Trevor was too over the top

[thatGuyyy]

 

 

I don't see why people dislike Trevor. He's everything a GTA protagonist should be.

 

he's everything a person shouldn't be, a piece of sh*t

 

One of my favorite things about GTA V is that instead of it causing controversy in the media, it caused controversy among the - "fans" - of the game. Especially with the whole Johnny thing too.

 

So congratulations. You're the desired reaction. Nice job on this really deep and difficult breakdown of the character. Really, you've outdone yourself OP. Give yourself a nice 'ol pat on the back and go drink some hot cocoa!

 

 

You're acting like I insulted your boyfriend. Just because I don't like a character, it doesn't mean I don't understand him. Sure he might be deep, had mommy issues blah blah blahh. I still don't give a sh*t, I didn't like him. There's no need to be a condescending bitch about it. You dense Trevor fanboys can't grasp the fact that not everyone likes your beloved character

Edited February 1, 2014 by thatGuyyy

[Billy Benedict]

what makes trevor ok, and gta v a cool-ass game, is that his storyline is like a black comedy. i laughed alot during his story because he is one crazy ass random dude. i thought he was good, but i also thought that he was over the top, until you hear micheal and dave talk about him in the mission where trevor interrogates the one guy. they are scared sh*tless, and those characters were serious and realistic,and it made sense they do not accept that behavior as normal, and comment on him.at that moment, i thought they succeed in making him weirdly believeable when characters thought he was a crazy mofo, and we see it as comedic, when those guys have to live in the same world as him.

[woggleman]

Why do people keep saying he's more complex than we think? I've played through GTA V 3 times and about to finish a 4th, but I don't see where these "complexity " claims are coming from. Complex in what way exactly?

 

GTA V fan: I didn't think Seth was over the top. Infact his character fitted in nicely with the dying west theme of RDR. He's no more over the top than say Eddie Low in GTA IV.

Because he is. He is not just some cartoon psycho. There is a method to his madness but because it isn't all dark and brooding like Niko was people don't want to really look at it.

[Captain Arthur]

it isn't all dark and brooding like Niko was.

 

Actually, replaying GTA IV, (Yes, SOL, I decided to replay it just for you) I found out that Niko wasn't "Dark and brooding". He's a positive person. It's just that the war angered him and he vowed to kill the person who betrayed him and his friends. These two things caused Niko to be angry. He might even be as positive as Roman, but he's just very angry so, it isn't very clear that he's positive.

[I Am NADA]

 

it isn't all dark and brooding like Niko was.

 

Actually, replaying GTA IV, (Yes, SOL, I decided to replay it just for you) I found out that Niko wasn't "Dark and brooding". He's a positive person. It's just that the war angered him and he vowed to kill the person who betrayed him and his friends. These two things caused Niko to be angry. He might even be as positive as Roman, but he's just very angry so, it isn't very clear that he's positive.

 

 

 

I have to agree with this. Despite all he's been through, Niko isn't nearly as cynical as he has a right to be. Sure, he's in LC for revenge, but he also feels he can make a better life for himself. "Life is complicated; I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Perhaps here, things will be different." He still has hope for a life that's something more than just killing whoever the person with the most money tells him to.

[cp1dell]

 

 

 

I don't see why people dislike Trevor. He's everything a GTA protagonist should be.

 

he's everything a person shouldn't be, a piece of sh*t

 

One of my favorite things about GTA V is that instead of it causing controversy in the media, it caused controversy among the - "fans" - of the game. Especially with the whole Johnny thing too.

 

So congratulations. You're the desired reaction. Nice job on this really deep and difficult breakdown of the character. Really, you've outdone yourself OP. Give yourself a nice 'ol pat on the back and go drink some hot cocoa!

 

 

You're acting like I insulted your boyfriend. Just because I don't like a character, it doesn't mean I don't understand him. Sure he might be deep, had mommy issues blah blah blahh. I still don't give a sh*t, I didn't like him. There's no need to be a condescending bitch about it. You dense Trevor fanboys can't grasp the fact that not everyone likes your beloved character

 

I should have made it more apparent that when I said "Nice job on this really deep and difficult breakdown of the character" I was being sarcastic.

 

Actually, with the context of the rest of the post it should be obvious. Hell, nowhere in there am I saying Trevor's character is deep - I'm referring to the "dissection" of the character you've made in your posts.

 

Trevor isn't deep. He isn't complicated. He's nothing compared to Niko or Michael.

 

I find it hilarious you're calling me a Trevor fanboy when all I've been saying is that he isn't too over the top. He isn't even my favorite character. But hey, I guess if resulting to insults and claiming everyone but you is being biased is the best you can do, that was a pretty top-notch reply. Right on man, keep up the good work. We're all very proud of you.

Edited February 1, 2014 by cp1dell

[Official General]

@General

 

You really do struggle to put something across without having to tip it off with a little cheap dig, huh?...it really does render your retorts void chief.

 

 

If you took that as a 'dig' then let me clarify that it was not such a thing. And it's nothing to do with our long-standing rivalry either. I was just a bit irked by what you stated in a genuine way.

[Captain Arthur]

 

And it's nothing to do with our long-standing rivalry either. I was just a bit irked by what you stated in a genuine way.

Why don't you two go see a therapist? He might be able to sort out this rivalry between you.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Gta_V_Fan_101

[Official General]

 

Why do people keep saying he's more complex than we think? I've played through GTA V 3 times and about to finish a 4th, but I don't see where these "complexity " claims are coming from. Complex in what way exactly?

 

GTA V fan: I didn't think Seth was over the top. Infact his character fitted in nicely with the dying west theme of RDR. He's no more over the top than say Eddie Low in GTA IV.

Because he is. He is not just some cartoon psycho. There is a method to his madness but because it isn't all dark and brooding like Niko was people don't want to really look at it.

 

 

@ woggleman

 

No. There was nothing complex about Trevor. Just a crazy, psychopath that was very violent and that's it. Ok, he has some strange relationship with his mother, and he cried tears because he could not be with the woman he wanted. Still don't make him deep or complex. You're just trying to paint a more sophisticated image to his character, when it's just not there.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Official General

[Captain Arthur]

 

@ woggleman

 

No. There was nothing complex about Trevor. Just a crazy, psychopath that was very violent and that's it. Ok, he has some strange relationship with his mother, and he cried tears because he could not be with the woman he wanted. Still don't make him deep or complex.

 

Maybe this is why you hate him so much. Did you read DM's post that I quoted about their relationship?

 

I think Michael and Trevor were handled beautifully.

 

Here's how I see it:

 

Trevor represents childhood. Trevor is selfish, like a child. He'll throw a hissy fit when he doesn't get what he wants. He loves living in an endless adventure, robbing banks being his, even to the point where it becomes a fantasy; he doesn't understand that if he keeps doing it, he will die. Just one little thing going wrong and all of the crew is dead. But it's a game to him. He's also very loyal to his friends, especially to his best friend. Don't know about any of you guys, but when I was a kid, my best friend always got picked on, and I'd always come to defend him. I got into a few fights because of him lol Trevor would defend Michael to the death, and even when he says he hates him and when he knows what he's done to him, he always knows he'll love him, and wouldn't be able to take the shot when the time came.

 

Michael represents adulthood. He has responsibilities. He has a wife and kids to look after. He can't live in the fantasy world with his best friend anymore; he has something to lose now. When we're young, we're prone to not give a sh*t; we go from job to job if we don't like the one before. But once you have people who depend on you, you just suck it up and deal with it; you can't live that life anymore, because you have kids who would starve if you're not there earning money. Michael wanted to go back to the fantasy with Trevor, but he knew he couldn't anymore because he had a family: "I wanna be a good dad, love my family... live the dream. But at the same time, I really want the other stuff too."

 

It's not that he doesn't love Trevor, it's that he knows that Trevor never grew up. He knows Trevor will get him killed eventually. He knows that Trevor is selfish and violent, and he's not willing to take a chance and jeopardize his family's safety and well-being. As much as it pains him, his gut reaction is that he needs to put him down, because Trevor is too loyal to let him go. Trevor's like the family dog who's grown ravenous towards everyone over the years except for the family, especially not towards the father who's had him longer -- what would your gut be telling you to do with the dog if you had impressionable, naive kids? My sister had a dog like this -- he was loyal to the end to my brother-in-law, but he was very aggressive to everyone except him and the family; but once he started to bark at my nephew, my brother-in-law went to put him down; he took him to animal control and held him through the whole thing. He f*ckin' cried, a grown man.

 

So in a way, I think they both appeal to us in a very intimate level. We can side with Trevor because the little kid inside of us who's loyal to the end is still there. But we can side with Michael because we've grown up. We know that's not how the world works anymore.

 

Edited February 1, 2014 by Gta_V_Fan_101

[Official General]

 

Trevor represents childhood. Trevor is selfish, like a child. He'll throw a hissy fit when he doesn't get what he wants. He loves living in an endless adventure, robbing banks being his, even to the point where it becomes a fantasy; he doesn't understand that if he keeps doing it, he will die. Just one little thing going wrong and all of the crew is dead. But it's a game to him. He's also very loyal to his friends, especially to his best friend. Don't know about any of you guys, but when I was a kid, my best friend always got picked on, and I'd always come to defend him. I got into a few fights because of him lol Trevor would defend Michael to the death, and even when he says he hates him and when he knows what he's done to him, he always knows he'll love him, and wouldn't be able to take the shot when the time came.

 

@ Gta_V_Fan_101

 

I read it. Sorry still can't see anything deep or complex about that. Anyone can take something and analyze it as deep as they want to and say it's this or that. No I just don't see it with Trevor.

[thatGuyyy]

I should have made it more apparent that when I said "Nice job on this really deep and difficult breakdown of the character" I was being sarcastic.

 

Actually, with the context of the rest of the post it should be obvious. Hell, nowhere in there am I saying Trevor's character is deep - I'm referring to the "dissection" of the character you've made in your posts.

 

Trevor isn't deep. He isn't complicated. He's nothing compared to Niko or Michael.

 

I find it hilarious you're calling me a Trevor fanboy when all I've been saying is that he isn't too over the top. He isn't even my favorite character. But hey, I guess if resulting to insults and claiming everyone but you is being biased is the best you can do, that was a pretty top-notch reply. Right on man, keep up the good work. We're all very proud of you.

 

 

You either have no idea on how to get your point across or you're just back tracking because you have no argument at this point. Either way its pretty pathetic

[I Am NADA]

@ Gta_V_Fan_101

 

 

I read it. Sorry still can't see anything deep or complex about that. Anyone can take something and analyze it as deep as they want to and say it's this or that. No I just don't see it with Trevor.

 

 

 

Ok, please, analyze the character of Ronald McDonald in as deep a manner as he did Trevor. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

You can't see it because you're stubbornly hanging on to your hatred of Trevor and refusing to see him as anything more than what you've already decided he is.

[thatGuyyy]

 

@ Gta_V_Fan_101

 

 

I read it. Sorry still can't see anything deep or complex about that. Anyone can take something and analyze it as deep as they want to and say it's this or that. No I just don't see it with Trevor.

 

 

 

Ok, please, analyze the character of Ronald McDonald in as deep a manner as he did Trevor. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

You can't see it because you're stubbornly hanging on to your hatred of Trevor and refusing to see him as anything more than what you've already decided he is.

 

 

You're reading more into the character than R* did

[I Am NADA]

 

 

@ Gta_V_Fan_101

 

 

I read it. Sorry still can't see anything deep or complex about that. Anyone can take something and analyze it as deep as they want to and say it's this or that. No I just don't see it with Trevor.

 

 

 

Ok, please, analyze the character of Ronald McDonald in as deep a manner as he did Trevor. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

You can't see it because you're stubbornly hanging on to your hatred of Trevor and refusing to see him as anything more than what you've already decided he is.

 

 

You're reading more into the character than R* did

 

 

 

No, I'm not. I didn't post that long dissection of him and Michael, that was someone else. I just thought it was well thought out and valid. Moreso than people just repeating "Trevor isn't complex", verbatim and ad nauseam.

 

Also, how on earth could you know what Rockstar's view on Trevor's character is?

[thatGuyyy]

 

No, I'm not. I didn't post that long dissection of him and Michael, that was someone else. I just thought it was well thought out and valid. Moreso than people just repeating "Trevor isn't complex", verbatim and ad nauseam.

 

Also, how on earth could you know what Rockstar's view on Trevor's character is?

 

 

I can ask you the same question

[I Am NADA]

 

 

No, I'm not. I didn't post that long dissection of him and Michael, that was someone else. I just thought it was well thought out and valid. Moreso than people just repeating "Trevor isn't complex", verbatim and ad nauseam.

 

Also, how on earth could you know what Rockstar's view on Trevor's character is?

 

 

I can ask you the same question

 

Uh, no you can't, because I never claimed my view of Trevor is the true view that Rockstar intended.

[thatGuyyy]

 

 

 

No, I'm not. I didn't post that long dissection of him and Michael, that was someone else. I just thought it was well thought out and valid. Moreso than people just repeating "Trevor isn't complex", verbatim and ad nauseam.

 

Also, how on earth could you know what Rockstar's view on Trevor's character is?

 

 

I can ask you the same question

 

Uh, no you can't, because I never claimed my view of Trevor is the true view that Rockstar intended.

 

 

Its already implied that everything said in this thread is an opinion

 

Do you want me to put "IMO" before everything I post so you get the picture?

[Hobs]

if he was toned down, he would be trevor!

[Xerukal]

I read it. Sorry still can't see anything deep or complex about that. Anyone can take something and analyze it as deep as they want to and say it's this or that. No I just don't see it with Trevor.

 

Then I'm sorry to report that you seem to be extremely close-minded about the situation with Trevor. Maybe if you realized that not everyone wants to over-analyze a character to make him seem important or more than he is, you'd know that there's a reason so many people admire his complexity and what he represents.

 

You just don't see it. That's kind of too bad, I guess. But you seem to be bias anyway, so whatever.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Xerukal

[Alec Skorpio]

Disagree entirely. Steven Ogg played Trevor amazingly, and he was also written amazingly well.

 

The only time he even comes close to being "over the top" is when he is first introduced in Mr. Phillips, other than that it's actually a very nuanced performance.

If people think this is over the top, they haven't seen many people try to actually play a convincing psychopath. They tend to just ham it up for the sake of it.

 

Also, the people that hate Trevor just because he's "a piece of sh*t" are probably the most laughable GTA fans. They tend to appear to be the same people who think that Micheal is a good guy, and Franklin is just a dumb gang banger.

Edited February 1, 2014 by liquidussnake119

[I Am NADA]

Its already implied that everything said in this thread is an opinion

 

Do you want me to put "IMO" before everything I post so you get the picture?

 

 

No, when you say "you're reading more into Trevor than Rockstar did", YOU are implying you know how rockstar wanted Trevor to be and my view of him is factually incorrect. That statement does not have an implied "in my opinion" behind it. And, as such, the quoted response is a cheap cop out.

 

Everything in this thread is opinion? Ok, humans are carbon based lifeforms. Of course, that's not a fact, that's just my opinion.

Edited February 1, 2014 by I Am NADA

[thatGuyyy]

 

Its already implied that everything said in this thread is an opinion

 

Do you want me to put "IMO" before everything I post so you get the picture?

 

 

No, when you say "you're reading more into Trevor than Rockstar did", YOU are implying you know how rockstar wanted Trevor to be and my view of him is factually incorrect. That statement does not have an implied "in my opinion" behind it. And, as such, the quoted response is a cheap cop out.

 

Everything in this thread is opinion? Ok, humans are carbon based lifeforms. Of course, that's not a fact, that's just my opinion.

 

 

I stopped caring so I'll just let you keep on raging

Disagree entirely. Steven Ogg played Trevor amazingly, and he was also written amazingly well.

 

The only time he even comes close to being "over the top" is when he is first introduced in Mr. Phillips, other than that it's actually a very nuanced performance.

 

If people think this is over the top, they haven't seen many people try to actually play a convincing psychopath. They tend to just ham it up for the sake of it.

 

Also, the people that hate Trevor just because he's "a piece of sh*t" are probably the most laughable GTA fans. They tend to appear to be the same people who think that Micheal is a good guy, and Franklin is just a dumb gang banger.

 

So people having different opinions than you are laughable? f*ck kid, you need to stop posting. Maybe take Trevors dick out of your mouth while you're at it

Edited February 1, 2014 by thatGuyyy

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

Why do people keep saying he's more complex than we think? I've played through GTA V 3 times and about to finish a 4th, but I don't see where these "complexity " claims are coming from. Complex in what way exactly?

GTA V fan: I didn't think Seth was over the top. Infact his character fitted in nicely with the dying west theme of RDR. He's no more over the top than say Eddie Low in GTA IV.

 

Because he is. He is not just some cartoon psycho. There is a method to his madness but because it isn't all dark and brooding like Niko was people don't want to really look at it.

To be honest I doubt when R* were creating his character they aiming for "complexity". Sure he's not as 1 dimensional as say Tommy, but I think people are giving his character too much credit.

 

His whole backstory is chopped up into pieces throughout the game. He just doesn't strike me as a complex character.

 

Comparing him to Niko is apples to oranges.

[I Am NADA]

I stopped caring so I'll just let you keep on raging

 

 

 

 

So people having different opinions than you are laughable? f*ck kid, you need to stop posting. Maybe take Trevors dick out of your mouth while you're at it

 

Hahaha, first, nothing I said implied anything close to "rage". Second, the whole "I stopped caring, but I need to reply so you KNOW I stopped caring" reply is just another pathetic cop out. Third, what a hypocrite. If anyone is "raging", it's you, "kid".

Comparing him to Niko is apples to oranges.

 

True. Niko is way duller.

[chainsoar]

Trevor is "too over the top"? Does no one remember Seth from Red Dead Redemption?

 

"Oh I lost it all, partner...my wife, my children, my business...good riddance, I say. I don't eat, I don't sleep, I don't wash, and I don't care!"

[Algonquin Assassin]

Nope. Niko is an amazing protagonist. I'm the last person you want to try and convince otherwise.

[I Am NADA]

Nope. Niko is an amazing protagonist. I'm the last person you want to try and convince otherwise.

 

Who said I was trying to convince you? If you really like him, good for you, it just means you enjoyed GTAIV all the more. That said, he's not an "amazing" protagonist if we're talking every conceivable story-telling medium. Maybe for a video game, but that's as far as that goes.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Who said I was talking about every conceivable story-telling medium? I just don't agree he's dull and like I said comparing Trevor to Niko is apples to oranges.

 

I love Niko, but I hate Trevor. No more to it really. I'd be more favourable of Trevor if he was a supporting character rather than a protagonist. At least I wouldn't have to put up with him screaming at the top of his lungs at somebody weaker than him one moment than listening to him moan about how no one gives a f*ck about him the next.

[I Am NADA]

Who said I was talking about every conceivable story-telling medium? I just don't agree he's dull and like I said comparing Trevor to Niko is apples to oranges.

 

 

I'm not saying you did, but you only said "protagonist" and not "video game" protagonist, so I couldn't be sure if you meant he was an amazing "video game SPECIFIC" protagonist or not. "Protagonist" is a pretty broad term after all. For a video game, I guess I'd have to agree he's pretty high up there. I'd still prefer the Arkham series version of Batman, or Cole Phelps and Jack Kelso from L.A. Noire, or Wei Shen from Sleeping Dogs, or Max Payne. But there's no way ANY of those characters can live up to the likes of Roland Deschain from "The Dark Tower", or Marv from "Sin City", or Proinsias Cassidy from "Preacher" or The Man With No Name from "The Dollars Trilogy" or Wikus Van De Merwe from "District 9". That's all I meant by that. Video games, Niko's one of the top dogs. All story-telling mediums, not even close.