Do you believe in GOD?

[Secura]

 

May i ask what aspects of the universe can science explain?

Your mind is certainly not one of them.

[Spotted Hyena]

 

May i ask what aspects of the universe can science explain?

Your mind is certainly not one of them.

I do like the way you lot joke about this, quite irrelevant if you ask me

[Adler]

 

May i ask what aspects of the universe can science explain?

Your mind is certainly not one of them.

I do like the way you lot joke about this, quite irrelevant if you ask me

That's because we have no other choice. Our minds are too feeble to partake in relevant discussion.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

God walked this earth thousands of years ago, and he will return again. I'm sorry for those who need to see him with there own eyes. You were born in the wrong time. God no longer does things for show. God works miracles all the time, you're just blind to them. Satan is at work, and he'll do whatever it takes to keep the world blind. Science, Logic, twisting the meaning of God's word, creating thousands of false religions to hide the truth, or whatever he knows will be easily accepted.

 

A super natural being that exist outside of time, not logical.

A super natural being that created everything that exist, not logical.

 

We have to let go of are logic, let go of are questions, and we have to be still. If you open yourself up to God he will let himself be known to you. He is undeniably real. FACT. I don't have a way to prove his existence to you other than follow his word, and lead by example. There are thousands of religions, but I don't believe in religion. I by definition am a Christian, but I follow only the word of God, Jesus Christ, the one true lord and savior.

 

I understand that to believe in God means you'll have to insult your own intelligence. Everything you know to be real, everything you've learned about this universe we live in, but once he reveals himself to you it will make more sense to you then anything you've ever grasped in your entire life. You will start to see his hand in everything. You will have a divine understanding of the world around you. I'm not talking philosophy here, I'm talking about truth. The biggest trick Satan ever pulled was making the world believe he didn't exist.

 

Irony: Atheist don't believe in God, yet they unknowingly do the works of Satan.

 

I know the truth, but even if I didn't I couldn't bring myself to an understanding as bleak as the one you guys share. It's unfortunate that your ignorance, if never corrected will lead to a demise you had a chance to avoid.

 

I hope you all learn the truth before you time on earth is done.

[sivispacem]

 

@sivispacem Keep dreaming my friend and maybe you might have enough insight one day to see

So, basically your response to a barrage of legitimate criticism is to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that your ignorance makes you more insightful than me? I'm sorry to be blunt, but you're not. You barely scrape through even pretending to have anything approaching competence in the matters you discuss, let alone actually demonstrating reasonable familiarity with your own ideas. Your entire contribution to this discussion has been a laughable farce, punctuated with terminal stupidity, derogatory comments and stunning ignorance. How someone can be as deluded as to think they're even engaging in a debate, let alone believing as you appear to that they are emerging victorious, is an absolute mystery to me.

 

 

May i ask what aspects of the universe can science explain?

You'd be better off asking what it can't explain.

 

 

We have to let go of are logic

Why? Everything that exists operates within the boundaries of rationality and logic. It's absurd to suggest abandoning what has given us an understanding of the world around us in order to replace it with a subjective article of faith. Tell me, if you were dying of a curable disease, would you exchange your life-saving medicine for the spells of a witch doctor? If I told you to jump from a cliff because a spirit would catch you and guide you to earth unharmed, would you?

 

 

you will start to see his hand in everything.

A rational external observer will never see the hand of god. An individual raised in a society without the concept of deities will not see the hand of a deity, because the deity is a construct of society. It's an answer to unanswerable questions, which has gradually lost importance as the human understanding of their own condition has developed to the point at which those fundamental questions can be answered better by understanding science than they can by putting faith in a higher power.

 

 

Irony: Atheist don't believe in God, yet they unknowingly do the works of Satan.

Do we? Who are you, that do not know your history? Religion has been the motivating factor behind most of the injustice, violence and inhumanity of the last two millennia. If anyone is doing the world of evil, it is the cabals of organised religion who have lain waste to hundreds of millions of lives in their search for power over their fellow man. I can hold my head up high and say that, even as an atheist, I am a more moral, pious, civil, respectful and just man than any subscriber to any major Christian sect, purely by my lack of association with the greatest examples of man's inhumanity to man to have ever existed.

 

 

your ignorance

Delightfully ironic how the believer always accuses the sceptic of ignorance, despite the fact it is the views of the believer which blinkered. The fact that religious believers almost inevitably descend into insults of their fellow man, or even more frequently attempt to cast their own personal interpretation of faith-based ideologies as if they were empirical fact, really just suggests that the whole concept is subjective. This is what the believer doesn't understand. The atheist does not care either way whether someone has a religious belief, be that in an all-encompassing deity, an invisible pink unicorn or a teapot orbiting the earth. The objection the atheist has is that the believer tries to justify their faith by implying or straight-up claiming that faith is fact, and that hyperbole is evidence. It's embarrassing. No-one would object if you stated your personal beliefs. It's when you dress these beliefs up as fact and by doing so try to demean the rational, civil and reasonable views of others that people get hostile.

 

 

I hope you all learn the truth before you time on earth is done.

Trust me, some of us know more of the true nature of the universe than you ever will.

[Creed Bratton]

I really wanted to give an answer of my own to that stupidity. But since sivis ripped him a new one, I'd just like to add one thing:

 

Suck on that, Jesus freak.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

 

We have to let go of are logic

Why? Everything that exists operates within the boundaries of rationality and logic. It's absurd to suggest abandoning what has given us an understanding of the world around us in order to replace it with a subjective article of faith. Tell me, if you were dying of a curable disease, would you exchange your life-saving medicine for the spells of a witch doctor? If I told you to jump from a cliff because a spirit would catch you and guide you to earth unharmed, would you?

 

 

you will start to see his hand in everything.

A rational external observer will never see the hand of god. An individual raised in a society without the concept of deities will not see the hand of a deity, because the deity is a construct of society. It's an answer to unanswerable questions, which has gradually lost importance as the human understanding of their own condition has developed to the point at which those fundamental questions can be answered better by understanding science than they can by putting faith in a higher power.

 

 

Irony: Atheist don't believe in God, yet they unknowingly do the works of Satan.

Do we? Who are you, that do not know your history? Religion has been the motivating factor behind most of the injustice, violence and inhumanity of the last two millennia. If anyone is doing the world of evil, it is the cabals of organised religion who have lain waste to hundreds of millions of lives in their search for power over their fellow man. I can hold my head up high and say that, even as an atheist, I am a more moral, pious, civil, respectful and just man than any subscriber to any major Christian sect, purely by my lack of association with the greatest examples of man's inhumanity to man to have ever existed.

 

 

your ignorance

Delightfully ironic how the believer always accuses the sceptic of ignorance, despite the fact it is the views of the believer which blinkered. The fact that religious believers almost inevitably descend into insults of their fellow man, or even more frequently attempt to cast their own personal interpretation of faith-based ideologies as if they were empirical fact, really just suggests that the whole concept is subjective. This is what the believer doesn't understand. The atheist does not care either way whether someone has a religious belief, be that in an all-encompassing deity, an invisible pink unicorn or a teapot orbiting the earth. The objection the atheist has is that the believer tries to justify their faith by implying or straight-up claiming that faith is fact, and that hyperbole is evidence. It's embarrassing. No-one would object if you stated your personal beliefs. It's when you dress these beliefs up as fact and by doing so try to demean the rational, civil and reasonable views of others that people get hostile.

 

 

I hope you all learn the truth before you time on earth is done.

Trust me, some of us know more of the true nature of the universe than you ever will.

What did I say before... Yes, "There are thousands of religions, but I don't believe in religion. I by definition am a Christian, but I follow only the word of God, Jesus Christ, the one true lord and savior."

 

Hundreds of religions are responsible for the very thing you said. If I was going to fool the world I would filter out as much as God's true word as possible. How could I go about doing such a thing. The simple needle in a haystack trick. Satan has fooled your oh so intelligent mind. It's a shame because you are smart, just foolish.

 

You ask: if you were dying of a curable disease, would you exchange your life-saving medicine for the spells of a witch doctor?

God isn't a witch doctor, and no I wouldn't because I believe God designed are mind to achieve such things as surviving. Like creating medicine and what have you.

You're not dying, and all I'm asking you to do is search the for the truth. You think you've arrived there already. You are sadly mistaken.

 

That fact that you compare God to a witch doctor let's me know the basis for why you don't believe. No need to go into detail on that, I just feel sorry for you.

 

I asked you the other day if you where an atheist, you gave no clear cut answer. You revealed it today though.

Looks like you're more religious than me. The Church Of Atheism.

 

Some men will leave this world having obtained no understanding of the world outside their heads.

I pray for you.

Edited April 24, 2013 by UrbanTheEmcee

[UrbanTheEmcee]

 

Suck on that, Jesus freak.

You sound mature.

Edited April 24, 2013 by UrbanTheEmcee

[El Dildo]

 

this is why we have laws against murder, rape, and theft. because it's logical. not because they were handed down from some god.

So you're just scared to rape a girl or kill somebody just because you'll be punished for it?

did you even read my post or did you stop at that line?

 

I was explaining that murder and rape are wrong because morality comes from within. it doesn't come from "god."

we acknowledge that these things are wrong because our intelligence leads us to conclude that it is better to work together and support one another than live in anarchy and chaos.

 

I'm not scared of murder or rape. I'm not scared of the punishment for murder or rape.

I don't murder or rape because I know that it's wrong.

 

human beings didn't need the Bible (or any religious text) to figure that out.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

this is why we have laws against murder, rape, and theft. because it's logical. not because they were handed down from some god.

So you're just scared to rape a girl or kill somebody just because you'll be punished for it?

did you even read my post or did you stop at that line?

 

I was explaining that murder and rape are wrong because morality comes from within. it doesn't come from "god."

we acknowledge that these things are wrong because our intelligence leads us to conclude that it is better to work together and support one another than live in anarchy and chaos.

 

I'm not scared of murder or rape. I'm not scared of the punishment for murder or rape.

I don't murder or rape because I know that it's wrong.

 

human beings didn't need the Bible (or any religious text) to figure that out.

I agree. We still need the Bible to gain way to Heaven.

[Typhus]

I agree. We still need the Bible to gain way to Heaven.

But isn't Heaven a state of eternal servitude to God? Does that really sound appealing to you?

[El Dildo]

 

We still need the Bible to gain way to Heaven.

 

which heaven is that?

 

the Christian heaven?

the Jewish heaven?

the Muslim heaven?

the Hindu heaven?

the Buddhist heaven?

the Greek heaven?

the Pagan heaven?

 

and which bible was that?

the New Testament?

the Old Testament?

the Qu'ran?

the Vedas?

the Confucius texts?

the Dead Sea Scrolls?

 

when you figure that one out, lemme know.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

 

I agree. We still need the Bible to gain way to Heaven.

But isn't Heaven a state of eternal servitude to God? Does that really sound appealing to you?

Jokingly it sounds more appealing than eternal fire.

 

All jokes aside. In heaven people praise God because his glory is undeniable. No disrespect to my fellow Christians, but it's kind of like a chick screaming at the peak of her orgasm. You have as much free will in Heaven as you do here on earth, God just wipes sin from your make up. You will no longer desire the sin we are born into now, and that thought is hard to comprehend.

 

God is pure, we can't be in his presence unless we purify ourselves. The soul is real and will go on to the afterlife regardless, but if you aren't pure you will not be able to enter the presence of God. He doesn't want you to burn. Hell was created for Satan, not following God is following Satan into the pit of fire.

 

1. Repent.

2. Be Baptized in the name of Jesus.

3. Receive the Holy Spirit.

 

Believe it or not, God wants you to join him in Heaven and experience the things you never thought possible.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

We still need the Bible to gain way to Heaven.

 

which heaven is that?

 

the Christian heaven?

the Jewish heaven?

the Muslim heaven?

the Hindu heaven?

the Buddhist heaven?

the Greek heaven?

the Pagan heaven?

 

and which bible was that?

the New Testament?

the Old Testament?

the Qu'ran?

the Vedas?

the Confucius texts?

the Dead Sea Scrolls?

 

when you figure that one out, lemme know.

There's only one God. I know Jesus is Lord. I don't believe in religion.

To answer your question, The New Testament. The old testament is their for knowledge of how things where.

 

Your username is The Devil, so why I'm even trying with you is beyond me.

[Typhus]

Jokingly it sounds more appealing than eternal fire.

 

All jokes aside. In heaven people praise God because his glory is undeniable. No disrespect to my fellow Christians, but it's kind of like a chick screaming at the peak of her orgasm. You have as much free will in Heaven as you do here on earth, God just wipes sin from your make up. You will no longer desire the sin we are born into now, and that thought is hard to comprehend.

 

God is pure, we can't be in his presence unless we purify ourselves. The soul is real and will go on to the afterlife regardless, but if you aren't pure you will not be able to enter the presence of God. He doesn't want you to burn. Hell was created for Satan, not following God is following Satan into the pit of fire.

 

1. Repent.

2. Be Baptized in the name of Jesus.

3. Receive the Holy Spirit.

 

Believe it or not, God wants you to join him in Heaven and experience the things you never thought possible.

But who is God to determine what is pure and what is not? Who is God to determine who is worthy of Heaven?

If he is real and if the Bible is accurate, you must know that God has the blood of children on his hands - all put to the sword by Saul and David and Elijah and all his other prophets and Kings.

 

Who holds God accountable? God cannot condemn the crime of murder and commit it himself. God cannot sin and condemn us for sin.

So, who holds him accountable? And what possible right does he have to judge us?

[El Dildo]

 

There's only one God.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

 

 

Jesus is Lord.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

[GTAfan786]

If atheists can't respect people who have faith, why don't you STFU and keep your morals too yourself.

[Secura]

If atheists can't respect people who have faith, why don't you STFU and keep your morals too yourself.

.... I think it's trying to communicate.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

Jokingly it sounds more appealing than eternal fire.

 

All jokes aside. In heaven people praise God because his glory is undeniable. No disrespect to my fellow Christians, but it's kind of like a chick screaming at the peak of her orgasm. You have as much free will in Heaven as you do here on earth, God just wipes sin from your make up. You will no longer desire the sin we are born into now, and that thought is hard to comprehend.

 

God is pure, we can't be in his presence unless we purify ourselves. The soul is real and will go on to the afterlife regardless, but if you aren't pure you will not be able to enter the presence of God. He doesn't want you to burn. Hell was created for Satan, not following God is following Satan into the pit of fire.

 

1. Repent.

2. Be Baptized in the name of Jesus.

3. Receive the Holy Spirit.

 

Believe it or not, God wants you to join him in Heaven and experience the things you never thought possible.

But who is God to determine what is pure and what is not? Who is God to determine who is worthy of Heaven?

If he is real and if the Bible is accurate, you must know that God has the blood of children on his hands - all put to the sword by Saul and David and Elijah and all his other prophets and Kings.

 

Who holds God accountable? God cannot condemn the crime of murder and commit it himself. God cannot sin and condemn us for sin.

So, who holds him accountable? And what possible right does he have to judge us?

That's the thing though, those souls are with him now. They didn't die, their bodies just expired. It's not about judging who's pure. I literally mean you can't not withstand his glory without making yourself pure. His presence would be to much for your essence to handle. You would be erased from existence.

[GTAfan786]

 

If atheists can't respect people who have faith, why don't you STFU and keep your morals too yourself.

.... I think it's trying to communicate.

So atheists forcing people to say that God doesn't exist is communicating? Clearly, you need to change your way of "Communication". You don't have proof he doesn't exist.

Edited April 24, 2013 by GTAfan786

[El Dildo]

those souls are with him now. They didn't die, their bodies just expired.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

There's only one God.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

 

 

Jesus is Lord.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

I do know this.

It is evident.

It is fact.

 

You are a foolish individual, and I don't wish to argue this with you in particular anymore. The Devil is a liar.

[El Dildo]

 

I do know this.

no you don't.

 

you believe it.

huge difference.

 

 

It is evident.

It is fact.

beliefs are not evidence.

beliefs are not facts.

 

your arrogance precedes you.

 

 

You are a foolish individual

ironic coming from the guy who claims to know things that no living person can know.

 

your arrogance precedes you.

[Barguast]

If atheists can't respect people who have faith, why don't you STFU and keep your morals too yourself.

Wow, how succinct and thought-provoking.

 

Perhaps you'd have a point if atheism imposed on the beliefs of others to the same extent that religion does. But it doesn't.

 

[UrbanTheEmcee]

If atheists can't respect people who have faith, why don't you STFU and keep your morals too yourself.

.... I think it's trying to communicate.

So atheists forcing people to say that God doesn't exist is communicating? Clearly, you need to change your way of "Communication". You don't have proof he doesn't exist.

These people are a cult. These Atheist.

 

If they don't believe God exist, then why are they debating his existence?

[Typhus]

That's the thing though, those souls are with him now. They didn't die, their bodies just expired. It's not about judging who's pure. I literally mean you can't not withstand his glory without making yourself pure. His presence would be to much for your essence to handle. You would be erased from existence.

But how can God be 'glorious' or 'pure' when he is a child killer? When he is an advocate of ethnic cleansing and genocide?

The God of the Bible supported the Israelites and at every turn egged them on as they slaughtered tribe after tribe.

 

Give me an example of his benevolence and I will give you an example of his malice. You cannot simply say that he is good and forget the litany of sins he has committed.

Can a hypocrite be 'pure'? Can a child killer be 'pure'? Can a slaver be 'pure'?

 

Your God is a sinner, your God is a racist and a monster. And you, by your own admission, believe he shall rob you of your free will in the afterlife. For what is free will worth if the good is not mingled with the bad?

You try to make men slaves, touting this paradise after death where we shall all be obedient and servile - and you threaten us with torture and fire if we don't wish to bow and curtsy to this child killer and bigot.

 

I ask again - who shall hold your God accountable for his sins? If he is our presumed judge, who shall judge him?

 

[El Dildo]

 

If they don't believe God exist, then why are they debating his existence?

because arrogant religious fools get themselves elected to positions of power within the government and use their beliefs (which are not facts or even shared by all people) to change public policy.

 

this is dangerous behavior.

we can't make policy based on personal beliefs that cannot be proven as fact. and we definitely cannot make policy based on personal beliefs that are NOT SHARED by everyone within the system.

 

that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of representative democracy.

[UrbanTheEmcee]

That's the thing though, those souls are with him now. They didn't die, their bodies just expired. It's not about judging who's pure. I literally mean you can't not withstand his glory without making yourself pure. His presence would be to much for your essence to handle. You would be erased from existence.

But how can God be 'glorious' or 'pure' when he is a child killer? When he is an advocate of ethnic cleansing and genocide?

The God of the Bible supported the Israelites and at every turn egged them on as they slaughtered tribe after tribe.

 

Give me an example of his benevolence and I will give you an example of his malice. You cannot simply say that he is good and forget the litany of sins he has committed.

Can a hypocrite be 'pure'? Can a child killer be 'pure'? Can a slaver be 'pure'?

 

Your God is a sinner, your God is a racist and a monster. And you, by your own admission, believe he shall rob you of your free will in the afterlife. For what is free will worth if the good is not mingled with the bad?

You try to make men slaves, touting this paradise after death where we shall all be obedient and servile - and you threaten us with torture and fire if we don't wish to bow and curtsy to this child killer and bigot.

 

I ask again - who shall hold your God accountable for his sins? If he is our presumed judge, who shall judge him?

You're not comprehending the he didn't kill them part. Our bodies are simply avatars for are spirit. You can't kill the spirit.

[El Dildo]

Our bodies are simply avatars for are spirit. You can't kill the spirit.

says who?

you don't know that.

 

it's just a belief with no evidence.

 

man this is too easy...

[UrbanTheEmcee]

someone tell the guy above me were no longer in debate with each other.

I feel he's just a troll, and he should find better use of his time.

 

never mind, I have a feeling he'll get the message.