Kingdome Come: Deliverance

[HaRdSTyLe_83]

Saw this game on PSN and saw this thread here. So I came to look for some screenshots or something. Found an issue instead. lel.

 

So I read the tweets in previous page. I understand the guy was probably already tired of that sh*t. But he could have made one of his answer below to end that and copy-paste it on every same questions for a period of time and ignore any more of the question after that.

 

"would you please explain to me what's so racist about telling the truth? There were no black people in medieval Bohemia. Period."

 

Maybe he could refine it as: "We are trying to capture the essence of medieval Bohemia and there were no black people there at that period time."

 

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Oh he also said "...ask Chinese developers...". Did he mean Japanese? lel

 

millennials and their need to be offended about something in life

[feckyerlife]

I never liked this idea of lockpicking in RPG games. Better have keys to every locked chest or item and hide it somewhere in the game world for the players to figure it out by exploring the map with the help of certain clues or hints cleverly spead throughout the campaign either via books, NPCs, and stuff like that.

I prefer having keys than the silly lockpicking mechanic, or even better let the players break those chests, doors, or whatever, with the help of various weapons the players carry. It's even more ridiculous to find that the chest is unbreakable even for a powerful sword..mehhh

technically you don't have to lock pick at all in this game as far as i can tell. just go rob the person who owns the chest which is how i been getting by in the game, but its probably cost me 40 days in jail.

Edited February 21, 2018 by feckyerlife

[Dryspace]

I think Am Shaegar's viewpoint makes sense. I don't know the history of lockpicking in computer RPGs, or even if it has a foundation in pen and paper, but I assume that it was an attempt to accomodate the 'burglar' archetype.

 

When I think about it though, it does seem to trivialize the role of burglar by simply having a ring of 100 identical lockpicks. Better for the burglar to earn his share by successfully stealing the key to the chest.

[Rykjeklut]

I was looking forward to reading some opinions on the gameplay/combat and such...good job guys....NOT!

that aside, given the game sparks "controversy" I might have to see what the fuzz is about

It's good,and sometimes real f*cking hard,play it.

[Journey_95]

 

I was looking forward to reading some opinions on the gameplay/combat and such...good job guys....NOT!

that aside, given the game sparks "controversy" I might have to see what the fuzz is about

It's good,and sometimes real f*cking hard,play it.

 

How is the story? Always very important for me in a RPG game.

[Dryspace]

"RPG game"? What's that--a Rocket-Propelled Grenade game?

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Rykjeklut]

 

 

I was looking forward to reading some opinions on the gameplay/combat and such...good job guys....NOT!

that aside, given the game sparks "controversy" I might have to see what the fuzz is about

It's good,and sometimes real f*cking hard,play it.

 

How is the story? Always very important for me in a RPG game.

Somewhat basic, in terms of that there's a revenge story, and also maybe some love. But it works, there's bigger games out there with much worse stories.

 

Bear in mind I've only got about 40 hours in it, and no idea how far I've actually progressed.

[OnceAgainYoungFitzpatrick]

1 million copies sold so far and new patch coming next week.

[feckyerlife]

 

 

I was looking forward to reading some opinions on the gameplay/combat and such...good job guys....NOT!

that aside, given the game sparks "controversy" I might have to see what the fuzz is about

It's good,and sometimes real f*cking hard,play it.

 

How is the story? Always very important for me in a RPG game.

 

I would say its structured similar too witcher 3.the side quest in this game def have the witcher 3 vibe, as in they are their own story, but some are based off whats going on in the main story though, the last quest i finished was at [spoiler[the Sasau Monastery where you gotta help a bunch of injured people that came from the battle of your original city, then you gotta deal with the prick boss of the monastery after.

. The best part of it too me seems like, each quest has multiple endings and outcomes. I already want to start the game over because a couple of quest i did ended one way, then come to found out later in the game that it could've gone a different way.

 

 

 

I was looking forward to reading some opinions on the gameplay/combat and such...good job guys....NOT!

that aside, given the game sparks "controversy" I might have to see what the fuzz is about

It's good,and sometimes real f*cking hard,play it.

 

How is the story? Always very important for me in a RPG game.

Somewhat basic, in terms of that there's a revenge story, and also maybe some love. But it works, there's bigger games out there with much worse stories.

 

Bear in mind I've only got about 40 hours in it, and no idea how far I've actually progressed.

 

im 38 hours in and i just checked last night too see how far i am in the main quest line (drunk preacher) and looks like that is almost half way? maybe a 3rd of the way. no idea how this game could be beat in 50 hours? you would literally have to skip and rush through everything.

[Dryspace]

The article that Am Shaegar linked just made my month. It's like it came from some far away and strange civilization where AAA PC development was never sacrificed to the gods of greed.

 

Eurogamer? Bookmarked.

[chronic lumbago]

Has anyone finished it yet?

 

Can you still play after the credits roll?

 

Are there still things to do after the credits roll?

[Dryspace]

I am currently developing a game (Waan & Dunn: Enough is Enough) that can never be played again after the credits roll. As of now, it is fingerprint-based, but eventually it will be linked to DNA.

 

The game is not able to be exited until after the credits roll. If one force-quits, powers down, or pulls the plug before the credits have begun or completed, the game continues from the same point upon relaunching. The only options are to allow the credits to roll and never play the game again, or just never play the game again.

 

EDIT: I wasn't making fun of you, fashion--just being an idiot.

Edited February 27, 2018 by Dryspace

[chronic lumbago]

That's obviously not how I meant it.

 

Some games put you right before the final mission after the credits roll, as if nothing happened.

 

Some games kick your ass back to the title screen, letting you start a new game.

 

Can you keep on playing on your main save after the last mission? Does it put you back to before the last mission? Or are you forced to start a new game?

[feckyerlife]

has anyone come close to beating the game yet? the save system makes it hard to progress far in one sitting.

[OnceAgainYoungFitzpatrick]

According to HowLongToBeat, the game takes about 40 hours to complete if you're only focusing on the main story.
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=21697

[Fireman]

With the current bugs in missions it takes more like 60 hours since you have to redo 5 hours pretty much every 10 hours you play.

[Dryspace]

"...it takes more like 60 hours since you have to redo 5 hours pretty much every 10 hours you play."

 

I am not asking rhetorically: Even accounting for exaggeration, why would one play a game in that state? With the hundreds of wonderful and worthwhile games released over the decades, and thousands more that are decent to great; considering the plethora of activities that life in general has to offer--why would one compromise the enjoyment of an experience rather than waiting for a game to be completed--not perfected, but completed?

[OnceAgainYoungFitzpatrick]

That's my plan at least. I won't be touching this game for months/possibly years until they release the last patch/DLC and the game is at its final state. I waited around 2 years to play The Witcher 3 until the last patch was released and the DLC was completed, it was worth the wait as I pretty much didn't experience any major bugs or glitches. I can do the same for this game as well. Despite me owning it since day 1.

 

Which is why I don't understand why people subject themselves to playing games that desperately needs a few patches to fix major issues. It's like you're trying to be disappointed.

[Dryspace]

...and they don't pay less for the compromised experience, they pay most.

[feckyerlife]

With the current bugs in missions it takes more like 60 hours since you have to redo 5 hours pretty much every 10 hours you play.

don't forget jail. Ive 70 days in jail in this game which probably equals an hour irl.

Edited February 28, 2018 by feckyerlife

[feckyerlife]

"...it takes more like 60 hours since you have to redo 5 hours pretty much every 10 hours you play."

 

I am not asking rhetorically: Even accounting for exaggeration, why would one play a game in that state? With the hundreds of wonderful and worthwhile games released over the decades, and thousands more that are decent to great; considering the plethora of activities that life in general has to offer--why would one compromise the enjoyment of an experience rather than waiting for a game to be completed--not perfected, but completed?

 

ask Warhorse, thats how they wanted the save system to be. I have found myself replying a couple hours because i got killed and thought the game had saved at some point which it didnt. I look at that as my fault though, i could've just drank a saviour schnapps and save the game at a certain point (which i do now). I don't mind the save system, honestly people cried about it too much (i know Warhorse is going to fix it). But once i found out that you can craft saviour schnapps i didnt see what the fuss was about. I know people were mad cause if you buy one from a trader they cost like $1000, but you literally can craft them for free or next to nothing. Now i have 20 bottles of saviour schnapps that i leave at the millers trunk in Rattay.

Edited February 28, 2018 by feckyerlife

[DexMacLeod]

Yeah, forgetting to save has burned me several times. It's easy enough to just find a bed and sleep but my brain is so hard wired to assume the game has done it for me I often don't even think about it. I can't really blame the game for that at all.

[Dryspace]

Fireman stated bugs as the reason, so by "why would one play a game in that state", I was referring to a game with a significant amount of not inconsequential problems, which is where the game seemed to be right now according to feedback I have read. I wasn't referring to the save system, or anything that is by design, but only games that aren't complete--one can hardly get angry because a game simply isn't one's cup of tea.

 

As of a few days ago, a number of things had convinced me to purchase Kingdom's Come: Deliverance, but there is no way I would do so at this point, not least of all because there is no way I would play it at this point.

Edited March 1, 2018 by Dryspace

[DexMacLeod]

Fireman stated bugs as the reason, so by "why would one play a game in that state", I was referring to a game with a significant amount of not inconsequential problems, which is where the game seemed to be right now according to feedback I have read. I wasn't referring to the save system, or anything that is by design, but only games that aren't complete--one can hardly get angry because a game simply isn't one's cup of tea.

 

As of a few days ago, a number of things had convinced me to purchase Kingdom's Come: Deliverance, but there is no way I would do so at this point, not least of all because there is no way I would play it at this point.

I can only vouch for the Xbox but I've been playing since day one (around a hundred hours) without any significant bugs. Certainly no crashes or anything that would negate hours of work.

[Dryspace]

That's not surprising, DexMacLeod, because Microsoft and Sony require a game to be functional in order to pass certification. Unfortunately, in today's digital industry there are many publishers and developers who do not release a functional product for the PC simply because no one forced them to.

[feckyerlife]

Fireman stated bugs as the reason, so by "why would one play a game in that state", I was referring to a game with a significant amount of not inconsequential problems, which is where the game seemed to be right now according to feedback I have read. I wasn't referring to the save system, or anything that is by design, but only games that aren't complete--one can hardly get angry because a game simply isn't one's cup of tea.

 

As of a few days ago, a number of things had convinced me to purchase Kingdom's Come: Deliverance, but there is no way I would do so at this point, not least of all because there is no way I would play it at this point.

This is a good article about why the game is the way it is. They wanted to spend more time on polish, but February was when the least amount of games were coming out and gave them the best chance for sales.

 

https://www.vg247.com/2018/02/26/kingdom-come-deliverance-wish-time-polish-game-release/

 

I was reading this gamespot article, and it mentions about the change to the current saving system that could likely be introduced in the patch

Developer Warhorse Studios seem to be backpedaling on it a bit in an upcoming patch by letting you save when you quit, which is a decent compromise

 

i feel like they are catering to the lazy on that. you can spend 20 mins craft up 20bottles of save snappes and be good for a couple weeks on saves

Edited March 1, 2018 by feckyerlife

[OnceAgainYoungFitzpatrick]

Yeah, except the save issue is pretty much the number one complaint, so if they don't address it and fix it, then the game will continue to get bad PR.

[Dryspace]

I would think that the PC release not functioning properly would generate more negative PR than the save system.

 

At any rate, if the developer really has sold over a million copies thus far, then after subtracting the Steam/retailer cut, I imagine they are already making a profit, in which case bad PR wouldn't be as critical as it otherwise might.

 

For myself, I would never release an unfinished game. You can't undo something like that.

[Fireman]

Where did the unfinished game thing come from? I mean, the game is factually finished, you can finish it, if you're lucky. It has an end, which you can reach.

 

It's definitely ridden with bugs that sometimes softlock the Main Quest, but the Main Quest is finished from what I've heard from my friends who did finish the game (I was the only one that ran into THE main quest breaking bug apparantely (out of 5), though they did run into a lot of sidequest breaking bugs).

Edited March 2, 2018 by Fireman

[luisniko]

one can hardly get angry because a game simply isn't one's cup of tea.

That's funny. I see the otherwise a lot.

 

 

For myself, I would never release an unfinished game. You can't undo something like that.

Yea of course you can say that as long as you are willing to invest in your own production, then produce, market, and publish it by yourself.