Rockstar commiting fraud.....

[SUPAH JD]

Psst.

Hey guys.

He was proven to be a liar on his Social Club stats apparently.

Time to stop beating the dead horse now.

[Rinsaf]

 

You paid for something, R* took it away with no remuneration. Of course they are committing theft/fraud lol

 

Anyone who see's this in even a slightly different way is either on a thorazine drip or has a forrest gump level IQ...

He paid for something a few mil or less. Was given tons of hacked money. Spent 60m and still has something left. You are an idiot for thinking it was fraud. He spent way more than he purchased. The fact he has anything left at all was R* being nice. They could have left his bank balance at -50m or whatever he would have left after taking all the hacked money he received. Or they could have taken away everything he purchased and left him with only the money he had before the gift. What they did left him with far more than he had legitamately. He still has items he never could have afforded with his purchased gta$ and money he earned. You are almost as dumb as the OP

 

 

Well... thats what I get for either missing that part of the OP's post, or just being unable to read and shooting from the hip... :S

 

I completely retract the above and apologize for my idiocy. Had no idea the dude spent $60 mil and then had the stones to complain....

[rlr149]

 

 

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

Called using my brain... you want to keep customers who bought shark cards, not make them regret it.

 

people are reporting getting it back after providing confirmation. there ARE issues with security of the game so confirmation is a good move on R*'s part.

also OP doesn't have this problem as shown by others

I didnt even buy a cash card. I was just giving my opinion on the situation. Good to know rockstar's support is at least working with their customers.

 

not entirely, you were giving an opinion on what the OP was claiming was the situation, the actual situation is that people are getting the money back.

[Wheeling and Dealing]

Companies have themselves covered pretty well with the boilerplate ToS that you agree to when you play the game. Often you will agree to arbitration before you are allowed to even sue the company. Then, if you do get past arbitration and do not agree with the outcome, you sue in the jurisdiction which you agreed to in the ToS. In this case it would be in the State of New York.

 

 

This Agreement is entered into in the State of New York and shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of New York, exclusive of its choice of law rules. You and the Company agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the state and federal courts sitting in the Borough of Manhattan in the City of New York in the State of New York, and waive any jurisdictional, venue, or inconvenient forum objections to such courts. You and the Company further agree as follows: (i) any claim brought to enforce this Agreement must be commenced within two (2) years of the cause of action accruing; (ii) no recovery may be sought or received for damages other than out-of-pocket expenses, except that the prevailing party will be entitled to costs and attorneys fees; and (iii) any claim must be brought individually and not consolidated as part of a group or class action complaint.

This is from R* legal regarding litigation issues.

 

Next you are going to actually have to prove that they committed fraud. You are the plaintiff so it's on you, not R*, to prove the elements of fraud. Here, I'll even give you this to help you get started.

 

 

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

No attorney is going to take a case like this. It's not worth their time to even talk to you (unless you plan on giving them a $10K retainer) about you being "defrauded" by R* over a $20 card. Just stop crying about it and use the ingame system to complain to R*. If you have a legitimate claim and really didn't use the hacked money R* will fix it. R* sold over $1B GTAV in three days. I don't think they really care if they have to put $20 worth of GTA money back in your account.

Hence why they do not allow you to take part in a class action lawsuit. You can cover your ass but you may still be liable. Fine print only means so much when it is prepared as take or leave... but with this situation it is not even remotely close to the magnitude that would be required to even be heard really Edited January 19, 2014 by Wheeling and Dealing

[Ai®a©ob®a]

It's not "Fraud" but it is bad business.

 

I made a comment about how I didn't think R* looked at each account that had more then 10M cause some people can legit earn 10M and just wiped em clean without looking at there transactions.

 

If you can prove that you bought the Cash Cards via Bank Account or Proof Of Transaction and show it to R* they can go back and see that and they'll refund the money.

 

If you can give them a date and time of when you bought the cards they can look up there accounts and compare them to your account and see how much you had in the first place and how much you spent and they'll take away the 500K but will refund the rest.

 

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Another reason why to not buy Cash Cards

Edited January 19, 2014 by AiraCobra

[Wheeling and Dealing]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

Called using my brain... you want to keep customers who bought shark cards, not make them regret it.

 

people are reporting getting it back after providing confirmation. there ARE issues with security of the game so confirmation is a good move on R*'s part.

also OP doesn't have this problem as shown by others

I didnt even buy a cash card. I was just giving my opinion on the situation. Good to know rockstar's support is at least working with their customers.

 

not entirely, you were giving an opinion on what the OP was claiming was the situation, the actual situation is that people are getting the money back.

I saw a thread and responded to it because it interested me. Calm your tits

[rlr149]

 

I saw a thread and responded to it because it interested me. Calm your tits

 

tits are calm Judge Dev

[LancerG2]

 

Ladies and Gentlemen: ThatCrazyPenguin. Terrible liar, "genius" and OP.

[iFight]

Before someone gifted you money, with the purchased cash cards did you buy anything? If no, did you buy everything with the gifted money?
I'm asking because rockstar said they remove all gifted money + the money of the items you purchased.

Edited January 20, 2014 by iFight

[Staten]

Before someone gifted you money, with the purchased cash cards did you buy anything? If no, did you buy everything with the gifted money?

I'm asking because rockstar said they remove all gifted money + the money of the items you purchased.

If the OP isn't lying (as other people have suggested) then this is most likely what happened. He may have spent that 2 million while he had the glitched money, so when that money was removed, the money spent was taken off the shark card money.

 

Regardless of what is true or not, the OP should contact R*Support.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Staten

[iFight]

 

 

It says 62 million spent on your social club account dude, your cash cards are long gone lol.

LOL. Are you f*cking serious? Haha

Yup

 

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/member/thatcrazypenguin/games/gtav/career/overview/gtaonline

 

Looks like OP might have told a little white lie.

 

It's all 0, he didn't even start to play how's that possible? Did he maybe unlink his account?

 

If that's true, this dickhead is a liar trying to get attention.

[Wheeling and Dealing]

 

 

I saw a thread and responded to it because it interested me. Calm your tits

 

tits are calm Judge Dev

Judge dev?

[AbortSanity]

You buy cash-cards, you see gonna get [email protected]! Noobs like you are the reason micro-transactions have infected every corner of gaming...

[iFight]

It's confirmed, this kid is a liar. He unlinked his account after getting busted.

 

Good job @senormidget

 

 

I'm gonna report this topic, if anyone wants to join good.

[WBaker]

The account isn't unlinked. Despite the fib, consider the original post to be hypothetical. If anyone still wants to discuss it I say let them. If not the thread will die on its own.

[JohnBlaze07]

why would u have to take screenshots when u buy cash cards sony sends u a confirmation email rockstar needs to contact sony to verify u shouldnt have to provide proof the onus is on rockstar to verify u purchased a cash card

Edited January 20, 2014 by JohnBlaze07

[iFight]

The account isn't unlinked. Despite the fib, consider the original post to be hypothetical. If anyone still wants to discuss it I say let them. If not the thread will die on its own.

What? My account is bugged or what? All i see is many zero's...I tested myself, unlinked my psn and checked and it's similar all 0. If that isn't his account then i apologize.

[WBaker]

 

The account isn't unlinked. Despite the fib, consider the original post to be hypothetical. If anyone still wants to discuss it I say let them. If not the thread will die on its own.

 

What? My account is bugged or what? All i see is many zero's...I tested myself, unlinked my psn and checked and it's similar all 0. If that isn't his account then i apologize.

Press the xbox button on the social club site, you might be looking at the ps3 page which has all zeros for stats.

[iFight]

 

 

The account isn't unlinked. Despite the fib, consider the original post to be hypothetical. If anyone still wants to discuss it I say let them. If not the thread will die on its own.

What? My account is bugged or what? All i see is many zero's...I tested myself, unlinked my psn and checked and it's similar all 0. If that isn't his account then i apologize.

Press the xbox button on the social club site, you might be looking at the ps3 page which has all zeros for stats.

 

*Facepalm* that's why it didn't work, I didn't even realize thanks.

If that is his account then he's a liar, anyways i'm out from this discussion.

[PkUnzipper]

Ok so heres the tale, I was one of those `gifted` money by the hackers, not much compared to some about 23 million dollars in all. I havnt had much playtime over the last few weeks so have barely been on to spend any money anyway, I estimate Ive spent about maybe 500k of that 23 million.

 

Now before anybody whines, I EXPECTED to lose that money, this is not what this post is about, see the problem is I also had about 2 million dollars worth of money left over id bought using cash-cards with my own rl funds.(I dont have time or can be arsed to spend ages trying to glitch a video game)......

 

And now the real issue presents, rockstar WIPED my bank account,. they didnt just take the 23 mil id recieved, not even 23.5 mil for the money of the hacked currecy id spent, they took EVERYTHING even the money id legitimately paid for.

 

Now is this not fraud? selling someone something then taking it away from them for no good reason? Ive contacted rs support but id be interested to hear if this issue has affected anyone else as if the outcome of my support request is not favourable then I intend to see what recourse I have legally, after all its only a game but rl money is more then just a game and fraud is fraud. I dont care if it was a system error, that was currency id paid for perfectly legally and rockstar had no legal right to take off of me.

 

so yes, anyone else had issues with money theyd actully paid for being taken on top of the hacked funds? Seems they better sort out the system if its indeed making this mistakes as they might be hit with a great big legal kick in the balls otherwise.

 

Yet another fanboy who didn't read the EULA. No. It isn't fraud. I'm now taking a guess at your situation, so correct me if I'm wrong. You got wiped because you banked the hacked money (aka deposited it) from your char's pocket into your char's bank account. If this was the case, then you unfortunately mixed your legit earned money with the illegal GTA$--and so shot yourself in the foot as a result. Anyone who made the mistake of doing this--regardless of whether they spent any of the money or not---got their accounts nerfed in some way.

 

Perhaps you might have avoided this had you kept better track of your account activity? Because I was gifted a total $360 million on Christmas day (unwanted gifts and bounties) when the hacker inmates officially took over the GTAO asylum.

 

But I didn't bank any of it. I immediately reported each incident (in several support tickets) to R* support at RGSC and requested they remove it each time. Also uploaded pics with each ticket of my char's compromised bank account. These clearly showed proof of the cheater/hackers gamer tag who gifted the money and what my account balance was before/after the gift or bounty.

 

I also kept track of how much money my char was making from legit sources (missions, car sales from vehicles jacked from peds etc). Took before and after pics of my char's bank account at the end of each gaming session and basically banked the difference in cash earned from that session.

 

So I basically lost nothing when R* nerfed player accounts with the maintenance. My two character accounts were right back where they started with all garage vehicles still insured and intact.....

 

Try looking at this from R* perspective as a company which needs to turn a profit like any other business. If they took all your legit shark card GTA$, it's most likely because you overspent what you were gifted in terms of the hacked money. R* already explained how they calculated your account balance here. But you already know this right?

 

http://support.rockstargames.com/hc/communities/public/questions/200740037

 

 

Question: Regarding the account balance adjustments, what if I already spent some or all of the money I was given by cheaters? Or what if I transferred it to a second temporary character?

 

Answer: We have taken all of these factors into account when making account balance adjustments. If you already spent some or all of the modded money you were given, you may find that your account balance after adjustment is lower than it was before you received the counterfeit money. This is correct as you will be allowed to keep the items you bought. <----This basically implies the $$$ you lost in shark card value has been compensated for in equal value of any items you bought. What exactly did you do/buy with the money? Was that really $500k?

 

Question: How did you calculate the adjusted account balance for each player who was in possession of modded GTA$? What happened if deducting the amount of modded GTA$ from a particular account would have resulted in a very low, or negative, balance?

 

Answer: The adjusted account balances are the result of removing modded money. If you already spent some or all of the modded money you were given, you may find that your account balance after adjustment is lower than it was before you received the counterfeit money - this is correct as you will be allowed to keep the items you bought. Any unspent money from shark card purchases is also not affected. For accounts that would have been left with little or no GTA$ after correction, we added sufficient funds to continue playing and enjoying GTA Online, taking into account whether a player intentionally created and distributed modded GTA$ versus or received modded money innocently. <----This basically implies R* FORGAVE those cheaters who grossly overspent the millions/billions in gifted hacker money. R* even GAVE them extra money to stop their accounts from going negative So it was a win win situation for anyone who spent the money as long as they weren't the root cause of the problem (i.e. the hackers themselves etc).

 

 

Here's an excerpt from the EULA on how R* views GTA$ aka virtual currency and what they as the license will do when gamers violate the license agreement:

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/eula

 

".........VIRTUAL CURRENCY AND VIRTUAL GOODS

If the Software allows you to purchase and/or earn though play a license to use Virtual Currency and Virtual Goods, the following additional terms and conditions apply.

 

VIRTUAL CURRENCY & VIRTUAL GOODS: The Software may enable users to (i) use fictional virtual currency as a medium of exchange exclusively within the Software (“Virtual Currency” or “VC”) and (ii) gain access to (and certain limited rights to use) virtual goods within the Software (“Virtual Goods” or “VG”). Regardless of the terminology used, VC and VG represent a limited license right governed by this Agreement. Subject to the terms of and compliance with this Agreement, Licensor hereby grants you the nonexclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicensable, limited right and license to use VC and VG obtained by you for your personal non-commercial gameplay exclusively within the Software. Except as otherwise prohibited by applicable law, VC and VG obtained by you are licensed to you, and you hereby acknowledge that no title or ownership in or to VC and VG is being transferred or assigned hereunder. This Agreement should not be construed as a sale of any rights in VC and VG.

 

VC and VG do not have an equivalent value in real currency and do not act as a substitute for real currency. You acknowledge and agree that Licensor may revise or take action that impacts the perceived value of or purchase price for any VC and/or VG at any time except as prohibited by applicable law. VC and VG do not incur fees for non-use; provided, however, that the license granted hereunder to VC and VG will terminate in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and the Software documentation, when Licensor ceases providing the Software, or this Agreement is otherwise terminated. Licensor, in its sole discretion, reserves the right to charge fees for the right to access or use VC or VG and/or may distribute VC or VG with or without charge.

EARNING & PURCHASING VIRTUAL CURRENCY AND VIRTUAL GOODS: You may have the ability to purchase VC or to earn VC from Licensor for the completion of certain activities or accomplishments in the Software. For example, Licensor may provide VC or VG upon the completion of an in-game activity, such as attaining a new level, completing a task, or creating user content. Once obtained, VC and/or VG will be credited to your User Account.......<----This is where you defaulted on the amount of VC legally purchased by your shark cards. By spending the hacked $500k that you neither earned or bought, you admittedly violated your EULA.

 

And this part of the EULA particularly applies to your post:

 

".....NO REFUND: All purchases of VC and VG are final and under no circumstances will such purchases be refundable, transferable, or exchangeable. Except as prohibited by applicable law, Licensor has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify, suspend, and/or eliminate such VC and/or VG as it sees fit in its sole discretion, and Licensor shall have no liability to you or anyone else for the exercise of such rights." <----This is where the title of your thread and post become null and void OP. Once you buy shark cards IT'S A DONE DEAL. BASICALLY, THIS PART OF THE EULA SAYS YOU AGREED TO GIVE R* REAL MONEY FOR FAKE MONEY. THE SECOND YOU DID SO, R* PWNED YOUR ASS. AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT TO DATE UNLESS R* RULES OTHERWISE. Because the $500k in illegal VC you spent was in direct violation of your EULA with R*. Which gives R* ---as the licensor---the RIGHT to regulate your account as they see fit.

 

Now explain your logic on how R* can be committing fraud after you

 

1. agreed NOT to violate the EULA when you installed the game, was provided FREE access to play an online game which has been FREE OF CHARGE TO DATE and yet

 

2. admitted to being part of the problem by spending $500k of money you KNEW was illegally obtained, thereby deliberately knowingly cheating the company?

 

3. admitted you conspired to cheat the company of $500k in game currency, thereby compounding the issue for other ppl who were finding their shark cards increasingly worthless?

 

4. compounding R*'s losses in hundreds of man hours trying to combat/patch critical hacker/glitcher iso, json and DNS game exploits which have crippled the game economy to date

 

5. contributed to R*'s potential 3 month production schedule slip trying to release new DLC content--thanks to what hackers & DNS wanabee kids were doing to rape the franchise in #4. Which means R* potentially stands to lose players (and potential market share) to other franchises (BF3 etc) the longer it has to delay new DLC thanks to thousands of players like you who compounded the problem. (If the bitch fest on RGSC are true, then this is already happening btw).

 

6. proactively contributed to R*'s incurring millions of dollars in unnecessary overhead/employee labor related expenses to date, in trying to counteract the hacker/glitchers who are so hell bent on driving the franchise into the ground?

 

How can you even suggest fraud on R*'s part when you were clearly part of the virus that is still infesting GTAO? The second you spent and/or shared any of that money, you defaulted on all rights to any legal argument on the situation. You compromised all rights to any suit as clearly stated in the EULA. And unless you have proof in terms of account pics which indicate how much legit money you should really have, you don't have a legal (or logical) leg to stand on TBH.

 

Best of luck in getting any of that back from R*.

[Coin]

PkUnzipper, excellent post. A shame that I can only like it once.

[PkUnzipper]

edit: According to your RGSC profile

 

$62.1 MILLION spent out of

 

$89.7 MILLION earned with

 

$60.4 MILLION shared (aka where hacker money comes from).

 

That total spent amount is a looooong way from the $500k you claimed you spent bro......

 

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/member/thatcrazypenguin/games/gtav/career/overview/gtaonline

 

That says you're a RP cheat and potential LSC glitcher. Even if you deduct the $60.4 million in hacked money, YOU STILL SPENT MORE THAN WHAT YOU WERE GIFTED BY $2 MILLION. Which coincidentally, appears to be approximately the amount you're contesting atm OP.

 

I've got to give it to you OP. You had me fooled. It took balls of steel to make a post like that given your stats at RGSC

Edited January 20, 2014 by PkUnzipper

[j0hn_d0e]

To be fair - the minute he resorted to editing OP's and abuse, the bell started ringing...

[PkUnzipper]

Psst.

 

Hey guys.

 

He was proven to be a liar on his Social Club stats apparently.

 

Time to stop beating the dead horse now.

 

lol! got up to here.

 

nvm then.

[hornedturtle]

 

Companies have themselves covered pretty well with the boilerplate ToS that you agree to when you play the game. Often you will agree to arbitration before you are allowed to even sue the company. Then, if you do get past arbitration and do not agree with the outcome, you sue in the jurisdiction which you agreed to in the ToS. In this case it would be in the State of New York.

 

 

This Agreement is entered into in the State of New York and shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of New York, exclusive of its choice of law rules. You and the Company agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the state and federal courts sitting in the Borough of Manhattan in the City of New York in the State of New York, and waive any jurisdictional, venue, or inconvenient forum objections to such courts. You and the Company further agree as follows: (i) any claim brought to enforce this Agreement must be commenced within two (2) years of the cause of action accruing; (ii) no recovery may be sought or received for damages other than out-of-pocket expenses, except that the prevailing party will be entitled to costs and attorneys fees; and (iii) any claim must be brought individually and not consolidated as part of a group or class action complaint.

This is from R* legal regarding litigation issues.

 

Next you are going to actually have to prove that they committed fraud. You are the plaintiff so it's on you, not R*, to prove the elements of fraud. Here, I'll even give you this to help you get started.

 

 

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

No attorney is going to take a case like this. It's not worth their time to even talk to you (unless you plan on giving them a $10K retainer) about you being "defrauded" by R* over a $20 card. Just stop crying about it and use the ingame system to complain to R*. If you have a legitimate claim and really didn't use the hacked money R* will fix it. R* sold over $1B GTAV in three days. I don't think they really care if they have to put $20 worth of GTA money back in your account.

Hence why they do not allow you to take part in a class action lawsuit. You can cover your ass but you may still be liable. Fine print only means so much when it is prepared as take or leave... but with this situation it is not even remotely close to the magnitude that would be required to even be heard really

That clause only grants the power to terminate the account whilst the lawsuit is active. You can still do class action lawsuits.

[Lil ski]

Hey where is OP in all of this?? 6 pages of us talking and he hadn't responded back .

I hope his dumbass actually did take this bullsh*t to court so Rockstar can pay his stupid ass in cheese sandwiches to shut the hell up!

[Hazencoke]

The people crying "I'm gonna sue!" Are probably just kids that don't know any better. The terms when you buy the cash cards clearly say they can take it away anytime they want.

 

Besides most of these complaints are from folks who think their purchased cash was somehow reserved while they blew millions of hacker cash. It wasn't and your cash spent before the hacker cash did. Get over it.

im sure if that happened to you , you'll dismiss it and let rockstar take the money you paid for?

[GTAPhilly1]

Threads dead I killed it on page 2 when I showed a msg from rockstar verifying they'll reimburse cash cards lol u guys...6 pages?

[Wheeling and Dealing]

Hey where is OP in all of this?? 6 pages of us talking and he hadn't responded back .

I hope his dumbass actually did take this bullsh*t to court so Rockstar can pay his stupid ass in cheese sandwiches to shut the hell up!

No one ever pays me in cheese sandwiches.

[A_Drifter]

Once again, anything you pay for comes with terms and agreements and more importantly, you did not own the cards. Read everything before you download. It clearly states that you are buying the temporary rights to the software and it can be taken from you at anytime for no reason at all.