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BustingDoors

Playboy X or Dwayne?

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NewGuybj

Keeping alive Dwayne is better and more moral option, I think.

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Kubigz

Better morale, better profit -  win win. Playboy X ofc.

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Adrian J.

Always side with Dwayne. Not only the benefits are better with a safehouse and a classic outfit, but Dwayne got screwed by everyone. His girl was cheating on him, he got snitched on, jail, his club got taken over. If you chill with him, he will tell all kinds of stories and the fact that he grew up poor and made something out of himself...

Now that lousy ass PX wants to take him out? The choice is obvious

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ROCKSTAR MANIC

Id confess my very first playthrourgh back in 08 I killed Dwayne. Until I read on here that you get PBX loft if you killed him instead.

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Americana

Always side with Dwayne. Not only the benefits are better with a safehouse and a classic outfit, but Dwayne got screwed by everyone. His girl was cheating on him, he got snitched on, jail, his club got taken over.

 

Who cares, dude was a deranged gangster, who would rape and murder young women with no remorse, not to mention he was a drug dealer. He deserved everything he got. Sadly, Playboy X is the same.

 


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Adrian J.
On 1/14/2020 at 3:15 PM, Ronald Reagan said:

 

 

 

Who cares, dude was a deranged gangster, who would rape and murder young women with no remorse, not to mention he was a drug dealer. He deserved everything he got. Sadly, Playboy X is the same.

 

 


What? From what I can tell Dwayne was a decent guy for a crack dealer, chill with him and he even will tell you that he wanted to be a cop at one point. He took Playboy under his wings, and the love of his life Cherise (or whatever her name is), he gave her money, even when he was in prison.

Where did you get that from?

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billiejoearmstrong8

He's just about decent by GTA standards 😛. But maybe the point is pretty much all these people are violent scumbag murderers who are a detriment to society anyway. After all right before Niko chooses who to take out Dwayne just had him commit three murders in a club full of innocent people. It's all relative. Dunno about raping and murdering young women though, I don't think it's implied that he's that bad. 

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Adrian J.

Yea, if we were to play as Dwayne in the 90's Liberty City during his rise of the criminal underworld it would pretty much be a typical GTA affair. Drive here, get dope, steal a car, shoot some guys, it would be pretty much like Niko, even he said Dwayne reminded of himself.

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jaylen pizarro
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playboy x

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
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Playboy X for sure...

Reason :the Claude outfit

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Changing platoon to playboy

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Nappy

Is the outfit only in X’ house?

 

I’d never choose to kill Dwayne. Playboy bullsh*t about him being a killer and a threat but it didn’t seem that way. I still somehow find it awkward Dwayne is one of the few people you can interact with after the final mission.

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Gettin up

I didn't like Dwayne but I wanted that penthouse. It's my favourite apartment in GTA IV.

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billiejoearmstrong8
Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Payne said:

Is the outfit only in X’ house?

 

I’d never choose to kill Dwayne. Playboy bullsh*t about him being a killer and a threat but it didn’t seem that way. I still somehow find it awkward Dwayne is one of the few people you can interact with after the final mission.

Yep. I thought maybe after you'd got it there you'd be able to access it in the other safehouses as well, but you can't.

 

The weirdest thing to me is that you can wait until after the final mission to do The Holland Play if you want. Seems so wrong!

 

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Nappy

what the f*ck

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billiejoearmstrong8
29 minutes ago, Payne said:

what the f*ck

You can leave the second part of Out of the Closet and Brucie's final mission No. 1 until after the final mission too. Bit of an oversight that happened because of how free they are about the order you do missions in IV I guess.

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Nappy

what the f*ck but i think these are amazing

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billiejoearmstrong8
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5 minutes ago, Payne said:

what the f*ck but i think these are amazing

Only thing is if you leave Out of the Closet Roman constantly texts you to remind you to go on the date which is quite annoying lol. Experienced this when I played through as fast as I could to get the story completion in under 30 hours achievement. 

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Ahmedmfroezspeed

my answer is Playboy X

why ?

to get the Claude outfit and

earn Dwayne's gang recruitment feature

how about you,guys ?

whould you kill Playboy X or Dwayne ?

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yurmad

Kill Playboy X FTW

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SalmonPotato710

umm i killed playboy X cuz he is verry bad he hate us when kill dwayne but when we kill playboy we get a house and a friend

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Mister Pink
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I've just done The Holland Play.  I can't remember how it happens next that I make the move. Of course I'm going to whack Playboy X. He's going to kill his childhood friend over greed. This story is reminding me of Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell in The Wire, except the circumstances are different. 

 

Barksdale is old-school. He wants the Barksdale Organization to control the towers and the street corners by using violence and force. Stringer, wants to diversify - he takes classes in macroeconomics and wants  invest in property and not that "gangbanging sh*t." What happens next is two childhood friends that control half the drug trade in Baltimore and control the Barksdale organization start having opposing views about how to direct the their criminal enterprise.   

 

If anyone is interested in GTA IV and perhaps the more realistic approaches to gaming and maybe filmmaking/TV then The Wire is for them. It's not a trashy TV cop show. It's high-level realistic TV show. Anyone interested in the Dwayne and Playboy X reference I'm talking about here's a clip. 

 

Avon (guy with hat) would be Dwayne - old school, and Stringer (gang member in all black) would be Playboy X. It's deep in the plot line so they'll reference people you wont know. But this scene is them at the end of their friendship before you know one of them has to go.  They're reminiscing because they both have drifted too far apart and one of them will have to die. It's just like GTA IV. And they're reminiscing on the rooftop, like you do at Playboy's rooftop. Too many similarities. 

 

 

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DJToni

I have always thought that the obvious answer is Dwayne, because then you get Playboy's penthouse and Dwayne's friendship and special abilities. Plus morally it feels like the right thing to do. I feel like R* wanted the players to choose to kill Playboy over Dwayne considering all the rewards you get. It was an easy choice.

 

I wish that they both gave similar rewards and made the player choose based on the character's personalities/relationship themselves. It would feel more like a decision you have to think about, rather than who gives you a reward over who doesn't give you anything.

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billiejoearmstrong8
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On 5/2/2020 at 3:39 PM, DJToni said:

I have always thought that the obvious answer is Dwayne, because then you get Playboy's penthouse and Dwayne's friendship and special abilities. Plus morally it feels like the right thing to do. I feel like R* wanted the players to choose to kill Playboy over Dwayne considering all the rewards you get. It was an easy choice.

 

I wish that they both gave similar rewards and made the player choose based on the character's personalities/relationship themselves. It would feel more like a decision you have to think about, rather than who gives you a reward over who doesn't give you anything.

To be fair if you play the game for the first time and haven't read anything about it it's presented that you'll get $25,000 for killing Dwayne but nothing for killing Playboy (Dwayne is short of money so asks you to kill Playboy as a favour, and the penthouse isn't mentioned until after the mission). So I think it's supposed to be a choice between money and trying to be more moral (although it's a grey area since neither Playboy nor Dwayne are saints, and also neither has done anything particularly bad towards Niko, Dwayne is clearly the more sympathetic character), same as with Francis and Derrick where you're offered money for killing Derrick but only choose to kill Francis out of sympathy or loyalty. Of course once you know what happens it doesn't work that way but the decision itself isn't designed to be that unbalanced.

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Algonquin Assassin
35 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

To be fair if you play the game for the first time and haven't read anything about it it's presented that you'll get $25,000 for killing Dwayne but nothing for killing Playboy (Dwayne is short of money so asks you to kill Playboy as a favour, and the penthouse isn't mentioned until after the mission). So I think it's supposed to be a choice between money and trying to be more moral (although it's a grey area since neither Playboy nor Dwayne are saints, and also neither has done anything particularly bad towards Niko, Dwayne is clearly the more sympathetic character), same as with Francis and Derrick where you're offered money for killing Derrick but only choose to kill Francis out of sympathy or loyalty. Of course once you know what happens it doesn't work that way but the decision itself isn't designed to be that unbalanced.

To be honest I think it would've been interesting if the rewards were flipped around. For killing Dwayne you get PBX's apartment and for killing PBX all you get is money. Of course things would have to be altered to fit, but lets hypothetically say that neither Dwayne or PBX indicate what Niko's going to get in return for the deed.

 

I almost guarantee most people during their first playthrough (me included) would've chosen to kill PBX, but lets just say that instead of the current reward all Dwayne gives Niko is a $1000 or so (or the equivalent to what he pays). He doesn't offer to become your friend and that's pretty much it. We never see him again.

 

On the flip side if you kill Dwayne PBX decides to give you his loft because he want to leave the city (for reasons I haven't thought of. I'm just saying:p). On the surface it appears to be a choice of money vs loyalty, but since money's pretty useless for practical purposes in game (not from the story perspective) most people would put loyalty to Dwayne above everything else, but it would've been a great twist if that wasn't the case.

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DJToni
5 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

To be fair if you play the game for the first time and haven't read anything about it it's presented that you'll get $25,000 for killing Dwayne but nothing for killing Playboy (Dwayne is short of money so asks you to kill Playboy as a favour, and the penthouse isn't mentioned until after the mission). So I think it's supposed to be a choice between money and trying to be more moral (although it's a grey area since neither Playboy nor Dwayne are saints, and also neither has done anything particularly bad towards Niko, Dwayne is clearly the more sympathetic character), same as with Francis and Derrick where you're offered money for killing Derrick but only choose to kill Francis out of sympathy or loyalty. Of course once you know what happens it doesn't work that way but the decision itself isn't designed to be that unbalanced.

Yes you're absolutely right, I was wondering if anybody was gonna call me out on that! 😆 I just never spend a lot of money in the game, and so I forgot that Playboy pays you to kill Dwayne, after allegedly paying you to hang out with him..? It was obvious Niko liked Dwayne from their few missions together, Niko was getting paid but you could also tell he didn't mind spending time with Dwayne. Niko even stands up for Dwayne in Holland Play and more importantly, blatantly states that he doesn't want to kill Dwayne, which I feel differs from the Francis and Derrick situation and any other kill/spare choices in the game. All those other times you decide in the moment to kill or spare without much influence from the game let alone Niko, but in Holland Play Niko outright says, "I don't want to." when asked to kill Dwayne, which I feel is a big influence as to why I (and almost everyone else) chose not to kill Dwayne.

4 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

To be honest I think it would've been interesting if the rewards were flipped around. For killing Dwayne you get PBX's apartment and for killing PBX all you get is money. Of course things would have to be altered to fit, but lets hypothetically say that neither Dwayne or PBX indicate what Niko's going to get in return for the deed.

Yes I like this idea also. It would add more incentive to kill Dwayne, but without knowing the rewards, everyone would kill PBX like you said. Or maybe even change the dynamic between the characters, so that Dwayne isn't playing on your sympathy and PBX doesn't seem like a total tool lol. So instead of choosing between Niko's new buddy and Niko's jerkass boss, they would just have similar relationship status.

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