GTA Liberty City Stories Starter Save Discussion

[Rocket man FI]

I am so proud of you, Arsen V,It helped me very much in gta lcs,You have earned my respect

[Lethal Vaccine]

I doubt it, but the percentage might be 50% with these extra 2 Hidden Packages, but unlikely. If there was a way to get the final Hidden Package, more than likely the percentage could reach 50% when all is said and done and not 49%, but this includes StSBYF of course, all 12.

[Arsen Vitiuk]

No. Percentage is added for every 10 Packages collected, not for every single one, so even at 99/100 Hidden Packages the maximum percentage achievable will remain 49%. That is for certain.

 

If you are interested, I can describe you how gaining percentage works, for this particular game, and for every other game in the III era.

[Lancerator]

If you are interested, I can describe you how gaining percentage works, for this particular game, and for every other game in the III era.

 

That would be nice to hear, however, your guide seems pretty useful, keep it up!

[Lethal Vaccine]

http://gtaforums.com/topic/768989-startermaster-save-discussion-ps2/

 

I made something just like this, but for VCS...

 

Of course it's buried underneath a bunch of other random run of the mill Topics, though...

[Arsen Vitiuk]

That topic is great. Request it to be pinned, it should be of no problem. Go on, do it.

 

As to how percentage works, I am going on a vacation until August 1, so I will make detailed topics upon my return, not sooner.

Edited July 18, 2016 by Arsen Vitiuk

[Lethal Vaccine]

Thanks, but I don't care if it's pinned or not, tbh. I made the Topic to ask for help, but notice I was a one man show who helped himself by just finding out what can be done on my own and experimenting in the game myself. It took very little time just to type up a small list, compared to my Special Vehicle Guides which are far from just any list, but Descriptions, Difficulty Ratings, and Videos, etc. That's why those should be pinned, but I am not too worried over the Starter Save Topic for VCS. It's buried on Page 2 of the VCS Section and it'll continue to get bumped down.

 

Anyways, looking forward to the percentage discussion, however, you said about in SA I would reach 13.91% when all was said and done, but I didn't. I had 13.90% as I figured I would reach before finishing it a couple months back when you were offline for a while...I know the percents in SA are ~0.53% for each task, but I don't know III, VC, LCS, or VCS. But since I typically do everything there is to do within each game and never just do a Story Missions Playthrough and call it a day, I always reach 100%. As long as the percent isn't glitched, I am happy. One time in LCS, I reached 100% WITHOUT doing The Sicilian Gambit (old Save, thankfully). I also don't ever have to do Skywolf in VCS after Last Stand since it gives me 100% before doing it for some reason. I don't want the percent being OVER 100% as that looks glitchy, lol...

[err5]

Some time ago I said:

 

I assume maximum money in the PS2 version is 99.999.999$ as you can see someone having that much in

.

[...]

But after doing Bike Salesman I realized I got bonus money for every 5 bikes sold in a row - 2500$ for 5, 5000$ for 10, etc.

Now that the mission is over, I can sell any bike I want - as many of them as I want. So assuming you start with 0$, the idea is to sell 1410 Faggios (the easiest to sell) in a row. How do I know the number ? I created a spreadsheet that counts earnings depending on the number of bikes sold in a row, which you can download here. Let me know if I made a mistake in a formula.

The inspiration for this came from seeing edited PSP savegames with 999.999.999$ (try earning that much with my method ), unobtainable vehicles, unobtainable weapons, etc.

Bad assumption, turns out the maximum I can get is actually 999.999.999$, which means I'll have to sell 4470 bikes in a row. PSP users are probably in a better situation since from what I can see the mission is

.

I wanted to make sure there is an actual money limit so I don't get an overflow - so that the money does not reset to a negative number - so I played with memory editing. Money is represented as int32, meaning that it can hold values from −2.147.483.648 to 2.147.483.647 and the game sets the value to 999.999.999 if a bigger one is presented.

Example: I set my money amount to −2.147.483.648$:

This is the least I can have. If I somehow managed to get 1 dollar less, it would cause an underflow (the game only limits maximum money, not minimum), setting the value to 2.147.483.647 and the game would limit it to 999.999.999$. What's more interesting, a minus sign is represented by a dollar.

 

This won't affect my game by any means - after these tests I even closed the emulator and I'll return to a previous state (when I'm on the mission with 1410 bikes sold) as if nothing happened.

 

 

 

 

[...] I don't do StSBYF in the Starter Save since you are rewarded the H/BP/FP/PP/TP/EC/PC Landstalker and there would be no place to store it and bring it back to Portland. [...]

Now either I've completely gone insane or there was a thread (around 2013 ?) about using Love Media garage as a normal garage that can store vehicles. I recall there was something about getting close to the door, walking to the corner when the door and the wall with vehicle list meet, jamming the camera between the player and the door so it will force them to open (works in my case) and simply putting the vehicle - which in my case isn't repaired after closing and opening the door so the garage probably doesn't store anything. I can't find the thread by any means now. Does anyone have any clues about it ?

[Lethal Vaccine]

Yeah, it's true. The Meter on PSP for Bike Salesman as well as Car Salesman is pathetically easier. It gets maxed a LOT quicker compared to PS2 and Mobile.

 

I never heard of that Garage as having any use or being able to use it to store this Landstalker. But because of this issue, I don't really care to do the 12 Sights in the Starter Save since you're given one of the better Special Vehicles in the game. a Landstalker in and of itself sucks ass, but the properties on it are pretty badass, especially after adding DP to it with the Crusher. I didn't bother doing the first 11 Sights in the Starter Save, either, but I know I could if I wanted to. I just don't really see a point since I'd need the H/WP/UH PCJ-600 and getting it involves adding Attempts to the Stats on my Versions and it won't add any percentage until all 12 are done, anyways. Similar to the Car-azy Car Give Away. I don't have the BF Injection, Hellenbach GT, or Thunder-Rodd despite being able to get the BF Injection and Hellenbach GT...

[Arsen Vitiuk]

As I told you before, you can get a Hellenbach GT with ease, you just didn't pay attention before.

 

What you need is to start a "See The Sight Before Your Flight" mission, even if it costs you a Mission Attempt to get the PCJ-600. It doesn't matter since you're not going to complete anything. Just start the mission, then load any save including a Starter Save or even start a new game. When you get to Staunton Island any way, including the Crusher exploit, you will find that the Lift Bridge is operational, with the protesters standing below, before "Love On The Rocks" is completed. This way, you can cross the Lift Bridge as many times as you want.

 

This works all the time, and no matter how many times you reload, the bridge will work. However, resetting or turning off the console cancels this effect, and you would need to do it all again the next time you load up the game - even if you save after activating the bridge.

Edited July 27, 2016 by Arsen Vitiuk

[Lethal Vaccine]

I usually just bring the Hellenbach GT at the time I pass "Driving Mr. Leone." I pass the Mission, return to Portland for the Hidden Package on the Bridge (which err5 found how to obtain in the actual Starter Save) and before saving I get this Package, get the Thunder-Rodd, BF Injection, and Hellenbach GT from the Car Showroom from doing Car Salesman Side Mission, do the 2 Races in SI as well as Trash Dash and THEN I save. Sometimes, I also do Avenging Angels Level 15 in SI before saving after Driving Mr. Leone, as well. My best Save is 74 Safehouse Visits, which, imo, is still pretty high, but that's because of coming back to Portland after almost everything I did in SI and SSV to save the game before continuing with another task. It's annoying constantly finding a random Vehicle a Hooker will get into (preferably a Kuruma since it's the easiest to drive down the Subway stairs while in Ghost form) and then making a Ghost and driving it through the Subway, especially to SSV. You can run on foot to SI, but not SSV. Doing this over and over takes time as well as if I fail a task in SI/SSV and need to reload to keep the Mission Attempts at a minimum. I'll try it out one of these days for the Hellenbach GT, but I still don't see much of a reason to do it as all 3 of the Vehicles are found in Portland and very convenient to get them after Driving Mr. Leone.

[Arsen Vitiuk]

I believe you missed the point. There is a Hellenbach GT parked in front of one of the mansions in Cedar Grove. That is why you need the Lift Bridge operational.

[Lethal Vaccine]

I didn't miss any point like you been suggesting the past few comments. MY POINT is I don't see a reason to do small tasks like this that wouldn't increase the percentage when I can do them all in a row after Driving Mr. Leone. 48% is good enough. When the final Hidden Package is obtainable in a Starter Save (if it ever will be) then I will go about getting the 3 Hidden Packages, thus increasing the percentage. Until then, I can wait. Thunder-Rodd will never be brought early, so I can also wait for the BF Injection and Hellenbach GT.

[Arsen Vitiuk]

I get your point. On this, we agree to disagree. Sorry if I caused some offense.

 

In the meantime, I will redo the LCS Starter Save to include the formerly unobtainable Hidden Packages and BF Injection.

[err5]

I inspected the area with the last package and still couldn't find a way to grab it. The screenshot below shows me staring at an invisible wall just in front of me.

 

It covers the whole building complex area's width so it's not possible to get inside without a no-clipping vehicle. This screenshot demonstrates hugging it (from the helicopter's left side).

 

And the roof is also solid which means that my idea of jumping to another one with an incredible stunt and jumping into this one to grab the package while falling is bad.

 

Any other ideas ?

 

 

I never heard of that Garage as having any use or being able to use it to store this Landstalker. But because of this issue, I don't really care to do the 12 Sights in the Starter Save since you're given one of the better Special Vehicles in the game. a Landstalker in and of itself sucks ass, but the properties on it are pretty badass, especially after adding DP to it with the Crusher. I didn't bother doing the first 11 Sights in the Starter Save, either, but I know I could if I wanted to. I just don't really see a point since I'd need the H/WP/UH PCJ-600 and getting it involves adding Attempts to the Stats on my Versions and it won't add any percentage until all 12 are done, anyways. Similar to the Car-azy Car Give Away. I don't have the BF Injection, Hellenbach GT, or Thunder-Rodd despite being able to get the BF Injection and Hellenbach GT...

I don't agree with the necessity of using a heavy bike for doing this challenge; trust me that it is possible to visit every Portland sight and return with

. It won't be easy and still it's better to wait until more garages are unlocked.

I checked the Love Media garage and even after completing the import mission it still doesn't let me store anything. In fact then it doesn't even open at all. I also couldn't find the thread mentioning it after extensive search, so maybe it's better to assume all this was just my imagination.

 

Respect LCS Landstalkers, they look and handle much better then those in other classic GTA games.

Edited August 7, 2016 by err5

[Lethal Vaccine]

Yeah, OrionSR is a member on this Forum and helps out in my SA Special Vehicle Guide on a more "technical level." I've seen his LCS StSBYF runs a while back using a Boat and taking the PCJ-600 with him. I understand doing this as a challenge, but like I said, it's a challenge that I am looking at more Cons than Pros. If this added percentage, then damn straight I'd do it, but it's not, thus I find it better to wait, especially when most people forget that I am also trying to get a low Total Playing Time when I do Saves for ALL GTA's and not just LCS. If and when that final Hidden Package is obtainable I'll get the final 3 I need in both my PS2 and iOS Starter Saves, thus something that will bump the percentage up.

 

Yeah, I never heard of anything like that with the Love Media Garage. Probably a myth or something...

 

LCS Landstalker is better than III and VC Landstalker, but I still find it pretty bad. Despite the StSBYF Reward Landstalker being TP, I can't roll it back on its wheels since it's Heavy I rarely drive it around since it tips over way too easy. VCS is the same way...To me, the Landstalker is still bad in SA, LCS, and VCS, but it's at an all time bad in III and VC.

 

I am completely out of ideas for that Hidden Package. I think it just can't be done. Similar to the ONE Stunt Jump in a VC Starter Save. It just can't be done early...

 

 

Here is my PS2 and iOS Starter Saves I did @ 48%.

Edited August 14, 2016 by MetalMilitia89

[Lennart -]

Carazy giveaway: Bf Injection
Hey guys i made a video on err5's method.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=a8EiqXHlknQ

Edited October 7, 2017 by Lennart -

[err5]

Oh, a video. Thank you.

Now... I dare you to document, how to obtain the 2 Hidden Packages mentioned in this thread in the beginning of the plot.

 

Hm, I can see there's a heavy black PCJ-600 variant. A mobile version exclusive or is there a method of painting it black that I don't know about ?

 

And returning to this mystery:

 

Now either I've completely gone insane or there was a thread (around 2013 ?) about using Love Media garage as a normal garage that can store vehicles. I recall there was something about getting close to the door, walking to the corner when the door and the wall with vehicle list meet, jamming the camera between the player and the door so it will force them to open (works in my case) and simply putting the vehicle - which in my case isn't repaired after closing and opening the door so the garage probably doesn't store anything. I can't find the thread by any means now. Does anyone have any clues about it ?

It wasn't a thread, but a

, which I finally found. Still, I can't see anything special about this garage - nothing can be stored or repaired.

[Lethal Vaccine]

That Black PCJ-600 always spawns in traffic in the Mobile Version. No idea why, but on PSP and PS2, a Black PCJ-600 is special and only found in Sal's Driveway. Just like at Vincenzo's Place in Atlantic Quays, you can always find an EC Black Kuruma parked there, too. But on Mobile (not sure about the Black Kuruma), but the Black PCJ-600 is found driving around on the streets, parked, anywhere, really...

 

Yeah, I'd like to see a Video of how to get those 2 Hidden Packages, too!

[Lennart -]

That Black PCJ-600 always spawns in traffic in the Mobile Version. No idea why, but on PSP and PS2, a Black PCJ-600 is special and only found in Sal's Driveway. Just like at Vincenzo's Place in Atlantic Quays, you can always find an EC Black Kuruma parked there, too. But on Mobile (not sure about the Black Kuruma), but the Black PCJ-600 is found driving around on the streets, parked, anywhere, really...

 

 

It is not completely black the small thing above the tire is white so the only black pcj 600 you can get is Salvatores.

 

 

Okay i found an unlimited ammo glitch for m60. It can be done in the beginning of the game as well as the unlimited smg glitch.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Lennart -

[Lancet]

Awesome that someone found how to get two of these packages. Could someone summarize what is necessary to get them, though? It's difficult to follow this thread.

 

Can the Dolls' House package be obtained without dying? And what strategy exactly works on the Callahan Bridge package? Thanks.

 

Oh, and what's the strategy for a BF Injection for the car garage in SI?

Edited December 9, 2016 by Lancet

[Lethal Vaccine]

You see the Video Link a couple Posts above yours? Well, just watch it. It shows how to get the BF Injection...

 

For the Dolls House Package, you're going to need to make a Ghost Bike using the Crusher to drive in there and snag the Package. Making Ghost/DP Bikes Method can be found in my LCS Guide. The Callahan Bridge Package is tough and luck based. You need to drive an Ambulance on the "rails" of the Bridge, then get out, get the Package, and land on a Police Boat in the water below. So you're going to need a 4 star wanted level for that. It's cool that those Packages can be obtained as well as the BF Injection brought early, but you go through a lot of trouble doing so, so I find it just better to wait a handful of Missions into the game to get the Dolls House Package and then when SI is unlocked after Driving Mr. Leone, I get the Callahan Bridge Package and bring BF Injection, Thunder-Rodd, and Hellenbach GT for Import/Export. I also NEVER do See the Sight Before Your Flight in a Starter Save or bring the Hellenbach GT for Import/Export, either. 49% is max, but I just do it with 48% due to StSBYF is not passed 12 times. If I would do that, then I would have to get rid of the H/BP/FP/PP/TP/EC/PC Landstalker you're given since there is no way to bring it back to Portland and having it in a Starter Save would rather suck, tbh, since the Portland Garage is so small and the Landstalker is rather big. Would mess up getting 12 Special Vehicles in a Save if I had to deal with that Vehicle from the beginning instead of at the end when SI and SSV is unlocked.

 

EDIT: I was wrong on how to get the Hidden Package. This is from err5: "Get a bike and park it next to the hut, facing the hut. Then get a car (once you got in, do not get into another one), make it a Ghost, drive it inside the hut, making sure only the two front doors are inside.
Exit. You should be inside the hut. Grab the package and try jumping to the bike from its front like in

." Edited December 9, 2016 by MetalMilitia89

[Lennart -]

Oh, a video. Thank you.

Now... I dare you to document, how to obtain the 2 Hidden Packages mentioned in this thread in the beginning of the plot.

 

 

Yeah, I'd like to see a Video of how to get those 2 Hidden Packages, too!

Okay then, lets do it.

And here it is

Edited December 14, 2016 by Lennart -

[Son Of Morph]

How do you get onto the rails and position the enforcer/ambulance in such a way with out Toni falling into the sea?

 

Did err5 double drive two boats to the Callahan?

[Lethal Vaccine]

I haven't a clue. I am new to those 2 Hidden Packages in a Starter Save and also the BF Injection in a Starter Save. I only have 97/100 Hidden Packages for both PS2 and iOS Starter Saves and never bothered to get the other 2 early or the BF Injection early, either. I see no point since you can't FULLY finish Love Media Import/Export early, anyways, as you need to bring the Thunder-Rodd later on and that Vehicle isn't available whatsoever within a Starter Save. As for the 2 Hidden Packages, again, I see no point since it's not going to raise your percentage until all 100 are obtained and if you have 97 or 99, it's still not all 100, thus no percentage increase. Now, if it IS possible one day to get the final Hidden Package, then I'd probably go ahead and update my Starter Saves...

 

As for Boats, he didn't drive any Boats. He had a 4 star wanted level and fell down and landed on a Police Boat. Pure luck, though, as you need to get one to spawn and land perfectly on it. If not, you die, as you fall into the Ocean and drown.

 

Can't wait to get back to the 3D Era, though! I just need 2 more Special Vehicles on a Replay in TBoGT (Unique Slamvan and EC Dark Green and Lustered Vincent) and to get "100%" on 19 Story Missions on a Replay and it's done and back to the 3D Era for a while and will start off by redoing my VCS 49.20% Starter Save. Stay tuned for the Photos of my TBoGT Save Pause Menu and Special Vehicles I obtained in the coming days I suppose. Probably on Monday or Tuesday I will be fully done and ready to move on to VCS.

Edited December 10, 2016 by MetalMilitia89

[Son Of Morph]

I haven't a clue. I am new to those 2 Hidden Packages in a Starter Save and also the BF Injection in a Starter Save. I only have 97/100 Hidden Packages for both PS2 and iOS Starter Saves and never bothered to get the other 2 early or the BF Injection early, either. I see no point since you can't FULLY finish Love Media Import/Export early, anyways, as you need to bring the Thunder-Rodd later on and that Vehicle isn't available whatsoever within a Starter Save. As for the 2 Hidden Packages, again, I see no point since it's not going to raise your percentage until all 100 are obtained and if you have 97 or 99, it's still not all 100, thus no percentage increase. Now, if it IS possible one day to get the final Hidden Package, then I'd probably go ahead and update my Starter Saves...

 

As for Boats, he didn't drive any Boats. He had a 4 star wanted level and fell down and landed on a Police Boat. Pure luck, though, as you need to get one to spawn and land perfectly on it. If not, you die, as you fall into the Ocean and drown.

 

Can't wait to get back to the 3D Era, though! I just need 2 more Special Vehicles on a Replay in TBoGT (Unique Slamvan and EC Dark Green and Lustered Vincent) and to get "100%" on 19 Story Missions on a Replay and it's done and back to the 3D Era for a while and will start off by redoing my VCS 49.20% Starter Save. Stay tuned for the Photos of my TBoGT Save Pause Menu and Special Vehicles I obtained in the coming days I suppose. Probably on Monday or Tuesday I will be fully done and ready to move on to VCS.

The Doll House Hidden Package is relatively easy to get but I can understand why you don't get them.

 

I thought the point of the police rampage was to lure a large vehicle (Enforcer) to the bridge so err5 can use it to jump on the invisible floor. He couldn't use the Ambulance as the two boats used to set up the landing boat are in memory and the landing boat would disappear if err5 brought an ambulance to the bridge. Well at least that was my understanding of switching to the Enforcer.

 

Does the Deimos SP spawn in SI?

Edited December 10, 2016 by Son Of Morph

[err5]

TLDR: If you want that package, try this.

 

To clarify everything:

I drove two boats simultaneously by jumping from first (Reefer) to second (Predator) and vice versa until I positioned the Predator in the place you see in my screenshots.

I hopped into that Reefer, drove back to the pier.

Now, the game keeps only the last two vehicles the player entered* in memory so I needed to run back to the bridge without getting into any other vehicle.

* (that's not always true: sometimes one is kept, but this means a special case, like a specific mission. sometimes more than two can be kept by having the camera focused on them all)

One I was at the bridge, I caused enough havoc to make an Enforcer chase me. When I saw one, I ran all the way to the unfinished part (where only those rails are). I let it stop, killed all SWAT members that got out. I then focused the camera to the first vehicle - the Predator and entered the third one - the Enforcer. I needed to have it focused as the first vehicle would vanish.

I then accelerated the Enforcer to make it land perfectly on the rails:

 

This positioning allowed me to slowly traverse forwards. I couldn't be too slow, otherwise a police helicopter would come and destroy the Enforcer.

Once I was at the vertical rails, I exited - standing on a rail. Then I jumped onto the vehicle's hood and then on the top. You might think it's not possible from that position, but trust me - it is.

 

If this was an Ambulance, I would have been able to jump ont the vertical rails. But an Enforcer isn't high enough. So I threw a grenade, jumped before it exploded and the explosion gave me a boost. I had to do this well enough so I got ejected to the right place - not too far and not too close - this would send me straight to the water.

 

Then I angled myself so there was a straight horizontal line: me-package-boat. I slowly walked to the package to fall from the invisible platform, grab the package and land in the boat.

 

This is very hard. You need to practice: double-boat-driving, getting on the rails with an Enforcer properly AND when and where to jump so a grenade can give you a proper boost.

There seems to be a MUCH easier method, which I recommend as mine is overcomplicated.

 

 

Okay then, lets do it.

And here it is

Is

what inspired you at 0:31 ?

[Son Of Morph]

Do you know if perhaps destroying the reefer would allow you to get another vehicle in memory?

Edited December 10, 2016 by Son Of Morph

[err5]

There's a big chance that the Reefer's wreck would be more likely to remain rather than the Predator.

I guess the game is programmed like this: (assuming the order is: 1. -> 2. -> current)

 

player gets into a vehicle:

make the second remembered vehicle the first remembered vehicle.

make the current vehicle the second remembered vehicle.

 

This also predicts situations like getting from the second vehicle to the first one or when no vehicles are in memory.

 

I may be wrong so don't blindly believe me and test on your own.

[Son Of Morph]

I may be able to use the other method. I have completed 9mm Mayhem and it doesn't seem to add mission attempts when I replay it and waste the Freeway driver.

 

Edit: I'm not entirely sure how to move the bike whilst it is in the boat. It either falls out or takes too much damage and blows up. Perhaps I can try and get another one from 9mmM and try to jack the Yardie from the bike and it convert it into DP form. I am also not sure how you would collect the package from falling as you fall from the left of the bike and the package is on the right.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Son Of Morph