Question about next gen consoles

[uzi 9mm]

Aren't the PS4 and XboxOne games just basically the same as PS3 and 360 games but with better graphics? I know the new consoles are more powerful and can handle better games, but so far the games that are being released are also available on the PS3/360, so doesn't this make the games technically the same, except the graphics being better? If this is the case then I don't see the point in wasting money yet, I can easily go and buy a PS4 now if I wanted to, but I won't get one with what games are available now and force myself to play them just because it's next gen and looks impressive visually. It's clear that if a game is being released on both the PS4 and PS3, the game can't be that much diifferent, the graphics and framerate is all. gameplay wise it's just a PS3 game in hi-res.

 

I might even get a Wii U, it's playing on my mind. I like the look of the new Mario game, the Zelda remake looks good, and they have games to come like Mario Kart 8, a new Zelda, Donkey Kong and the games just look like a lot more fun to play then what the PS4/Xbone has right now. Obviously when better games start being released like the new Uncharted, the next GTA, MGS etc... the PS4 will be more attractive and I'll get one, but I don't see it as worth the money right now.

 

I do admit I did wanna get a PS4 near to it's launch, but only because of the rush to get one due to it's scarcity and people saying it's hard to get one, but I realised that it was the sole reason that it's rare to ind one in store and that I just wanted it to say 'I got it', but I phoned around and Tesco said 'they are all sold out...online, but me saying this over the phone and you actually going in-store with the cash may give you a different result', I went t Tesco in Thornton Heath the next day to but some food and stuff, and asked someone, I told them I want a PS4, I've got money, he said they had a few available, but I didn't get it, I said I'll come back with the money even though I had my bank card on me, I was only testing them.

Edited December 15, 2013 by uzi 9mm

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Yeah, BF4, Rivals, Ghosts are on PS3 but are absolutely sh*t on it. It's much better on the PS4 because frame rate is pretty much has consistency and sometimes only drops a bit but that is it. Ghosts is definitely not worth it, but BF4 is very good on it. But yeah, in terms of games wise, it isn't system sellers. Killzone Shadowfall is a PS4 exclusive however, and it is very good too. Warframe and DCUO are excellent.

[redx165]

Aren't the PS4 and XboxOne games just basically the same as PS3 and 360 games but with better graphics? I know the new consoles are more powerful and can handle better games, but so far the games that are being released are also available on the PS3/360, so doesn't this make the games technically the same, except the graphics being better? If this is the case then I don't see the point in wasting money yet, I can easily go and buy a PS4 now if I wanted to, but I won't get one with what games are available now and force myself to play them just because it's next gen and looks impressive visually. It's clear that if a game is being released on both the PS4 and PS3, the game can't be that much diifferent, the graphics and framerate is all. gameplay wise it's just a PS3 game in hi-res.

 

I might even get a Wii U, it's playing on my mind. I like the look of the new Mario game, the Zelda remake looks good, and they have games to come like Mario Kart 8, a new Zelda, Donkey Kong and the games just look like a lot more fun to play then what the PS4/Xbone has right now. Obviously when better games start being released like the new Uncharted, the next GTA, MGS etc... the PS4 will be more attractive and I'll get one, but I don't see it as worth the money right now.

 

I do admit I did wanna get a PS4 near to it's launch, but only because of the rush to get one due to it's scarcity and people saying it's hard to get one, but I realised that it was the sole reason that it's rare to ind one in store and that I just wanted it to say 'I got it', but I phoned around and Tesco said 'they are all sold out...online, but me saying this over the phone and you actually going in-store with the cash may give you a different result', I went t Tesco in Thornton Heath the next day to but some food and stuff, and asked someone, I told them I want a PS4, I've got money, he said they had a few available, but I didn't get it, I said I'll come back with the money even though I had my bank card on me, I was only testing them.

Right now they're the same but after 1 or 2 years those consoles are going to have games only for them like how the PS3/360 did.

 

Destiny

Star Wars Battlefront ( Made by DICE ) Let's hope its as good as the first 2.

Mad Max

Planetside 2 ( Free for PS4 when it comes )

Watch Dogs ( Its coming to PS3/360 but it won't even be close to the same experience )

 

These games besides for Watch Dogs are only available on Next Gen consoles.

 

Also forgot to add even though BF4 is a launch title its way better on PS4/One due to its 60FPS.

Edited December 15, 2013 by redx165

[Node]

I managed to play on one yesterday and instantly I was addicted, it's so much faster and the visuals, wow.

 

I was playing Assassins Creed, it made me feel like the Xbox 360 slim I have now was a PS1.

 

Even though none of my mates said they were going to get any eight generation console I'd still buy one If I had the money.

[uzi 9mm]

I guess it may be better waiting a bit for a PS4, I'm not really being sucked in by the games available atm, if a game worth getting comes out I might get one, but for now, I reckon it'd be better to wait, I do want a Wii U too, but I might even wait a bit for that too, I reckon there'll be a price drop sooner or later.

[Killerdude]

If i were you, I'd wait another 6 months for a price drop, bug fixes and a nice selection of games to choose from before going for a new Console.

 

As of right now, They ain't got sh*t.

[uzi 9mm]

yeh that's my point exactly, i don't really see a good reason to spend my money, i was hoping maybe to hear someone give some good reasons to why they've bought theirs, but it's safe to say the only games we'll see atm are ps3/360 games with better graphics and 60fps, since they're still not developing these games at full capacity in order to downgrade it for the last-gen consoles. and of course the odd exclusives but i don't think i'm that intrigued yet.

 

the wii u i say, has been playing on my mind, but i still don't know, i still don't understand why the f*ck Nintendo are building weaker consoles, i mean if they built the wii u to the specifications of the ps4/xbone, then 3rd party developers would be more likely to put their games on the wii u, and they'd fare better in the console war, i honestly don't know what they're plan is, they seem bent on doing things their own little way and seem to release a console which is not powerful enough, there are still a lot of games of their i want to play, and i dont know if i should spend £250 for a wii u with zelda:wwhd (a game ive already clocked twice before) and buying the new mario world separately.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

I don't get it, what the hell is so good about baby games like Mario and Zelda? I mean it's good as a kid, but f*ck me, how do you find it enjoying now? At least from my opinion. Ratchet and Clank, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot are all better than those overhyped piece of sh*t games on Nintendo's sh*tty consoles.

[esmittystud101]

First and foremost, I have an Xbox 360 and upgraded to the Xbox One. Huge difference atleast for me. Graphics are greatly improved. Anyone that tells you different either can't see with there own two eyes or they are just upset they don't have one yet. But they will get one eventually, I assure you. The dashboard alone is totally different. All the apps are different on each console. I can go from game to dasboard to netflix in a matter of seconds, then go back to the same exact spot in the game if I wanted to. This alone is a huge difference and a step up for me.

 

Okay, I'm not downing on you guys for waiting or anything, I know money is hard to come by these days and I guess I'm just lucky on that part of life. But the whole price drop is not going to be what some think it will be. I would say six months from now, they might drop maybe $50 at most on say a console alone or maybe a console bundle. That alone is a big fat maybe. Both consoles are selling quite nicley right now. They still will be six months from now. To be quite honest, I can't even see them dropping the price for atleast one year minumum. It would be a terrible bussiness move to drop the price on such a hot item thats selling so well.

 

The whole point of my story: You can choose now to buy a next gen. Your only going to pay maybe $50-$100 more now, or you could wait one to two years and get it maybe for $100 cheaper. The $100 isn't worth it to me atleast to sit here for the next year, searching forums and youtube videos to look at next gen games, when I could go buy one and play them. I've noticed most of these people searching formus and looking up you tube videos are guys that didn't buy next gens, and are wondering how they are. (Which is fine)

 

So either buy one now, or wait a whole year for a measley $100 price drop. The choice is yours. I'll pay the extra $100 now and just quit wondering about them. I'd rather play them than just watch.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

^

 

Yeah, that's why a lot of X1's have had issues with the disc drives and a lot of people had HDMI problems with the PS4 although that was a fixable solution.

[UtricularEwe001]

First and foremost, I have an Xbox 360 and upgraded to the Xbox One. Huge difference atleast for me. Graphics are greatly improved. Anyone that tells you different either can't see with there own two eyes

Yeah but 1080p/60fps is still better than 720p/30fps

[IHerbert]

Waiting until next year for mine.

HOWEVA', I've tried a PS4 at a friend's; it was a great experience. The controller feels incredible, the graphics and performance (in terms of Black Flag) are great, etc.

[kipakolonyasi]

only a gta can make me buy a new console.

[m8son]

The reason I got a PS4 is for 64 player Battlefield on console, the glorious graphics are also a plus.

[esmittystud101]

 

First and foremost, I have an Xbox 360 and upgraded to the Xbox One. Huge difference atleast for me. Graphics are greatly improved. Anyone that tells you different either can't see with there own two eyes

Yeah but 1080p/60fps is still better than 720p/30fps

 

 

Not sure if your just trolling me or your saying my Xbox 360 is better than my Xbox One, or your comparing PS4 to Xbox One? I'm confused. So I'm going with your trying to argue that PS4 is so much visually better than Xbox One, which is funny to me now every time I hear this.

 

Here's the thing with the whole 1080p/60fps vs 720p/30fps. It depends on the tv. My buddy has PS4 playing on a crappy Sanyo 50' 1080p 60 hrtz refresh rate LCD. He comes over to hang out at my place, which he never does usually (really I think he is there to capare BF4 visuals) the first ten minutes of playing Obliteration he says "dude yours looks better than mine" and its only 720p/30fps on my Xbox One.

 

The key was I'm playing on a Vizio 50' 1080p 240 hrtz. refresh rate LCD. So I'll give you 1080p/60fps is better than 720p/30fps. But unless you fork out the cash for a good tv, 1080p/60fps means sh*t.

Edited December 17, 2013 by esmittystud101

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

You are right about the 1080p but not the 60 fps. You must be thick to say that 60 fps is not better than 30. Dead Rising 3 goes all the way down to 10 on X1 which is terrible. Battlefield only goes down to 45-50 on the PS4, no more than that. Plus you only need a decent LCD TV to notice the different resolutions between the two.

[esmittystud101]

You are right about the 1080p but not the 60 fps. You must be thick to say that 60 fps is not better than 30. Dead Rising 3 goes all the way down to 10 on X1 which is terrible. Battlefield only goes down to 45-50 on the PS4, no more than that. Plus you only need a decent LCD TV to notice the different resolutions between the two.

I'm not saying 30fps is better than 60fps. I know 60fps is better than 30fps. Which I even said at the end of my post if you would take the time to read correctly and not just find an opportunity to troll, which you do best.

 

I am saying the tv matters. So unless you have a good tv, your 60fps means sh*t. I know your saying it doesn't. Which I'm calling you out on your wrong. I think you play on a 60 hrtz tv would be my guess, because if you had a 240 hrtz. tv you would not be arguing with me.

 

Huge difference form 60 hrtz. refresh rate from 240 hrtz refresh rate. I used to think a "decent LCD tv" (cheap 60 hrtz) was okay untill I bought a 240 hrtz refresh rate tv. Its not even close visually. From blu ray to just plain tv to next gen. Its like night and day.

Edited December 17, 2013 by esmittystud101

[uzi 9mm]

I don't get it, what the hell is so good about baby games like Mario and Zelda? I mean it's good as a kid, but f*ck me, how do you find it enjoying now? At least from my opinion. Ratchet and Clank, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot are all better than those overhyped piece of sh*t games on Nintendo's sh*tty consoles.

How can you compare Mario or Zelda to Ratchet and Clank or Spyro the Dragon? Please, give me a break, maybe Crash Bandicoot was a bit of fun I guess, but not even a lot of games these days have been able to replace the kind of experiences I had playing any Mario or Zelda game. And I don't get why you think they're are baby games, they're for people of all ages. And plus coming from a baby like yourself, I don't see the point of your involvement here.

 

Anyway.

 

@ esmittystud, it's nice to know money isn't much of an issue to you. I can actually buy one myself you know, I work full time and live at home with my parents, I don't smoke, we don't pay rent because our house is owned, I get decent wages too so I'm not exactly skint, but that's irrelevant, I just don't see why I (or anyone in fact) should buy the new consoles for the sole purpose of just having it for better graphics, a new dashboard, or switching from it to netflix (which doesn't even relate to playing video games). Like I say, the new games out right now aren't anything special, they are just PS3/360 games with the next gen graphics (hi-res textures) and 60 fps. All I'm hearing so far is 'better graphics and 60fps' which isn't good enough.

 

I think in this day and age, I put a bit more thought into where I spend my money and can see a publicity stunt in action, so the new consoles are out now, everybody's raring to get one, some people start to panic and go and spend their money on something they think is nearly 'sold out'. These companies are smart bastards, they want you to believe that, but in actual fact they have sh*t loads of 'em, the whole point is to make money, don't go thinking they will run out so easily. I can wait a bit longer, and maybe for some real games to come out, not just CoD, Fifa, Killzone...the usual sh*t that gets boring fast. All the good games are in development still, it's gonna be a while before we see some proper games, what they release now is substandard merchandise that keeps 'simple people' occupied. If I bought a PS4 now, the novelty would wear off quick, and it'd be gathering up dust whilst I wait for better games to come out.

[UtricularEwe001]

 

 

First and foremost, I have an Xbox 360 and upgraded to the Xbox One. Huge difference atleast for me. Graphics are greatly improved. Anyone that tells you different either can't see with there own two eyes

 

Yeah but 1080p/60fps is still better than 720p/30fps

 

Not sure if your just trolling me or your saying my Xbox 360 is better than my Xbox One, or your comparing PS4 to Xbox One? I'm confused. So I'm going with your trying to argue that PS4 is so much visually better than Xbox One, which is funny to me now every time I hear this.

 

Here's the thing with the whole 1080p/60fps vs 720p/30fps. It depends on the tv. My buddy has PS4 playing on a crappy Sanyo 50' 1080p 60 hrtz refresh rate LCD. He comes over to hang out at my place, which he never does usually (really I think he is there to capare BF4 visuals) the first ten minutes of playing Obliteration he says "dude yours looks better than mine" and its only 720p/30fps on my Xbox One.

 

The key was I'm playing on a Vizio 50' 1080p 240 hrtz. refresh rate LCD. So I'll give you 1080p/60fps is better than 720p/30fps. But unless you fork out the cash for a good tv, 1080p/60fps means sh*t.

Haha No. Refresh rate (RR, 60 htz/240 htz) only matters when the FPS is higher than the RR (A 60Hz T.V produces 60 individual images per second, so it is more than capable of doing 60fps). Even though most games say they are 60 fps, they do not constantly run on 60FPS. They run anywhere between 35-55fps.

 

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

 

And the 1080p doesn't even matter when it comes to RR, since that's what your monitor is outputting natively.

 

Just look at the images of both X1 and PS4 of AC4:

 

http://i6.minus.com/ibjJH5vUnvss6f.PNG

 

http://abload.de/img/creed_iv_comparej4s2h.jpg

 

This is from Eurogamer's Digital Foundry. Are you saying you can't see the different?

[esmittystud101]

Dude, you can argue all day about your specs. You can show me website after website. I still call bullsh*t. The fact is a 240 hrtz tv looks better than a 60 hrtz. tv any day of the week. Doesn't matter what your playing on the tv and its specs. It wouldn't matter if the FPS is 120 fps. Its not going to look as good on a 60 hrtz. tv compared to a 240 hrtz tv. I have owned three 60 hrt. tv's and still do. None of them look even remotley close to my 240 hrtz. tv. Thats what I am saying. I could be playing PS4 on my 60 hrtz. tv. Not going to look as good as a PS3 on my 240 hrtz. tv. I'm done with this topic and PS4 b*tt plugs. Good riddens. Also blocking two PS4 plugs now.

Edited December 18, 2013 by esmittystud101

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Not it won't look better on a 240 hertz TV. If a game has been made to run on 60 FPS, it won't look or run any better on a 240 hertz tv from a 60 hertz TV. The number of pixels on the screen is increased, that is all. You're a f*cking retard. The fact that you call those websites bullsh*t is ironic since you don't know anything about TV's. Keep acting deluded.

Edited December 18, 2013 by FranklinDeRoosevelt

[UtricularEwe001]

Oh well, I tried, but you can't have a fair discussion with a blind fanboy ignoring the factual evidence and posting his Anecdotal evidence.

[Huffin-Puffin]

The launch of the 360 had a lot of games that were upscaled PS2 ports, because they were the most popular consoles. This gen we had pretty massive sales for all three consoles, so rather than the new machines competing against just one last gen winner, they're competing against two and they've launched at the same time so they're competing against each other as well.

 

In that climate it makes no sense to develop a game exclusively for one of both of the next gen platforms unless you have a vested interest in that systems sales (because you're a second or first party developer), they're paying you to do it or you're EA and can afford to just shove f*cking games everywhere. Ubisoft are having a real crack at it, because last gen Assasin's Creed was one of the first massive, exclusive, next gen games and it made them a tonne of money. This new generation will have that game as well, maybe when Titanfall or Destiny comes out, or maybe late next year or early 2015. It also depends how the hardware sells once its actually available, rather than people snatching the f*ckers from each other at knifepoint.

 

I wanted to be into the new machines, but there's no games I want. I'm not into sports games (except Hot Shots Golf), I'm not a huge fan of games where you drive real cars in circles and I can't stand the way FPS games have gone. I know people love those games and I'm glad they do but they're just not my thing. I like some Japanese games, so I'm hoping that after PS4 launches there then we might see some announcements which interest me (an RPG maybe) or something which forces me to buy it (Street Fighter). If that doesn't happen I'll see how FFXV reviews, but chances are I'll not buy it until they announce a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game. Or maybe another Deus Ex game.

 

This Christmas I bought a Wii U. Nintendoland for when there's people about, plus Mario 3D World, Wind Waker HD and an excuse to play Human Revolution again. Half the price of playing the slightly shinier next gen games, and it has f*ckING EARTHBOUND. For less than $100 they're going to let me just own Earthbound. Sold.

[uzi 9mm]

Less than $100? I don't get it, are you saying you got a Wii U and those games for less than that?

 

Anyway, at least you kind of agree that the next gen consoles aren't really producing games to the full extent. And unfortunately it's because they know a lot of people still want to get the most out of their PS3's and 360's before they end their cycle, so they will make loads of games that will be available on both the PS4 and the PS3 (and vise versa).

 

So I'm not sure about the Wii U yet anyway, but I'm destined to get one since I'e bought every Nintendo console since the SNES, so I doubt I'll be mission out on this one. It's just a matter of when. Anyways, back to work...

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

Of course the next gen consoles won't have the great games yet, it just launched. If they released the great games now, all the sh*t one's would come out later and would ruin anticipation and the consoles would be no fun with sh*t games. 2014 is going to be the start of a great year for the PS4.

[Andreas]

There is only a very small number of true next-gen titles out there, if even that. Most videogames right now are either current- or cross-generation games. The real deal is coming in the next years, so I would say that purchasing a PS4 or Xbone now is just a waste of money. I for one will wait until 2014 to avoid all the bugs, glitches and possible errors on the earlier revisions of the consoles. Not to mention that they will be cheaper by next year, and there will be more appealing titles to choose between.

Edited December 20, 2013 by Andreas.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

It doesn't mean it's a waste of money now. £350 is cheap as f*ck considering PS3's shabby launch. The best thing for people who really want to buy it straight away is, keep it stacked in a room until next year, in mint condition. Like the guy above said, true next gen titles will come out. But at the moment, Killzone and Battlefield seem like the only next gen titles at the moment.

[Huffin-Puffin]

Less than $100? I don't get it, are you saying you got a Wii U and those games for less than that?

Sorry for the confusion, the "less than $100" comment was about Earthbound, which costs that much on a SNES cart, but is now available on Wii U Virtual Console, so I'm excited to be able to play it for less than that.

 

I'm in the UK, but I paid £155 second hand for a Wii U console, £35 for Zelda, £38 for 3D World and £15 for Nintendoland.

[uzi 9mm]

 

Less than $100? I don't get it, are you saying you got a Wii U and those games for less than that?

Sorry for the confusion, the "less than $100" comment was about Earthbound, which costs that much on a SNES cart, but is now available on Wii U Virtual Console, so I'm excited to be able to play it for less than that.

 

I'm in the UK, but I paid £155 second hand for a Wii U console, £35 for Zelda, £38 for 3D World and £15 for Nintendoland.

 

Nice, I think there's probably tons of pre-owned Wii Us out there that are in mint condition since people probably got rid of them as it has a bad rep, I really do wanna play the new Marios and Zeldas, plus Mario Kart, SSB, and I've always liked the Sonic games, now that they are on Nintendo's consoles it kills two birds with one stone, plus the new Donkey Kong looks worth buying, these games alone are enough to make me want a Wii U, I'm just gonna hold out for a bit.

 

@FranklinDeRoosevelt, £350 isn't really that cheap considering all you get is the console and a pad, you'll need games to play it, it is cheap for a launch price though I'll say that, but I wouldn't buy it and keep it locked away, that's definitely a waste of money, if you buy it now you might as well just buy the games for it to play it. What Andreas is saying makes sense, in the long run it's better to wait, but there's nothing wrong with getting one now, the games are still quite good, tasters of what's to come, but I personally just don't see anything great coming out for a while. Watchdogs looks ok but we'll have to see what kind of reception it gets when it's out.

[FranklinDeRoosevelt]

 

 

Less than $100? I don't get it, are you saying you got a Wii U and those games for less than that?

Sorry for the confusion, the "less than $100" comment was about Earthbound, which costs that much on a SNES cart, but is now available on Wii U Virtual Console, so I'm excited to be able to play it for less than that.

 

I'm in the UK, but I paid £155 second hand for a Wii U console, £35 for Zelda, £38 for 3D World and £15 for Nintendoland.

 

Nice, I think there's probably tons of pre-owned Wii Us out there that are in mint condition since people probably got rid of them as it has a bad rep, I really do wanna play the new Marios and Zeldas, plus Mario Kart, SSB, and I've always liked the Sonic games, now that they are on Nintendo's consoles it kills two birds with one stone, plus the new Donkey Kong looks worth buying, these games alone are enough to make me want a Wii U, I'm just gonna hold out for a bit.

 

@FranklinDeRoosevelt, £350 isn't really that cheap considering all you get is the console and a pad, you'll need games to play it, it is cheap for a launch price though I'll say that, but I wouldn't buy it and keep it locked away, that's definitely a waste of money, if you buy it now you might as well just buy the games for it to play it. What Andreas is saying makes sense, in the long run it's better to wait, but there's nothing wrong with getting one now, the games are still quite good, tasters of what's to come, but I personally just don't see anything great coming out for a while. Watchdogs looks ok but we'll have to see what kind of reception it gets when it's out.

 

I agree with that. That is what I basically am saying. Launch games are not system sellers although it kind of gives you a taste of what's to come. £350 is an amazing launch price even if it comes with the console and pad. Remember the PS3? I do NOT want to remember that. But yeah, it is generally better to wait. With the PS4, the good thing is you will only need to wait until next year before you can get a PS4 as well as inFamous second son with it and more great games.

Edited December 20, 2013 by FranklinDeRoosevelt