Rockstar commiting fraud.....

[MOGGYASAURUS]

 

If the OP's story was 100% legit then he would still have his money. A guy I play with was gifted money when he already had a few million and unlike just about everyone else (myself included) he didn't go nuts and buy everything and when the money got reset and most of us got 500k he was left with the couple million he had to begin with. Unlike the OP he didn't spend more than what he originally had and he didn't cheat.

 

Pretty much this. I earned about $1.3 million legitimately through missions, races, etc. I also purchased a $100,000 cash card with some spare MS points I wasn't using. I was then 'gifted' with hacked money several times leaving me with over $1 billion. I contacted Rockstar the next day, and followed up with several other contacts each time I received hacked money, sometimes with the cheaters' usernames if I saw them in time. Despite the billion being in my bank account (it was from a bounty that I didn't realise had a ludicrous amount of money so was deposited immediately) I never banked any of the gifted money I received. When the purge came last week I was left with just over $1.2 million in my bank which sounds about right considering the ammo, weapons, vehicle mods I've also purchased.

[StateofMind15]

Well you were stupid enough to buy cash cards when you knew that you had the possibility of losing it.

[Wheeling and Dealing]

 

 

Well it was kinda impossible for R* to tell which players had legitimate money or not so maybe they'll fix this issue over time. Screen cap your purchase of the cash cards via PSN or Xbox Live Marketplace and send it to R* for proof.

Cslled neglience fraud...

You mean negligence? I understand how you may think that but separating the players who had bought cash cards(and the ones who earned through missions and structured activities) to those who got it from hacked money is kinda intolerable. We're talking millions of players here and that would be hard for R* to deal with.Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

[Wheeling and Dealing]

f*ck the law

are we even playing the same game here? XD

go take your sh*t back by force you pussy

I have my baseball bat ready. Wanna join my rl crew

[Zarathustra71]

I love all these tales of woe, where people have, entirely innocently, acquired hacked money. I'm rank 175, played loads, obviously and have never been offered or given any hacked cash. I have seen ONE massive bounty put on a player. Maybe this is because I play free-aim and the hackers seem to be more in auto-aim, but from my perspective this constantly recurring narrative of everyone being completely innocent in their hacked millions/billions seems like bullsh*t.

[am30]

I love all these tales of woe, where people have, entirely innocently, acquired hacked money. I'm rank 175, played loads, obviously and have never been offered or given any hacked cash. I have seen ONE massive bounty put on a player. Maybe this is because I play free-aim and the hackers seem to be more in auto-aim, but from my perspective this constantly recurring narrative of everyone being completely innocent in their hacked millions/billions seems like bullsh*t.

 

You're correct in some instances about the proclaimations of innocence being BS. A lot of players knowingly joined money lobbies and knowingly chased after ridiculously huge bounties.

 

However, a lot of players (myself included) just had the money appear from seemingly nowhere or joined a lobby, saw a bounty and went for it unaware of its value. All that happens is you'll be driving along minding your own business and up pops the "You're holding more than $5000 in cash......" message along with another message saying who has gifted you the cash. Not much you can do really seeing as you can't refuse the unsolicited charitable donation.

[PrimeTime MP]

How much did you spend after you got billions? A few million?

[Dave Rizza]

 

 

It says 62 million spent on your social club account dude, your cash cards are long gone lol.

LOL. Are you f*cking serious? Haha

Yup

 

http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/member/thatcrazypenguin/games/gtav/career/overview/gtaonline

 

Looks like OP might have told a little white lie.

 

Of course he did. anyone with any sence already knew that. Whatever code R* used during the sweep was very very accurate when differentiating beetween hacked cash and legit funds. They were also incredibly fair by saying that in cases where removing all hacked cash would leave the user with no money or a negative balance they would give "spending money to continue to enjoy GTAO" which they did. they didnt have to do this at all. There will be countless of people like the OP who will complain because they went on a mad spending spree ( in his case 60 million ) and that long since ate any and all cash card / earned money and now R* have took the hacked cash away and left him with some " good will " money. Be thankful the cars etc that were bought with that 60 mill are still there.

[rlr149]

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

 

 

LOL. Burn.

[Dont Shoot]

Ok so heres the tale, I was one of those `gifted` money by the hackers, not much compared to some about 23 million dollars in all. I havnt had much playtime over the last few weeks so have barely been on to spend any money anyway, I estimate Ive spent about maybe 500k of that 23 million.

 

Now before anybody whines, I EXPECTED to lose that money, this is not what this post is about, see the problem is I also had about 2 million dollars worth of money left over id bought using cash-cards with my own rl funds.(I dont have time or can be arsed to spend ages trying to glitch a video game)......

 

And now the real issue presents, rockstar WIPED my bank account,. they didnt just take the 23 mil id recieved, not even 23.5 mil for the money of the hacked currecy id spent, they took EVERYTHING even the money id legitimately paid for.

 

Now is this not fraud? selling someone something then taking it away from them for no good reason? Ive contacted rs support but id be interested to hear if this issue has affected anyone else as if the outcome of my support request is not favourable then I intend to see what recourse I have legally, after all its only a game but rl money is more then just a game and fraud is fraud. I dont care if it was a system error, that was currency id paid for perfectly legally and rockstar had no legal right to take off of me.

 

so yes, anyone else had issues with money theyd actully paid for being taken on top of the hacked funds? Seems they better sort out the system if its indeed making this mistakes as they might be hit with a great big legal kick in the balls otherwise.

lmao what recourse you have legally. You can spend at least a grand on a lawyer and court costs to try and recoup your 20 dollars. Are people really as dumb as OP?

[Lil ski]

How the f*ck do you spend 60 mill? I probably couldn't spend that much in real life!

Buy a bunch of Bugattis and dip them all in chrome

 

[Wheeling and Dealing]

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?Called using my brain... you want to keep customers who bought shark cards, not make them regret it. Edited January 19, 2014 by Wheeling and Dealing

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

Called using my brain...

 

 

WHOA AWESOME COMEBACK PROFESSOR

[Rinsaf]

You paid for something, R* took it away with no remuneration. Of course they are committing theft/fraud lol

 

Anyone who see's this in even a slightly different way is either on a thorazine drip or has a forrest gump level IQ...

[Zarathustra71]

You paid for something, R* took it away with no remuneration. Of course they are committing theft/fraud lol

 

Anyone who see's this in even a slightly different way is either on a thorazine drip or has a forrest gump level IQ...

Or isn't 12 and has been outside on their own?

[Phyxsius-]

@OP - You received what you paid for, so I really fail to see how Rockstar is committing fraud. Sure, it can be argued that if I buy a new car, park it in my driveway, only for the seller to come and steal it at night is theft, but I am talking about REAL merchandise, not virtual.

 

http://www.gamesradar.com/ftc-ruling-paves-way-freemium-induced-insanity-defense/ <--- this is an interesting read, but it is aimed at something else.

___________________

 

Technically, support should give you back the money. Not because it is fraud, but because it`s bad PR. EULA gives them the right to take anything away from you, at anytime.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Phyxsius-

[Shootinalloveryourface]

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

[Dont Shoot]

You paid for something, R* took it away with no remuneration. Of course they are committing theft/fraud lol

 

Anyone who see's this in even a slightly different way is either on a thorazine drip or has a forrest gump level IQ...

He paid for something a few mil or less. Was given tons of hacked money. Spent 60m and still has something left. You are an idiot for thinking it was fraud. He spent way more than he purchased. The fact he has anything left at all was R* being nice. They could have left his bank balance at -50m or whatever he would have left after taking all the hacked money he received. Or they could have taken away everything he purchased and left him with only the money he had before the gift. What they did left him with far more than he had legitamately. He still has items he never could have afforded with his purchased gta$ and money he earned. You are almost as dumb as the OP

[Varios Los Aztecas]

If there was even a tiny hint of illegality, any number of the 50 trillion lawyers we have in the US would smell the money and be all over it like a cheap suit, and we'd know all about it. So far, nada.

 

Thread is retarded.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Varios Los Aztecas

[Phyxsius-]

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

How many people are MENSA members versus how many people in the world?

[rlr149]

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

Called using my brain... you want to keep customers who bought shark cards, not make them regret it.

 

people are reporting getting it back after providing confirmation. there ARE issues with security of the game so confirmation is a good move on R*'s part.

also OP doesn't have this problem as shown by others

[deanstroyer]

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

[Wheeling and Dealing]

 

 

 

 

Yes, and all they had to do was make sure anyone who purchased a shark card atleast had their inital purchase back when they *fixed the money glitching... problem solved, so yes negligence. If you cant decipher then do not take a drastic measure when other solutions exist that can do less harm but still mantain the overall goal.

how do you find the time to be an expert software coder AND a lawyer, AND play GTA, AND spend time giving your expert opinion on forums about all these things?

Called using my brain... you want to keep customers who bought shark cards, not make them regret it.

 

people are reporting getting it back after providing confirmation. there ARE issues with security of the game so confirmation is a good move on R*'s part.

also OP doesn't have this problem as shown by others

I didnt even buy a cash card. I was just giving my opinion on the situation. Good to know rockstar's support is at least working with their customers.

[Shootinalloveryourface]

 

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

 

How many people are MENSA members versus how many people in the world?

I don't know.

[Phyxsius-]

 

 

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

How many people are MENSA members versus how many people in the world?

I don't know.

 

http://www.mensa.org/about-us#members <--- 110.000

 

Was more of a rethorical question aimed at the percentage of imbeciles in the world and forums in special.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Phyxsius-

[Shootinalloveryourface]

 

 

 

Why do the stupid threads become so popular.

 

How many people are MENSA members versus how many people in the world?

I don't know.

 

http://www.mensa.org/about-us#members <--- 110.000

 

Was more of a rethorical question aimed at the percentage of imbeciles in the world and forums in special.

That is true, though the stupidity levels in these forums is far, far below what is required for MENSA membership.

[CrazyRay]

OP is expecting us to actually believe he was gifted millions and only spent $500k of it

[Omnifarious]

Nvm.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Omnifarious

[Immortality47]

Companies have themselves covered pretty well with the boilerplate ToS that you agree to when you play the game. Often you will agree to arbitration before you are allowed to even sue the company. Then, if you do get past arbitration and do not agree with the outcome, you sue in the jurisdiction which you agreed to in the ToS. In this case it would be in the State of New York.

 

 

This Agreement is entered into in the State of New York and shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with, the laws of the State of New York, exclusive of its choice of law rules. You and the Company agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the state and federal courts sitting in the Borough of Manhattan in the City of New York in the State of New York, and waive any jurisdictional, venue, or inconvenient forum objections to such courts. You and the Company further agree as follows: (i) any claim brought to enforce this Agreement must be commenced within two (2) years of the cause of action accruing; (ii) no recovery may be sought or received for damages other than out-of-pocket expenses, except that the prevailing party will be entitled to costs and attorneys’ fees; and (iii) any claim must be brought individually and not consolidated as part of a group or class action complaint.

 

This is from R* legal regarding litigation issues.

 

Next you are going to actually have to prove that they committed fraud. You are the plaintiff so it's on you, not R*, to prove the elements of fraud. Here, I'll even give you this to help you get started.

 

 

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

 

No attorney is going to take a case like this. It's not worth their time to even talk to you (unless you plan on giving them a $10K retainer) about you being "defrauded" by R* over a $20 card. Just stop crying about it and use the ingame system to complain to R*. If you have a legitimate claim and really didn't use the hacked money R* will fix it. R* sold over $1B GTAV in three days. I don't think they really care if they have to put $20 worth of GTA money back in your account.