So why didn't anyone care about Ryder? [Spoilers]

[hot-temper27]

I always hated that Ryder acted as a minor character after his betrayal. I mean he's CJ's friend from childhood and a long-time member of the Grove Street Family, and yet he gets killed off the game as if he's some minor target to complete a single mission. Ryder will always be my favorite character of the game. Shame how he ended as. Terrible ending for a great character (although his missions could've been written much better).

[roadrage19]

I always hated that Ryder acted as a minor character after his betrayal. I mean he's CJ's friend from childhood and a long-time member of the Grove Street Family, and yet he gets killed off the game as if he's some minor target to complete a single mission. Ryder will always be my favorite character of the game. Shame how he ended as. Terrible ending for a great character (although his missions could've been written much better).

Yeah. Ryder was pretty much the only character who was cohesive to the main theme of the game, and then he became a traitor. Way out of character for him.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Yeah, I was pretty disappointed at how they handled Ryder's involvement in the story after he turned on GSF. His death was like killing any random pedestrian looking target and the dialogue between him and CJ was near nonexistent. Just "I'm a f*cking genius" and nothing more. It would be a disappointment for me to find out his betrayal and death was improvised and not originally intended to occur. It makes sense because Smoke had all the glory and Ryder was treated as no different than the traitor killed at Doberman. At least they did make the minimum effort of acknowledging him in the next cutscene before Cesar tells CJ that it had to be done.

 

If he wasn't meant to turn, I guess they made the move later on because he would've been a loose end and plot hole when you move out of Los Santos. Sweet goes to prison, Cesar and Kendl follow you while OG Loc goes his separate way and Smoke becomes allies with CRASH and Ballas. They probably had no idea what to do with Ryder and couldn't just ignore him, so he rode Smoke's coattails. Annoys me because he is my favorite character in the game.

[SAVILLAIN]

ryder faked his death

[natetheguitarkid]

it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him.

Disturbed you to no end? You were losing sleep over Ryder? The brain dead crack smoking backstabber lol this forum is silly. I cant believe some of you people. The internet is a strange place.

[roadrage19]

 

 

it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him.

Disturbed you to no end? You were losing sleep over Ryder? The brain dead crack smoking backstabber lol this forum is silly. I cant believe some of you people. The internet is a strange place. You need to grow up, kid. You're getting pissed over a fictional character from a video game.

 

And btw, Ryder smoked marijuana, not crack.

[lil weasel]

And btw, Ryder smoked marijuana, not crack.

Do you boil Mary-Jane, and bury it in jars? I do not think so...

[Jeansowaty]

He was smoking water, which is actually PCP. Both of it ain't weed or crack.

[natetheguitarkid]

 

 

it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him.

Disturbed you to no end? You were losing sleep over Ryder? The brain dead crack smoking backstabber lol this forum is silly. I cant believe some of you people. The internet is a strange place.

You need to grow up, kid. You're getting pissed over a fictional character from a video game.

 

And btw, Ryder smoked marijuana, not crack.

 

You seem to be the only one getting pissed. You seem to have a knack for tracking down my posts about Ryder and getting anal pains over them.

[roadrage19]

 

 

 

 

it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him.

Disturbed you to no end? You were losing sleep over Ryder? The brain dead crack smoking backstabber lol this forum is silly. I cant believe some of you people. The internet is a strange place.

You need to grow up, kid. You're getting pissed over a fictional character from a video game.

 

And btw, Ryder smoked marijuana, not crack.

 

You seem to be the only one getting pissed. You seem to have a knack for tracking down my posts about Ryder and getting anal pains over them. Ok, again, you need to grow up, youngster. It's only a video game. It isn't even that serious. Edited April 14, 2015 by roadrage19

[90sGTA]

Every time I replay the game it always bugs me how no one really cares about Ryder. Once you kill him, his name rarely pops up ever again. It's always "Smoke betrayed us! I can't believe he did that! Why did Smoke betray us!" but the upset about Ryder is very downplayed. I mean yeah he was a bit of an asshole but surely that'd piss them off more? There's only one real cutscene where CJ shows a bit of remorse for killing him and Ceaser just said "It had to be done" and then all is forgotten. I've played through GTA SA many times, but I always wondered if there was something I missed to this affect? Why they hardly care about Ryder at all?

I think that Ryder was probably just added to the game as a side character and R* just didn't known how to develop his character. They made him a member of the Grove and just decided to randomly turn him into a traitor without any planning. You can tell that his betrayal was poorly written, and there are no extenuating circumstances for him to get completely ignored after that. Not even Sweet acknowledges Ryder's absence and Ryder was a close friend to Sweet. Ryder should've stayed loyal to CJ. It would be more interesting seeing him smoke his last joint and teaming up with CJ, finally giving him the respect he deserved ever since the latter's return to LS. Edited May 19, 2015 by 90sGTA

[Rollin69]

If you guys really like Ryder, your the biggest retards ever. How can any of you like that light-skinned c*nt? He's the worst character ever, and that's a fact too. His voice is horrible and he looks like a Jamaican retard. I hate that light-skinned asshole and I hate anyone who likes him.

[Osho]

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

[Rollin69]

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

That's what I'm saying. How could anyone like that light-skinned midget asshole? He ruined the whole first half of the game for all of us. His voice is annoying and he looks like a broke ass Jamaican chump. All light-skinned dudes are assholes, and Ryder is one of them. If the game were to take Ryder out of the game, GTA San Andreas would be 100% perfect. I hate that light-skinned midget and I hate anyone who likes him. I remember when I punched a guy in his face when he said Ryder was his favorite character. Edited May 21, 2015 by Rollin69

[SA4life]

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

I 100% agree. How could anyone like that f*cking light-skinned bastard? He was a horrible character from the start of the game, and that's a fact too. Anyone who likes him is obviously retarded to the max. I mean it too. I agree with the other guy. The game would be soooooooo much better if that light-skinned c*nt was taken out of the game. Just have CJ, Sweet, and Smoke as friends and the whole game would be a classic.

[Rollin69]

 

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

I 100% agree. How could anyone like that f*cking light-skinned bastard? He was a horrible character from the start of the game, and that's a fact too. Anyone who likes him is obviously retarded to the max. I mean it too. I agree with the other guy. The game would be soooooooo much better if that light-skinned c*nt was taken out of the game. Just have CJ, Sweet, and Smoke as friends and the whole game would be a classic. I'm glad someone agrees with me. R* made the biggest mistake putting that light-skinned asshole midget in the game.

[Boyz2Society]

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

Did you ever stop to think that maybe he was a very complex and entertaining character that had the most cohesive personality of the game? (outside of his betrayal that is)

 

He was rude, brusque, curt, and had a peerless mean streak, and that's what defines a true gangster. He had the charisma not even CJ could match. That's what we loved about him. He was an underrated NP character who should've had a better role than what he was given. The fact that he became a traitor and not even acknowledged as if he was a typical ped is a sign that his character was poorly developed after his improvised betrayal. Even f*cking OG Loc, the wannabe gangster in contrast, had a bigger role.

 

Also, we don't even know if Ryder even tried to f*ck Kendl. Cesar didn't even know Ryder until he discovered his betrayal, let along the contention of trying to f*ck Kendl. Cesar was obviously saying this to make CJ feel better, kinda similar to how Rosenberg tried to make Tommy feel better when the latter showed genuine remorse for killing Vance.

 

And for the record, burying a construction worker alive just for saying Kendl looks like a hooker despite the fact that it was her own damn fault she was dressing skimpy (Sweet even told her she was dressed like a hooker for f*ck's sake) is a f*cking retarded thing to do.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[GTA19somethin]

 

Yeah. I fail to see why many people are getting so upset about Ryder? He is getting so much attention in many posts be the complains regarding one cutscene, about his death and anything else. So overrated as a supporting character to the second main antagonist Big Smoke. Ryder was a complete asshole and I never saw in him, the sort of feeling being as caring as a grove street homie as seen between Smoke and CJ, and how CJ comes off as one towards Ryder, even though Ryder felt so jealous about CJs rise in the hood and for the large part, either insulted him, or just didn't seem to keen to help CJ for example how other characters, including Smoke, tried to get CJ back on his feet successfully.

Even in the intro ( prequel ) to GTA SA, Ryder joins Big Smoke in the betrayal of grove street. Furthermore, like Cesar revealed in the mission, how the heck any sane person would even care about that asshole Ryder anymore, after hearing what he did to his sister????

Remember what CJ did to those guys in the mission Deconstruction who tried to sh*t on his sister?

So yeah, that f*ckin midget doesn't deserve any more attention than what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

I think if Rockstar ever did a prequel of the story then Ryder would fit perfectly as a secondary antagonist, but right now, f*ck Ryder!

Did you ever stop to think that maybe he was a very complex and entertaining character that had the most cohesive personality of the game? (outside of his betrayal that is)

 

He was rude, brusque, curt, and had a peerless mean streak, and that's what defines a true gangster. He had the charisma not even CJ could match. That's what we loved about him. He was an underrated NP character who should've had a better role than what he was given. The fact that he became a traitor and not even acknowledged as if he was a typical ped is a sign that his character was poorly developed after his improvised betrayal. Even f*cking OG Loc, the wannabe gangster in contrast, had a bigger role.

 

Also, we don't even know if Ryder even tried to f*ck Kendl. Cesar didn't even know Ryder until he discovered his betrayal, let along the contention of trying to f*ck Kendl. Cesar was obviously saying this to make CJ feel better, kinda similar to how Rosenberg tried to make Tommy feel better when the latter showed genuine remorse for killing Vance.

 

And for the record, burying a construction worker alive just for saying Kendl looks like a hooker despite the fact that it was her own down fault she was dressing skimpy (Sweet even told her she was dressed like a hooker for f*ck's sake) is a f*cking retarded thing to do.

haha. Well spoken, man.

[Osho]

I think you bring some good points, except for the comparisons between CJ and Ryder, which I totally disagree!

If Ryder had the charisma and qualities for a true gangster then why does he need CJs help? He is really not that great as you are making him. He is actually a weak as a person. The very first mission "Ryder" alone proves it. The way, the store manager openly taunts him saying, "No one else is that small! I feel sorry for your dad!" ..lol

Seriously, CJ still comes off much better than him. Ryder has been a busta always.

If I was in CJs place then I wouldn't waste my time on him with emotional drama, and just kill him knowing that he went against Sweet and joins hands with Smoke, who in turn formed alliance with the GSF rivals, the Ballas'.

Smoke is the one who convinced Ryder into siding him in his drug business, and the other way. If Ryder on his own did something to betray the GSF and rise above with no help from others then I'd say, he deserved a much better ending to his fate, otherwise, I am completely fine with, what Rockstar did with his part of the story!

[roadrage19]

If Ryder had the charisma and qualities for a true gangster then why does he need CJs help?

The same reason Sweet needed CJ's help despite the fact that he's the leader of the gang. Let's not forget about his injuries in the Green Sabre mission. That's what the games are designed to do. To have the protagonist assist the NP characters no matter how strong or weak they are depicted personality wise. Don't judge them based on that. Judge them by their personalities in the cutscenes.

 

Anyway, Ryder and CJ despite their occasional arguments were still friends until the former's betrayal which was an afterthought since it was very poorly written. Ryder is much better off as CJ's friend rather than have him betray him. They should've made it where Ryder helps Sweet in the Green Sabre mission and CJ tells him about Smoke's betrayal right before learning about Sweet's injuries. Then CJ and Ryder blame each other while in the Badlands and later put their differences aside. Ryder smokes his last joint, makes a pact that he will forever give up the water, and he and CJ work together in the Badlands and San Fierro.

Edited May 31, 2015 by roadrage19

[watersgta3]

 

If Ryder had the charisma and qualities for a true gangster then why does he need CJs help?

The same reason Sweet needed CJ's help despite the fact that he's the leader of the gang. Let's not forget about his injuries in the Green Sabre mission. That's what the games are designed to do. To have the protagonist assist the NP chatacters no matter how strong or weak they are depicted personality wise. Don't judge them based on that. Judge them by their personalities in the cutscenes.

 

Anyway, Ryder and CJ despite their occasional arguments were still friends until the former's betrayal which was an afterthought since it was very poorly written. Ryder is much better off as CJ's friend rather than have him betray him. They should've made it where Ryder helps Sweet in the Green Sabre mission and CJ tells him about Smoke's betrayal right before learning about Sweet's injuries. Then CJ and Ryder blame each other while in the Badlands and later put their differences aside. Ryder smokes his last joint, makes a pact that he will forever give up the water, and he and CJ work together in the Badlands and San Fierro.

Just What I was thinking. You can't judge a NP character based on what they do in the game. It's their personality that counts. That's why I never use CJ's physical feature to access which protagonist is better because R* designs all protagonists differently physical wise.

[Paul723]

Man Osho is the most querulous user everything on this whole forum. When someone points out one single flaw of this game, he gets irate as nd stomp on their windpipe all because he has a hard time acknowledging the fact that the game is not perfect and he dickrides CJ so much he berates anyone who points out his faults. Then when someone talks about how they like a character he doesn't like, he gets pissed and criticizes anyone who thinks otherwise. This guy is even worse than Son of Zeus. At least the latter doesn't criticize anyone who likes a character he doesn't like, unlike Osho's querulous, dogmatic ass.

[GTA19somethin]

Man Osho is the most querulous user everything on this whole forum. When someone points out one single flaw of this game, he gets irate as nd stomp on their windpipe all because he has a hard time acknowledging the fact that the game is not perfect and he dickrides CJ so much he berates anyone who points out his faults. Then when someone talks about how they like a character he doesn't like, he gets pissed and criticizes anyone who thinks otherwise. This guy is even worse than Son of Zeus. At least the latter doesn't criticize anyone who likes a character he doesn't like, unlike Osho's querulous, dogmatic ass.

Osho just likes to instigate bullsh*t. Him and natetheguitarkid are assholes. smh

[BlackSnow176]

I always hated Ryder's missions and how annoying he was during the game. I dislike OG Loc more though. Ryder was at least funny at times.

[B Dawg]

I actually liked Ryder. He had the most badass voice in the entire game (and you can hear it in one of the songs on Radio Los Santos)

The first Ryder mission didn't make sense when the pizza guy called him a midget when he was taller than CJ!

Edited June 22, 2015 by B Dawg

[Veigar.]

I miss him, though. He was funny. It's kind of odd how his name doesn't pop up more than once after he's killed, though.

[Boyz2Society]

I miss him, though. He was funny. It's kind of odd how his name doesn't pop up more than once after he's killed, though.

I don't know what's more shocking: the arbitrary apathy towards him or the unnecessary antipathy towards him as well. Hell even OG Loc, the biggest wannabe gangster ever, is disliked a lot less than Ryder. I mean sure Ryder was a jerk, but that's what made him a great character. His brusque and curt attitude complemented the early 90s gangster style perfectly, and that's what set him apart from the other characters since he wasn't so cliche like most of the other characters. Edited June 24, 2015 by Boyz2Society

[Coleman627]

Probably because Ryder was originally going to be a side character and eventually became a main character and a member of the GSF. I do agree that Ryder needs better character development because his betrayal made absolutely no sense to begin with. It's easy to tell that his betrayal was improvised and his character should've been more profound. Sure this is Rockstar we're talking about her, but Ryder deserves better development.

[Ran Fa Li]

That tiny busta deserved it, nigga!

[B Dawg]