£30 for only 3m are you taking the piss R*

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM, said:

 

Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:

Take off your tin foil hat and lay off the meth.

 

 

see that wasn't so hard now was it.

whole sentences and everything XD

 

anyway, I think we just have to agree to disagree on the fact that cash cards have influenced these nerfs and in fact the whole design of the game

you say there's absolutely no correlation at all, to which I would have to say why have cashcards at all if you're not going to take them into account in the rest of the game design?

 

or are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

 

 

Correlation and causation are different things. Way to try and sound intelligent. Now why not talk about sucking dicks some more?

 

 

they are indeed but that does not refute anything I just said

so untill you can come up with any actual arguments go suck some more R* dick!

 

 

Omg. So dumb. Correlation proves nothing, causation, however, does. If you can prove causation, cool, go you. But so far you've proved absolutely f*cking zilch.

[Zwenkwiel]

Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:56 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:56 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:56 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:53 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:53 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:53 PM, said:

 

Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM, said:

 

Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:

Take off your tin foil hat and lay off the meth.

 

 

see that wasn't so hard now was it.

whole sentences and everything XD

 

anyway, I think we just have to agree to disagree on the fact that cash cards have influenced these nerfs and in fact the whole design of the game

you say there's absolutely no correlation at all, to which I would have to say why have cashcards at all if you're not going to take them into account in the rest of the game design?

 

or are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

 

 

Correlation and causation are different things. Way to try and sound intelligent. Now why not talk about sucking dicks some more?

 

 

they are indeed but that does not refute anything I just said

so untill you can come up with any actual arguments go suck some more R* dick!

 

 

Omg. So dumb. Correlation proves nothing, causation, however, does. If you can prove causation, cool, go you. But so far you've proved absolutely f*cking zilch.

 

 

still not a single argument or answer to anything I asked

forget the antf*cking (dutch proverbs rock) about correlation and causation

which btw is completely irrelevant

and answer the very simple qeustions I asked at the end of that post

 

are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card?

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

Edited January 20, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

still not a single argument or answer to anything I asked

forget the antf*cking (dutch proverbs rock) about correlation and causation

which btw is completely irrelevant

and answer the very simple qeustions I asked at the end of that post

 

are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card?

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

 

 

You're the genius that brought up the idea of correlation, as if it proves anything. I was pointing out that correlation proves nothing. For example, I cough just a car drives past my window. That's correlation. If the car drove past my window because I coughed, that's called causation. Again, correlation proves nothing. Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Anyway, as a believer in Capitalism, there's only one argument that matters to me.....do I have to buy these cards? No. Therefore, not an issue.

 

Now answer me something...why so much butthurt over something so trivial, that's entirely optional?

[AfterDeath]

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

[Zwenkwiel]

Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:11 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:11 PM, said:Varios Los Aztecas, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:11 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:02 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:02 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 8:02 PM, said:

 

still not a single argument or answer to anything I asked

forget the antf*cking (dutch proverbs rock) about correlation and causation

which btw is completely irrelevant

and answer the very simple qeustions I asked at the end of that post

 

are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card?

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

 

 

You're the genius that brought up the idea of correlation, as if it proves anything. I was pointing out that correlation proves nothing. For example, I cough just a car drives past my window. That's correlation. If the car drove past my window because I coughed, that's called causation. Again, correlation proves nothing. Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Anyway, as a believer in Capitalism, there's only one argument that matters to me.....do I have to buy these cards? No. Therefore, not an issue.

 

Now answer me something...why so much butthurt over something so trivial, that's entirely optional?

 

 

first of all get your definitions straight

that example with the coughing and the car is just downright wrong

in that case there's no correlation between the 2 things at all.

 

correlation:

1. A causal, complementary, parallel, or reciprocal relationship, especially a structural, functional, or qualitative correspondence between two comparable entities: a correlation between drug abuse and crime.

2. Statistics The simultaneous change in value of two numerically valued random variables: the positive correlation between cigarette smoking and the incidence of lung cancer; the negative correlation between age and normal vision.

3. An act of correlating or the condition of being correlated.

secondly, you still fail to see that cashcards aren't at all optional

me buying them is, yes, but the fact that they are there and are impacting my gameplay experience negatively isn't

Edited January 20, 2014 by Zwenkwiel

[XJpostman]

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Edited January 20, 2014 by XJpostman

[Polish_Trucker]

Cash cards are only for the people who keep dying every 5 seconds. So, I'm good <insertsmugfacehere>

[Punisher.]

Cash cards were a terrible idea in the first place.

 

Rockstar are bound to charge for the DLC, that comes after the Free Heists. Let's just hope it is worth paying for, and not just more beach bum nonsense.

[amine-griffy]

Its seems that the gaming businesse is getting worse and worse in every generation I remember ps1-ps2 days we didn't have any dlc's or addons and it was fun I spent 200h in San Andreas without touching the online since there was an online mod on PC

 

Nowadays the developers are just greedy we paid full price on a game some people pay their Xbox live gold as well in order to play isn't that enough ? Plus what's the point of releasing them stupid cash cards well I can answer that they wanted to make the game a pay2win but they failed since people found a way to make money glitch and mod and I'm certainly sure that if they weren't any glitches or mods people will push themselves

And buy them . Some people say its optional well this could be true but how do you explain the nerfs including payouts races even rockstar stated that farming isn't cheating but instead they took many measures to stop people for playing the same missions all over again by removing the replay button and cutting down the gains now they realised that they were wrong and they increased them a bit but it still not enough though .

 

I really hope that people stop defending rockstar and be subjective for once please yes most of the community tries to cheat which is sucks but rockstar also take responsibility as well so therefore nobody is innocent.

[XJpostman]

I spent around 4 hours last night just doing missions that came up on my phone, robbing stores and armored trucks, and selling vehicles.

I made around $80 000... in 4 hours... just having fun, not grinding. Woo I can almost buy a sports car.

If R* didn't care if people bought their shark cards the payouts would be more, what reason would they have to set them low? The leveling system is slow enough as it is. Who can honestly say that earning more money legit wouldn't be more fun?

Nobody wants money to mean nothing like it was with the gifted billions, but the way it is now is really one sided and it makes it seem like R* just wants everyone to buy a couple shark cards to make it more a little bit easier and more fun.

 

I'd rather pay for dlc that actually adds something, beach bum wouldn't have cut it though.

[Zwenkwiel]

I think that due the lack of a response by varios los aztecas it is safe to say

 

OWNED!

thank you and have a nice day XD

[Coin]

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

[AfterDeath]

 

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

 

I paid $60 for the online experience just like everyone else, so yeah, I'm entitled to quit playing when I feel Rockstar has started to develop for profit, not for customer satisfaction.

[Kracus]

 

 

 

 

You're the genius that brought up the idea of correlation, as if it proves anything. I was pointing out that correlation proves nothing. For example, I cough just a car drives past my window. That's correlation. If the car drove past my window because I coughed, that's called causation. Again, correlation proves nothing. Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Anyway, as a believer in Capitalism, there's only one argument that matters to me.....do I have to buy these cards? No. Therefore, not an issue.

 

Now answer me something...why so much butthurt over something so trivial, that's entirely optional?

 

 

I put that dude on my ignore list a long time ago, I suggest you do the same, there's no reasoning with this guy he's just a wannabe troll.

[Coin]

 

 

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

 

I paid $60 for the online experience just like everyone else, so yeah, I'm entitled to quit playing when I feel Rockstar has started to develop for profit, not for customer satisfaction.

 

 

Why are you entitled to receive content for free that the development thereof is being paid for by other players?

Edited January 20, 2014 by Insert-Coin-To-Continue

[cwo-reynolds]

Anyone who buys cash cards is dumb. What a waste of money. Spend $60 for the game, pay your internet bill and then buy cash cards. Nah no way. Can spend cash card money on food or gas.

I'm over the cash card thing but the rest of your post is why I won't be buying next gen. I bought the game I pay for internet but they want a subscription? What? For what? Some free games I never wanted in the first place? Nah, not for me. I have a hard time paying for intangibles.

[AfterDeath]

 

 

 

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

 

I paid $60 for the online experience just like everyone else, so yeah, I'm entitled to quit playing when I feel Rockstar has started to develop for profit, not for customer satisfaction.

 

 

Why are you entitled to receive content for free that the development thereof is being paid for by other players?

 

Do you honestly think that many people are buying cash cards? You don't think the billion dollars we all gave to them isn't enough to make up for the 265 million dollar budget, pay their wages, and take care of GTA Online development for its full life? You are mistaken.

[Coin]

 

 

 

 

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

 

I paid $60 for the online experience just like everyone else, so yeah, I'm entitled to quit playing when I feel Rockstar has started to develop for profit, not for customer satisfaction.

 

 

Why are you entitled to receive content for free that the development thereof is being paid for by other players?

 

Do you honestly think that many people are buying cash cards? You don't think the billion dollars we all gave to them isn't enough to make up for the 265 million dollar budget, pay their wages, and take care of GTA Online development for its full life? You are mistaken.

 

 

I don't think that many people are buying cash cards, no, and that's the point. You expect all this extra work for free just because cash cards exist. That's absurd and makes you an entitled prick.

 

Regarding the billion gross, so what? You do realise that much of that will be taken by Take Two Interactive, and re-invested into any number of projects in development, or otherwise, right? The only person who is mistaken here is you, here have a link. I doubt you'll look at that link, but if you did, you'll notice that Take Two's operating annual expenses are around the billion dollar mark for the last 3 years.

 

Rockstar have already released some free content, and will release more. But if you think that they are going to release expansions for free because they have cash cards for purchase or because the game grosses a billion dollars on release, and that you are entitled to expansion-sized content for free for either of those reasons, you are one deluded individual.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Insert-Coin-To-Continue

[Pixel S]

 

 

 

 

As long as all future DLC for this game remains free I'm fine with cash cards existing, because I know I'll never buy one. But as soon as DLC comes with a price tag and we also have cash cards I will officially be done with this game.

 

You either charge nothing for an online game but then have microtransactions and macrotransactions

 

or

 

You charge for the online and make everything free, maybe throw in a couple free and paid DLC's

 

You don't f*ckin do both, no matter how well received of a company you are.

 

Entitled much?

 

I paid $60 for the online experience just like everyone else, so yeah, I'm entitled to quit playing when I feel Rockstar has started to develop for profit, not for customer satisfaction.

 

 

Why are you entitled to receive content for free that the development thereof is being paid for by other players?

 

Do you honestly think that many people are buying cash cards? You don't think the billion dollars we all gave to them isn't enough to make up for the 265 million dollar budget, pay their wages, and take care of GTA Online development for its full life? You are mistaken.

 

You can't honestly think they are going to give you TLAD/TBOGT type content for free. Just Because there are cash cards in place?

 

Cash cards and paid dlc are totally different ball games.

Also you're not entitled to anything past the GTAV shipped set up.

Edited January 20, 2014 by GTARACER93

[AfterDeath]

You're both forgetting the fact that so far GTA Online has only been a rocky rollercoaster ride, and the only way they'll ever be able to charge for big expansions is if they release smaller to medium sized DLC's for free to win back the part of the community that doesn't have their heads all the way up Rockstar's ass.

Again, you people make assumptions but nowhere did I say I wanted huge DLC to be free. I'm just saying it's not plausible to ask the community to pay for the main driving force of the game; money, and also ask them to pay for DLC, which they most likely will do. After heists, expect to see small DLC like the Beach Bum DLC to cost $5-10. Why? because they never advertised that they would continue to support the game and keep it fresh, while releasing the big stuff at a price for hardcore GTA players.

 

Anyway, it's obvious quite a few of you don't know the difference of business practices between F2P/P4F and full retail games.

[NuklerGhost101838]

Cash cards are a mutually-benefiting option, but not everyone appreciates or desires them, obviously. They are neither the best or worst thing, they are simply there if a player desires to buy them for in-game cash. Maybe it isn't a particularly wise choice, but it is the player's choice and decision to do so, not for other players to berate. If it is not affecting your gameplay, then leave it alone. I can make sufficient funds just by doing activities placed in the game, and by sufficient I mean enough to buy the customizations and max ammo for my weapons and vehicles, pay stuff for my apartment, get new clothes, etc. I choose to not glitch or buy cash cards, but that is my choice.

 

On that note, the thread should be locked down.

Edited January 20, 2014 by NuklerGhost101838

[muhmuhhuh]

 

Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:27 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:21 PM, said:

 

Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:12 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:12 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:12 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:12 PM, said:Insert-Coin-To-Continue, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:12 PM, said:

 

Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:Zwenkwiel, on 20 Jan 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:

 

Fuzzknuckles, on 20 Jan 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:Fuzzknuckles, on 20 Jan 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:Fuzzknuckles, on 20 Jan 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:Fuzzknuckles, on 20 Jan 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:Fuzzknuckles, on 20 Jan 2014 - 6:37 PM, said:

1. Cash cards are optional. So, there's nothing to complain about there, you don't have to buy them.

2. People can buy cash cards if they want to, that's why they're in the game. It's none of your business if someone chooses to buy one or not.

 

 

are you seriously stupid enough to think that the existence of cash cards doesn't impact other areas of the game?

I dare you to come up with any other reason for the nerfed payouts, ridiculous prices of everything and money sinks troughout the game!

 

you might not think these things are bad, but to say they don't impact me if I don't buy any is just plain stupid

 

 

Are you 'seriously stupid', or just never played an online game before?

 

 

the f*ck is your point?

 

 

 

The developers can and do make balance decisions, like nerfing payouts (funny how you never mention that they lowered the prices of stuff too!) independent of the existence of cash cards.

 

Do you post on MMO forums complaining that the only reason they are nerfing experience is to draw out your playtime and earn more from subscriptions?

 

Take off your tin foil hat and lay off the meth.

 

 

see that wasn't so hard now was it.

whole sentences and everything XD

 

anyway, I think we just have to agree to disagree on the fact that cash cards have influenced these nerfs and in fact the whole design of the game

you say there's absolutely no correlation at all, to which I would have to say why have cashcards at all if you're not going to take them into account in the rest of the game design?

 

or are you willing to go as far to say that they really don't care if they sell a single cash card

and have in no way shape or form made certain design decisions in order to push these cards?

 

They dont "push" cash cards though.

[John Marston]

Good god, get over it! Nobody is making you buy these!

but complaints shall be heard. So Rockstar knows how we feel about it.