lil weasel Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Ryder was more just a street punk who was also a snitch/traitor and not really going big time in the gang world. He represented at the cartel meeting, that is not a person "not really going big time". Where did the "Snitch" come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJX74 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Using found audio files, someone recreated Ryder's original demise Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Edited July 10, 2014 by RJX74 TCA, DarrinPA, matajuegos01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Simple. Ryder's betrayal was never going to originally happen. Big Smoke was supposed to be the only one who betrayed the Grove. But Rockstar didn't know what to do with Ryder, so they turned him into a traitor instead and did a pretty perfunctory job on it. It really bother me how Ryder is CJ's childhood friend yet the latter doesn't even mention his friend until he is about to kill him. The least CJ could've done is to ask his friend why he would turn his back on him. AjdarFan, Black Ninja and Jioyt 123 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Vega-- Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Ryder was more just a street punk who was also a snitch/traitor and not really going big time in the gang world. He represented at the cartel meeting, that is not a person "not really going big time". Where did the "Snitch" come from? Anybody who constantly turns on people or organizations the way he did is your typical snitch/snake in the grass (out for themselves only). In fact Ryder was a very obvious snitch and traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Ex Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 But hey, there's one good thing about that. Ryder finally found his water there. Mrmojorisin7, ChumCrumpet, DarrinPA and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iam2fresh Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him. Edited July 12, 2014 by iam2fresh AjdarFan, Jioyt 123 and Black Ninja 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him. Cesar is his friend.. and he sure as hell did f*ck his sister. So yeah that was lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 it disturbed me to no end how nobody gave a sh*t about ryder. hes cj childhood friend but all it takes for him to 100% forget about ryder is "he tried to f*ck your sister" pretty sh*tty excuse. also how sweet doesn't care either ryder tried to protect his mom but sweet just ignores him. Cesar is his friend.. and he sure as hell did f*ck his sister. So yeah that was lame. How would you know if Ryder tried to f*ck Kendl? Was there any hints or anything like it? How would Cesar know that when he didn't even know CJ until Kendl became his girlfriend? How do we know if Cesar wasn't just saying that to make CJ feel better about killing his homie? Come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVILLAIN Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 ryder > trevor DCxMoneyxMurdaz, Blingy and Black Ninja 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyz2Society Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It really annoys me how no one even mentions Ryder after his betrayal. I mean one moment, he's CJ's friend and part of the Grove Street. And the next minute, he turns into a traitor spontaneously, and finally, after he gets killed off, everyone acts as if there was never a character named Ryder in the whole game. Not even Sweet asks about what happened to Ryder after he gets out of jail. Hell, CJ didn't even mention Ryder when he told him about Smoke's betrayal in the mission The Green Sabre. So Sweet doesn't even know about his betrayal. I don't even know what the hell was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mysterious One Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I agree with all of this. Even back then, I thought that Ryder's demise was just dull. Big Smoke was made out to be the secondary antagonist, enough that you had been hunting him down throughout the whole game. I know Tenpenny made a lot more appearances than Smoke did, but at least Smoke also appeared on "Entertaining America" with OG Loc to show where he had been in between "The Green Sabre" and "End of the Line." The thing with Ryder is that you go and break up that drug deal with the Ballas and the Rifa, and what do you do? You either chase him on a boat or you can just snipe him from the pier. When I played this back then, I was like "That's it?" All Ryder said when you chased after him was "Can't stop me, punk!" or "I'm a mother****in' genius!" At least Pulaski got a final cutscene after you gun him down and he was definitely a guy who you hated the moment you first see him. I liked how the writers made him so odious at the start and Chris Penn (RIP) did a damn good job at playing that character. There could have been one last little bit of dialogue between CJ and Ryder. Jioyt 123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucy12345 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 If Ryder was taken out of the two missions he appears in after his betrayal, honestly, nothing would have changed at all, he didn't really contribute anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyz2Society Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Another thing I wanna add is that all the hate Ryder gets is just way over-the-top. I mean it's one thing to express your opinion, but to talk about it endlessly and disparage someone who actually likes him is just going way to far. I mean people talk about how much they hate him even in posts that talk about favorite characters rather than least favorite character. I remember when I was with the other guys in high school talking about the characters on the game, one of them actually tried to swing at me all because I said that Ryder was my favorite character in the game. Whoever dislikes Ryder can call me whatever they want, because no matter how much hate he gets, Ryder IMO had the best personality of the game outside of his betrayal. He was rude, brusque, and hot-tempered, and those attributes gave him that 90s gangster flavor, making him the most cohesive character of the game. People can say whatever they want, because in reality, Ryder is really no worse than Pulaski or Catalina for that matter. At least he was CJ's best friend from childhood and was actually cool with him before he left to LC. dovla99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 the vehemence some people express toward other persons comments regarding Fictional Characters can be amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watersgta3 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Another thing I wanna add is that all the hate Ryder gets is just way over-the-top. I mean it's one thing to express your opinion, but to talk about it endlessly and disparage someone who actually likes him is just going way to far. I mean people talk about how much they hate him even in posts that talk about favorite characters rather than least favorite character. I remember when I was with the other guys in high school talking about the characters on the game, one of them actually tried to swing at me all because I said that Ryder was my favorite character in the game. Whoever dislikes Ryder can call me whatever they want, because no matter how much hate he gets, Ryder IMO had the best personality of the game outside of his betrayal. He was rude, brusque, and hot-tempered, and those attributes gave him that 90s gangster flavor, making him the most cohesive character of the game. People can say whatever they want, because in reality, Ryder is really no worse than Pulaski or Catalina for that matter. At least he was CJ's best friend from childhood and was actually cool with him before he left to LC. So hold on! One of them actually swung on you just because you said that Ryder was your favorite character? Wow. I've never seen anybody make such a big deal of a fictional character from a video game. But yeah. I agree with everything you said. Apart from his betrayal, Ryder is by far the most underrated character in GTA history. Black Ninja 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Another thing I wanna add is that all the hate Ryder gets is just way over-the-top. I mean it's one thing to express your opinion, but to talk about it endlessly and disparage someone who actually likes him is just going way to far. I mean people talk about how much they hate him even in posts that talk about favorite characters rather than least favorite character. I remember when I was with the other guys in high school talking about the characters on the game, one of them actually tried to swing at me all because I said that Ryder was my favorite character in the game. Whoever dislikes Ryder can call me whatever they want, because no matter how much hate he gets, Ryder IMO had the best personality of the game outside of his betrayal. He was rude, brusque, and hot-tempered, and those attributes gave him that 90s gangster flavor, making him the most cohesive character of the game. People can say whatever they want, because in reality, Ryder is really no worse than Pulaski or Catalina for that matter. At least he was CJ's best friend from childhood and was actually cool with him before he left to LC. Yeah. I mean it's one thing to dislike a character, but to constantly speak about it in even the posts that aren't even germane to that and criticize someone who like him is just annoying. And I agree. Ryder's personality outside of his betrayal really isn't any worse than Pulaski or Catalina. Hell even OG Loc is a much more dislikable character than Ryder. At least Ryder was actually real before he joined the Ballas, unlike Loc. Paul723 and Black Ninja 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) /\OG LOC homie! OG LOC! Edited August 8, 2014 by Jioyt 123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul723 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Honestly, Ryder shouldn't have been a traitor to begin with. Smoke was an important role to betraying Grove Street, and CJ only mentions him betraying him. So Smoke should've been the only traitor. Ryder should've stayed on CJ's side. He'll smoke his last joint and finally quit for good. Then he'll work with CJ and the two, along with Cesar, would go on crazy missions altogether. That would've been more interesting. I think R* made Ryder a traitor spontaneously because they had no idea what to do with him when the MC would leave to a different city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twerkwon9 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ryder is based off of the desist rapper EAZY-E may they both rest-in-peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil weasel Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ryder is based off of the desist rapper EAZY-E may they both rest-in-peaceBased on what?"Coinsidence," says Rockstar. These are cartoon figures why would they intentionaly use a likeness that they would have to license? But, this will be a neverending discussion. There are only so many faces and variations. Maybe the Artist had a face in the back of the mind when rendering the illustration. I don't think we will ever know for sure, other than the statement "Coincidence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigreblue Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In the mission Drive Thru, based on the answer Ryder gave and the way Smoke tried to shut him up, I feel that CJ would have had to bury a brother instead of a mother if the plan had succeeded. Then there are all those cryptic comments he made to Carl about 'You don't know what's going on." Ryder was in on it from the beginning. Like Smoke, they used Carl to move their plan forward. I realised early on that something was wrong with Smoke (his initials BS for one) and the way the cops seemed to always hang around them. That's why I never really warmed to him. But a lot of people tend to like that JJ Evans type of character. I certainly don't hate the character because he never really stood out for me and what I expected him to be, he was. Definitely, his death scene could have used a bit more seasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Off topic, though i dont want to make a new topic and ys about ryder anyways. Is it possible to see ryders face at all without sunglasses? (Im sure some ones changed ryder so he doesnt have sunglasses, unless there "part" of him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucy12345 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Off topic, though i dont want to make a new topic and ys about ryder anyways. Is it possible to see ryders face at all without sunglasses? (Im sure some ones changed ryder so he doesnt have sunglasses, unless there "part" of him) http://download.gtanet.com/gtagarage/files/image_37418.jpg Flesh-n-Bone and Jioyt 123 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jioyt 123 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Hey thanks lucy12345. Much appreciated Though now i wished i didn't ask, as he doesn't look "gansta" (That nice) without shades on Ty again Edited August 21, 2014 by Jioyt 123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Zeus Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 He was such a cool character. Though initially he seems to be rude to CJ('It's embarassing to be seen with you' and ' 'You still a busta to me'), he later forms quite a good team with him('He's f*cking with Grove Street. You down?'). R* just didn't know what to do with him,so they kill him, and that to how! CJ and Ryder should have killed Smoke together..... Jioyt 123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trollsack Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Ryder was drug-riddled, ignorant, and just an asshole. He always made fun of CJ.. Big Smoke at least sometime helped. Though Ryder did deserve a cutscene after being shotd in Pier 69. Edited August 23, 2014 by trollsack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul723 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 He was such a cool character. Though initially he seems to be rude to CJ('It's embarassing to be seen with you' and ' 'You still a busta to me'), he later forms quite a good team with him('He's f*cking with Grove Street. You down?'). R* just didn't know what to do with him,so they kill him, and that to how! CJ and Ryder should have killed Smoke together..... Yeah. Ryder should've stayed with Grove Street. They should've had Ryder work with Sweet during the Green Sabre mission and had him taken to the Badlands along with CJ. Ryder could smoke his last joint, give up the weed for good, and tag along with CJ to do missions in the Badlands. Imagine how great that would be: CJ, Ryder, and Cesar working together to do missions in San Fierro. That would be kickass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroBrineR007 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Nobody cares about him and the reason is like CJ says, Shermhead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA19somethin Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 He was such a cool character. Though initially he seems to be rude to CJ('It's embarassing to be seen with you' and ' 'You still a busta to me'), he later forms quite a good team with him('He's f*cking with Grove Street. You down?'). R* just didn't know what to do with him,so they kill him, and that to how! CJ and Ryder should have killed Smoke together..... Agreed. CJ was only focused more on Big Smoke. So Smoke should've been the only traitor. It would be cool seeing Ryder working with CJ and Cesar in SF. That's what would've made the storyline better. Ryder is such an underrated character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Considering that Ryder tried to rape CJ's sister among other things, I'd say his death was well deserved. Just another basehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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