Do you believe in GOD?

[Secura]

 

How stipid thread. Of course, i do.

I'd like ask why exactly you believe that this thread is "stupid" as you so eloquently put it.

Do you believe in electricity?

No, I can see electricity in action right now as I type this, belief is something that should be reserved for things that aren't proven facts. Electricity exists, that is proven fact. God existing however is entirely different story.

 

So the observable existence of electricity renders your point superfluous.

Edited July 7, 2013 by Lightning Strike

[Crewnordin]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God? Did god create himself? Was he there all the time? The point is,, this world is illogical. What if there is another world and they have completely different theories(hypothetically spreaking), who is right? You can"t proof what is beyond our mind. I see god as money,, money is worthless but the people make it worth a lot.

[E.A.B.]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God? Did god create himself? Was he there all the time?

God was the force that set about the Big Bang

 

I don't believe that, but it's always fun to mix religion and science

[Secura]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God?

Man.

[Ferocious Banger]

 

No, I can see electricity in action right now

 

I can see God in action right now. You can't see it. I can.

 

Like electricity, only when you feel it will you be able to see the existence of it.

 

 

So the observable existence of electricity renders your point superfluous.

 

..And I can observe it. The thing is, God isn't as simple as electricity is. All you need to do is do a thorough investigation of God. You should in no way be biased.

 

It is very much like how you don't realise what you're looking at when you're in deep thought. The object /wall is there and even your brain has received the signals; but you don't realise it. Why? You've subconsciously detached your visual sense momentarily.

 

To find God, try to detach yourself from the six senses. Meditate your way to lose the "I" in you. Lose other thoughts too. You have a chance of finding God at that state.

 

Human brain doesn't understand the absolute. Everything is relative. God is absolute. :-)

 

Absence of evidence in front of your eyes isn't the evidence of absence.

Edited July 7, 2013 by Ferocious Banger

[Wolf of Badenoch]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God?

Man.

Man's imagination, to be more precise.

[sivispacem]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God? Did god create himself?

According to the logic of people like Grandmaster Smith, everything in the universe and outside of it requires a sentient creator, apart from God. Which is one of a whole menagerie of glaring flaws and omissions in his logic.

[RedDagger]

 

No, if it can't be proven with scientific facts and methods, it can't exist.

That's a bit...blunt, wouldn't you say?

 

I'd just like to say that the evolution of dinosaurs and even time itself have never been 'proven'. Sure, it's a certainty to most people that both are true including me, but they have not, and possibly will not (decaying fossil evidence/the nature of time), be 'proven' to exist.

(I may be wrong here, feel free to correct me)

 

You could think of other universes - we can't test for them or even necessarily prove them, but they could still exist.

 

Food for thought.

[somedude224]

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God?

Man.

Man's imagination, to be more precise.

What happened to respect? Pretty sure that's disrespectful.

 

Yes, I do. But I respect all religious views.

[Ferocious Banger]

That's not a fair comparison. There's a great amount of evidence for electricity. However, the only proof for the existence of a god is some ancient scripture as far as i know, which clearly isn't enough.

 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed. It can't be seen

 

 

God can only be observed; not "seen ".

[I cucked Alex Jones]

That's not a fair comparison. There's a great amount of evidence for electricity. However, the only proof for the existence of a god is some ancient scripture as far as i know, which clearly isn't enough.

 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"  - Carl Sagan

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed. It can't be seen

 

 

God can only be observed; not "seen ".

Post your observations of god(s).

[Typhus]

Question - let us say that God exists and he is immortal. Do you think any being could maintain sentience if they could never die or age? I have often pondered the concept of immortality and arrived at the conclusion that any being who lived forever would eventually lose both their sense of identity and their ability to experience any sensation - whether it be pain or pleasure.

Therefore, an immortal being would eventually become immobile and in a state of living death - much like a tree.

 

Even if God existed and he was immortal, I maintain that the effect of immortality would eventually render him apathetic and powerless.

[Distrom]

 

That's not a fair comparison. There's a great amount of evidence for electricity. However, the only proof for the existence of a god is some ancient scripture as far as i know, which clearly isn't enough.

 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"  - Carl Sagan

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed. It can't be seen

 

 

God can only be observed; not "seen ".

Trying to prove or sustain the existance of God with electricity is plain stupid, sorry.

It's like saying: "God Is like a million dollar, you can't see It, but you know it exists"

Doesn't makes sence, and It's not a valid point to sustain or prove God's existance itself.

[d0mm2k8]

What happened to respect? Pretty sure that's disrespectful.

Seriously, how was that disrespectful? What good reason is there to respect beliefs in the first place? The rhetoric of saying 'respect my beliefs' is just a cop out used by some people who can't support or back up their beliefs effectively. Others just resort to subjective personal feelings and bad comparisons (such as Ferocious Banger).

 

If you think your beliefs are justified, back them up rather than cry about how people aren't respecting your beliefs.

[The Pizza Delivery Guy]

That's not a fair comparison. There's a great amount of evidence for electricity. However, the only proof for the existence of a god is some ancient scripture as far as i know, which clearly isn't enough.

 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"  - Carl Sagan

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed. It can't be seen

 

 

God can only be observed; not "seen ".

Yeah, Electricity can't be seen. Makes sense.

 

Let me ask someone else... wouldn't you agree, Lightning Strike?

[sivispacem]

 

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed.  It can't be seen

Multiple things cannot be "seen", because they are not visible. The use of "seen" in this respect relates to empirical observation. The term "seen" relates solely to one of the five senses, whereas observation can apply to any of them.

 

Plus, electricity can be seen.

[Distrom]

 

That's not a fair comparison. There's a great amount of evidence for electricity. However, the only proof for the existence of a god is some ancient scripture as far as i know, which clearly isn't enough.

 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"  - Carl Sagan

As stated in my previous post, electricity can only be observed. It can't be seen

 

 

God can only be observed; not "seen ".

Yeah, Electricity can't be seen. Makes sense.

 

Let me ask someone else... wouldn't you agree, Lightning Strike?

Are you supporting this electricity BS?

and like sivispacem said, It indeed can be seen.

Now, I never saw God with with my eyes

I never heard God.

I never smelled God.

I never tasted God.

I never touched God.

How can I know it exists then, believing in the Bible?

Edited July 7, 2013 by Distrom

[Secura]

Ferocious Banger, please stop it's painful to watch.

[Narrow]

 

I can see God in action right now. You can't see it. I can.

 

I'm unsure how to feel about this, are you flaunting your superiority over me by saying that you can detect a being that is completely improvable, unfounded and entirely ridiculous. Yet you seem to take some strange sort of pride in your ability to fool yourself into believing that your imaginary friend is real, this is quite possibly one of the stupidest, idiotic and moronic things I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

 

 

 

..And I can observe it. The thing is, God isn't as simple as electricity is. All you need to do is do a thorough investigation of God. You should in no way be biased.

 

No, you can't. You're tricking yourself into believing that your imaginary friend is causing all of these events to happen when in fact they have a solid, logical reason for happening.

 

Firstly, no-one can do a thorough investigation of God seeing as God is a negative, something that is entirely improvable because there is no evidence whatsoever to support its actions or even its existence. So the fact that you say you can observe God is entirely illogical and you've provided no logical backing whatsoever to support your claims therefore I have no choice but to once again ridicule you for your naive and infantile beliefs.

 

Secondly, God is far, far simpler than electricity. The idea of God was created so as to protect the minds of those who were/are unwilling to accept the cold, harsh truth that existence is pointless and we have no clue what happens after death. God is an imaginary friend that only exists to protect your fragile and childlike mind, that is it God is no more complex than that because that is contrary to what he was designed to be. A simple answer to a complicated question.

 

Electricity however is far more complex, requiring a vast amount of knowledge and intellect to run and it's the world's biggest power source. From running your phone, to your houses lighting to even your stove (providing you cook with electric and not gas) it is insane how complex electricity is, almost infinitely more so than a magical best friend that controls everything and makes everything work out the way it does.

 

 

To find God, try to detach yourself from the six senses. Meditate your way to lose

the "I" in you. Lose other thoughts too. You have a chance of finding God at that state.

 

So in order for me to "find" God I must forgo all logic, lose the most basic of senses and remove myself entirely from the situation? No wonder religious people are so f*cked up. They've been f*cking indoctrinated into believing in a being that does not exist. You do realise how stupid that makes you sound right? The idea that basking in ignorance of everything around you moves you closer to God only helps further prove my point that he is nothing more than a childish diversion to make sure you don't have to question or worry about anything in life, because you can always pull out the "God made it that way" or "God works in mysterious ways" to validate your own ignorance.

 

Excuse me for saying this but isn't this rather, well pathetic? This sounds like something a lonely child with severe emotional issues would come up with, not a calm, rational adult that puts actual thought into what they think and say. You prove to us all in that one sentence that you really do need to suspend disbelief to even think of getting close to God, and in world where you need actual empirical evidence to prove your points you can quite clearly see how this wasn't ever going to fare well.

 

 

Human brain doesn't understand the absolute. Everything is relative. God is absolute. :-)

 

You yourself are human, yes? You're claiming that the human mind isn't developed enough to understand what an absolute is yet you immediately go on to say that God is an absolute. Now you're labeling a negative with idiocy and that's something that makes me feel a certain amount of pity for you, you really do believe this absolute nonsense about God, so much so that you've created these irrational, contradictory statements so as to further secure your belief in a nonexistent being.

 

You my friend are a sad, strange little man.

 

 

Absence of evidence in front of your eyes isn't the evidence of absence.

 

When I'm the one you're debating then yes, yes it is.

 

Also on a side note, you can actually see electricity...

[TurdsFTW]

I have a feeling that there is a god, but I absolutely hate people who bother me with their "PRAISE THE LAWD!!! IF YOU AREN'T CHRISTIAN YOU ARE A SATAN MINION!!!" crap.

 

 

It makes me want to become an atheist.

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

I have a question everyone has asked himself. Who created God? Did god create himself?

According to the logic of people like Grandmaster Smith, everything in the universe and outside of it requires a sentient creator, apart from God. Which is one of a whole menagerie of glaring flaws and omissions in his logic.

Sivis I'm not sure how many times I've explained this very concept to you specifically yet you still misunderstand it.

 

 

Anything that begins to exist requires a cause, whether it's a car, a star, the moon or the universe, if there was a specific point in time that it began to exist, it requires a cause.

 

On the other hand if something is eternal, meaning having no end nor beginning, obviously it would not and could not require a cause because it has always existed.

 

 

 

 

Question - let us say that God exists and he is immortal. Do you think any being could maintain sentience if they could never die or age? I have often pondered the concept of immortality and arrived at the conclusion that any being who lived forever would eventually lose both their sense of identity and their ability to experience any sensation - whether it be pain or pleasure.

Therefore, an immortal being would eventually become immobile and in a state of living death - much like a tree.

 

Even if God existed and he was immortal, I maintain that the effect of immortality would eventually render him apathetic and powerless.

 

 

 

I do not understand how you reached that conclusion at all.. I think why you come to strange conclusions like this is because you're imagining god as being a materialistic being.

Edited July 7, 2013 by GrandMaster Smith

[El Dildo]

 

when it comes to God there is no way of proving he isn't real.

which is exactly why it's so silly for people to base their entire lives around religion.

if I based my entire life around a magical pet rock named 'Bob' who lived on a planet millions of lightyears away, you'd think that's silly too. but hey, you cannot disprove Bob's existence

 

I wouldn't expect someone to respect my belief in something as ridiculous as Bob, which is why I don't feel the need to respect other people's beliefs in something as ridiculous as God. irrational and unprovable beliefs (especially those which are completely unfalsifiable) do not warrant automatic respect.

 

the only thing they warrant is harsh criticism.

extraordinary claims (the kind that religious people make) should require extraordinary evidence... but of course we already know that religious belief has no evidence.

 

 

By being a catholic it doesn't mean I agree with 100% of what the church proposes. Heck, I agree with you on those three points.

then why are you Catholic?

 

you've proving my point. this is ridiculous.

people just cherry pick their religious beliefs. they believe in the parts of religion that they want to believe in while ignoring the parts that they don't want to believe in.

 

if religion was serious and god was real, then you couldn't just go around cherry picking your religious beliefs.

if the Bible is the word of god - the all knowing and all powerful creator of everything - then it is infallible and unchangeable.

 

if it is infallible and unchangeable, then it cannot be cherry-picked.

you have to believe in all of it, or believe in none of it.

 

by picking and choosing the tenets you want to follow and ignoring others, you're admitting that god and his word are NOT infallible.

and if god is not infallible, what makes him god?

 

it is SO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that the bible was written by ordinary, bigoted, ignorant, and superficial old men.

it is NOT the word of the creator of the universe handed down from on-high.

 

Catholic people are supposed to believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

this means that his word is the word of the lord for Catholic people. the policy of the Vatican has been anti-contraception, anti-homosexual, and anti-woman for hundreds and hundreds of years and still is today. if you're a Catholic you're supposed to side with the Vatican...

 

...otherwise, why are you Catholic?

 

 

God is a personal relationship we develop throughout our lifetime.

yes god is the ultimate imaginary friend, we get it.

someone you love and talk to... who cannot love or talk to you back.

 

it's all voices in your mind.

we can illustrate this very easily by taking an MRI and other types of brain imaging scans. the same part of the brain which 'lights up' during prayer and religious worship is the same part of the brain that 'lights up' during any other intense reward-based ritual (sports, sex, dancing at a rock concert) when dopamine is released into the system.

 

 

I love debating in these kinds of things.

well that's good.

 

because I've got plenty more where this came from.

[The Pizza Delivery Guy]

Anything that begins to exist requires a cause, whether it's a car, a star, the moon or the universe, if there was a specific point in time that it began to exist, it requires a cause.

So if God exists, that means he/she/it would require a force to be created as well. If nothing existed before God, then there's nothing to exert the force required to bring God into existence. (I say it like that because God wasn't created apparently.)

 

Doesn't that mean God is physically impossible?

[Creed Bratton]

 

Question - let us say that God exists and he is immortal. Do you think any being could maintain sentience if they could never die or age? I have often pondered the concept of immortality and arrived at the conclusion that any being who lived forever would eventually lose both their sense of identity and their ability to experience any sensation - whether it be pain or pleasure.

Therefore, an immortal being would eventually become immobile and in a state of living death - much like a tree.

 

Even if God existed and he was immortal, I maintain that the effect of immortality would eventually render him apathetic and powerless.

What makes you think that if god existed his mind would be limited like yours? We're talking about the idea of a creator of everything. Do you know what everything even means?

 

If god existed he'd pretty much have to be the ultimate quantum being IMO. The closest to god that we've been able to imagine in the work of fiction is not the god of the Bible. That creature is illogical and inconsistent all the time. No. The closes to god is actually Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen as far as I'm aware. Think about him and multiply that with infinity. That's what god would have to be for me to consider him a god. Someone who exists in all dimensions and all universes and realities simultaneously and is able to grasp them and control them at will. He'd have to be the force from which all of the laws of physics are derived. But he wouldn't be able to change the laws of physics because they are simply a part of him. Anything less than that couldn't be god IMO.

 

And you think that the creator of everything, including time, would suffer from a chemical imbalance in his brain because he lived too long? I know about people that lack imagination, but this is pathetic.

Edited July 8, 2013 by GTAvanja

[GrandMaster Smith]

Anything that begins to exist requires a cause, whether it's a car, a star, the moon or the universe, if there was a specific point in time that it began to exist, it requires a cause.

So if God exists, that means he/she/it would require a force to be created as well. If nothing existed before God, then there's nothing to exert the force required to bring God into existence. (I say it like that because God wasn't created apparently.)

 

Doesn't that mean God is physically impossible?

No, god would not require a cause/force to be created because god was never created. It's eternal.. something that is eternal exists FOREVER meaning it cannot require a cause to it's existence because it never began to exist. As I said before, only things that begin to exist require a cause. If it never began to exist it logically would not require a cause.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Creed Bratton]

 

Anything that begins to exist requires a cause, whether it's a car, a star, the moon or the universe, if there was a specific point in time that it began to exist, it requires a cause.

So if God exists, that means he/she/it would require a force to be created as well. If nothing existed before God, then there's nothing to exert the force required to bring God into existence. (I say it like that because God wasn't created apparently.)

 

Doesn't that mean God is physically impossible?

No, god would not require a cause/force to be created because god was never created. It's eternal.. something that is eternal exists FOREVER meaning it cannot require a cause to it's existence because it never began to exist. As I said before, only things that begin to exist require a cause. If it never began to exist it logically would not require a cause.

Can't you see that god is just a complication? Like multiplying with 1. You can just remove him from the equation and say that universe (or multiverse) had always existed and it doesn't have a cause. It simply is. Why do you need the idea of god when following your own logic he doesn't have to exist? Not to mention that we don't have any evidence to support god's existence. It's pointless to believe in god.

 

What do you gain in life from believing in god that you couldn't gain in some other way?

Edited July 8, 2013 by GTAvanja

[The Pizza Delivery Guy]

Anything that begins to exist requires a cause, whether it's a car, a star, the moon or the universe, if there was a specific point in time that it began to exist, it requires a cause.

So if God exists, that means he/she/it would require a force to be created as well. If nothing existed before God, then there's nothing to exert the force required to bring God into existence. (I say it like that because God wasn't created apparently.)

 

Doesn't that mean God is physically impossible?

No, god would not require a cause/force to be created because god was never created. It's eternal.. something that is eternal exists FOREVER meaning it cannot require a cause to it's existence because it never began to exist. As I said before, only things that begin to exist require a cause. If it never began to exist it logically would not require a cause.

So you basically outright stated god does not exist.

[GrandMaster Smith]

 

So you basically outright stated god does not exist.

What?? How did you come to this conclusion?

 

 

 

 

Can't you see that god is just a complication? Like multiplying with 1. You can just remove him from the equation and say that universe (or multiverse) had always existed and it doesn't have a cause. It simply is. Why do you need the idea of god when following your own logic he doesn't have to exist? Not to mention that we don't have any evidence to support god's existence. It's pointless to believe in god.

 

What do you gain in life from believing in god that you couldn't gain in some other way?

Because all evidence shows the universe began to exist, therefore making it require a cause..

 

If it requires a cause, and the universe couldn't cause itself, the cause must be external.

[Typhus]

Do you know what everything even means?

I know about people that lack imagination, but this is pathetic.

Unprovoked and unnecessary.

Rephrase your rebuttal sans the insults and I will address your points.

[Creed Bratton]

 

Because all evidence shows the universe began to exist, therefore making it require a cause..

 

If it requires a cause, and the universe couldn't cause itself, the cause must be external.

What makes you think that the universe couldn't cause itself? We don't know what our universe looked like before the big bang. There's a theory that suggests that our universe used to expand and shrink [big crunch] until it reached the attributes that it has now which will allow it to expand indefinitely. Who knows how many times the big bang happened. This universe could have existed in another state before our big bang. And we don't know if it's the only universe, if it did have a cause or if it just is. So that doesn't really prove anything.

 

@Typhus: I'm really sick of your shallow ideas about things. They make no sense. They are all so limited and unimaginative that I feel like I'm listening to some angry ex-Amish. If you want me to change my mind then answer. Or don't. Either way, I don't care anymore.

Edited July 8, 2013 by GTAvanja