Algonquin Assassin Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Only in a perfect world. Personally I feel all GTAs have their positives (Yes that includes San Andreas shock, horror), but most of us have our biases that cloud an impartial point of view. I'm the first to admit I'm one of the most biased on here. To me the only GTA that stacks up against GTA IV is VC. That's beauty of different opinions and subjectivity. If we all agreed/disagreed on the same thing conversations would be rather dull and boring. While it would be nice if everyone could treat each game by seeing their positives and negatives it's never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3WZ1LL4 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 After playing through each GTA since GTAIII my personal list goes (Including Episodes from LC as separate entities) : 1a. GTA IV 1b. GTA VC 2. GTA TBOGT 3. GTA V 4. GTA LAD 5. GTA SA Algonquin Assassin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golf wang Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I guess it's the "cool thing" now to hate on V. Yeah because it makes sense to appear as being cool and acting cool to people you have never personally met face-to-face. And I don't believe most V forum members's idea of being 'cool' is to do something as trivial as criticizing a popular video game. I don't mean "cool" in that way, which is why I put it in quotes. I just mean it as it seems to be the thing to do around here. It's just better to accept that many people were not fully satisfied with the game, and in some ways letdown by it. No need to conjure up such ludicrous theories. I understand. It's not really a "theory" of mine, just something I said kind of jokingly. Personally speaking, I don't understand why we as GTA fans can't just accept and enjoy all the games. All of them have their flaws and all of them have their positives, which is why we are GTA fans in the first place. I'm not speaking to you specifically by the way, just the GTA fanbase as a whole. I understand you see so much good in GTA V and I can see why you are bewildered by the fact that many other GTA fans cannot share the same joy you have in your perception of the game. But to put this in short, many people where expecting this game to really great and fully meet their expectations, and with very good reason too. Even though it did in some areas, V fell short in far too many areas to be considered a flying success critically, especially when it was in the best position to capitalize on advancements in HD gaming development and to learn from mistakes of the immediate previous GTAs. It's not enough just being a GTA fan to be fully satisfied with a GTA game these days. After you given a world-class product, and your're promised an even-better world-class product from the makers, you expect to get that, especially after many years of waiting for it and experiencing pre-release commercial and media hype of the product. If you don't get that, your're gonna feel the need to be very vocal about criticisms and complaints that follow. It makes no difference as to how big of a GTA fan you may well be. Good points. The bigger GTA fans who followed the pre-release hype may very well have many valid reasons to be disappointed, which is why there seems to be such a divide when it comes to hardcore fans' opinions on V and casual fans' opinions on V. On the one hand, many hardcore fans followed all the hype and info, and expected something that would deliver and improve on all of IV's mistakes, which is not exactly what we got. From what I gather, most casuals were very impressed with the game, and weren't so when IV came out. Many of my friends are casuals and I remember most of them just could not get into the story of IV, not because the story itself was inherently bad, but because the missions were just so repetitive, especially in the beginning. Most of my friends don't even remember any of the awesome little things in IV, like being able to turn on and off the car engine, throwing ketchup bottles, side missions, etc. They just remember the dark blurry graphics of IV and that's it, which is a shame because IV was a very great game. Only in a perfect world. Personally I feel all GTAs have their positives (Yes that includes San Andreas shock, horror), but most of us have our biases that cloud an impartial point of view. I'm the first to admit I'm one of the most biased on here. To me the only GTA that stacks up against GTA IV is VC. That's beauty of different opinions and subjectivity. If we all agreed/disagreed on the same thing conversations would be rather dull and boring. While it would be nice if everyone could treat each game by seeing their positives and negatives it's never going to happen. I see what you're saying, Liberty. I just think it's a shame for GTA fans to dismiss an entire GTA game as garbage just because they didn't like one feature, the theme, etc. Like the people who dismiss GTA IV as garbage just because it wasn't an SA clone, it just sucks when people do that, in my opinion. Algonquin Assassin and Official General 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Ex Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) IV. No contest. It certainly was better written. Well said. Edited January 26, 2014 by Deus Ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIEXEL Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 IV's story was prettey good, but I liked V's better. It was something new from the ''Do this and do that'' for Mobsters, and half of the game wasn't really doing Jobs for the Feds like people say (8 Missions involve the feds). It was more than enough! It should be only two missions and then Michael put a bullet in Steve Haines' head. Official General 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Official General Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) IV's story was prettey good, but I liked V's better. It was something new from the ''Do this and do that'' for Mobsters, and half of the game wasn't really doing Jobs for the Feds like people say (8 Missions involve the feds). It was more than enough! It should be only two missions and then Michael put a bullet in Steve Haines' head. Tenxax keeps saying that, but he misses the fundamental point. Even if doing jobs for the feds was not technically half of the game's story - it certainly damn felt like it was. Even then, those 8 missions were quite long in themselves, so it would have felt even longer than that. Edited January 26, 2014 by Official General matajuegos01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinro Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) I really enjoyed GTA IV's Story up until the third island(Alderney) was unlocked. After that I seriously felt it was rushed. I loved the introduction of an Eastern European Setting, and the gloominess of Liberty City. The interaction between Roman, Niko, and especially Dimitri was amazing, but after Three Leaf Clover I personally felt that Rockstar could've done more to the story. Maybe more involvement with the Mafia, or even the triads. It seemed that they were just thrown into the mix just to say they were included. While GTA V's story was mediocre in comparison, It seemed Rockstar went over their heads storywise by going with the three character setup(gameplay wise it was brilliant, but it did seriously hinder the story). I was hoping to see a more of a Californication based story, and maybe an expanded upon environment for Franklin. Franklin didn't really seem to belong in the ghetto's of Los Santos, but then again it didn't seem like he belonged in upper Los Santos aswell. Maybe if they changed his physique or maybe the way he spoke, he would seem more comfortable and linkable to the areas he current resides in. Michael, was tough for me to personally like. He seemed like he had just been lazy to both his family, and his livelihood, and that made it difficult to connect to him. Trevor on the other-hand, was very underdeveloped for me as you don't really know much about him except that he's completely f*cked. But I wanted to know how, and why he is the way he is. I was hoping to learn more when you meet his mother, but as soon as you come back to the roughed up shack he calls home, she is gone. Maybe she didn't exist or maybe she left, that's up to the player to decide, but I was hauling ass to get back, just to learn more about Trevor's past, only to be disappointed. Edited January 26, 2014 by Kinro matajuegos01, Papi Chulo and Algonquin Assassin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Winthorpe Herrington Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I would have to say V had the better story line simply because at the end of IV you are still poor which really pissed me off. All that work and nothing but an average apartment that is shared with my cousin and his stupid woman?? I know he is not there when I am there...but the fact that when I pick him up for a little hang out time he will be there or ask me to drop him off at that location. I was hoping we would get Yusefs apartment in TBOGT but nothing...a crumy little simpleton apartment fit for a squatter. You completely missed the point of GTA IV's story then. I still liked the story actually. It was a wild ride of this immigrant trying to get rich, but it just did not happen that way. I was a big fan of vice city (take everything over and become a ruler of the city). Also in san andreas we could buy a lot of properties and take things over so you feel at the end of the game you have accomplished something. IV had a good story...it just was not my story and it let me down not getting a big mansion at the end. Thankfully V has been good enough to supply me with a humble home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Arthur Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I still liked the story actually. It was a wild ride of this immigrant trying to get rich, but it just did not happen that way. I was a big fan of vice city (take everything over and become a ruler of the city). Also in san andreas we could buy a lot of properties and take things over so you feel at the end of the game you have accomplished something. IV had a good story...it just was not my story and it let me down not getting a big mansion at the end. Thankfully V has been good enough to supply me with a humble home. It makes sense that Niko wouldn't get a big mansion. After all, his cousin or girlfriend just got killed. I wouldn't expect him to care about money or glamour after that. The story proved that no matter how much money you have at the end, you will never get your loved ones back. Also, IV's story was described as a "rags to slightly better rags" story, not the classic "rags to riches" type of story. Algonquin Assassin and donnits 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolcksta Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 GTA IV, it felt more realistic, and certainly more engaging then GTA V... donnits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetopper Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 This would be a toss up for me. IV and the DLC games were awesome. Stories were great. But V had a character that I couldn't WAIT to put a cap in. Steve Haynes ( Haines? ). I mean what a douchenozzle that guy was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proletariat Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 There's nothing in IV which rival moments like Michael's monologue in Bury the Hatchet, or his drug fueled soaring epiphany in Did Somebody Say Yoga. Those moments touched me, in a sense. I was left in awe. Ha ha, that's a joke. The scene in IV where the Albanians have a shootout with the Irish Mob outside the cathedral during one of the McCreary's funeral alone sh*ts all over all of what you stated from V. Is that a fact? Don't try to make it sound like a fact when ALL opinions are subjective.... It's fact because I say so, what u gonna do about it ? You see, I like IV's story better, but not the story-telling method. I like the script, but not the redundancy of the dialogue The story was compelling and much thought was given to character development, but not enough attention was given to how Niko is ultimately able to overcome adversities. The ending of IV was pretty weak IMHO. Really just let either Roman or Kate die by doing or not doing a deal with a criminal? The only really compelling parts of GTA IV were Niko's realization after the execution of Vlad (and his realizations even if he didn't kill Vlad), Niko talking about how the rich manipulate the young and angry to fight in war, and saving Roman from the Russian mobsters. Okay, TLAD and TBOGT weren't really all that great and I could've cared less for the protagonists in there. IV is more realistic which I loved, but V was the perfect balance between satirizing the American reality and realism of the characters. I just wish the story would've taken out Franklin (saved him for a DLC), and focus more on Trevor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woggleman Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 This would be a toss up for me. IV and the DLC games were awesome. Stories were great. But V had a character that I couldn't WAIT to put a cap in. Steve Haynes ( Haines? ). I mean what a douchenozzle that guy was. I agree. As much as I hated Dimitry I really hate hypocrites and that is what corrupt law officials are. It's why killing Pulaski and Tenpenny was so great and why I really like killing Francis Mcreary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Winthorpe Herrington Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I still liked the story actually. It was a wild ride of this immigrant trying to get rich, but it just did not happen that way. I was a big fan of vice city (take everything over and become a ruler of the city). Also in san andreas we could buy a lot of properties and take things over so you feel at the end of the game you have accomplished something. IV had a good story...it just was not my story and it let me down not getting a big mansion at the end. Thankfully V has been good enough to supply me with a humble home. It makes sense that Niko wouldn't get a big mansion. After all, his cousin or girlfriend just got killed. I wouldn't expect him to care about money or glamour after that. The story proved that no matter how much money you have at the end, you will never get your loved ones back. Also, IV's story was described as a "rags to slightly better rags" story, not the classic "rags to riches" type of story. Yes, it's just too bad. I remember watching "I'm Rich" on tv in my sh*tty apartment thinking how I want this money of Tony McTony before I go outside and start stabbing random people for petty cash. I do see their point wanting to break away from the predictable rags to riches theme...but there is a reason it is a theme, and that is because it is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchclock Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 They have different styles. It's like comparing 'Carlito's Way' to 'Scarface' - same talent - but a silly comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Winthorpe Herrington Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 They have different styles. It's like comparing 'Carlito's Way' to 'Scarface' - same talent - but a silly comparison. And there you have it. Nobody wants to go out like Carlito. At least Scarface lead his own demise after he was already bored with being at the top. Carlito never even had a taste. Now which character would be more fun in a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyojinEM Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) Bump VC story was better Edited May 17, 2015 by emiliumium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygrowls Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Did you seriously bump the topic just to say Vice City was better? The Dedito Gae, Payne Killer and theGTAking101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyojinEM Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Did you seriously bump the topic just to say Vice City was better? gtaguy95 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaran Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Well, that was a pointless bump. Algonquin Assassin, tranceking26 and theGTAking101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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