protagonist halfway through the game, seeing as you only need Michael and Trevor to advance the plot at that point.

 

Franklin sat back and watched for most of the game, considering how little he did. Like I stated before, he's the POV character. His only striking role is in the end.

 

Exactly. After he gets his mansion, the only pivotal point he plays in the game outside of heists is deciding which ending to take. Everything seemed fair and balanced up until then.

[im_stoned]

Lamar should have replaced Franklin throughout the whole game

 

Franklin f*cking sucks

The problem is dude theirs a lot and i mean a lot of racist gta fans out their. These people aren't hard to find just ask them why they hated san andreas and theirs always a racist undertone. It's sad but true.... Franklins just the safer option when it comes to pleasing these people. Have franklin talk down about the hood and gang life, make it his mission to be rich and forget about helping the people still living in poverty...... basically act like his above it all... that's what these little racists want.

 

I mean these mutherf*ckers are so ignorant they honestly believe the gangsters kill each other over the colours of their clothes it has nothing to do with drug dealing, prostitution, arms dealing ect no no it's because their'' black and stupid'' that's what these people believe. I'll say it one last time these people will never say '' toni only kills Yakuza because they don't wear suits'' i literally cant explain it any more perfect than that. Their mind state and mentality is f*cked their parents should of raised them to be tolerate......

 

Also to people saying lamar '' sucks'' what the f*ck did franklin do that was so great ? i mean seriously !? what was his highlight ? Lamar and Trevor's conversation during that mission where you drive the truck with the stolen cars out to paleto bay sh*tts on anything franklin did the entire game. That whole conversation was hilarious i'd say it was the funniest part of the game.

 

Lastly to people who believe rockstar propaganda go and watch the black mafia family documentary you'll notice they had a more successful drug ring then any mafia or crime family at that point in time but lets not let facts ruin a good story im sure they were all dumb and ignorant gangbangers right ? That's how they made 240 millions dollars...............

 

Edit: I was a little harsh but... you gotta look at franklins character from an entertainment point of view. Their was nothing entertaining about it after he gets his mansion but i do stand by my comments about certain fans being racist i honestly believe that. It's just something I've noticed

Edited February 3, 2014 by im_stoned

[theNGclan]

 

Lamar should have replaced Franklin throughout the whole game

 

Franklin f*cking sucks

The problem is dude theirs a lot and i mean a lot of racist gta fans out their. These people aren't hard to find just ask them why they hated san andreas and theirs always a racist undertone. It's sad but true.... Franklins just the safer option when it comes to pleasing these people. Have franklin talk down about the hood and gang life, make it his mission to be rich and forget about helping the people still living in poverty...... basically act like his above it all... that's what these little racists want.

 

I mean these mutherf*ckers are so ignorant they honestly believe the gangsters kill each other over the colours of their clothes it has nothing to do with drug dealing, prostitution, arms dealing ect no no it's because their'' black and stupid'' that's what these people believe. I'll say it one last time these people will never say '' toni only kills Yakuza because they don't wear suits'' i literally cant explain it any more perfect than that. Their mind state and mentality is f*cked their parents should of raised them to be tolerate......

 

Also to people saying lamar '' sucks'' what the f*ck did franklin do that was so great ? i mean seriously !? what was his highlight ? Lamar and Trevor's conversation during that mission where you drive the truck with the stolen cars out to paleto bay sh*tts on anything franklin did the entire game. That whole conversation was hilarious i'd say it was the funniest part of the game.

 

Lastly to people who believe rockstar propaganda go and watch the black mafia family documentary you'll notice they had a more successful drug ring then any mafia or crime family at that point in time but lets not let facts ruin a good story im sure they were all dumb and ignorant gangbangers right ? That's how they made 240 millions dollars...............

 

Edit: I was a little harsh but... you gotta look at franklins character from an entertainment point of view. Their was nothing entertaining about it after he gets his mansion but i do stand by my comments about certain fans being racist i honestly believe that. It's just something I've noticed

 

You know that blaming Franklin's lifestyle on racism makes absolutely no sense, right?

[DaltonVirago]

Also to people saying lamar '' sucks'' what the f*ck did franklin do that was so great ? i mean seriously !? what was his highlight ? Lamar and Trevor's conversation during that mission where you drive the truck with the stolen cars out to paleto bay sh*tts on anything franklin did the entire game. That whole conversation was hilarious i'd say it was the funniest part of the game.

 

 

 

 

He's not overtly stupid. Lamarr is a complete idiot, and I mean that in an IQ sense, he's f*cking DUMB. Franklin comes off with at least a modicum of intelligence. He's also level headed and rational, and not a f*cking loudmouth, all off which makes him infinitely more likeable than Lamarr.

[Fuzzknuckles]

They didn't go through with it because they realised it would be utterly awful to play as Lamar.

[Detective Phelps]

There should have been an ending D, where Franklin opens the door, then shoots a jogging Weston. Then Franklin attempts to assassinate Haines. Haines shoots Franklin.

 

M & T, forgetting their differences, see Franklin's sacrifice, and team up with Lamar (who is now playable, with a special ability which is the same as Franklin's), and each head to the same place as in C. A gunfight ensues. After the gunfight, Michael goes to kill the Chinese gangsters, and Lamar sets off to eliminate Haines. Trevor kills Stretch, and he re-takes Grove street so that CGF can be his business partners. After killing their targets, the trio head off to the FIB HQ, and there is an extensive gunfight. Eventually, both T and Lamar are trapped, so Mike has to go it alone. He reaches the helipad, and him and Haines have a fist fight to the death. The fight takes 10 minutes, and requires a lot of skill to complete. After M eliminates Haines, the game skips to a week later. Franklin has his funeral, and all of his friends and family are there, even those from the east coast.

 

Then the credits roll.

 

But we all know this will never happen.

[just-a-spaz]

Nice spoilers

[Jimbatron]

I remember my first play through, when the choice popped up, my initial reaction was, "oh crap, one of them is going to die, whatever I choose".

 

I picked C, thinking there was a high probability that Franklin, not because I liked him less, but it felt like he would take the risky option, but the right one. It kind of made the ending sweeter that he survived, which felt like the choice was rewarded.

 

It was a surprise because generally, R* don't do happy endings. I guess they value unpredictability more.

[universetwisters]

 

Lamar should have replaced Franklin throughout the whole game

 

Franklin f*cking sucks

The problem is dude theirs a lot and i mean a lot of racist gta fans out their. These people aren't hard to find just ask them why they hated san andreas and theirs always a racist undertone. It's sad but true.... Franklins just the safer option when it comes to pleasing these people. Have franklin talk down about the hood and gang life, make it his mission to be rich and forget about helping the people still living in poverty...... basically act like his above it all... that's what these little racists want.

 

I mean these mutherf*ckers are so ignorant they honestly believe the gangsters kill each other over the colours of their clothes it has nothing to do with drug dealing, prostitution, arms dealing ect no no it's because their'' black and stupid'' that's what these people believe. I'll say it one last time these people will never say '' toni only kills Yakuza because they don't wear suits'' i literally cant explain it any more perfect than that. Their mind state and mentality is f*cked their parents should of raised them to be tolerate......

 

Also to people saying lamar '' sucks'' what the f*ck did franklin do that was so great ? i mean seriously !? what was his highlight ? Lamar and Trevor's conversation during that mission where you drive the truck with the stolen cars out to paleto bay sh*tts on anything franklin did the entire game. That whole conversation was hilarious i'd say it was the funniest part of the game.

 

Lastly to people who believe rockstar propaganda go and watch the black mafia family documentary you'll notice they had a more successful drug ring then any mafia or crime family at that point in time but lets not let facts ruin a good story im sure they were all dumb and ignorant gangbangers right ? That's how they made 240 millions dollars...............

 

Edit: I was a little harsh but... you gotta look at franklins character from an entertainment point of view. Their was nothing entertaining about it after he gets his mansion but i do stand by my comments about certain fans being racist i honestly believe that. It's just something I've noticed

 

Have you ever pulled your head out of your ass and thought that just because somebody doesn't like a video game character that happens to be black, doesn't mean that they don't like African Americans as a whole?