Kingdome Come: Deliverance

[Dryspace]

@Fireman

 

I am talking about a game being finished, not whether or not a player can finish the game. You're not honestly suggesting that, as long as a game can be completed, it's 'finished'--even if there are no textures, the subtitles must be enabled because the speech hasn't been added yet, and the sound effects--from weapons to footsteps--are the lead programmer saying 'Pew pew! Pew pew!"?

 

 

 

one can hardly get angry because a game simply isn't one's cup of tea.

That's funny. I see the otherwise a lot.

 

 

That's true. I didn't mean that it's an impossible feat; I meant it as in "One can hardly dial 911 just because McDonald's didn't get one's order right." Even though at least one person has done exactly that.

 

 

For myself, I would never release an unfinished game. You can't undo something like that.

Yea of course you can say that as long as you are willing to invest in your own production, then produce, market, and publish it by yourself.

 

Yes, of course....the Junior Level Designer doesn't normally get to decide those things. If it were up to me, I would never release an unfinished game--crap happens, yes, but releasing unfinished should be the absolute last resort after all the cash is gone and every personal sacrifice has been made.

 

It's not actually necessary to market and publish oneself, though--one can pay another company to do that. All that matters is that one maintains control. Selling out to a publisher would be one way to lose that control.

[Fireman]

@Fireman

 

I am talking about a game being finished, not whether or not a player can finish the game. You're not honestly suggesting that, as long as a game can be completed, it's 'finished'--even if there are no textures, the subtitles must be enabled because the speech hasn't been added yet, and the sound effects--from weapons to footsteps--are the lead programmer saying 'Pew pew! Pew pew!"?

 

But those are actual parts of the game missing. I would call that unfinished as well. That doesn't seem to be the case for this game, atleast I never ran into anything missing. I do not miss any promised features for example (and promises don't really mean anything).

 

There are just a lot of softlocks.

Edited March 2, 2018 by Fireman

[Dryspace]

@Fireman

 

It's just my understanding that this game was released not with sundry minor bugs that can easily slip through testing, but many serious issues that bespeak a game whose development isn't yet complete. After all, if it were, there would be no patches forthcoming, and purchasers certainly wouldn't be waiting for any--they'd be playing the game. I've taken cookies out of the oven before they were finished. They're edible...but still unfinished.

 

As I said though, it's my understanding--I haven't experienced the game myself (yet), so I suppose it's possible that my information is inaccurate. What I do know, though, is that the Steam rating has been steadily declining day by day--from 77.82% positive on 2-14-18 to 74.63% as of 0930 MST today. Since it seemed to me that the negative reviews were focused mostly on technical issues, I would suspect those issues are the reason for the decline.

Edited March 2, 2018 by Dryspace

[Themanwiththeplan]

I bought this game on day of release, really was enjoying it but I encountered that many bugs that made me have to quit the game and boot it back up again and as a result of the save system I had lost an hour or 2 of play time. So I have shelved it for now, going to wait until some more of the bugs are ironed out before I give it a proper playthrough as I feel that playing through it in its current state would ruin the story and experience for me. Really looking forward to playing through it that being said.

[LucioM]

Day 1 was really bad. It's still buggy as hell but they did fix some of the stuff since then. I didn't finish the game yet either. I just don't understand why they didn't take time to do that in the first place.

Edited April 26, 2020 by LucioM

[Dryspace]

Speaking of GOG, does anyone know for certain about possible differences between the version available via GOG and Steam or other DRM systems?

 

I have purchased many games from GOG, but mostly all older games. I have heard that new releases have had differences, or have not had patches that the DRM-linked versions have received.

 

Which if true is ridiculous. Either sell a game via GOG or not. Even charge extra if you want to. But to provide something different or deliberately withhold patches without making the situation clear is not nice. Not nice at all.

[Dryspace]

Question: Is every bit of woodland that is visible in the world map navigable? A considerable portion of the game world is unbroken forest, thus if so, these would have to be the largest wooded areas in an open-world game, unless I am overestimating the size of the world.

 

Well...Just Cause 2 occurs to me now, but....I'm not sure...

[Fireman]

Everything that is visible is navigable, but the edges are not exactly where the map ends (you get "I need to return to the objective" message before you hit the edge of the map).

 

It won't take you hours to go through by horse though, I think one side to the other could be maybe half an hour by horse? Just guessing.

[Fireman]

 

[feckyerlife]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance patch 1.3 is here, promises 'over 300' quest fixes

 

Link to the Steam page

 

Kingdom Come: Deliverance says stretch goal DLC is still coming (update)

the playable female character makes no sense to me.

[Static]

the playable female character makes no sense to me.

 

Why? It's just one quest line where you switch to her to save Henry near the start of the game.

[Dryspace]

@Static

 

Because how do you know a character is female? Isn't that offensively presumptive, that a person is male or female just because of a certain name or external characteristics?

[Static]

@Static

 

Because how do you know a character is female? Isn't that offensively presumptive, that a person is male or female just because of a certain name or external characteristics?

 

I know the character is female because the stretch goal was "playable female character".

[Dryspace]

That's exactly my point.

 

What if some group demanded a playable atheist? The only way one would even be able to know that the character was an atheist is if he were told, or if the character made it a point to let everyone know.

 

So what's the point?

Edited March 13, 2018 by Dryspace

[Static]

That's exactly my point.

 

What if some group demanded a playable atheist? The only way one would even be able to know that the character was an atheist is if he were told, or if the character made it a point to let everyone know.

 

So what's the point?

 

 

The point is that the company set it as a stretch goal, one which they achieved, so the the donators/consumer(aka the people who funded this game) have a right to "demand" it, even though I dont really recall anyone doing so. And if the devs weren't willing to include that or weren't able to for whatever reason, in shouldn't have been made into a goal with a monetary value attached to it. In fact, I've read more negatives comments about it's addition to the game and even the discussion of said addition, than ones demanding for it's inclusion tbh. I also seen more negative comments about the lack of the dog companion as opposed to the female pc, so take that for what it's worth. Also, just to indulge you and your asinine tongue-in-cheek, faux-pc point, since everyone tries to paint this game as "the most historical game ever", in 15th century Bohemia, I believe sex was determined by your outward appearance i.e., which genatalia you did or didnt have, so with that in mind Warhorse seemingly designed Henry (which I think everyone agrees is a male) and the game/story from a male POV. With that being said, I believe the player would be able to tell that the non-Henry female character was in fact female, without needing to be directly told so.

[chronic lumbago]

That's exactly my point.

 

What if some group demanded a playable atheist? The only way one would even be able to know that the character was an atheist is if he were told, or if the character made it a point to let everyone know.

 

So what's the point?

I think that a playable atheist DLC character wouldn't just randomly state he's an atheist and that's it. It would serve as a major plot point. Being atheist is kind of a big deal in the middle ages. The character could be an exile from far lands or hunted by the church/mercenaries hired by the church.

 

Idk what's wrong with stating that the DLC character will be a woman either. Would it also be a problem if they said that he's male?

 

But I haven't played the game yet and am waiting for more bug fixes. I'm temped though. I'm a very forgiving person when it comes to bugs and lack of polish in games so I won't necessarily wait till it's fully patched or a complete edition. I liked everything that I've seen so far. It's right up my alley.

 

I can't tolerate quest breaking bugs though.

Edited March 13, 2018 by fashion

[feckyerlife]

 

the playable female character makes no sense to me.

 

Why? It's just one quest line where you switch to her to save Henry near the start of the game.

 

Im under the impression that the female character will be a DLC story, or am i wrong? if its one quest thats fine, but if its a story it would make no sense due to how times were in the 1400s

 

That's exactly my point.

 

What if some group demanded a playable atheist? The only way one would even be able to know that the character was an atheist is if he were told, or if the character made it a point to let everyone know.

 

So what's the point?

I think that a playable atheist DLC character wouldn't just randomly state he's an atheist and that's it. It would serve as a major plot point. Being atheist is kind of a big deal in the middle ages. The character could be an exile from far lands or hunted by the church/mercenaries hired by the church.

 

Idk what's wrong with stating that the DLC character will be a woman either. Would it also be a problem if they said that he's male?

 

But I haven't played the game yet and am waiting for more bug fixes. I'm temped though. I'm a very forgiving person when it comes to bugs and lack of polish in games so I won't necessarily wait till it's fully patched or a complete edition. I liked everything that I've seen so far. It's right up my alley.

 

I can't tolerate quest breaking bugs though.

 

they fixed a vast majority of bugs (ps4) with the last update.

Edited March 13, 2018 by feckyerlife

[feckyerlife]

 

the playable female character makes no sense to me.

Stretch goals

We get a lot of questions about being able to play as a female. Our original story was built around a male character, a young blacksmith, and we cannot simply change it. However, we would like to offer this opportunity in another way. If we can raise £600,000 we shall add a line of quests into our game where you can play as a young woman that saves the lead character in the beginning of the game. She's smart, courageous and good at stealth.

 

ohhhh. i never saw their stretch goals, makes sense

[NeonDolphin]

Go play Venetica if you want a female.

[Dryspace]

@Static

 

What I am saying is that I believe--based on reality--that this was not the original desire or intention of the developers, and that the only reason they decided to do so was as a result of specific appeal or general pressure. If I appeared to imply that I know for a fact that people demanded it, I apologize, though that may have been the case. I haven't bothered to find out.

 

"The point is that the company set it as a stretch goal, one which they achieved, so the the donators/consumer(aka the people who funded this game) have a right to "demand" it, even though I dont really recall anyone doing so."

 

That's not what I meant. I know you don't really believe that I think it "doesn't make sense" that a stated stretch goal is not fulfilled. If you'll forgive a bit of absurdity, I would have said the same thing about a playable Bag of Shredded Cheese stretch goal.

 

"And if the devs weren't willing to include that or weren't able to for whatever reason, in shouldn't have been made into a goal with a monetary value attached to it."

 

Of course, absolutely. But did the devs say that they weren't willing or able to include it? If that's the issue here, I didn't know about it. But also I ask honestly: Have you actually heard anyone assert that any stated stretch goal on any game should not be delivered? If so, I'm not sure what rationale the person would be using.

 

"In fact, I've read more negatives comments about it's addition to the game and even the discussion of said addition, than ones demanding for it's inclusion tbh."

 

If you say that, I'm not going to doubt you. But that doesn't mean there weren't as many or more appeals or demands to the developer. Forum reactions and developer communications are different.

 

"Also, just to indulge you and your asinine tongue-in-cheek, faux-pc point"

 

Really? When you disagree with someone, it's not necessary to be rude. No offense taken, though.

 

"since everyone tries to paint this game as "the most historical game ever"

 

I'm certain it's not true that everyone paints the game that way. I certainly haven't said that.

 

"With that being said, I believe the player would be able to tell that the non-Henry female character was in fact female, without needing to be directly told so."

 

The player could presume, yes. And furthermore, it was obviously possible for a woman to pass as a man or vice versa; if it weren't there wouldn't have been laws prohibiting it. I don't necessarily mean in Bohemia specifically. It may be--I'd have to research it.

Edited March 14, 2018 by Dryspace

[chronic lumbago]

@feckyerlife: the patch hasn't released yet from what I've heard. Console version is still at 1.25 and the big patch that fixes over 300 quest bugs is being certified now.

 

I think I'll buy it next week or so.

[feckyerlife]

@feckyerlife: the patch hasn't released yet from what I've heard. Console version is still at 1.25 and the big patch that fixes over 300 quest bugs is being certified now.

 

I think I'll buy it next week or so.

oh i saw mine update on sunday i thought it was for 1.3.. when you do buy it, once the world becomes "open" you can go and get overpowered weapons and armor for free, but they still will have their limits

[Dryspace]

oh i saw mine update on sunday i thought it was for 1.3.. when you do buy it, once the world becomes "open" you can go and get overpowered weapons and armor for free, but they still will have their limits

 

 

 

I'm interested in what you mean about getting overpowered weapons and armor for free? Is this gameplay or is it a glitch or exploit you refer to?

 

P.S. I had mentioned last week, either on Steam or GTA Forums, that I had decided to buy this game when I understand it to be free of serious and quest-related bugs, but when I saw someone post that the dev had included in the latest patch a visual downgrade, I was so annoyed I reversed my decision to not wait for a bargain on the spot--assuming that his information was correct.

 

I posted an explanation of why, for performance reasons, allowing the customer to decrease settings further is acceptable, and disallowing him from increasing settings is absolutely not.

 

I also opined whether, if it is true, it is a silly temporary decision in order to minimize refunds & negative feedback by forcing higher performance.

 

Can anyone confirm that this is true, and if so, to what degree visual quality/realism was affected (if indeed it was limited to visual aspects)?

Edited March 15, 2018 by Dryspace

[Static]

I'm interested in what you mean about getting overpowered weapons and armor for free? Is this gameplay or is it a glitch or exploit you refer to?

 

 

 

IIRC, some chest have pre-order/day one items, such as various Warhorse armors and/or gear.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Static

[Coin]

The pre-order stuff is 4 treasure maps leading to chests IIRC. I wouldn't say the gear is necessarily OP but more of a shortcut to getting some armor that isn't complete sh*t. Two deserting soldiers killed me wearing a suit of it lol

[feckyerlife]

 

oh i saw mine update on sunday i thought it was for 1.3.. when you do buy it, once the world becomes "open" you can go and get overpowered weapons and armor for free, but they still will have their limits

 

 

 

I'm interested in what you mean about getting overpowered weapons and armor for free? Is this gameplay or is it a glitch or exploit you refer to?

 

 

 

 

in the game if your follow the road that goes from rattay to neuhof, once you pass neuhof (heading North East) the road will merge with a road thats coming from an Inn to the east, right pass the merger on the left is an abandoned camp with an unlocked chest, inside the chest has full armour and weapons all are high level that you can use right off the bat. The sword in the chest is one of the strongest in the game, i think has a rating of 75.

 

Edited March 15, 2018 by feckyerlife

[Dryspace]

Alright thanks, Static, Coin, and feckyerlife.

 

 

Can anyone confirm that there was or wasn't a visual downgrade included in a patch?

[Dryspace]

@Am Shaegar

 

I actually found the post; it's in the comments of this review. Here is a copy of the post:

 

Odins_Mercy Mar 10 @ 9:15pm

Couldnt agree more. patch 1.3.1 they downgraded the visuals and added MORE bugs. I 100 percent regret the number one rule....no pre orders, wait for reviews

I bookmarked the new article you posted. I really enjoyed the other one at Eurogamer.

Edited March 16, 2018 by Dryspace

[Dryspace]

That's what I wanted to know. In that case, I won't wait for the bargain bin, but only when I am satisfied that quests work and serious bugs are resolved!

 

Can I ask another question? Let me explain first that I investigate games, but I actually don't like to look at games before I play them. I like to go in as blind as possible about story and character-related aspects, which are communicated partially through visuals, and I also like to leave the chance open to be impressed by the technological achievements.

 

Another review stated that he couldn't hit 60 fps on 'Very High' with his 6700K and 980 Ti, and that the 'High' setting runs at 50 - 94 fps, but with "very average" graphics--that the graphics of Bannerlord are "night and day" better.

 

I told him that there is no legitimate expectation that the highest setting of any game run at anything but a playable framerate (and really not even that) because settings are arbitrarily decided and have different performance requirements between games--they are not industry standardized.

 

About the 'High' setting though: Does his speech issueth from his rectum when he claims that there is a major difference between 'High' and 'Very High'? Because if so, it would seem that the game may not yet be well-coded and -optimized.

 

This be the review I speak of

[Coin]

Took a break for a while to let some more patches drop, but have since picked it up again. Fought Runt in Baptism of Fire and goddamn, he whooped my ass over and over. Think it took me at least 10 tries to best him.