A-Wax8 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 For Michael it's clear, he has to suck Steve Haines and Devin Westons dicks, but Franklin and Trevor? A gangmember would never work for the cops, at first it is maybe a bit understandable because Michael gave him the opportunity with the Jewelery Heist but then again and again and no f*cking money for that? Trevor hates cops over everything, it's not crystal meth clear for me too what motivates him to do it over and over again. In this aspect, the story is bad written, too forced to have three very different playable characters at the same time IMO. Official General, daliakiller, bensons and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detective Phelps Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The Fib threatened Mike that if they didn't cooperate, F and T would be eliminated. The feds also keep tabs on em' as well. So they can be imprisoned as well. Luuk', SingularSoul, DeafMetal and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_B_The Basedgod Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 ^yep they threaten t send G-men to franklins aunts house, and all of their lives are in jeopardy if they don't cooperate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Wax8 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 ok... when is this said? And Trevor? The police is after him all the time either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. Geralt of Rivia, Luuk', œaœa and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy cat meme Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. This guy. This guy has it right all the way through. Listen to him OP, not to the other 2 posters on which I won't say they are full of sh*t because the mods won't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_B_The Basedgod Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 im full of sh*t? dave Norton DIDNT say he was gonna send G-men to franklins house? ill wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Trevor's involved because he hasn't seen or contacted Michael in 10 years, so he wants know what he's upto. He treats Mike like a dirtbag because he is working with the FIB and he has suspicions that there was a plot against him. ^ @Lil-B: Actually, it was Steve Haines who said that. Not Dave. Michael was forced to work for them. Edited January 18, 2014 by FranklinDeRoosevelt grumpy cat meme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Wax8 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 Trevor said sth about Brad before the first FIB mission, maybe he hoped to get him out of jail with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Steve slips that in. The whole thing with Steve is that Dave is about 2000% times more competent than Steve, who ****s everything up by going with threats against very dangerous men. Like every other syllable. Things started relatively friendly, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
œaœa Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. The pursuit of the almighty dollar thing makes more sense now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Steve slips that in. The whole thing with Steve is that Dave is about 2000% times more competent than Steve, who ****s everything up by going with threats against very dangerous men. Like every other syllable. Things started relatively friendly, though. Dave is technically the good guy actually. He helped Michael and in return Michael helped him although he had to work for those noobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Steve slips that in. The whole thing with Steve is that Dave is about 2000% times more competent than Steve, who ****s everything up by going with threats against very dangerous men. Like every other syllable. Things started relatively friendly, though. Dave is technically the good guy actually. He helped Michael and in return Michael helped him although he had to work for those noobs. The most horrifying thing is Dave and Steve are the least corrupt division of the FIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranklinDeRoosevelt Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if Steve slips that in. The whole thing with Steve is that Dave is about 2000% times more competent than Steve, who ****s everything up by going with threats against very dangerous men. Like every other syllable. Things started relatively friendly, though. Dave is technically the good guy actually. He helped Michael and in return Michael helped him although he had to work for those noobs. The most horrifying thing is Dave and Steve are the least corrupt division of the FIB. But Steve isn't. He's just using that excuse to use Michael. That is why he is such a c*nt fa**ot. I hate his character so much, but it was portrayed very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_B_The Basedgod Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 No, actually dave did say it. I know what im talking about... @4:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. The pursuit of the almighty dollar thing makes more sense now.. @ sibs44 No way bro. The " pursuit of the almighty dollar " theme was totally lost among all that corrupt law enforcement tangled mess of a plot, which also, unfortunately happened to dominate the whole story too. Edited January 19, 2014 by Official General Niobium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 @ sibs44 No way bro. The " pursuit of the almighty dollar " theme was totally lost among all that corrupt law enforcement tangled mess of a plot, which also, unfortunately happened to dominate the whole story too. I disagree, There's a larger theme about actions and consequences throughout the game as well. Working for the FIB is Michael attempting to dig himself out of a hole created by all of his years of bank robbery and cheating. There's also his attempts to get out of the hole he digs with Madroza and other figures too. In the end, the only way they can dig themselves out of the whole is by cutting the knot of their ties in GTA fashion--or dying. codename_duchess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) @ sibs44 No way bro. The " pursuit of the almighty dollar " theme was totally lost among all that corrupt law enforcement tangled mess of a plot, which also, unfortunately happened to dominate the whole story too. I disagree, There's a larger theme about actions and consequences throughout the game as well. Working for the FIB is Michael attempting to dig himself out of a hole created by all of his years of bank robbery and cheating. There's also his attempts to get out of the hole he digs with Madroza and other figures too. In the end, the only way they can dig themselves out of the whole is by cutting the knot of their ties in GTA fashion--or dying. Sorry, but i cannot see it from your angle. All of what you describe still does not really feel to me like I was in strong pursuit of the dollar while playing the game (except with Franklin to some small extent). I don't know, but I just was not getting that. To me, most of the story just seemed to be about this stupid rivalry between the FIB, IAA and Merryweather that I did not really care about. If it was supposed to be some clever, deep way of conveying the message by Rockstar, then it failed with me. Edited January 19, 2014 by Official General Algonquin Assassin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smith John Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 A gangmember would never work for the cops, So you've never played San Andreas then?... bash the fash m8s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Sorry, but i cannot see it from your angle. All of what you describe still does not really feel to me like I was in strong pursuit of the dollar while playing the game (except with Franklin to some small extent). I don't know, but I just was not getting that. To me, most of the story just seemed to be about this stupid rivalry between the FIB, IAA and Merryweather that I did not really care about. If it was supposed to be some clever, deep way of conveying the message by Rockstar, then it failed with me. Well, they're bank robbers and can't ever retire as long as they're wanted criminals. So, their money is worthless until they can go legit. However, there's two themes to the game and achieving money is only one of them. The other theme is sins of the past as we see with the constant focus on Trevor and Michael's psychodrama. A gangmember would never work for the cops, So you've never played San Andreas then?... Also, isn't it pretty clear Franklin considers gangs stupid? CJ, himself, was kind of iffy on the thing but did so out of loyalty. Franklin outright HATES gang culture. People who wanted to play a guy loyal to his gang should look elsewhere than Franklin. His only ties with the Families is through Lamar and that just cements his disdain. It helps the Families would sell Franklin and Lamar down the river for gain. Edited January 19, 2014 by Charles Phipps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_B_The Basedgod Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 franklin hates gang culture? are you serious? he doesn't hate gangs, he hates not getting money for the sh*t he does in the hood. he even said himself, he wouldn't mind gangbanging if it paid right...what game did u play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 franklin hates gang culture? are you serious? he doesn't hate gangs, he hates not getting money for the sh*t he does in the hood. he even said himself, he wouldn't mind gangbanging if it paid right...what game did u play? The mission where Franklin talks to Lamar about how their dream was always to escape the hood and how Stretch set them up. How he speaks to Stretch and that he thinks it's pathetic he's still doing what he's doing. How the first mission is how Franklin is glad to be out of it. The low pay may be part of the reason Franklin hates gang culture, IMHO, but it's a reason. So is the lack of loyalty, the danger, and the constant fighting. Itzreality and Geralt of Rivia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil_B_The Basedgod Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Those are the reasons him and Lamar made their own set, the forum drive gangsters, so he wouldn't have to put up with that sh*t. But I guess you are right... If he TRULY wanted to be a gangbanger all his life like his dumbass friends, he would've. He was smart and left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The next addition to the story mode most likely solve a lot of unanswered questions. At first, as many agree story really feels a rushed work, but now it seems rockstar definitely wants to surprise us with some twists to bring the attention of the players into the game again with so much time has passed already. Cuexcomate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. This is spot on, except the Trevor bit. He's doing sh*t for the FIB for two reasons: To keep an eye on Michael, and in hopes that these dirty agents can help spring Brad from prison. Other than that, this is exactly why the three of them are working with the FIB. I don't know why so many people complain and claim the story makes no sense, when it absolutely does. And there is nothing wrong with the FIB storyline. I guess all the "tough gangsters" on this forum just can't stand having to do dirty work for "some pigs." The missions were fun and varied on top of that. Luuk' and dyspoid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyspoid Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Trevor knew that working with a corrupt, powerful government organisation could provide him with powerful favours. Such as getting his pal, Brad, outta prison. That, and the fact that (as others have stated) you cannot really deny a group of assholes, when they have evidence and intel required to arrest or kill anyone they do not like. As we know, it really isn't a question of "What was T getting himself into?", but rather, what were the FIB getting themselves into by working with T. Btw: working for Dave was not problematic - I do not think that any of the characters could really place anything against his character (he may not be a shining example of moral decency), for he was no worse than T, M or F I hope we see him again. He could actually be a decent lead in a DLC. Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. This is spot on, except the Trevor bit. He's doing sh*t for the FIB for two reasons: To keep an eye on Michael, and in hopes that these dirty agents can help spring Brad from prison. Other than that, this is exactly why the three of them are working with the FIB. I don't know why so many people complain and claim the story makes no sense, when it absolutely does. And there is nothing wrong with the FIB storyline. I guess all the "tough gangsters" on this forum just can't stand having to do dirty work for "some pigs." The missions were fun and varied on top of that. Do not worry about the naysayers, logic is not distributed equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Arthur Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Trevor worked for the FIB because he thought that they would commute Brad's sentence when he did those jobs for them. Franklin worked for the FIB because he said he wanted to help Michael since Michael helped him get a lot of money. Edited January 19, 2014 by Gta_V_Fan_101 lol232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Phipps Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Actually, that's not it. When this is all first starting, Michael invites Franklin to meet with him on a hilltop and says that there's a bunch of stuff going down with the FIB. Michael tries to warn Franklin away but this is after the jewelry store heist and the latter is feeling really loyal to Michael. Franklin offers to help Michael get out of his FIB troubles because, and I quote, Franklin has never made so much "paper" in his entirety of street hustling. Michael and Franklin then meet up with the FIB at the junkyard only for Steve and Dave to spring Trevor on them. Why Trevor agreed, we never know. I suspect it was because Trevor wanted to find out more about Michael's relationship to the FIB. Also, bluntly, it was a chance to do some mayhem. This is spot on, except the Trevor bit. He's doing sh*t for the FIB for two reasons: To keep an eye on Michael, and in hopes that these dirty agents can help spring Brad from prison. Other than that, this is exactly why the three of them are working with the FIB. I don't know why so many people complain and claim the story makes no sense, when it absolutely does. And there is nothing wrong with the FIB storyline. I guess all the "tough gangsters" on this forum just can't stand having to do dirty work for "some pigs." The missions were fun and varied on top of that. I was more upset there was no big conclusion to the story. I expected to be able to go attack the IAA's LA headquarters and take it down. Ditto, Haines and company in a big cinematic mission. Merryweather also seemed underused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) @ cp1dell I don't know why so many people complain and claim the story makes no sense, when it absolutely does. And there is nothing wrong with the FIB storyline. I guess all the "tough gangsters" on this forum just can't stand having to do dirty work for "some pigs." The missions were fun and varied on top of that. It's not that the story don't make sense. The problem many people have with the story, is that it seems poorly written, badly structured and put together. The main theme of the game was touted by Rockstar as being about " the pursuit of the almighty dollar" through big-time heists - but yet many people, including myself did not get that vibe, to us, it just felt like half of the game was about working for corrupt federal and government agents, and that was not what we ideally had in mind, and it was not what we were looking forward to. Maybe to you and others, there was nothing wrong with the FIB storyline, and that is great, at least you all got enjoyment out of it. But what I have stated above clearly underscores why many people thought there was something wrong with it. It's understandable why many people were not feeling it, just because you thought it was good, it don't mean everyone should go along with what you personally certify to be good. And it's nothing to do with to being a "tough gangster" and not wanting to work for cops in the game. The huge popularity of GTA is rooted in the fact that it's always been a game primarily about a gangster or career criminal that has dealings with the criminal underworld, not being in the constant employ of federal agents and doing their dirty work. Some of the missions might have fun to begin with, but when you spend a lot of time doing big heists for the feds and not getting much money for it, or just simply carrying out Marines/Special Forces-style missions because the feds ask you to, it's not hard to see why if you begin to feel this game does not really feel like GTA. And that for many, takes out the fun of these missions - it's like, "this all cool and all, but it's not really expressed in the way I expected and wanted it to be". That's the best way I can put it for now. Edited January 19, 2014 by Official General Itzreality, A-Wax8 and cp1dell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol232 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 They worked for the FIB because they forced them. Dave said he will send G-men to Franklin's aunt's house, and they invited Trevor themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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