Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yeah, each of these games can give you bits of information. But as Nipperkins said, they can't teach you much on their own. They have nothing on actual studying. For example, I am a fan of the Assassins Creed franchise, from that game a gained a little knowledge of Florentine history and architecture...fast forward a few years and my Final year University Specialist subject is Renaissance Florence and I write my dissertation on Florentine Mercenary Warfare. Of my accumulated Knowledge of Florence, I would say AC contributed 0.5%. But, as I said, games can offer opportunities to practice knowledge which you should have gained through other educational methods. In the AC example it gave me a chance to walk around a surprisingly geographically accurate version of Renaissance Florence. Assassins Creed also has data entries, which for the most part I believe, are historically accurate. Just please, to anyone who takes AC at face value, Leonardo da Vinci was not an assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Just please, to anyone who takes AC at face value, Leonardo da Vinci was not an assassin. Lol, everybody knows that. I was surprised to learn that he was gay though. Also, the "assassins" this series are not real. It is one of the sad facts which don't really mingle with the super realistic Renaissance Italy. But really, there are more games which teach us about moral values other than AC Series. I don't really play variety of games but as far as I remember my experience with Angry Birds, I really got much more smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Movies and video games aren't going to give you a fraction of the knowledge that you would get if you actually took the time to learn about the subject people. You aren't going to gain anything meaning full by stabbing people in Assassin's Creed compared to reading a book or watching a documentary. I don't think you can learn much from a game. Sometimes a game that has some basis in a real world concept can inspire you to go research that on your own, though. I really think you both never played any video games in your lives. How can you say video games have not taught us anything? It helped me improve my decision making, quick analysis of my environment and has made my hands very agile. I've been playing video games since before you were born. Report in again when you are an adult with a complete education and then see how much of a part of it video games have played. Most of the assassin's creed data entries on people are fictionalized and worked into their story. Edited January 21, 2014 by theadmiral I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Movies and video games aren't going to give you a fraction of the knowledge that you would get if you actually took the time to learn about the subject people. You aren't going to gain anything meaning full by stabbing people in Assassin's Creed compared to reading a book or watching a documentary. I don't think you can learn much from a game. Sometimes a game that has some basis in a real world concept can inspire you to go research that on your own, though. I really think you both never played any video games in your lives. How can you say video games have not taught us anything? It helped me improve my decision making, quick analysis of my environment and has made my hands very agile. I've been playing video games since before you were born. Report in again when you are an adult with a complete education and then see how much of a part of it video games have played. Most of the assassin's creed data entries on people are fictionalized and worked into their story. Games are of some use. Writers know this. Writing fanfiction can later on help you create your own universe most of the times. I've experienced this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Dude, what games did you play in '90s anyways? Pac-man? We can say those games are not "educational". But, modern games ARE educational (except MMORPG games and others falling in this category). You seriously make me worry that you haven't even touched any GTA game in your life. Edited January 21, 2014 by Dr. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 . Games are of some use. Writers know this. Writing fanfiction can later on help you create your own universe most of the times. I've experienced this. You could make the same argument about any subject that inspired you to write. Television, historical events, etc. Writing fan fiction is the very opposite of creating your own universe. It is stealing a universe from another more creative writer that already created it. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Most of the assassin's creed data entries on people are fictionalized and worked into their story. Some of it, yeah, but it can give you general background information on some historical figures. Niccolo Machiavelli is listed as a "political theorist" (paraphrasing) and da Vinci is listed as an an "anatomist, sculptor, cartographer, painter, botanist, engineer, architect and mathematician of the Renaissance." (according to the Wiki). So the player at least gets some broad knowledge of a person/persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Most of the assassin's creed data entries on people are fictionalized and worked into their story. Some of it, yeah, but it can give you general background information on some historical figures. Niccolo Machiavelli is listed as a "political theorist" (paraphrasing) and da Vinci is listed as an an "anatomist, sculptor, cartographer, painter, botanist, engineer, architect and mathematician of the Renaissance." (according to the Wiki). So the player at least gets some broad knowledge of a person/persons. You are right, which goes back to my original point - It does not educate you, but it can inspire you to research a subject on your own. It also claims Edward Braddock was a Templar and got assassinated by a man named Haytham Kenway in it's "Historical" entry. That is not very educational! Edited January 21, 2014 by theadmiral I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 . Games are of some use. Writers know this. Writing fanfiction can later on help you create your own universe most of the times. I've experienced this. You could make the same argument about any subject that inspired you to write. Television, historical events, etc. Writing fan fiction is the very opposite of creating your own universe. It is stealing a universe from another more creative writer that already created it. You did not understand my post. If you first write fanfiction it will help you to create your own universe. There is nothing wrong with writing fanfiction because it helps you create your own universe later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think personality and morals are the biggest things picked up from films and games. Dr. John and Frank Brown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) You seriously make me worry that you haven't even touched any GTA game in your life. If you are listing Grand Theft Auto games as educational, you've lost all credibility in this discussion. The Assassin's Creed argument I somewhat understand. Edited January 21, 2014 by theadmiral I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I think personality and morals are the biggest things picked up from films and games. Exactly. It's not only the history we learn from games like Assassin's Creed. We learnt about the modern day world from GTA V. It was a total satire of it. It helps people acknowledge as to how this world has changed and what we must do. Spiderman movie has taught me that, "With great power comes great responsiblity." Everybody gets the meaning after they face life stuations. There are so many stories which are taken by real life events. Some of them are very good for people with depression and anxiety. It helps them feel that there is another person in this world carrying the same burden as you do. Edited January 21, 2014 by Dr. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Most of the assassin's creed data entries on people are fictionalized and worked into their story. Some of it, yeah, but it can give you general background information on some historical figures. Niccolo Machiavelli is listed as a "political theorist" (paraphrasing) and da Vinci is listed as an an "anatomist, sculptor, cartographer, painter, botanist, engineer, architect and mathematician of the Renaissance." (according to the Wiki). So the player at least gets some broad knowledge of a person/persons. You are right, which goes back to my original point - It does not educate you, but it can inspire you to research a subject on your own. It also claims Edward Braddock was a Templar and got assassinated by a man named Haytham Kenway in it's "Historical" entry. That is not very educational! He wasn't?! f*ck me. I just finished a test on Braddock and I wrote about his demise using the A.C. entry. theadmiral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) You seriously make me worry that you haven't even touched any GTA game in your life. If you are listing Grand Theft Auto games as educational, you've lost all credibility in this discussion. Again they are educational in a way. After I wrote my first GTA Fanfic, my writing improved drastically. I have already explained the reason for this before. And GTA V also explains stock marketing a bit, I believe. Edited January 21, 2014 by AceKingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You seriously make me worry that you haven't even touched any GTA game in your life. If you are listing Grand Theft Auto games as educational, you've lost all credibility in this discussion. Again they are educational in a way. After I wrote my first GTA Fanfic, my writing improved drastically. I have already explained the reason for this before. And GTA V also explains stock marketing a bit, I believe. Games can and are educational when combined with other things, such as outside influence and/or previous knowledge of a subject. Your writing probably improved in part because of writing, but also probably because of critiquing from other people, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Again they are educational in a way. After I wrote my first GTA Fanfic, my writing improved drastically. I have already explained the reason for this before. And GTA V also explains stock marketing a bit, I believe. ROFL! Yeah, it really does. Just invest in one company, and assassinate the leader of the rival company so you make a huge margin. Very educational, that. And as for your fan fic examples, it is nothing to do with being educational. It is just more about you having a poor imagination as a writer and needing other writers to inspire you. Nothing to do with GTA. It seems like any subject matter (Fallout, GTA, Assassin's creed) inspires you to write. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Again they are educational in a way. After I wrote my first GTA Fanfic, my writing improved drastically. I have already explained the reason for this before. And GTA V also explains stock marketing a bit, I believe. ROFL! Yeah, it really does. Just invest in one company, and assassinate the leader of the rival company so you make a huge margin. Very educational, that. And as for your fan fic examples, it is nothing to do with being educational. It is just more about you having a poor imagination as a writer and needing other writers to inspire you. Nothing to do with GTA. It seems like any subject matter (Fallout, GTA, Assassin's creed) inspires you to write. Actually no. Go to WD. Writers usually say fanfics are the best way to start-up but not once you manage to create your own universe. @Vlynor: Yes but again see what I said above. Edited January 21, 2014 by AceKingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think you are just confusing "educational" with "inspiring one to write", Ace. The education comes during your own writing and creative exercises, not by playing a video game. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories, better later on. Edited January 21, 2014 by AceKingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 @theadmiral: The GTA series is "educational" in its own way. Ignore the killing and bad influences it causes. Somewhere, deep down, Rockstar has put a parallelism between this world and the wourld of GTA (read my previous post for more reasons). Also, read Ace's post again. It also helps writers in creating their "own" world. Creators of Assassin's Creed GOT inspired by historic events. They just tweaked some parts here and there but they kept the real deal intact. BTW, I never directed that GTA is educational in that post. You surely misunderstand people a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. I'd like to see a professional, employed writer who started off writing GTA fan fictions. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. I'd like to see a professional, employed writer who started off writing GTA fan fictions. Yes, there are some writers here who are looking to publish their works, here is one of them: http://gtaforums.com/user/209908-ziggy455/ Edited January 21, 2014 by AceKingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. That's not educational, though. You're confusing education (learning skills/gaining knowledge) with inspiration. You're inspired to write other things because you wrote GTA Fan-fiction. You gained an education when your friends or random people critiqued your writing. See the difference? theadmiral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. I'd like to see a professional, employed writer who started off writing GTA fan fictions. Yes, there are some writers here who are looking to publish their works, here is one of them: http://gtaforums.com/user/209908-ziggy455/ Every "writer" on the internet is "Looking to publish their work". Show me one who is gainfully employed as a result of it. Edited January 21, 2014 by theadmiral I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. John Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Every "writer" on the internet is "Looking to publish their work". Show me one who is gainfully employed as a result of it. If they were employed, they won't be slacking here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If you want to learn how to write, start reading. What is considered a good "story" in a game is dwarfed in tenfold by what is a good story in a book. theadmiral 1 – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Brown Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Every "writer" on the internet is "Looking to publish their work". Show me one who is gainfully employed as a result of it. If they were employed, they won't be slacking here. I don't think that's true. Many of these members are employed, some in high end jobs, and they still visit this forum frequently. Some are moderators. Edited January 21, 2014 by Vlynor theadmiral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If a video-game story is good and it inspires you to write a story which is a fanfic based on that video game, it is education. Writing is education, especially if it will help you create your own universe and make you write your own stories better later on. That is rubbish. By that logic, looking out my window and watching the snow fall is educational because it could inspire me to write a story about snowy days at home. 'Rubbish' yeah. Because your logic makes no sense at all. Nearly all writers here start out by writing GTA Fanfiction for the reason I stated above. Now they are one of the best writers on the forum so your logic is flawed. That's not educational, though. You're confusing education (learning skills/gaining knowledge) with inspiration. You're inspired to write other things because you wrote GTA Fan-fiction. You gained an education when your friends or random people critiqued your writing. See the difference? Inspiration yes. Education yes, partly. Because it helps create your own universe later on. You do learn from writing a fanfic. @Admiral: Writing is 50% a passion, 50% an employment. I know a guy who'd loved to write for a living and is a great writer here but he likes to keep it as a passion. @Raavi: You misunderstood what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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