S1LV3R_W0LF Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Ok first of all you know I'm a veteran in these forums, I'm registered for long time and I never went against the rules. And you can see by my posting History that I rarely create threads, in fact since I'm registered here I created like 5 or 6 threads at max. I know this most likely will get locked and ignored as usual, but I'm not going against any rules or being rude so I have to say it a way or another. You probably are tired to know this taking into account the number of times I said it, that I've been mod and Admin of forums for more then 10 years, right now I'm "retired" and I'm just Admin of one, helping a friend, but at one time I was Admin of 3, Mod of 2 and Board Admin of an Online Game that also included Admin functions in a forum (National and International Forums). I once criticized one mod for his work and I don't know if it was because of that but I never saw him back again. So I have to say this, why the hell did you lock the PC thread? Seriously you are mods your task is to moderate the community and make them follow the rules, you let a bunch of pricks behave like kindergarten kids without punishing them, all you do is "behave or I'll lock it", ACT, do your job. Give them a first warning, if they do it again do something harsher and if they keep it just give them a temp ban to cool off. If you make a few examples it's guaranteed that it won't keep going for much longer, this is the same as the society if you want to be part of it you have to follow the rules, if you disobey them you're fined or jailed and this is how you should do here. Open the thread and ACT, MODERATE IT, make people follow the rules if they don't just take the actions needed but don't lock it, by doing it you're just giving the idiot trolls what they want, all the whinny idiots that go there to mess up talking about their consoles don't belong there and are just there to flame people and the mods are falling for it. All I'm asking is to do what you accepted to do when you accepted that fancy forum title. Show authority and you'll get respected, fall for their BS and this will be a constant anarchy. We we're only allowed to have one PC thread, a place to talk about PC's and the V version for it, and now even that thread is locked because Mods decided that after accepting to be mods that they didn't want to carry the consequences of it. I hope this makes you think at least. Regards. Edited January 18, 2014 by S1LV3R_W0LF BS_BlackScout, TaviColen123, Irrational and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt of Rivia Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm pretty sure it's because everyone was participating in it. It wasn't just one or two people. **I could be wrong, I only had a quick glimpse** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy78 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) obviously for the mods locking threads is the easy path, instead of actually doing something and get the people who ruin the thread. so what, all it takes is a couple of dudes thinking "okay, looks like a pretty popular thread. maybe I should say sh*t that will make some people angry and start a online fight" to get the thread locked and ruined for everyone? seriously? Edited January 18, 2014 by niceguy78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1LV3R_W0LF Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 I know and I'm not here to mock their work, I'm just asking them to do what they are supposed to do, please don't turn this into a hate thread. I'd send a PM but I don't know to who. So let's keep this civilized and hope that Mods answer it and we get into an agreement. MisterBubbles and BS_BlackScout 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnano Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Because of the sh*tstains that kept bashing console players regardless of their stance in PC gaming, you can thank them. Also no news yet. Captain Arthur, Bitches_Brew and jatiger13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 There's no real news about a PC Version yet, and nothing to speculate on. It also seems to me people just kept going in there to rile people up and start a Console vs PC argument. I'm disappointed some people only got temp bans. I think we'd be much better off if we just got rid of all the trolls. Anyways, it's not a surprise the thread got locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1LV3R_W0LF Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Yes it wasn't but didn't had to be that way. So If i decide to act like them I'll create a new account and get inside every thread and flame everyone and everything and wait that the thread gets locked. This is wrong, this is not the way to do things. _________________ So a mod had the time to move the thread to this forgotten hole but didn't had the guts to say something about it? You let a load of offtopics in the V section without moving them to their respective sections, like online or gameplay, and you move this thread to this forgotten place? Wow... amazing job, this Forum will go far with this staff. Edited January 18, 2014 by S1LV3R_W0LF MisterBubbles, BS_BlackScout and TaviColen123 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raavi Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The PC discussion thread was locked after numerous very clear warnings had been placed in the thread and countless disciplinary actions were taken, unfortunately all this fell into deaf ears, and quite a number of members continued where others left of, some even one-upped their predecessors (Don't worry, they've been dealt with accordingly). Trolling, flaming, spamming and other tripe ran rampant in that thread. Which isn't all that much of a surprise considering there was nothing to discuss to begin with. Rockstar hasn't even confirmed, let alone put up an announcement for the what we now can only brand as alleged PC version. We'll re-open/open a new thread when there is actually something tangible to discuss. Bonnano, Osho, Bitches_Brew and 1 other 4 – overeducated wonk who fetishises compromise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydianduck Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) The system is flawed; It ruined things for everybody. Instead of just checking the thread periodically and deleting overly-aggressive comments, they just take the lazy approach and lock it, which ends up affecting people who didn't really do anything... Whether there is something tangible to discuss or not, it was a place for people to discuss gta pc related stuff and speculate about different things. It made me sad to see it closed. Edited January 18, 2014 by Brainsick StormerBoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1LV3R_W0LF Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) So thats it, you let trolls win.... ok. If you act accordingly with each one of them they can't keep up trolling and like I said make a few examples and everyone else will stop. But ok, your forum, your rules. I guess I'll take a break from this forum then, there is nothing here for me any longer, other then whining and spoilers. I'll be back when the thread is re-opened or when there is any "tangible" reasons. Thanks for your time. Edited January 18, 2014 by S1LV3R_W0LF UnderMeister, MisterBubbles, A J and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirsty Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Unfortunately there comes a time when we have to close the door on topics like that. To suggest that we simply delete the trolling comments, well what about those from people like yourselves who continue to reply to them? The topic was constantly being reported for bashing, flaming and spam from both sides of the argument and it has been locked only now after several warnings. Why should we let a topic continue that attracts posts from people who constantly think they are above the rules here? Just let the dust settle and perhaps the decision will be reconsidered, but don't start attacking staff for members' inability not to reply to flamebait. Bitches_Brew, Raavi, Girish and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzant Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The PC version of GTAV has gone on and on. There's nothing left to discuss at this point. There is literally nothing left to even discuss. There's nothing but spam posts and flaming. You honestly cannot expect the staff to inspect every post about a PC port. It's honestly just a spam thread in the end. When and if any real news about a PC port is announced there will be a topic about that. Bitches_Brew and Bonnano 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The PC thread was always on the end of collapse. The same subjects being discussed over and over again, flame wars between console gamers and PC gamers. Take a look at the last few pages, things began to get out of hand. I'm sure the mods have locked only for a while and while re-open it after sometime, if the announcement comes, a new forum dedicated to the PC version will be created. Honestly there was nothing left to discuss there, just spam after spam. And this coming from a regular in the topic. It'll definitely be unlocked anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBubbles Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I enter the gtaforums only in the PC thread and read the news. I'll have to start reading news elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_BlackScout Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I enter the gtaforums only in the PC thread and read the news. I'll have to start reading news elsewhere. I believe lots of people registered just because of this topic, I think most of them quit... Yeah, unfortunately we lost in this point : / I hope when something really important from GTA V PC Version comes *like the PC Announcement*, the thread will be re-opened or a new subforum will be created to discuss many other things about it. In the meantime we must wait for R* to say something. I don't feel that locking the thread was BEST the solution to this problem... That's generating more topics about proofs and, sometimes most of them are old proof... The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one. -GLaDOS It just created more work to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadmiral Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Certain topics get derailed by so many trolls that it is easier to lock the thread and stifle discussion rather than moderate the people who continually disrupt it. It happened to a thread of mine and I was pretty disappointed, but I do understand why they take that course of action. I AM SORRY ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEO, BUT MY WEBCAM IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The reasons for locking some threads on this forum occasionally appears to be completely random and have no reason or explanation. I can only assume some of the staff have taken the Burroughs quote of 'If you can't be just, be arbitrary' a little too seriously. theadmiral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitches_Brew Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The reasons for locking some threads on this forum occasionally appears to be completely random and have no reason or explanation. I can only assume some of the staff have taken the Burroughs quote of 'If you can't be just, be arbitrary' a little too seriously. show robert johnson some respect man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I agree with Raavi. They will allow us to talk about PC when the time is right. There is no announcement so we have nothing much to discuss about anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope_0110 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I enter the gtaforums only in the PC thread and read the news. I'll have to start reading news elsewhere. And what news would those be? There's not a single piece of info from Rockstar on the subject, and even other websites don't speculate too much, and when they do all they do is just that.. speculate. For the time being there isn't much to discuss and someone said above and that's fine if locking it will keep a few heads cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipsta Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I hope they unlock it. Where can we discuss it now?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loony979 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Im glad some 1 has stepped up to this. Tho with out instantly thinking im going to start (im not) ive been a member for quit some time now . Volume: When i 1st started out (19 May 2010) this forum was ,well very well handled the members where very keen to help a fellow gamer & so was the Mods/Admins ,Since the time of GTA V has came to light we all knew this was going to be big Very Big. In fact it has arisen to a level where the Volume of New/old members are a hard bunch to control that i has seen a new bunch of Mods/Admins come to light ,These & Past staff are doing there very best to police (if i may say) this forum .GTA V is a Milestone for the whole GTA Community/fans . Dealing with such a Volume is very hard/stressfull i can see this very clearly in some Mods/Admins responses . I for 1 feel you're pain in this . Unfortunately this Milestone game again so to speak is going to take years be for it calms down . Therefore If you guys decide to place more Mods/Admins in to this forum dedicated to the GTA V section i truly think it will calm the members down to a point of Well i can start trouble & some times get away with it .This will decrease in time .You guys run this forum well in fact very well throw my eyes . My self in fact have not been doing very much posting in this forum ,only in the Technology section of the forum . Not long ago i replied to a topic ,i did not read it all correctly (My Fault ill except that) & got into trouble (was told - Loony, please wind your neck in.) Then i noticed OK some thing is wrong here i re-read the topic & noticed i made a fatal mistake by not reading it properly . I then said to the topic stater that ill help in every way i can. As you can see things get taken into account very quickly .i for 1 have done this in the topic i talked about b4 . P.S. no im not by all means typing to become a Forum mod/admin ,NO: 1 it would be so much work ,im not sure i would be able to do it 100% . Think im drifting away from this topic a bit Sorry if i have. Im truly sorry bout what im about to say i can understand the whole PC part for GTA V ,i for 1 am a Big fan of pc gaming i only game on it. For the PC thread being Locked was a thing that needed to be done lets face 1 Very true fact , Us gamers are not Uniting amongst 1 and another (as we once did many years ago) yet we are all dividing - pc vs console . We all should stand as & be as 1 . Locking this thread will settle it down & was a good call to do so . To all mod/admins you are doing Wonders in this place with the high Volume we are seeing these days it's great to to see the Forum Expand like it has .Keep up the great work. Sorry for the long post ,think it is the longest post ive ever done in this place haha . Kind Regards loony979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I agree with Raavi. They will allow us to talk about PC when the time is right. There is no announcement so we have nothing much to discuss about anyways Taking your last line, the whole thread shouldn't exist in the first place. There isn't an announcement now, just as there wasn't one when the original thread was opened. It wasn't a reason to lock that thread than, and so that particular reason isn't a valid one for closing it now. Not claiming there isn't a valid reason, but it isn't the no announcement one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osho Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Taking your last line, the whole thread shouldn't exist in the first place. There isn't an announcement now, just as there wasn't one when the original thread was opened. It wasn't a reason to lock that thread than, and so that particular reason isn't a valid one for closing it now. Not claiming there isn't a valid reason, but it isn't the no announcement one. You misunderstood me. I only meant to say that it's of no use to re-open a thread with nothing new to discuss. As soon we have an announcement Mods will open it or start a new one even before any one asks for it. For general PC discussions, there is a section for it. Please, don't get me wrong, I'll be more than glad to support you guys in having a PC discussion thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Taking your last line, the whole thread shouldn't exist in the first place. There isn't an announcement now, just as there wasn't one when the original thread was opened. It wasn't a reason to lock that thread than, and so that particular reason isn't a valid one for closing it now. Not claiming there isn't a valid reason, but it isn't the no announcement one. You misunderstood me. I only meant to say that it's of no use to re-open a thread with nothing new to discuss. As soon we have an announcement Mods will open it or start a new one even before any one asks for it. For general PC discussions, there is a section for it. Please, don't get me wrong, I'll be more than glad to support you guys in having a PC discussion thread. Fair enough, maybe I should have worded it differently, as during the course of both threads, there really wasn't anything new to discuss. I do understand the rationale behind closing it though. The thread was used to discuss rumors regarding release, it was used to discuss the franchise as a whole and it was used to discuss PC gaming as a whole. I am sure that if this discussion would be done in a mature way, the thread would still ne open. I can understand moderators becoming fed up with immature behavior and saw no valid reason to keep it open any longer. Some of the participants are to blame for that, not the moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polish_Trucker Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Basically what everyone else said above. It was just a thread to magnetize spam/console wars/flaming etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBrick142 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The system is flawed; It ruined things for everybody. Instead of just checking the thread periodically and deleting overly-aggressive comments, they just take the lazy approach and lock it, which ends up affecting people who didn't really do anything... Whether there is something tangible to discuss or not, it was a place for people to discuss gta pc related stuff and speculate about different things. It made me sad to see it closed. You sure? 117 Posts were removed and it was still getting derailed. It was locked twice to cool off the spam and nobody learned so a lock is better. Andreas and Vercetti42 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) I think the screenshot Wildbrick provided speaks for itself. Those 117 posts that got removed are just from this very topic, it's 230 posts in the previous topic since the major forum update. If you considered all posts that have ever been removed in both topics, we would probably speak about thousand(s) posts in total. This does not include the ones whose content has only been edited out, which I did half of the time. Now think about the amount of times forum leaders and mods stepped in to tell everyone involved to stop this. The worst thing about it is that many users who complain about the arguments, trolls, spam, and so on, are often the ones who tend to respond to these posts, rather then reporting the offender and moving on. And you are really surprised that the topic got locked? I am a PC gamer myself and would like to have at least one topic about GTAV on PC, but, to be honest, everything gets repeated over and over again, and the majority of PC topics that were posted in the last couple of years or so ended the same way the recent V PC topic did. All these topics do is causing a mass of reports. If there is actually something to discuss about, for example once Rockstar finally announces the game for the PC, then there will be a new topic or perhaps even an entire section dedicated to the PC version. Edited January 18, 2014 by Andreas WildBrick142 and Vercetti42 2 GTAForums Crew Chat Thread - The Sharks Chat Thread - Leone Family Mafia Chat Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti42 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) I think the screenshot Wildbrick provided speaks for itself. Those 117 posts that got removed are just from this very topic, it's 230 posts in the previous topic since the major forum update. If you considered all posts that have ever been removed in both topics, we would probably speak about thousand(s) posts in total. This does not include the ones whose content has only been edited out, which I did half of the time. Now think about the amount of times forum leaders and mods stepped in to tell everyone involved to stop this. The worst thing about it is that many users who complain about the arguments, trolls, spam, and so on, are often the ones who tend to respond to these posts, rather then reporting the offender and moving on. And you are really surprised that the topic got locked? I am a PC gamer myself and would like to have at least one topic about GTAV on PC, but, to be honest, everything gets repeated over and over again, and the majority of PC topics that were posted in the last couple of years or so ended the same way the recent V PC topic did. All these topics do is causing a mass of reports. If there is actually something to discuss about, for example once Rockstar finally announces the game for the PC, then there will be a new topic or perhaps even an entire section dedicated to the PC version. This. In the end even the posting status of the regulars declined. 'PC master race' comments, the regulars started replying to obvious trolls, console VS PC gaming comparisons and the same subjects being repeatedly discussed over and over again when there was nothing more to discuss. Ex: The fake video, which was obvious it was so fake from the start was still being discussed. Discussions without personal insults were a rarity in that thread. Once the announcement is made a new forum will be created. It can't be far away now anyways. Also using the excuse that you were on the forum only for that topic for it to be unlocked is not right. It's locked for it's own good. Edited January 18, 2014 by AceKingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormerBoy Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Sorry but I think S1LV3R_W0LF, has touched on something here. I completely understand why the topic had to be locked, and probably would agree that it was the right decision. But you have to ask, what was the route cause of that thread becoming problematic, and countless other aspects of this board being as they are? Poor leadership. It's a culture that needs to change. This board is poorly managed, and I don't blame the moderators. The administrators show no visible presence and they are ultimately accountable for the way the board is run. Any board is a community and they are all the same, regardless of their subject. There is no love on this board, even at times when there is no hate, there is still no love. You need to change the culture, and it must start at the top with some strong leadership. And don't anyone start with any of that 'this is a free service crap'. I could run a soup kitchen as a free service, but would that make it morally acceptable for me to serve food on dirty crockery in an unsafe environment? No. And I don't want to hear about how the administrators are working crazy hours behind the scenes to bring new features. We don't need new features. What we need is strong and visible leadership. A quick win would be to have a 'site news' forum where upcoming changes are communicated. Instead of things being pounced on people as if we are too inferior to be allowed to know what's going on. And ask for members feedback, even if you don't agree with it, just ask what we think so we feel appreciated. Thank us for being here, earn our respect. I honestly don't doubt that the moderators are doing the best they can, it is all they know. Their hearts are in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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