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theadmiral

General North Korea discussion

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Tchuck
14 minutes ago, G's Ah's said:

How? 

Read my post.

14 minutes ago, G's Ah's said:

North Korea didn't exist at the time the Congo Free State did. The two aren't comparable. 

Says you. One was a nation who willfully enslaved an entire state and caused a genocide that was swept away by the history books because black people don't matter. The other went and imprisoned dissenters and whatnot. Yet you only call one evil. But it doesn't fit your narrative of evil right.

 

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The fact that you seem to be under the impression that North Korea's horrific human rights record is nothing more than Western propaganda is quite incredulous.

Where have I said that their internment camps are western propaganda? Where have I denied that they exist and weren't/aren't used for torture and forced labor? Show me. 

Cause what I did say was that it is highly hypocritical to single out one nation as evil and claiming it as one of the countries with the worst history of human rights records, and put it on the same level with the likes of Israel, Nazi Germany, the British Empire.

14 minutes ago, G's Ah's said:

It's worse.

Seriously? Internment camps are now worse than genocide and the holocaust? Ok we're done then.

 

Oh but it is pretty rich that you will question the veracity of what North Koreans say, except when said North Koreans are denouncing the regime.

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G's Ah's
11 minutes ago, Tchuck said:

Read my post.

I did. All I received was a thinly veiled attempt at apologism. 

 

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Internment camps are now worse than genocide and the holocaust?

No, they're on par with that, but they are worse than what the "allies" are supposedly doing now. 

 

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Oh but it is pretty rich that you will question the veracity of what North Koreans say, except when said North Koreans are denouncing the regime.

Because a totalitarian regime that pumps out propaganda and attempts to control what it's citizens believe about themselves and their situation in life, and one which commits atrocities not seen since the days of Auschwitz, has a lot of incentives to lie.  

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G's Ah's

I'm going to assume it's a refinement of current missile technologies. 

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Tchuck
On 7/31/2018 at 3:13 PM, Darth Yokel said:

Been over a month since then, and nothing else came up. Sounds like an attempt to find things that were never there just to sow intrigue in the region. No nation was ever alarmed at it either.

 

So....

 

And look at that, a military parade without ICBMs. 

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Typhus

There is speculation that Chinese President Xi Jinping will attend the coming North Korean summit along with the leader of South Korea, to officially announce an end to the Korean War:

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2019/02/356_263281.html

If this is the case, it will be a great step forwards and likely do a lot to further thaw relations between North and South.

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Tchuck

North Korea is showing the world that it is possible for the US to mind their own f*cking business. All you need is a bargaining chip: ie, nukes.

Get nukes, and you get peace.

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Typhus

Trump has become the first President to visit North Korea:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jun/30/trump-arrives-at-demilitarised-zone-to-meet-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-live

Regardless of what one may think of Trump, this is a hugely important move, and a very positive one at that. Anything which promotes peace and dialogue should be celebrated.

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Tchuck

Absolutely great for the region. Collaboration between the two Koreas will ensure peace in the region. Only Trump could have done this, imo. If it was Clinton? Hah. She'd have bombed NK by now. Obama? Never gave a sh*t about Korea. Wouldn't make a deal with them either since Dems would have a collective aneurysm if he tried. 

 

Now if only Trump would do the same towards Iran!

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Smith John

I'm just munching away on my toffee-flavoured popcorn while watching the BBC going apesh*t claiming it's just a photo op for the 'entertainer in chief'. It's f*cking hilarious watching them spaz out!

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sivispacem

I mean to a certain degree it is a photo op. Nothing precludes it from being both that and a positive step forward. It's definitely not just a cynical photo op (and I'm interested in where you got the impression the BBC claimed it was as that's totally contradictory to the discourse that happened in Today on R4 at about 6:15 this morning). But to claim it exclusively as some diplomatic triumph is also pretty short sighted; the history of the Korean peninsula is filled with grand gestures (albeit few on this scale, and several during the Trump presidency) that have amounted to little more than that in the long run.

 

The key sticking point- disarmament- remains the same. Unless the US administration shifts it's approach- that is to say, relaxes sanctions and begins to encourage the DPRK back into the diplomatic community- then little will change in the long run. I question whether the DPRK will ever give up nuclear weapons through diplomacy though- only one state has ever voluntarily disarmed, South Africa, and that was as a result of a collapse of the entire existing political and social order.

 

Similarly, I have concerns whether powerful elements in the DPRK military are as amenable to a thawing in relations; certainly the progress in previous years was not mirrored by any decline in DPRK offensive activity in cyberspace, quite the opposite in fact.

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DareYokel

Pointless. NK won't change unless their regime changes. That won't happen peacefully. The only thing that Trump is doing is strengthening Kim Jong-Un's power and influence.

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Tchuck
14 hours ago, DareYokel said:

Pointless. NK won't change unless their regime changes. That won't happen peacefully. The only thing that Trump is doing is strengthening Kim Jong-Un's power and influence.

Yes. Because we all know how great America's track record is in violent regime changes. Iraq, Afghanista, Libya, Vietnam, Syria, Kuwait.... All now much better nations thanks to American influence, right?

 

NK is doing exactly what any state would be doing. Those sanctions aren't doing sh*t to get NK to cooperate; they're only harming the civilian population. 

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