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iNero

FIFA World Cup 2014

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Jimbatron

Well, Mexico hosted a WC just 16 years after their first one so no country is to be ruled out.

@ Jimba: and that's why I lost interest in club football. If you have the money you win.
Maybe football reached its peak in the 70s and 80s and now we are already in a descending phase.
To be honest the quality of today's "top players" seems to me incredibly lower compared to what we used to see back then.
Same for the teams and pretty much for all tournaments (national or international).
Today's football is losing quality every day.

 

 

Not in the slightest... todays players are way more athletic and better trained than back then... Also in the tactics and strategy department.

And no, football is obviously growing... no idea where you got the idea of it descending.

 

 

The money I think is a bit of a double edge sword, but if I'm forced to make a decision, I'm going to have to pitch my tent in Doc's camp for this one.

 

Obviously, a degree of professionalisation has helped Football, from its origins 100 years ago when Sheffield Utd had the 24 stone (152kg/336lbs) William Foukes playing between the sticks (it's like when we were six years old and made the fat kid at school play in goal because he blocked more of it). More money means the players can devote more time to train, and get better, right?

 

The thing is before the 1990's and the birth of the Premiership (that's what really signaled the money era for me), the players were already full time. More money now generally means more wages, and not a lot else. Yes it has had some impact, but there are some things players are born with - intuitive genius like Pele or Cruyff. No amount of money and training will give your average Champions League player their gifts. As you rightly say, iNero, players have got fitter, and tactics have become more advanced, there is no denying it. However, because this applies to everyone it largely cancels out in terms of a competitive game. Also, the best players tend to have more fixtures in a season now when club matches and internationals are combined. Those around the 30 year old mark, like Van Persie, are clearly knackered by the time they reach the knock out stages of a World Cup, even though they are incredibly fit. Fixture expansion has out paced fitness training in my view.

 

You have to wonder what the money does to the players too. Some are as dedicated as ever, but for some it's perhaps not a good thing. As one example, look at the way Ronaldinho went off the rails. Reportedly asking for teams for a personal helicopter to sign for them, then the late nights, partying, women, intoxicating substances. It's an extreme example of a career nose-dive, but you wonder what it does to other players at the margins (where it's less obvious without the benefit of hindsight).

 

Then there is tactics. There is one area where this has impacted more than any other. Defense. Training and coaching has made this better organised and more effective than any other area of the pitch, and its relatively easy even if you don't have superstar players. Many minnows can get a 0-0 against a decent team by parking two buses as Jose would say.

 

So here's a point. When was the last World Cup Final when we had more than two goals and both teams were on the score sheet?

 

The answer: 1986. 28 years ago.

 

In 1998 and 2002 victories were comfortable because Brazil and Germany didn't turn up respectively and made it easy for the winners. We might have seen goals, but they were not competitive matches. Every other Final since 1986 has been decided by a 1-0 scoreline, or penalties. Competitive maybe, but definitely lacking in goals. Surely it can't be possible to have your cake and eat it, can it?

 

Now apply the same criteria further back in time. Every single other World Cup Final prior to 1990 had more than two goals with both teams on the score sheet. Every single one.

 

Assuming we like competitive games with both teams scoring, this isn't the most appealing looking trend. And I can't help but feel, it's primarily down to the tactics in the modern era. How else do you think Greece won the Euros in 2004? Even in today's money, that entire team was probably worth less than Real will pay for Kroos alone.

 

Don't get me wrong, the World Cup is still great entertainment. However, just because we have fitter more organised teams doesn't mean its more fun for me.

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Der_Don

 

 

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

China?? Are you 'aving a laugh?

 

 

 

How very cockney of you, dropping your "h"'s!

 

Yes, in real life, I am 'Arry Redknapp.

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ddyoung

 

 

 

 

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

You do realize that the air quality in China is like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day?

 

Doesn't really matter when the entire population smokes a pack a day anyway.

But what about the players?

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Eram

China hosting it?

If so, semis for China's team is the least we can expect ;)

Then again, in Russia we'll most probably have the same... I Expect some Brazilians going all kzar fashion any time soon lol

 

Why not having one WC in Somalia, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, East Timor, Mozambique, etc. or any other country in deep need? If it's such a busine$$ boom, these countries surely deserve the FIFA's bonus and just maybe Step Ladder (quoting, loved the alias) will win some Nobel in the end...

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Capital

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

China?? Are you 'aving a laugh?

 

 

How very cockney of you, dropping your "h"'s!

 

Yes, in real life, I am 'Arry Redknapp. 

 

 

We can't host it, we don't have the stadiums for it.

We have two 50.000+ stadiums, but that's it. And building new ones is something that the economy won't allow to happen.

Since there's not enough revenue in it, since the average club in our league is really small and local.

 

Although fan wise, we'd have enough people that would want to see the games.

I think the best options are just Germany doing it again, or England.

They have the stadiums the fans etc.

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Eram

Well there are some 3-4 stadiums in South Africa, showing some 3D safari experience, it doesn't come any better then that, only if some Roman Circus is around...

 

Manaus's Stadium will also be some top touristic attraction, on the years to come, as a "bird cage" ;)

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Capital

Everyone saw that coming.. hell the South Africans saw it coming :')

How they allowed to FIFA to throw their little profitable party there I have no clue.

 

When you look at it that way, you could use the 2 35000+ stadiums as well. Perhaps remodel some in the next 10 years.

I'd love a World Cup here.. if Blatter is gone along with his maffia demands.

 

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Tanner R.

congratulations to the Germans.

 

I honestly think that Germans were simply the best team in the tournament. Every player worked together in tremendous harmony especially Schweinsteiger.

 

Argentina just simply sat back, defended and nothing more. That hurt the offensive scheme and Neuer had very little to do. Sabella relinquished possession and sat eight or nine behind the ball.

 

I hate that strategy.

 

Sorry for my bad english

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SouthLand

Heh, at least we are in the club where we have host a World Cup and we have won a World Cup.

 

I would love to see the Dutch host a World Cup, But i don't know if FIFA would allow it since Holland is a Small country. I bet you could have a chance if you decided to do a "Belgium and Holland World Cup". Don't get me wrong, the rivalry i have with the dutch is on the field NOT outside of it.

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Jimbatron

We can't host it, we don't have the stadiums for it.

We have two 50.000+ stadiums, but that's it. And building new ones is something that the economy won't allow to happen.

Since there's not enough revenue in it, since the average club in our league is really small and local.

 

Although fan wise, we'd have enough people that would want to see the games.

I think the best options are just Germany doing it again, or England.

They have the stadiums the fans etc.

I've no doubt China would do a great job of hosting it - look at the success of the Olympics. However, it would seem more sensible to wait until domestic football takes off. It seems a bit of a waste to be left with a load of empty stadiums, however successful the tournament.

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JohnDoe7125539271

Now our shirt does not only get 4 stars but also a golden badge. I am going to buy me one: Müller, Klose, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Göte, not sure which one to pick...

 

Can't decide for you, but i would choose between... Müller, Klose & Schweinsteiger.

 

I'd go with Miro!

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Der_Don

Now our shirt does not only get 4 stars but also a golden badge. I am going to buy me one: Müller, Klose, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Göte, not sure which one to pick...

Reus

 

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Der Süden

 

 

Now our shirt does not only get 4 stars but also a golden badge. I am going to buy me one: Müller, Klose, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Göte, not sure which one to pick...

Reus

 

Schweinsteiger - contributed a lot to our WC victory and is the "emotional leader"

Götze - contributed a lot and scored the victory goal. He might have saved our asses and is a hero like Rahn in '54, Müller in '74 and Brehme in '90.

Kroos - contributed a lot

Lahm - contributed a lot

Müller - contributed a lot

Reus - contributed nothing (because of his injury)

Klose - is a legend, but will be inactive soon since he's already 36. I wouldn't want to have a "corpse" on my back, I prefer active players.

I would add Neuer to the list of favorites, he's the biggest hero of all. Would we have gotten that far without him? I doubt it.

 

I for one would choose Schweinsteiger.

 

Heh, at least we are in the club where we have host a World Cup and we have won a World Cup.

 

It's more awesome to be in the club of nations that have won a WC in their own country.

 

1930 - Uruguay

1934 - Italy

1966 - England

1974 - Germany

1978 - Argentina

1998 - France

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Eutyphro

I actually bought a Robben shirt before the final in 2010. Now it reminds me of that ball that bounced off Casillas toe that could have made us champions lol. I don't regret it though. Robben is probably the player that has brought me most joy. I remember when I was a little kid I went to Spain and I got a Kluivert Barca shirt. Good times. I remember all the sh*tty kids at school calling me Kluivert to piss me off. That was lame.

Think about which player has brought and most likely will bring you most joy. Get that players shirt. Mission succeeded ;)

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Fireman

My brother bought a Van Bronckhorst shirt before the WC 2010, he was happy with that as well.

 

This was a good World Cup, lots of really, unbelievable moments and goals, much more so than the last World Cup.

 

This was definitely the best moment:

robben3.jpg

 

robben2.jpg

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Der_Don

 

 

Now our shirt does not only get 4 stars but also a golden badge. I am going to buy me one: Müller, Klose, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Göte, not sure which one to pick...

Reus

 

Schweinsteiger - contributed a lot to our WC victory and is the "emotional leader"

Götze - contributed a lot and scored the victory goal. He might have saved our asses and is a hero like Rahn in '54, Müller in '74 and Brehme in '90.

Kroos - contributed a lot

Lahm - contributed a lot

Müller - contributed a lot

Reus - contributed nothing (because of his injury)

Klose - is a legend, but will be inactive soon since he's already 36. I wouldn't want to have a "corpse" on my back, I prefer active players.

I would add Neuer to the list of favorites, he's the biggest hero of all. Would we have gotten that far without him? I doubt it.

 

I for one would choose Schweinsteiger.

I know that he contributed nothing. I would never ever get a kit with a Bayern-player on the back though. So from the names you mentioned I'd take Klose then.

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I cucked Alex Jones

Why not go for an Özil , Khedira, Mertesacker, or Podolski shirt?

 

Der Arsenal

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Der Süden

My brother bought a Van Bronckhorst shirt before the WC 2010, he was happy with that as well.

 

This was a good World Cup, lots of really, unbelievable moments and goals, much more so than the last World Cup.

 

This was definitely the best moment:

 

robben3.jpg

 

robben2.jpg

 

I don't like Robben, but I agree that it was one of the greatest moments of this WC. It was nice to see the Spanish team outclassed and on the ground after dominating the world football for 4 years or so. The tiki taka era is over.

 

To me the greatest moment is of course this one:

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Banks.

 

 

 

Now our shirt does not only get 4 stars but also a golden badge. I am going to buy me one: Müller, Klose, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Göte, not sure which one to pick...

Reus

 

Schweinsteiger - contributed a lot to our WC victory and is the "emotional leader"

Götze - contributed a lot and scored the victory goal. He might have saved our asses and is a hero like Rahn in '54, Müller in '74 and Brehme in '90.

Kroos - contributed a lot

Lahm - contributed a lot

Müller - contributed a lot

Reus - contributed nothing (because of his injury)

Klose - is a legend, but will be inactive soon since he's already 36. I wouldn't want to have a "corpse" on my back, I prefer active players.

I would add Neuer to the list of favorites, he's the biggest hero of all. Would we have gotten that far without him? I doubt it.

 

I for one would choose Schweinsteiger.

I know that he contributed nothing. I would never ever get a kit with a Bayern-player on the back though. So from the names you mentioned I'd take Klose then.

 

He did technically contribute because he played and scored a lot of goals in the qualifying? Just imagine if Reus didn't get injured :blink:

 

I stand by my point that Ozil is the most overrated player in the world.

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I cucked Alex Jones

 

 

I stand by my point that Ozil is the most overrated player in the world.

 

wayne-rooney-pa_2830260b.jpg

 

Didn't you make this guy one of the highest paid players in the world?

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Banks.

 

 

 

I stand by my point that Ozil is the most overrated player in the world.

 

wayne-rooney-pa_2830260b.jpg

 

Didn't you make this guy one of the highest paid players in the world?

 

Yeah the player that actually turns up for the big games and has managed to score 158 league goals for the club.

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iNero

Yea, there was a reason that Götze pulled out Reus' jersey.

Özil did not made the best games but he contributed a lot. Thats why he played every game.

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I cucked Alex Jones

 

 

 

 

I stand by my point that Ozil is the most overrated player in the world.

 

wayne-rooney-pa_2830260b.jpg

 

Didn't you make this guy one of the highest paid players in the world?

 

Yeah the player that actually turns up for the big games and has managed to score 158 league goals for the club.

 

Remember when Fergie benched him in the match against Real Madrid? And what about all those World Cup goals to his name?

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Banks.

 

 

 

 

 

I stand by my point that Ozil is the most overrated player in the world.

 

wayne-rooney-pa_2830260b.jpg

 

Didn't you make this guy one of the highest paid players in the world?

 

Yeah the player that actually turns up for the big games and has managed to score 158 league goals for the club.

 

Remember when Fergie benched him in the match against Real Madrid? And what about all those World Cup goals to his name?

 

Fergie benched Rooney because he wanted to play Welbeck to stop letting Xabi Alonso have so much time on the ball which worked. I also think that Rooney was just returning from an injury so his fitness levels were not up to scratch to do the job.

 

Rooney has under performed in World Cup's, that's no secret but his contribution to United's success over the last 10 years out weights that. I can also add that Rooney actually plays out of position most games, I would say about half of them league goals have come from him playing out of position.

 

He also scored arguably the best Manchester derby goal of all time :)

 

rooney.gif

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I cucked Alex Jones

Will never be as good as Zidane's goal.

 

 

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cactus.

Will never be as good as Zidane's goal.

 

ok...

 

I agree with Tommy that Rooney is worth every bit of his wages at United. They wouldn't be the same without him.

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Doc Rikowski

^ Both are nowhere near as good as this one.

Also sh*tty goalkeeper on Zidane's goal.

 

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Canoxa

So Messi had the lowest work rate of any outfield player this World Cup.

 

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FranklinDeRoosevelt

Yea, there was a reason that Götze pulled out Reus' jersey.

Özil did not made the best games but he contributed a lot. Thats why he played every game.

Ozil is a good player but pretty much the whole squad overshadowed him by miles. So he is overrated. He even missed one of the easiest chances you can get in their game against Brazil which could have got them to an 8-0 way before Brazil scored.

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Yea, there was a reason that Götze pulled out Reus' jersey.

Özil did not made the best games but he contributed a lot. Thats why he played every game.

Ozil is a good player but pretty much the whole squad overshadowed him by miles. So he is overrated. He even missed one of the easiest chances you can get in their game against Brazil which could have got them to an 8-0 way before Brazil scored.

 

But in a team like Germany, he is average. Put him with any other country, and he would be one of the best players on the team.

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