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iNero

FIFA World Cup 2014

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Der Süden

 

 

 

 

German brand and they sponser them as long as I can think back, so noone actually mind. I also like the ads from Mercedes with the team:

 

 

I understand the logic behind it, I work in advertising, but at the same time I think it's kinda sad that the brand has such a big exposure in the celebration.

I know what you mean, but as long as the fans don't celebrate and cheer Mercedes for winning a match, replace German and football flags with Mercedes flags et cetera, I don't mind. Mercedes is just a sponsor, it's just there, and nothing more.

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Doc Rikowski

Indeed, no easy solution though. You could agree at a country level to put a stop to it maybe, but then you wouldn't be able to buy the best players and have no chance in the Champions League, unless every other major footballing nation agreed to the same.

It should be done on a European level.

And even on a country level I'm not sure it wouldn't work.

Look at Germany, they invested in their own young players, the backbone of their main clubs is German and it worked fine.

Same goes for Barça and Juve even though they didn't win this year (in Europe).

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Jimbatron

^ It's certainly true there is a lack of investment in home grown talent in Football in England. It's cheaper for a lot of clubs just to get foreign youth players in as the pool is bigger to choose from. A lot of it stems from the FA allowing the top 20 clubs to break away and form the Premier League. It's led to a lot more commercial success for the clubs, but the FA don't have control any more. Why should the clubs care about the national team?

 

You're right about it need for financial regulation at a European level. I guess they are trying to do that now with the likes of Man City getting fined. I don't reckon it doesn't go far enough though. If your owner's first name is Sheikh, Sultan or Oligarch (as is the case with an increasing number of Premiership teams), you probably lose more money down the side of the sofa than in those penalties.

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Stephan90

I think a world cup in the USA would be a great one, but the last one was in 1994.

 

Austria, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden would be good host countries too. They could split the games between some of these countries and use the biggest stadiums only.

 

Or just come back to Germany again. ;)

 

PS could Canada host a good world cup? (regarding number and size of the stadiums)

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Danz.

Copa America is being hosted here in 2016 though, so that should be fun.

Wow, really? It will be nice then.

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Kampioen

Sponsors and money (plus the tragedy of the Bosman sentence) are among the reasons that completely killed my interest in club football.

Always the same teams fight for the titles and always the richest ones. Very boring show.

 

I agree 100%. I think we need a new league to rival the Champions league and UEFA league, one where clubs must only use players who have the same nationality as the club. I would also like to see a national league where players are from the same city as the club.

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Jimbatron

The US actually still has the highest match attendance for any World Cup 20 years on, which is quite impressive. Especially when you consider they had 12 less games than all the tournaments since. It will go back there sooner as FIFA would love them to hold Football in as high regard as American Football, baseball etc. It's the most lucrative market available for potential growth at the moment. China's a bit further behind in terms of interest in the game.

 

It should probably go to Australia at some point. The big thing they have going against them is the time zone isn't great for European viewing, and therefore TV money.

 

@CenMan, I'd be all for that idea, but the European Union probably wouldn't allow it, if it was the players primary job, due to laws on freedom of movement and employment.

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GTA_stu

PS could Canada host a good world cup? (regarding number and size of the stadiums)

 

I don't think the capacity would be a problem, but looking at a list of their stadiums, they all pretty much use artificial turf and not natural grass. So they'd have to change that.

 

I'm hoping England/the UK will be the next European country to host the WC after Russia. Surely it can't go back to any of the countries that have hosted it since '66, so that leaves out Germany, France, Italy and Spain. That doesn't leave a whole lot of places that would be capable of hosting it. Maybe a joint Dutch/Belgian bid, possibly Turkey or Portugal.

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Banks.

I wouldn't like to see the World Cup hosted in the USA. I like the World Cup when it's held in a proper footballing country. You can't beat the passion and love for the game being shown by the fans, sure football is growing the US but it's not that big.

 

Brazil was a perfect setting for the World Cup, protests aside the fans over there are very passionate when it comes to football.

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Kampioen

I wouldn't like to see the World Cup hosted in the USA. I like the World Cup when it's held in a proper footballing country. You can't beat the passion and love for the game being shown by the fans, sure football is growing the US but it's not that big. Brazil was a perfect setting for the World Cup, protests aside the fans over there are very passionate when it comes to football.

 

I agree. It's like holding the world cup in Qatar minus the ridiculous heat.

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Doc Rikowski

Well, Mexico hosted a WC just 16 years after their first one so no country is to be ruled out.

 

@ Jimba: and that's why I lost interest in club football. If you have the money you win.

Maybe football reached its peak in the 70s and 80s and now we are already in a descending phase.

To be honest the quality of today's "top players" seems to me incredibly lower compared to what we used to see back then.

Same for the teams and pretty much for all tournaments (national or international).

Today's football is losing quality every day.

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Canoxa

There was a joint Portugal/Spain bid in the talks, but that was dropped after the recession hit.

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iNero

Well, Mexico hosted a WC just 16 years after their first one so no country is to be ruled out.

 

@ Jimba: and that's why I lost interest in club football. If you have the money you win.

Maybe football reached its peak in the 70s and 80s and now we are already in a descending phase.

To be honest the quality of today's "top players" seems to me incredibly lower compared to what we used to see back then.

Same for the teams and pretty much for all tournaments (national or international).

Today's football is losing quality every day.

 

Not in the slightest... todays players are way more athletic and better trained than back then... Also in the tactics and strategy department.

And no, football is obviously growing... no idea where you got the idea of it descending.

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Stephan90

Since this is a GTA gaming forum. I have to say when I was eleven years old and GTA III came out, it was the sh*t and I saw it with totally different eyes than now. (Still a great game)

 

But it is probably the same with football. When you are young, you see everything with different eyes and many people tend to glorify the past in general.

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FranklinDeRoosevelt

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then.

 

Or maybe Holland can host it.

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Der_Don

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

China?? Are you 'aving a laugh?

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Doc Rikowski

Being more athletic and more tactical doesn't mean a player is overall better than in the past, not if the objective is solely focused on having well trained and tactically wise players.

Being that the only focus the risk is that the quality of skill, football skill, will decrease allowing a lot of average or less than average players to earn a spot in a top team.

Football has always been about talent and imagination rather than physical and tactical qualities.

In fact, what was the biggest change German football went through in the past decade?

I'll tell you, Germany added players with "good feet" to the athletic+physical characteristic typical of German football in the past, and that is what took you on top of the world this year.

But overall, if you look at the quality of players and of football that were around in the 70s, 80s and even 90s, it is quite obvious that the overall skill quality has drastically decreased.

I'm not saying it happened everywhere but it happened in most countries.

Just look at the national teams of England, Italy, Holland, Brazil, France and even Argentina.

Usually there's one or two real talents and then a bunch of average or less than average players when in the past there would be at least half of the team formed by top class players.

This was a good WC but then again it was nowhere near the very high level of epic WCs like 1970, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986.

I'd say the descending curve started in 1990 and reached its peak in 2002.

2006, 2010 and 2014 were better but we are still far from the great show that football was in the 80s.

This decrease in football quality is partially due to the rise of tactics and athletics (primary Italy's fault, and we're paying it now with lack of talents) and partially due to the business/marketing aspect of football which favors only rich teams and iconic players that are usually way below top class quality.

As an example I'll mention Iniesta, a fantastic player that a couple of decades ago would have been considered the best but that in his time wasn't cause he's not as good as CR when it comes to do H&S ads and look sexy in pictures.

The results of this decrease in quality is in front of our eyes.

We have an overrated best football player of the year that is eliminated by the WC in group phase, we have a so called Maradona's heir who is unable to shine in 7 matches, we have a Brazilian supposedly next big thing who what does better is cry.

Gimme back Uli Stielike and Maradona, anytime! :pp

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Stephan90

Well if China wanted they could host the biggest world cup in terms of infrarstructure and stadiums.

 

Remember they can build a huge airport in eleven months, while we need years.

 

In China the government can move mountains and if they say: we will build ten stadiums with each having capacity of over 80,000 people within a few years then it will happen, no matter what the costs in money of human life may be.

 

But I wouldn't like to have a world cup in China for the same reason I don't want it in Russia or Quatar, simply because of the political situation and because it would be misused for propaganda. I am already pissed about the fact that our chancellor gets a popularity boost for making selfies with our national team.

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Der_Don

I am already pissed about the fact that our chancellor gets a popularity boost for making selfies with our national team.

Don't you dare talk bad about Angie!

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Kampioen

 

I am already pissed about the fact that our chancellor gets a popularity boost for making selfies with our national team.

Don't you dare talk bad about Angie!

 

 

Can I though? I'm not German. :p

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Stephan90

Don, she got you with her "mommy of the nation" behaviour like million other people. It's so annoying and the world cup win makes this effect even bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/AngelaMerkel/likes

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Kampioen

Don, she got you with her "mommy of the nation" behaviour like million other people. It's so annoying and the world cup win makes this effect even bigger.

 

https://www.facebook.com/AngelaMerkel/likes

 

More like the "mommy of Europe". I f*cking hate the EU as it is currently and she is one if its biggest supporters.

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Der Süden

I think this mommy thing was invented and spread by the media. Anyways, to me she's not a mommy type of person at all.

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Crokey

The US does have the basic infrastructure. It would be great to upgrade it where it needs to be. And there are multiple soccer stadiums now that would need to be upgraded and expanded to accommodate a world cup game.

The infrastructure in the US is fine, there is no need for drastic improvements or upgrades, the US along with England and maybe possibly Germany are one the few nations that could hold a World Cup with only 3 months notice and that would only be needed to setup the security side of things, as the required number of Stadiums are all in place to do it.

 

You're right about it need for financial regulation at a European level. I guess they are trying to do that now with the likes of Man City getting fined. I don't reckon it doesn't go far enough though. If your owner's first name is Sheikh, Sultan or Oligarch (as is the case with an increasing number of Premiership teams), you probably lose more money down the side of the sofa than in those penalties.

Financial regulation will only hinder progress of the teams who are not already in the 'elite' positions in European football, as smaller clubs who want to compete and spend money to enable them to compete will pay a hefty price, or should the word be penalty, for actually doing what every other single business in the world does and that's speculate to accumulate. Under UEFA's FFP regime those who spend money and don't make it back within a set time will be punished, which is completely against how businesses have operated for years by taking risks, in essence clubs would have to reserve enough cash to spend what they need to in order to progress the business and then keep money aside to pay a fine to UEFA, or again should that be to line UEFA's pockets with money for trying to be a successful business.

 

Under this new FFP plan I would hazard a guess that very few clubs would actually be able to make that step up into upper levels, but it may only be short lived as using the domestic example, even the club that has just won the league still need to spend to strengthen the side, if a club manages to make it into the top level on a shoestring budget, they end up getting punished for spending money to sustain that level and this punishment will only do harm to the club in the short term and long term. This has already be seen in England for years by clubs that spent a lot of money to to get into the Premiership like Leeds, Southampton, Forest among others, had a bad season and got relegated and have struggled to recover, as a result the Premier League were forced to create parachute payments to clubs who were relegated in order to ease their financial relegation worries. This parachute payment system now works as clubs can ease themselves back to financial stability and in some case rebound like West Ham have done a couple of times, whereas in the case of teams like Leeds who were affected pre-parachute system are still not back up where historically they belong. With UEFA's FFP system these fines are not going to get recycled back into the system to create parachute payments, because well UEFA have fined the club money why pay it back in a parachute payment?!?, so clubs who face a quasi-European competition relegation are going end up being like Leeds, so not only are they going to face trouble in European competition this will trickle down into their domestic competition and can have long term ramifications on that clubs league system, and will ultimately lead to European competition becoming a potential poison chalice.

 

 

Well, Mexico hosted a WC just 16 years after their first one so no country is to be ruled out.

Difference is FIFA or mainly Step Ladder has introduced a system of larger rotation amongst emerging nations so as countries don't host it too often, which as well and good, but those countries who have footballing heritage will have less chance of actually getting to see a World Cup hosted in their country in their lifetime as it's done every 4 years.

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Der_Don

Don, she got you with her "mommy of the nation" behaviour like million other people.

Yes, she did :inlove:

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ddyoung

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

You do realize that the air quality in China is like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day?

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Jimbatron

 

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

China?? Are you 'aving a laugh?

 

 

 

How very cockney of you, dropping your "h"'s!

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GTA_stu

Difference is FIFA or mainly Step Ladder has introduced a system of larger rotation amongst emerging nations so as countries don't host it too often, which as well and good, but those countries who have footballing heritage will have less chance of actually getting to see a World Cup hosted in their country in their lifetime as it's done every 4 years.

 

 

They wanted to rotate it evenly between the continents so that it always went Asia > Europe > Africa > South America > North America > Asia > Europe > Africa > South America etc etc. But then they realised there's only like 2 or 3 countries in Asia that could possibly host it and like 1 in Africa and plus it was a f*cking retarded system anyways. Now they rotate it, but only to a certain degree. I think it's something like a confederation can host it, but then it has to wait for 2 tournaments before it can host it again. So it could go; Europe > South America > Asia > Europe > North America > South America > Europe > North America...You get the idea.

 

I kind of get where they're coming from with the idea of giving the WC to new nations which haven't hosted it before, but f*ck they totally screwed it up. A country like Australia makes sense, Qatar definitely doesn't. South Africa was borderline, but just look at how sh*t that world cup was. They probably shouldn't have had it in hindsight. Plus they built all those big expensive f*cking stadiums and now they're barely used any more.

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Kampioen

 

I think the next WC should be hosted by China. Massive country, the people are great and decent atmosphere then. Or maybe Holland can host it.

You do realize that the air quality in China is like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day?

 

 

Doesn't really matter when the entire population smokes a pack a day anyway.

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