So why didn't anyone care about Ryder? [Spoilers]

[Rollin69]

Five great reasons why Ryder is the worst character ever.

 

1. He talks so much sh*t and is rude to everybody.

 

2. He has a very annoying voice. He sounds like his notsrils are plugged up.

 

3. He's a f*cking midget.

 

4. He looks like a Jamaican retard.

 

5. He's light-skinned. Light-skinned people like Ryder are bitches.

 

Those are reasons R* should've taken him out of the game.

[Mister Pink]

I'm glad they didn't go too sentimental. Like someone else mentioned, Ryder was sneaky and it was just a case of good riddance. Yeah they were friends since kids but they were neighbours too and you can't really choose your neighbours.. You just have to try get a long. Ryder proved himself to be so two-faced. I don't think CJ and Sweet were too hurt. They had bigger fish to fry.

[roadrage19]

I'm glad they didn't go too sentimental. Like someone else mentioned, Ryder was sneaky and it was just a case of good riddance. Yeah they were friends since kids but they were neighbours too and you can't really choose your neighbours.. You just have to try get a long. Ryder proved himself to be so two-faced. I don't think CJ and Sweet were too hurt. They had bigger fish to fry.

Man Sweet didn't even know about Ryder's betrayal since CJ never mentioned him to Sweet. I felt that Ryder needed a much bigger role in the storyline.

[Mister Pink]

I'm sure CJ told Sweet or someone else in contact with him in prison. It may not have been in the game but we don't need to it.

 

I can understand your point of view. However, maybe I'm just biased because I love SA so much, I'm kind of thinking the story didn't need much more of anything due to it's size and the sizable story, antagonists and amount of characters.

 

In what way do you think we needed more of Ryder? We all ready have two people, partners in crime that pretty much destroyed Grove Street Families - Big Smoke and Ryder. One of them gets whacked in San Fierro and the other goes on in a final boss capacity. I think it's fitting that we had two inner-circle antagonists as a part of a 'twist' or reveal when we see they sold out GSFs. One of them gets whacked along the way and the other in sort of "final boss" capacity.

 

I liked Ryders character and I'd love to see some throwback DLC with him or I'd defo love see more of his character in some way but I never once got disappointed by Ryder's exit because he was a mean-spirited, disrespectful, poisonous, self-serving, back-stabber.

 

To me, Ryder and BS were like a pinky and the brain character. BS was obviously the brains of the operation, he always spoke more philosophically to CJ when consoling him etc and Ryder was probably the more agile one, lighter on his feet and probably handy enough with handling himself on the streets but he wasn't really too smart you know he just smoked copious amounts of herb.

[roadrage19]

I'm sure CJ told Sweet or someone else in contact with him in prison. It may not have been in the game but we don't need to it.

 

I can understand your point of view. However, maybe I'm just biased because I love SA so much, I'm kind of thinking the story didn't need much more of anything due to it's size and the sizable story, antagonists and amount of characters.

 

In what way do you think we needed more of Ryder? We all ready have two people, partners in crime that pretty much destroyed Grove Street Families - Big Smoke and Ryder. One of them gets whacked in San Fierro and the other goes on in a final boss capacity. I think it's fitting that we had two inner-circle antagonists as a part of a 'twist' or reveal when we see they sold out GSFs. One of them gets whacked along the way and the other in sort of "final boss" capacity.

 

I liked Ryders character and I'd love to see some throwback DLC with him or I'd defo love see more of his character in some way but I never once got disappointed by Ryder's exit because he was a mean-spirited, disrespectful, poisonous, self-serving, back-stabber.

 

To me, Ryder and BS were like a pinky and the brain character. BS was obviously the brains of the operation, he always spoke more philosophically to CJ when consoling him etc and Ryder was probably the more agile one, lighter on his feet and probably handy enough with handling himself on the streets but he wasn't really too smart you know he just smoked copious amounts of herb.

Just saying that the way Ryder ended up as a traitor along with Smoke just seems as if R* just improvised his motivation and decided to just turn him into a double-crosser in a perfunctory manner. Throughout the whole game, CJ just talks all about Smoke and in the King of Exile, Cesar calls the enemies as Smoke, Tenpenny and Pulaski. Not once is Ryder ever mentioned throughout this conversation. Then after CJ talks about how he felt bad for killing Ryder, Cesar tells him that Ryder tried to f*ck Kendl. That was so random and made no sense whatsoever. It seems as if R* didn't originally plan to have Ryder as a main character but made him one at the last second.

 

I feel that Ryder should've just stayed on CJ's side. I mean just think about the irony. The "jerkass" is loyal and the "good guy" is the backstabber.

Edited July 9, 2015 by roadrage19

[B Dawg]

I got it! Ryder turned because Cesar stole his girl! It all makes sense now!

[Jeansowaty]

I got it! Ryder turned because Cesar stole his girl! It all makes sense now!

Ryder, Cesar, Kendl. There are three people in this.

 

 

loominaty c*ntfirmed

 

[ATeaDaze]

"Psycho" is a bit strong, isn't it? I'm not saying he should have crawled into a ball and cried in his garage, but everyone just STOPPED talking about him. It was all about Smoke. Even after Smoke died they were mentioning him, if you get me.

Psycho is a bit strong, eh?

Some construction workers were harassing Kendl so...

1. He kills everyone on the site and

2. Buries the foreman alive in concrete

 

Just saying...

[Xing of Virtue]

At least CJ and Cesar mentioned him in Yay Ka-Boom-Boom.

 

But yeah, strange that Sweet and Kendl didn't say anything about him.

[Osho]

strange that Sweet didn't say anything about him.

In Green Sabre, it becomes clear as to why Sweet didn't give Ryder any importance:

Carl Johnson: Cesar called, showed me some sh*t. It's Smoke, and he in deep with Tenpenny and some Ballas! He sold us out!

Sweet: It doesn't matter, man.

 

He only cares about the GSF and not the sell outs like Ryder.

and Kendl didn't say anything about him

meh.. why would she care about him? I don't find any reason for her to even bother about Ryder, nor have him on her mind to care either.

 

In fact, I thought more about why Ryder didn't care about anyone in GSF before selling them out?

So, I don't see anything wrong if no body care about him for his cowardly act of selling out the entire Grove street family. He deserved it. Totally!

[Coleman627]

 

strange that Sweet didn't say anything about him.

In Green Sabre, it becomes clear as to why Sweet didn't give Ryder any importance:

Carl Johnson: Cesar called, showed me some sh*t. It's Smoke, and he in deep with Tenpenny and some Ballas! He sold us out!

Sweet: It doesn't matter, man.

 

He only cares about the GSF and not the sell outs like Ryder.

and Kendl didn't say anything about him

meh.. why would she care about him? I don't find any reason for her to even bother about Ryder, nor have him on her mind to care either.

 

In fact, I thought more about why Ryder didn't care about anyone in GSF before selling them out?

So, I don't see anything wrong if no body care about him for his cowardly act of selling out the entire Grove street family. He deserved it. Totally!

Dude, Sweet doesn't even know about Ryder's betrayal because CJ never even told him about it and only mentioned Smoke. We're saying that R* made it as if Ryder was an unimportant character after his betrayal even though he was a passionate member of the GSF before becoming a sellout. He felt like a minor character no different from Kane compared to Smoke.

[Osho]

What is the difference between Smoke and Ryder?

If Sweet says, "It doesn't matter, man" after CJ told him that Big Smoke sold them out, then is there anything special about Ryder that Sweet would react differently, if CJ also mentioned about Ryder's betrayal like getting emotional and shedding tears of shock, "Holy sheeit! Ryder betrayed us! I am not sad about Smoke but Ryder?? Oh God! I am sooo saaad"???

The answer is a no-brainer.

NO!

Simply because Big Smokes betrayal would affect Sweet more than Ryders'.

Also, the audience ( players ) need to understand the "sense" of the story missions they are playing, too. Not everything can be possible for the developers to explain literally word-to-word and generally left to be understood.

If CJ didn't mention Ryder doesn't mean Sweet wouldn't know about his betrayal. That's a very poor kind of argument I have ever heard.

Sweet was arrested and awaiting for trial. Just because CJ didn't mention the term "Ryder", he wouldn't know about his betrayal?

Sweet will definitely know about this while imprisoned either through Tenpenny, or any GSF member.

This is really common sense.

And even after that, It wont matter to Sweet about Ryders betrayal to even care about. For him, its CJ, and his family that matters.

[Coleman627]

What is the difference between Smoke and Ryder?

If Sweet says, "It doesn't matter, man" after CJ told him that Big Smoke sold them out, then is there anything special about Ryder that Sweet would react differently, if CJ also mentioned about Ryder's betrayal like getting emotional and shedding tears of shock, "Holy sheeit! Ryder betrayed us! I am not sad about Smoke but Ryder?? Oh God! I am sooo saaad"???

The answer is a no-brainer.

NO!

Simply because Big Smokes betrayal would affect Sweet more than Ryders'.

Also, the audience ( players ) need to understand the "sense" of the story missions they are playing, too. Not everything can be possible for the developers to explain literally word-to-word and generally left to be understood.

If CJ didn't mention Ryder doesn't mean Sweet wouldn't know about his betrayal. That's a very poor kind of argument I have ever heard.

Sweet was arrested and awaiting for trial. Just because CJ didn't mention the term "Ryder", he wouldn't know about his betrayal?

Sweet will definitely know about this while imprisoned either through Tenpenny, or any GSF member.

This is really common sense.

And even after that, It wont matter to Sweet about Ryders betrayal to even care about. For him, its CJ, and his family that matters.

I'm just saying that the way Ryder was portrayed after his betrayal felt that he acted as a minor character who was no different from Kane. He was a wasted character who's motivation seemed rushed when R* made the game. It was as if there was never a character named Ryder in the game after he was eliminated off. I'm not saying that Sweet should cry or feel upset that his long-time friend became a traitor if he found out, but he seemed to act as if he never met a guy named Ryder since he doesn't even at least ask about his whereabouts. Ryder's betrayal just felt improvised to me. Either that or R* didn't plan to have him as a character in the game originally.

[The Dedito Gae]

I'm guessing the "Busta" insult touched a nerve.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Midnight Hitman

[Boyz2Society]

 

What is the difference between Smoke and Ryder?

If Sweet says, "It doesn't matter, man" after CJ told him that Big Smoke sold them out, then is there anything special about Ryder that Sweet would react differently, if CJ also mentioned about Ryder's betrayal like getting emotional and shedding tears of shock, "Holy sheeit! Ryder betrayed us! I am not sad about Smoke but Ryder?? Oh God! I am sooo saaad"???

The answer is a no-brainer.

NO!

Simply because Big Smokes betrayal would affect Sweet more than Ryders'.

Also, the audience ( players ) need to understand the "sense" of the story missions they are playing, too. Not everything can be possible for the developers to explain literally word-to-word and generally left to be understood.

If CJ didn't mention Ryder doesn't mean Sweet wouldn't know about his betrayal. That's a very poor kind of argument I have ever heard.

Sweet was arrested and awaiting for trial. Just because CJ didn't mention the term "Ryder", he wouldn't know about his betrayal?

Sweet will definitely know about this while imprisoned either through Tenpenny, or any GSF member.

This is really common sense.

And even after that, It wont matter to Sweet about Ryders betrayal to even care about. For him, its CJ, and his family that matters.

I'm just saying that the way Ryder was portrayed after his betrayal felt that he acted as a minor character who was no different from Kane. He was a wasted character who's motivation seemed rushed when R* made the game. It was as if there was never a character named Ryder in the game after he was eliminated off. I'm not saying that Sweet should cry or feel upset that his long-time friend became a traitor if he found out, but he seemed to act as if he never met a guy named Ryder since he doesn't even at least ask about his whereabouts. Ryder's betrayal just felt improvised to me. Either that or R* didn't plan to have him as a character in the game originally.

 

Well that's one way to look at it I suppose.

[nickvick197]

I think it has something more to do with the fact that R* is just so lazy when it comes to character development. Either they weren't originally going to have Ryder as a traitor but randomly made him one anyway since they had no idea what to do with him after CJ leaves LS, or R* wasn't originally going to even have Ryder as a character of the game in the first place - or at least just have him as a side character. Either way, I know it wasn't intentional, because if it was, it would've been better portrayed, and CJ would mention both Smoke and Ryder, not just one of them since they were both his friends from childhood. Ryder's betrayal was just poorly written, and why everybody on this forum is showing nothing but apathy towards his character is an enigma to me since they always discuss how flawless the storyline is, being the fanboys of this game they are.

[Honker1944]

His bertral is a real bullsh*t. It will be better if he would have been killed in mission green sabre. For example he van watch smoke's bertral from the top of the roof. Then he could been spoted and killed by ball OGs or he can escape. His bertral was made too fast. Why? Becouse in mission photo oprtunity we see ryder the same in pier69. Why we see Smoke only in End of the line. It's a bit strange isn't it?

Edited October 16, 2015 by Honker1944

[--Vega--]

All Ryder did was talk sh*t to people, just like people who are complete bitches to in real life too.

 

They usually also get completely forgotten about when they're gone, kinda like Ryder. Lol.

[Honker1944]

He was only rude to buster Carl. About two-faced personality. Smoke was powerfyl and Sweet was getting weaker every day. Sweets proved he was a real pussy. He let his brother escape, let Brain died,let ballas killed his mother,let his sister be a woman enemy gang leader, soo...What do you do on his position,huh?And also you are missing one point. Ryder give us information about green sabre car. Why? I think he was wainting for sweets reaction. But what sweet do? NOTHING. Ryder betral grove becouse he take care about himself like more of normal people. Even cj don't want to be a grove member. I can even say that he give a sh*t about the hood.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Honker1944

[Mr.Bigshot]

I think Rockstar never planned to have Ryder as a character for the game at all. Maybe when they were making the character, they liked the Eazy-E impersonation and decided to have that character as a side character. But one of the other guys probably liked the character's design and decided to have him as a main character along with Sweet, CJ, and Big Smoke, all three of whom were really the only main focus originally, and Ryder just happened to be that impromptu addiction. They also put the character in the game at the last minute and sort of rushed his motivation without any thought to in. Since they had no use for his character further on in the game, they decided to just improvise his betrayal without at least thinking it out first.

[Deus Ex]

I for one am happy. R* star did thought about Ryder. As i said before, they made sure that in the end, he gets the water he was looking for so badly.

[Lance Wilson Ryder]

Rockstar originally wasnt going to make ryder a traitor , when they come up with the idea , there wasnt much time left to record new lines to the characters about ryder.

[LittleWeasel]

Ryder always bothered CJ, he always thought that he was annoying as f*ck, also, Ryder ain't nothing more a street junk and an arrogant buster, Smoke was smarter than Ryder and he showed it, he was always a CJ friend.

Also, remember that Smoke was the power dude, the most important antagonist and in CJ life.

[Henry Hernandez]

I'm beginning to get the feeling that R* just didn't plan to have Ryder as a character to begin with. It feels like R* originally made Ryder a background character and then decided to make him one of the main characters of the GSF because they saw some value in him. Then when the story evolved, they just simply had no idea what to do with him and just improvised his betrayal without much of a thought. So yeah. Ryder was a wasted character.

[Paul723]

I'm beginning to get the feeling that R* just didn't plan to have Ryder as a character to begin with. It feels like R* originally made Ryder a background character and then decided to make him one of the main characters of the GSF because they saw some value in him. Then when the story evolved, they just simply had no idea what to do with him and just improvised his betrayal without much of a thought. So yeah. Ryder was a wasted character.

Ryder is something TV Tropes say that "They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character".

[PhillBellic]

 

I'm beginning to get the feeling that R* just didn't plan to have Ryder as a character to begin with. It feels like R* originally made Ryder a background character and then decided to make him one of the main characters of the GSF because they saw some value in him. Then when the story evolved, they just simply had no idea what to do with him and just improvised his betrayal without much of a thought. So yeah. Ryder was a wasted character.

Ryder is something TV Tropes say that "They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character".

 

Also, 'They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot'.

[JTap0]

Ryder was a... uhmm.. Busta'!

That's exactly what I was thinking! Lol.

[hozupindahows00s]

Ryder always bothered CJ, he always thought that he was annoying as f*ck, also, Ryder ain't nothing more a street junk and an arrogant buster, Smoke was smarter than Ryder and he showed it, he was always a CJ friend.

Also, remember that Smoke was the power dude, the most important antagonist and in CJ life.

Yep. Ryder is a 100% forgettable and unmemorable character. I don't know why R* didn't just get rid of that character completely. Anyone who likes him deserves to get slapped across the face.

[TheMack20]

The problem is that Ryder had so much potential to be one of the most memorable characters on the game, seeing as he had that special charisma that set himself apart from many other characters, but unfortunately was a wasted character. I thought R* could've done so much more with him and they had the potential to make him a great character. But they unfortunately fell short because either they had no idea how they should use him or wasn't originally going to add him as the main character and decided to keep him a side character instead right before they changed their mind and made him one of the main characters. His betrayal made no sense to begin with, and his death scene was just lazy. In other words, Ryder was just a wasted character who had so much potential but didn't get it. It's as if he never existed in the game to begin with.

[Honker1944]

Anyone who likes him deserves to get slapped across the face.

I dunno what kind of games have you been playing with your boyfriend but there is no need in telling that to whole forum.