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HOW'S ANNIE?

In terms of story, which was worse: TBOGT or GTA V?

In terms of story, which was worse? TBOGT or V?  

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  1. 1. In terms of story, which was worse?

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Eutyphro

It seems to me that there are only 2 types of people when it comes to talking about GTA V's story

The first one is people who think that the story was sharply written, funny, creative (with the three characters), compelling social commentary and overall a fun story.

The other is the people who thinks that the story is complete garbage with poor writing, cliched characters and plot elements and severe inconsistencies.

 

I have yet to find anyone who is in the middle ground which leads me to think that most of the opinions about the story (be it good or bad) is just complete bullsh*t where people either misinterpret or over analyze it just because of its huge success and the hipsters who instantly judge a game by its story alone and not giving any damns about its gameplay.

 

Where do I stand between the two points? Considering saying anything is just a lose-lose situation I am just gonna say that I think its a funny and compelling social commentary on materialism and on how we worship celebrities underlined by a crime story about a group of three dangerous thieves trying to break their shackles from their corporate overloads and the government, how the story is told however is another story, I only found myself only caring about a third of the characters (Michael) But the way the story is told through three perspectives is a unique touch, specially for an open world game. Sure some out their comments on society seems a bit poorly written like Trevor's rant about torture, as its a bit too obvious and not too subtle. And sure they are not relateable but I would make the argument that they are not supposed to be relateable. As these are three sociopaths/psychopathic criminals and you have to be crazier then them if you expect to relate to them. Its a story told through the perspective of the bad guys, not some overly broody anti-hero who "didn't ask for this".

 

And that is just my two cents on its story.

 

That is because people exaggerate their discontent or like for everything, to annoy others into giving them attention. I must say that I am between the two points, but I don't think it is a compelling social commentary at all. I like all the characters, but most of them do not feel very realistic to me, but I still find them amusing anyway. Except for maybe Jimmy and Tracey, those exist in real life I guess. I don't really value the characters for their social commentary, but I still find them amusing.

 

And I barely valued the story for it's compellingness, but I valued it as something that gets me to laugh at funny characters saying funny stuff, or as a way to let me have fun gameplay. People need to stop expecting a drama show or movie from GTA. It's a GAME. It's built around GAMEPLAY. It's not built around a concept of a compelling drama story. If you want that then go watch HBO.

 

That being said, GTA V was more compelling as a story than TBoGT, because it was longer and because it was a standalone game...

 

Oke, side note: are people really comparing a 25 mission DLC to a 69 mission full game? mind = blown...

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peluche503

In regurds to this topic. I think both of these stories are good, but I choose TBOGt because it has enough content to consider it a game.

 

However, something that is really underrated about TBOGT is Bulgarin, I think that Bulgarin is far better than both Dimitri and Billy as an antagonist, his goals were more fleshed out and his reasons of betrayal were justified compared to Dimitri who was a coward and had no other but than to just bother Niko and his betrayal reasons which is one of the worst examples of plot writing I've seen. " I betrayed you because you are a bottom feeder and peasant" this shows you how generic this type of cliché writing has gotten. Now bulgarin " you will pay you have those diamonds which were stolen from me in the beginning" this was a better reason to betray a person because bulgarin was deprived from his possession and knowing that the person he put trust on was had his valuable possessions made it even worse.

 

He was also more menacing because he want as far to cut a cook's head off, when do you really see this happen?

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BLOOD

 

 

 

I find it funny when people say you can't compare TBoGT because it was an add on because I think The Lost and Damned had a far better storyline than GTAIV and GTAV.

Lol i love when someone gets Neutral.I love GTA 5 but yeah TLAD was a unique GTA game i have to say.

*It introduced Checkpoint System to the Series.

*It was more focused on Bike than Cars

*The Storyline was Grittier than any game ever made.

*.Shotgun Drive-by,a retooled Bike Physics and an Advanced Gang Team-mates

*Ability to check Gangmates Stats

*Ability to get a Weapon drop in the Clubhouse.

*More Mature Mini-games,Hi-Lo (Gambling),Arm Wrestling,Bike Hockey Race etc.

*Ability to lead fellow bikers etc.

That game was an HD Spiritual Successor to SA.and till this day no other openworld game have succeeded in doing TLAD's Outlaw Biker Gang Theme,Ride to Hell failed and i am sure the SoA game would also fail.

 

SA was all about the crazy stuff but you just cant compare the gang system of TLAD to the one in San Andreas, this one wasn't fleshed out as very well compared to the one in San Andreas. If I think about a spiritual successor, I think about tbogt because of all the wacky stuff and missions.

When i meant spiritual Successor to SA,TLAD is the 2nd Gang-Themed Game in the Series,yeah the gang was that fleshed out,but during a Gangwar in TLAD you could check you gangmates Health Stats,After the ending "Get Lost" you could call for Back up and be in front of a Bike Lead.Plus you gangmate could drop a gun in the Clubhouse i guess SA didnt have that.Yeah SA is the Greatest Gang Game ever made but TLAD is the Greatest Outlaw Biker Game Ever made.

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SonOfLiberty

 

 

Why do people seem to think that if a game is colorful and not always dark and gritty that it can't have a good story. The world that Luis Lopez lives in is very intertwined with the criminal world so it is very realistic. Just because it has some over the top missions does not mean the story is bad.

 

TBOGT's problem is it's apart of the trilogy GTA IV and TLAD are where both of those games show the grit and grime of LC whilst conveying powerful themes and messages.

TBOGT is more lighthearted with its nightlife vibe and over the top characters such as Yusuf. I guess in some ways it shows those qualities of GTA IV and TLAD, but it was clear R* were catering more to the big explosions every 5 minutes, parachuting and general chaos crowd rather than the story driven crowd GTA IV and TLAD were aimed at, but I understand why they did what they did.

In the past I've probably been too harsh on TBOGT. It's a good game in its own right. GTA IV and TLAD are simply better IMO.

I will say though as far as endings go TBOGT destroys GTA V in that regard.

 

LC is based on the real New York and it has the glitzy nightlife as well as the grit and grime so it is actually quite realistic. Me and this girl I was dating at the time used to hang out in places like Bahama Mamas all the time.

I didn't say it wasn't realistic, but when GTA IV and TLAD were so story driven with their approaches it's not hard to see why some people feel TBOGT's story is weak by comparison since it opted more for gameplay than story like the other two.

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JaysonVoorhees

I don't think TBoGT was bad at all for what it was as an expansion. GTA 5 isn't bad either but I feel like cramming in 3 characters takes away from its depth. Should have just been about Michael and left Frank out of the equation I think.

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woggleman

Luis would have been better if his voice actor did a better job. People complain about his womanizing but most criminals get laid a lot so I don't mind. He is a red blooded heterosexual male after all.

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SonofLosSantos

What I don't understand is how people talk about all three protagonist in V and say all 3 of them are horrible people that you arent supposed to like, and you have to be "crazier than them" to relate to them. I don't really see this in franklin. He never really did anything to make him a terrible person, I like him and I could even relate to him. What made him anywhere near as bad as Michael and Trevor?

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Black & White

I find it funny when people say you can't compare TBoGT because it was an add on because I think The Lost and Damned had a far better storyline than GTAIV and GTAV.

 

I don't know.

 

I loved TL&D.. but GTA IV and GTA V are quite good. I think TL&D was rushed a little bit. The club was running slightly smoothed and got involved in the drug trade. Even though the Lost MC were heavily affiliated with drugs, we never really experienced it and Rockstar forced us into it. Doing jobs for Stubbs was also too much. I didn't really think blowing up a well-known politician with a rocket launcher went well with me. It wasn't really relevant to Johnny Klebitz's skills.

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BLOOD

 

 

I find it funny when people say you can't compare TBoGT because it was an add on because I think The Lost and Damned had a far better storyline than GTAIV and GTAV.

I don't know.

 

I loved TL&D.. but GTA IV and GTA V are quite good. I think TL&D was rushed a little bit. The club was running slightly smoothed and got involved in the drug trade. Even though the Lost MC were heavily affiliated with drugs, we never really experienced it and Rockstar forced us into it. Doing jobs for Stubbs was also too much. I didn't really think blowing up a well-known politician with a rocket launcher went well with me. It wasn't really relevant to Johnny Klebitz's skills.

 

I respect your opinion bro but TLAD was a great addition to the Franchise,I couldnt believe a GTA game was going to be SO Bike Focused and it also introduced alot of features to the Franchise,being the 2nd Gang themed game in the series it was Great and built upon Gangwars Greatly (although i never liked Gangwars either in SA or TLAD) plus it the only true Openworld Biker Game Ever made.Ride to Hell is a disagree to TLAD and Video Games in General.Remember one of Stubbs mission flared up Controversy again.

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woggleman

What I don't understand is how people talk about all three protagonist in V and say all 3 of them are horrible people that you arent supposed to like, and you have to be "crazier than them" to relate to them. I don't really see this in franklin. He never really did anything to make him a terrible person, I like him and I could even relate to him. What made him anywhere near as bad as Michael and Trevor?

He kills people as well. It is a game where you play a criminal or criminals in the case of V so they aren't supposed to be nice guys.

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SonofLosSantos

just because you kill someone doesn't make you a bad person.

maybe I'm just more sympathetic because I grew up around people who do that kind of stuff. idk.

 

 

and also...

 

I don't think TBoGT was bad at all for what it was as an expansion. GTA 5 isn't bad either but I feel like cramming in 3 characters takes away from its depth. Should have just been about Michael and left Frank out of the equation I think.

without franklin, the story would've just been Michael getting pissed at his family until they leave his sorry ass and just watches tv and smokes and drinks all day. there wouldn't even be a game.

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PkUnzipper

GTA V didn't really have a story TBH. It was just a superposition of shallow characters and their uninspiring lifestyles which all lack a solid backstory. The SP version of the game we got back in Sept was light years off the hype build up we got in the game trailers.

 

Also the SP game trailers we got were really misleading, and especially where the heists were concerned. This was the central feature in SP, yet didn't live up to the standard we got in those game trailers. And this feature (and the stock market) have yet to show up in GTAO. This wasn't the case for GTA IV, because what you saw was exactly what you got with GTA IV regardless of which DLC (or base game) you played:

 

FACT : BoGT PLAYED THE WAY IT LOOKED (and returned the fun factor that had been missing in the base game):

 

 

 

FACT : GTA IV had it's many flaws, but it PLAYED THE WAY AS ADVERTISED ON THE TIN:

 

 

 

And GTA IV wins in regards to storyline for being the most complete and comprehensive. GTA V leaves you with a WTF that's it? sort of feeling at the end. GTA V also sucks in terms of character development. Because with the exception of Trevor, the other 2 protags are superficial, uninteresting, and completely forgettable. Trevor had so much potential but R* slacked off and missed a great opportunity to redeem SP in terms of a decent backstory.

 

This makes GTA V the first in the series where I felt zero connection to any of the protags. Haven't really revisited SP since completing it before Christmas either.

 

Compared to GTA IV (and all its 3 DLC) playing GTA V was like ordering a 14oz NY strip steak at the Outback---and ending up with a McD happy meal.... :/

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SonOfLiberty

Speaking of misleading the trailers made Trevor's drug dealing side of TPE much more prominent in the game than it really is. I actually thought it was going to be something we could do on the side, but it's only briefly exploited in the story.

 

Oh and how can we forget in the gameplay trailer implying we could purchase residential property in single player?

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SonofLosSantos

that sh*t made me mad as hell. the website was only used for strangers and freaks missions. R* knew exactly what they were doing. they aren't stupid. they're just misleading lazy liars.

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Geralt of Rivia

that sh*t made me mad as hell. the website was only used for strangers and freaks missions. R* knew exactly what they were doing. they aren't stupid. they're just misleading lazy liars.

How can you call them lazy? They created a game of massive scale, that took 5 years...And they're lazy?

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SonofLosSantos

EXACTLY! it took them 5 years!

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Geralt of Rivia

EXACTLY! it took them 5 years!

Making a game isn't easy!

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SonofLosSantos

when you are R* and have some of the best Devs in the industry, 5 years was enough time to make the game ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that people wanted. but its a difference of opinion I suppose..

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Geralt of Rivia

when you are R* and have some of the best Devs in the industry, 5 years was enough time to make the game ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that people wanted. but its a difference of opinion I suppose..

You're never going to make everything people wanted. You're never going to make everyone happy.

 

And no, your statement is not true at all. What about console limitations? How are they supposed to do everything with such a sh*tty machine?

 

This, on top of all the other factors I really shouldn't have to name, make it not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

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Cjrememberthat
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El Penguin Bobo
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No vote, I liked both stories, though in TBOGT, you weren't the FIB's lapdog...

 

@Cjrememberthat I don't know why you think V isn't an open world game when it's labelled as one, haha.

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Cjrememberthat
18 minutes ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

No vote, I liked both stories, though in TBOGT, you weren't the FIB's lapdog...

 

@Cjrememberthat I don't know why you think V isn't an open world game when it's labelled as one, haha.

Wasnt talkin about tbogt at the lapdog part already

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El Penguin Bobo
2 minutes ago, Cjrememberthat said:

Wasnt talkin about tbogt at the lapdog part already

I'm sorry, what?

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Cjrememberthat
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1 hour ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

I'm sorry, what?

Well i tought you understood wrong,tought you understood it like "luis and 5's protags every one of em   Has been feds lapdog" , i only meant 5's protags.Forgive me if im still bein mistaken about somethin.My eng is a little weak...

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El Penguin Bobo

That's okay. I was talking about V's protagonists being the lapdogs of FIB.

 

By the way, I was asking why don't you think that V doesn't always feel like an open world game.

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Cjrememberthat
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Dude it's an awesome open world game  but i can't seem to accept the fact even trevor worked for those douchebags for a long time.I meant to say how i hate the feds' missions, gta 5 of course is an awesome open world game and it always will be

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El Penguin Bobo

@Cjrememberthat Okay, I understand now.

 

I hated those FIB pricks, they are the worse.

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Journey_95

GTA V is definitely much better. Michael and Trevor are much more memorable and interesting than Luis (who is more on Franklin's level, bland af), their relationship alone makes V better in terms of story. And the over the top tone is handled better and in a more natural way as well in GTA V.


TBOGT tried too hard with Luis's dumb bro's and Yusuf etc. and it kind of dragged down the established gritty tone and style of Liberty City.

 

 

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perennial

The story of GTA V had more highlights but it was more frustrating for me. Despite the promising start GTA V took a huge nosedive with the whole FIB servant thing. I found Luis and Tony's relationship more entertaining than that of Michael and Trevor. I liked Luis more than Franklin and Trevor, or more than GTA V protagonists on average. Bulgarin was a joke but still a better main antagonist than all of the candidates in GTA V.

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Cheatz/Trickz

I think V edges purely on story because as a longer game, it at least has some room to include bits and pieces that are actually good. Michael is really a great character too, though he’s wasted on V, he’d have been up there with Niko, John and Arthur in the V we never got. 

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