Is it wrong to kill players who are using shops?

[watchclock]

 

 

I don't use auto aim so how would that issue ever arise?

 

For a guy who likes to seem intelligent by using a plethora of vocabulary, everything goes right through you.

Well Socrates, the thing about auto aim is that it's mutual.

 

Lets see if you can guess what that means....

[StewNorth]

 

 

 

 

The swag is too strong !

[Biohazard Abyss]

Well Socrates, the thing about auto aim is that it's mutual.

Lets see if you can guess what that means....

 

 

No, it's not.

 

Auto-aim lobbies are a lot different than free-aim, and combat is handled differently as well. The whole behaviors of the separate player-bases are a lot different.

 

Auto-aim player =/= Free-aim player

 

Yet

 

Auto-aim K/D = Free-aim K/D

[watchclock]

 

 

Well Socrates, the thing about auto aim is that it's mutual.

Lets see if you can guess what that means....

 

No, it's not.

 

Auto-aim lobbies are a lot different than free-aim, and combat is handled differently as well. The whole behaviors of the separate player-bases are a lot different.

 

Auto-aim player =/= Free-aim player

 

Yet

 

Auto-aim K/D = Free-aim K/D

I got that part...

 

What you find with auto aim is that they have a different skill set, but their K/d doesn't suddenly get higher. What increases is the number of times they get killed AS WELL as the number of times they kill others. Because of these higher stats an auto aim player will be less likely to have a high k/d ratio (because it's a ratio and because of power/law distributions). But they are also likely to be sh*t at free aim, so their low k/d won't dupe me.

 

To clarify: auto aim is a skill leveller - and skill levellers trend k/d toward 0

 

I should qualify this by also saying that auto-aim sessions probably have a greater variation in player skill than free aim (utter noobs / young kids and lazy predators) which will reduce the levelling effect a bit but not enough to nullify it. It is just too easy to get killed in auto aim by people who have little skill

Edited January 28, 2014 by watchclock

[Furry_Monkey]

How about we stay on topic and use an existing thread to discuss the irrelevant KD ratio?

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/672218-kd-is-it-really-that-important/

[Sir Michael]

Lol, killing somebody in a store is kind of a dick move...

If you can't kill somebody in a straight gunfight, then you deserve to get spawn-killed.

I haven't run into somebody like this in free-aim yet, so I guess this a Tradition GTA thing. Lol

[watchclock]

Lol, killing somebody in a store is kind of a dick move...

 

If you can't kill somebody in a straight gunfight, then you deserve to get spawn-killed.

 

I haven't run into somebody like this in free-aim yet, so I guess this a Tradition GTA thing. Lol

No

[Furry_Monkey]

Lol, killing somebody in a store is kind of a dick move...

 

If you can't kill somebody in a straight gunfight, then you deserve to get spawn-killed.

 

I haven't run into somebody like this in free-aim yet, so I guess this a Tradition GTA thing. Lol

 

I think it's just a "person gaming online" thing, to be honest. I'll bet you that a lot of the people that have posted in this thread at how they'd never do it have actually done it. There was someone who posted in this thread that he's never run a player down in his car. What???

 

Anyway, no-one's saying that they "need" to kill people who are shopping so the suggestion that they "can't kill somebody in a straight gunfight" has nothing to do with the subject. That's not part of the question. If you can't kill someone in a gunfight then you either don't care or spend most of your time in non-public sessions.

[hvcciookay]

I've never done because it's pointless and causes more problems. Now instead of going to sell a car or meet up with some friends, i have this revenge crazed individual pissed because i screwed up his Christmas shopping.

 

That and why. They never provoked me, so what's the point. I don't understand why people need to mess with others minding their business. Especially when this one guy decided to drive all the way up to Paletto Bay to try to kill me for whatever reason while i'm shopping. Luckily i pause every 20ish seconds to watch approaching people and saw him coming up. Went 4-0 and left via helicopter and he went the other way.

[Artful.]

There is no right and wrong as I see it, after all, it is just a game and it's not like it will drastically affect them. But it is a dick move and that can't be refuted. Shooting another player when they are defenseless is just a massive dick move.

[SkunkonToast]

 

i check players k/d ratio, it's a useful stat. together with their rank and skills, it can tell you a lot about a player. if the k/d is low, they're probably 'friendly' players, who don't want to fight you. if it's very high, they're probably into tanks (and possibly cheating). if it's somewhere inbetween, they probably enjoy death matches and free roam fighting in general. in which case, these are the players who (like me) won't mind if you kill them without warning in free roam, but will instead see it as an invitation to a fight. which i personally enjoy...

 

Every kill on any player in GTA is an invitation to fight, regardless of their K/D. Not once have I seen someone get killed and go passive mode immediately afterwards, unless it was by tank.

You've never come across me in a lobby then. I don't rise to other players in freeroam. I never shoot on sight I will only kill other players if they have a bounty and if some fool wants to kill me for no reason I'll just ignore them and go about my bussiness. If I want some player vs player action I'll do a deathmatch. Freeroam for me is all about boosting cars, robbing shops, impromtude races and finding other friendly players to mess about with. You'd be surprised by how many other dudes are less hostile if you don't shoot on sight.

[Biohazard Abyss]

You've never come across me in a lobby then. I don't rise to other players in freeroam. I never shoot on sight I will only kill other players if they have a bounty and if some fool wants to kill me for no reason I'll just ignore them and go about my bussiness. If I want some player vs player action I'll do a deathmatch. Freeroam for me is all about boosting cars, robbing shops, impromtude races and finding other friendly players to mess about with. You'd be surprised by how many other dudes are less hostile if you don't shoot on sight.

 

 

I don't shoot on sight. I'm just saying out of what I witnessed, and how I react to someone who's killed me.

 

Nothing like destroying them and thinking

 

"Who's laughing now?!"

 

[ThaUglyCupcake]

ethics lol

[JovarVarenheit]

Anyone that condons this behavior of killing senselessly in a free roam game rather it is free-aim or auto-aim needs to re-check their skills. How about you go into deathmatch game when you want to kill someone so everyone around is alert and on the same objective as you. Killing people minding their own bussiness is doing nothing for you but proving you are a coward that can't fight people that are actually also after the same objective. "Killing you too". Also about passive mode. Yes it help to protect yourself in stores now and then, but it is flawed. I've seen several times people that go on a random deathmatch in free mode and once they get owned they run into it like a pussy instead of finishing what they started. I am above rank 70 and own a tank, but I maintain a return fire policy. Which includes if I see someone go after people not bothering anyone I will assist them. Also the way I feel about passive mode is since it is flawed they should remove it until they find a way to secure it's use. If it is used to be a pussy after a random deathmatching kid is owned I always stay on top of them and get a friend in a fire truck to kill them. People tend to hate being owned when they are helpless after being the ones starting the deathmatching. Irony is involved here highly. Moral to this story is if you want to deathmatch go into that game mode and do it with people with the same objective as stated above. Also one more fact conclusion. Killing in free roam earn absolutely "nothing" unless it is done to a bounty. Otherwise you earn nothing and get penalized for blowing up people's cars with the exception of a tank seeing as rockstar disabled them from getting warned or charged for blowing up people's cars.

Edited January 28, 2014 by JovarVarenheit

[codename_duchess]

Killing shoppers is like stealing a blind disabled kid's lunch money. How you can actually take pride in doing it is beyond me.

Somewhat OTT reaction but i see what you're saying

[sexboxlive]

Killing in free roam earn absolutely "nothing" unless it is done to a bounty

 

Wrong. You get achievements, unlocks etc for kills with certain weapons

 

I don't prefer the fast pace of deathmatch, and in my opinion, random gun fights in the street and drivebys are for people who can't read or spell their own name

 

Anyone who gets killed in a shop needs to recheck their radar. And you sound like a sook, telling anyone to re-check their skills because you got surprised trying to get a haircut. Perhaps you should re evaluate your surroundings and priorities online and adapt to predators rather than cry

 

Your notions of honor or respect in Los Santos are misguided, and your white hat and spurs jangling make you an easier target. If you don't like being shot, don't be careless. 1 on 1 deathmatches are for emotional players that obsess with revenge (read: weak). You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

My conclusion, this thread is an argument between predators and prey. Glad I could contribute

[codename_duchess]

Over a day later and this thread is still going. Seems like this a touchy subject for a few people. Like a bad uncle lol

[SkunkonToast]

 

I don't shoot on sight. I'm just saying out of what I witnessed, and how I react to someone who's killed me.

 

Nothing like destroying them and thinking

 

"Who's laughing now?!"

 

If only I was good enough to engage others and end up thinking that. For me the internal monologue would be more like " For f*cks sake Oli why did you have to fight back now you'll be hounded be this fool for the next 15 mins, Next time just walk away"

especially with my measly 0.6 K/D ratio. Lol.

 

 

Oh and off topic, Abyss im loving the Ally Sheedy pics, I was so hot for her when The Breakfast Club came out back in the day. That and short circuit. Prob one of my first teenage crush's along with Jenifer Connelly and Phoebe Cates.

[Snake Without a Tongue]

I rememnber when online just started I went to buy some candy and some numbnut tried to kill me. There was suddenly major lag and I managed to park my car on top of him. I never made that mistake again.

 

 

It's a dick move, but online is a dick-fest, so...

[JovarVarenheit]

 

Killing in free roam earn absolutely "nothing" unless it is done to a bounty

 

Wrong. You get achievements, unlocks etc for kills with certain weapons

 

I don't prefer the fast pace of deathmatch, and in my opinion, random gun fights in the street and drivebys are for people who can't read or spell their own name

 

Anyone who gets killed in a shop needs to recheck their radar. And you sound like a sook, telling anyone to re-check their skills because you got surprised trying to get a haircut. Perhaps you should re evaluate your surroundings and priorities online and adapt to predators rather than cry

 

Your notions of honor or respect in Los Santos are misguided, and your white hat and spurs jangling make you an easier target. If you don't like being shot, don't be careless. 1 on 1 deathmatches are for emotional players that obsess with revenge (read: weak). You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

My conclusion, this thread is an argument between predators and prey. Glad I could contribute

 

So in other words you can't keep up with the pace of deathmatching? That the exact point I just made. You have to do it in free mode where people have other stuff they would rather do. I actually had a palmface moment reading your little attempt at some poetry. In other words you can't handle deathmatching when everyone is also afteryou. You fit the section of my description as someone who runs into passive mode once I own you in free roam in which since I will give you one chance to back down before I would stay on you with a tank with a friend in a fire truck until you run to your mom because I stand up for people you go after that can't defend themselves.

 

Something I left out in my first post. I come to realize the people also in free roam deathmatching randoms are the same people that can't handle Battlefield or even Call of Duty for that much so you try to deathmatch somewhere that appears to have a hiding place for you "passive mode" but get showed you can't hide as I pointed out it is flawed. The one part of your arguement I noticed you avoided was about passive mode. Meaning you are one that runs to it after you fail when people like me show up in a game and use your own tactics against you.

 

And that comment like I'm the one getting a haircut. You are mistaken. I'm the one coming through killing you while you are waiting to kill someone who is getting a haircut. The point is fight someone that is also coming after you, not people actually doing their own thing.

Edited January 28, 2014 by JovarVarenheit

[SAUL_SILVER]

It's a dick move unless there's Chrome Adder outside it.

[Mr. Rocko]

Dick move.

[engern]

I've been killed in stores to many times. Now I kill anyone I find in a store.

[PaulDPearl]

 

Dick move. Real hard to kill a guy standing there buying something

 

Exactly

 

 

From what I've seen - GTA is designed for people with no skill. From AA to this OP - there is almost zero skill involved in GTA... This is why I avoid strangers (invite only sessions) when ever I have more than a couple friends online... and lately, when no one's online, I mission solo... Lately I've found that you can't do missions with strangers either, as 2 out of 3 times, strangers just spoil the mission by blowing up the object needed or by standing idle after I die.. etc.

 

But this may not be "wrong" but it is a dick/bitch move which takes no thought or skill to perform.

[sexboxlive]

 

 

Killing in free roam earn absolutely "nothing" unless it is done to a bounty

 

Wrong. You get achievements, unlocks etc for kills with certain weapons

 

I don't prefer the fast pace of deathmatch, and in my opinion, random gun fights in the street and drivebys are for people who can't read or spell their own name

 

Anyone who gets killed in a shop needs to recheck their radar. And you sound like a sook, telling anyone to re-check their skills because you got surprised trying to get a haircut. Perhaps you should re evaluate your surroundings and priorities online and adapt to predators rather than cry

 

Your notions of honor or respect in Los Santos are misguided, and your white hat and spurs jangling make you an easier target. If you don't like being shot, don't be careless. 1 on 1 deathmatches are for emotional players that obsess with revenge (read: weak). You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

My conclusion, this thread is an argument between predators and prey. Glad I could contribute

 

So in other words you can't keep up with the pace of deathmatching? That the exact point I just made. You have to do it in free mode where people have other stuff they would rather do. I actually had a palmface moment reading your little attempt at some poetry. In other words you can't handle deathmatching when everyone is also afteryou. You fit the section of my description as someone who runs into passive mode once I own you in free roam in which since I will give you one chance to back down before I would stay on you with a tank with a friend in a fire truck until you run to your mom because I stand up for people you go after that can't defend themselves.

 

Something I left out in my first post. I come to realize the people also in free roam deathmatching randoms are the same people that can't handle Battlefield or even Call of Duty for that much so you try to deathmatch somewhere that appears to have a hiding place for you "passive mode" but get showed you can't hide as I pointed out it is flawed. The one part of your arguement I noticed you avoided was about passive mode. Meaning you are one that runs to it after you fail when people like me show up in a game and use your own tactics against you.

 

And that comment like I'm the one getting a haircut. You are mistaken. I'm the one coming through killing you while you are waiting to kill someone who is getting a haircut. The point is fight someone that is also coming after you, not people actually doing their own thing.

 

 

Didn't read.

 

Your emotions are showing

[JovarVarenheit]

@sexboxlive My work is done with you anyways. Seem I struck a nerve seeing as you have no explantions left for my post and you are just trying to make a small post with a big quote to make it seem like you have something detailed to say. Which also points you as a tryhard.

 

@PaulDPearl That pretty much what I just said about random deathmatchers in free mode. Good to see someone who has common sense.

[NYC PATROL]

Two ways this goes down for me to avoid people who do this:

 

1. I look around on the map and choose the store that is the farthest from other players.

 

2. I go into a solo or invite only session and take as much time as I need.

 

And OT: Yeah it's a cheap shot.

Edited January 28, 2014 by NYC PATROL

[watchclock]

 

 

Killing in free roam earn absolutely "nothing" unless it is done to a bounty

Wrong. You get achievements, unlocks etc for kills with certain weapons

 

I don't prefer the fast pace of deathmatch, and in my opinion, random gun fights in the street and drivebys are for people who can't read or spell their own name

 

Anyone who gets killed in a shop needs to recheck their radar. And you sound like a sook, telling anyone to re-check their skills because you got surprised trying to get a haircut. Perhaps you should re evaluate your surroundings and priorities online and adapt to predators rather than cry

 

Your notions of honor or respect in Los Santos are misguided, and your white hat and spurs jangling make you an easier target. If you don't like being shot, don't be careless. 1 on 1 deathmatches are for emotional players that obsess with revenge (read: weak). You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

My conclusion, this thread is an argument between predators and prey. Glad I could contribute

"My conclusion, this thread is an argument between predators and prey." - absolutely Edited January 28, 2014 by watchclock

[Biohazard Abyss]

You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

 

You're comparing an animal killing to survive, to some dude bothering a dude in a video game.

[Coin]

 

You could argue that a Cheetah stalking a Gazelle who is just minding his business is a "coward" for being sneaky. But I can't think of any good predator that doesn't use stealth and or suprise

 

 

You're comparing an animal killing to survive, to some dude bothering a dude in a video game.

 

 

Yeah, it's a pretty legit comparison.

 

"Need to kill this dude in the shop, so I don't starve..." wut, lol.

Edited January 28, 2014 by Insert-Coin-To-Continue