Why isn't Trevor racist?

[Burrito XL]

I assume Rockstar simply wanted to play on the safe side. Or mor they _had_ to make him like that: An equal oppurtunity murderer.

 

Therefore they designed him as canadian redneck psycho who doesn't have the time to sort out between races.

 

 

[NBking6]

I have a feeling Trevor doesn't like Franklin...

[mattymcs]

It would be complete against his personality to be racist. He hates people because of who they are, simple as that.

[Asunder]

I guess R* figured he was offensive and foul enough already. I'm glad he wasn't racist. Might have been overkill.

[Vulgar_Monkey]

He actually gets quite a lot of racial abuse himself for being canadian, hence all the rampages among other things.

I suppose this might influence him to not be bigoted in that way.

 

Otherwise he actually seems quite fickle in who he chooses to like, dislike, or help despite disliking. It depends what mood he's in, and his mood is very prone to change at the smallest provocation. It's probably this that marks him as a bit unhinged, more than the violence. By definition, someone who is a bit of a wrong 'un is often someone who has inconsistent character traits.

[CrazyRay]

Racial intolerance shows a lack of intelligence.

That's just bullsh*t...clearly you've never been around other races of people

[ChumCrumpet]

 

Racial intolerance shows a lack of intelligence.

That's just bullsh*t...clearly you've never been around other races of people

 

 

CrazyRaycist

 

heh heh heh...

 

 

Why should Trevor be racist? I think it's a bit of a silly question really. No one said "Aw man, he doesn't hate people of other ethnicities? That's a downer"

 

Trevor has a mental health problem and anger issues, it doesn't mean he has to or needs to be racist.

[am30]

 

Racial intolerance shows a lack of intelligence.

That's just bullsh*t...clearly you've never been around other races of people

 

 

Well I have and I stand by my comment as it is totally correct.

 

Clearly most racists don't have the brain power to come up with something witty so they have to resort to critisize someones racial background.

[LosSantosKing]

Get over it guys.

Trevor is a cool dude... Yes i know he has some problems with anger issues but that does not make Trevor a racist.

 

Oh and by the way am30.

You made a little mistake with your signature.

[CrazyRay]

 

 

 

Racial intolerance shows a lack of intelligence.

That's just bullsh*t...clearly you've never been around other races of people

 

Well I have and I stand by my comment as it is totally correct.

 

Clearly most racists don't have the brain power to come up with something witty so they have to resort to critisize someones racial background.

Nope, it shows how sheltered you are and how little you have been out in the real world...as if you've NEVER been wronged by someone of another race and then become prejudiced because of it, even for a second

[a 3 legged pony]

Nope, it shows how sheltered you are and how little you have been out in the real world...as if you've NEVER been wronged by someone of another race and then become prejudiced because of it, even for a second

 

 

Having an experience with a person might make us hate that person, but it's a stretch to make you temporarily hate an entire race because one person wronged you.

 

I may even find it reasonable to avoid the people that individual associates with, just because they most likely share some similarities. (although, it may not be the negative qualities) Still, it's hard to hate millions of people over a single action from 1.

[dazeweeble]

Trevor is completely Hate-ist.

 

He hates people regardless of their race. gender, sexuality, political affiliation, hair colour, fashion, musical taste, hipsters etc.

 

His discrimination is all encompassing, and as such it means no one group is singled out.

 

He hates everyone, but hates them all equally. Liking it

 

This sums up Trevor, he's cool with Franklin and Lamar, but I know he doesn't like those who tried to scam his homies. He had nothing against the Asians until they screwed him over in business. He hates those that have screwed him over. He hates Michael but tolerates him because they have history.

[halapeno71]

Still, it's hard to hate millions of people over a single action from 1.

I'd disagree with you there. I'm sure the people who hate Muslims universally due to the actions of those responsible for 9/11 find it very easy to hate them.

 

I find myself in agreement with CrazyRay on this. I don't agree that racism has all that much to do with a given individual's level of intelligence. Education is a factor, sure. To an extent, anyway. But there are plenty of highly-educated, intelligent people in the world who harbor what they believe to be perfectly justifiable prejudices. I'm not saying it's right or even rational, but it's the case nonetheless.

 

I think it's more dependent on individual personalities and social conditioning more than anything else. Nature and nurture usually wins out over education and intelligence, in my experiences anyway.

 

For example, it's hard not to notice that CrazyRay seems to be incapable of disagreeing with someone without getting unnecessarily pissy about it. This isn't necessarily indicative of a lack of intelligence. He seems pretty intelligent to me. It could just mean he has pent up anger and no outlet through which to vent it except here. Lucky us. Or perhaps he's just a jerk. I don't know. I venture no opinion. But I agree with him in this case.

Edited December 8, 2013 by halapeno71

[Tlaneloli]

 

cuz r* doesnt want to piss off colored folk

No? But R* doesn't have any problem pissing off 70% of america, which is rural people. I guess we see where R*'s priorities are, no? Left-winged Piers Morgan mentality. Oh well.

 

But I agree that Trevor is unbelievable. He hates rednecks with a passion. He's a Canadian homosexual. But he has no problems with any other people in the game, other than other criminals, like the lost. To think the laughable idea that a Canadian could waltz in and take over a meth area is just mind-boggling and shows R* ignorance. IRL, Trevor would've been fishing bait very quickly had he messed with the meth mafia. It's a rediculous had a grade school student waltz in and took over the coke buisness in Florida back in the 80's. Same level odf stupidity.

 

1. 70% of America is not rural

2. If he is indeed actually into guys instead of just pretending to make them uncomfortable he would still be bisexual instead of just homosexual since it's been proven that he f*cks women

3. Canadian or not Trevor is not someone people would wanna f*ck with

[Tlaneloli]

How can a person be a Racist when the only Race on Earth is "Human"? If your saying a White guy is from Cuacasia and so that makes him a Caucasian. Then can you show me proof that we are all not of the "Human Race". Are aliens living on Earth and if so, then if you don't like them you could be a Racist. So my "Alphabet Word's" why are you playing the "Race Card Game" and showing your not Mature enough to play this game?

 

The game is rated M for Mature. So thinking everyone on this planet is a racist becuase they are white is immature. So is thinking everyone is a different race because of skin color. But hey if your right about there being more than one race on Earth. Then do you have a book that has all the races in it with pictures? Like 1 that shows what an Arabian-Apache looks like for example. How about showing us a picture of an Iranian-African-American-Korean while your at it. Since your talking like a non educated person who doesn't understand there's only the 1 race on planet Earth.

Race is a stupid social construct, but it still exists, as a stupid social construct, and this stupid social construct has quite the effect and it's silly to just pretend like it doesn't matter.

[Nocturnaldemon]

If you want to hear racism that much, play IV and play the mission where you and playboy x need to make a deal with some fbi assholes.
When driving up there playboy X will say ''All them biker dudes is racist and sh*t'' or something like that, there you go you got your racism.
Or doesn't that count because a black person said it? Like cracker/whiteboy etc......
Or do we still live in a world where the white man is pure evil? lol pathetic.

[a 3 legged pony]

I'd disagree with you there. I'm sure the people who hate Muslims universally due to the actions of those responsible for 9/11 find it very easy to hate them.

 

I find myself in agreement with CrazyRay on this. I don't agree that racism has all that much to do with a given individual's level of intelligence. Education is a factor, sure. To an extent, anyway. But there are plenty of highly-educated, intelligent people in the world who harbor what they believe to be perfectly justifiable prejudices. I'm not saying it's right or even rational, but it's the case nonetheless.

 

I think it's more dependent on individual personalities and social conditioning more than anything else. Nature and nurture usually wins out over education and intelligence, in my experiences anyway.

 

For example, it's hard not to notice that CrazyRay seems to be incapable of disagreeing with someone without getting unnecessarily pissy about it. This isn't necessarily indicative of a lack of intelligence. He seems pretty intelligent to me. It could just mean he has pent up anger and no outlet through which to vent it except here. Lucky us. Or perhaps he's just a jerk. I don't know. I venture no opinion. But I agree with him in this case.

 

You've strayed away from the current debate. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Jews/Christians and Muslims have had hatred and distrust for thousands of years. Both sides of that struggle house people of different races. The origins of that struggle go back to people of a single skin color.

 

If people don't understand that and just blindly hate, that is ignorance popping up. By all means, hate the group responsible....but don't hate everyone from a middle-eastern background...or everyone who carries a certain religious text.

 

The great debate is Nature vs Nurture. Not Nature + Nurture vs Education + Intelligence.

 

Education is a part of Nurture, Intelligence is part of Nature. Overcoming what you have been taught to think on your own (and perhaps find a better way) is difficult. I'll agree with you there. It can be done, and it happens every day. How many times have people accomplished things not thought possible only days or hours before? I come from one of the more racist areas of the USA, and I was raised around racists, and taught their beliefs my entire childhood. I have observed how some stereotypes have truth in them, while others seem completely false.....despite that background I'm the one here arguing against hating people.

[halapeno71]

You've strayed away from the current debate. Muslim isn't a race, it's a religion. Jews/Christians and Muslims have had hatred and distrust for thousands of years. Both sides of that struggle house people of different races. The origins of that struggle go back to people of a single skin color.

 

If people don't understand that and just blindly hate, that is ignorance popping up. By all means, hate the group responsible....but don't hate everyone from a middle-eastern background...or everyone who carries a certain religious text.

 

The great debate is Nature vs Nurture. Not Nature + Nurture vs Education + Intelligence.

 

Education is a part of Nurture, Intelligence is part of Nature. Overcoming what you have been taught to think on your own (and perhaps find a better way) is difficult. I'll agree with you there. It can be done, and it happens every day. How many times have people accomplished things not thought possible only days or hours before? I come from one of the more racist areas of the USA, and I was raised around racists, and taught their beliefs my entire childhood. I have observed how some stereotypes have truth in them, while others seem completely false.....despite that background I'm the one here arguing against hating people.

I'm not arguing FOR hating people. I'm saying that intelligent people do hate, however irrationally, in spite of their intelligence. You've said it's "hard" to hate millions for the actions of one, but you're speaking for yourself. And you're preaching tolerance, which while admirable, has nothing to do with whether or not a lack of intelligence is what leads to racism (not to mention that it's rather pointless to preach tolerance in a venue where xbox360 owners irrationally dislike PS3 owners, and vice versa).

 

Now, as to your race vs religion argument, shall we just say "prejudices" then? It's more encompassing but it covers the same territory. In other words, you get my drift.

 

Finally I'm aware the great debate is nature vs nurture, but I was speaking towards the other aspects of both such as personality, mental health, upbringing, social conditioning, and personal experiences. Intelligence and education alone don't determine whether or not someone is the sort to harbor prejudices. There are uneducated simpletons out there who are race/religion tolerant. Equally, there are educated geniuses out there who hate others for their differences, however irrationally. I realize it wasn't you who initially equivocated racism with a lack of intelligence but that's the point I'm addressing.

Edited December 8, 2013 by halapeno71

[Tlaneloli]

If you want to hear racism that much, play IV and play the mission where you and playboy x need to make a deal with some fbi assholes.

When driving up there playboy X will say ''All them biker dudes is racist and sh*t'' or something like that, there you go you got your racism.

Or doesn't that count because a black person said it? Like cracker/whiteboy etc......

Or do we still live in a world where the white man is pure evil? lol pathetic.

It doesn't count because he's not generalizing about a race, he's generalizing about a non-racial group of people, and he's probably talking about The Angels of Death who are racist.

[seventhreeo]

well idk Trevor seems pretty smart in some ways because he's not a racist while being crazy

 

idk how to explain it, he just doesn't seem like a full on crazy moron, he seems like a crazy dude with a smart mature side to him

 

can't describe it any better, fml

[the_gamma]

 

It seems he is deranged in every aspect, Has no standarts whatsoever. so why isn't he racist?

 

Just to keep some people from whining around about it?

 

. He doesn't really take Franklin very seriously because he is just a young kid, I give him that but he is never racial or has stigmas against him,

 

It's kind of unauthentic. Just my 2 cents...

 

I'm asian and i found it racist that he called mr cheng a 'wide eyed' idiot COMPLETELY racist, so you win buddy

 

but not surprising you white folks find it funny and easy to insult races example an american detective tv show i saw one time where a native american was a murderer, turns out the plot was to keep land rights, i mean wtf?? that's just plain wrong, Also in family guy its ok for seth macfarlane to make over the top racist jokes NON STOP and even blow the head off a native american girl's head off, once again WTF?? if australia had tv show where someone blew off a aboriginal girls head off there would be a major uproar

 

so let me get this straight, its ok for a white guy to blow off a native american girl's head clean off but its a no no to insult [email protected] people??

 

i'm sick of the pro agenda getting their hands on: tv shows, cartoons, movies, nerdy stuff like drwho, news and now VIDEO GAMES

 

they did it on GTA4, saints row4 and NOW GTA5 with the subtle message that chops [email protected] and franklin doesn't care if people are [email protected] or not...but racism, meh its ok

 

p.s R* is one sick puppy, you can't sleep with amanda, your wife, who happens to sleep with everyone BUT you, and if you phone amanda about the tennis instructor mike doesn't care

 

yet its ok that you can switch to 'chops' body when his banging a male dog??

 

p.p.s there's no point in talking about authenticity, R* got underfire for the creation of the game 'bully' so you KNOW they're gonna keep there game less controversial as possible, i mean in 'bully' i knocked out a adult on low-tide at the beach, but R* made it you can't kill so they UNpass out when underwater

 

i mean in GTA4 and V the "LOST" biker gang has black people, aren't bikers racist? so technically since gta4 you already should have known they weren't gonna do the full blown racist angle

 

 

 

i think when he called that guy a wide eyed idiot, he was referring to him being wired.

[seventhreeo]

fun fact: only one non-black character in the whole series (or just HD era I forgot) dropped the n-bomb, forgot who it was but I think it was Ray Boccino

 

some of you summed up Trevor pretty well, he hates people, he doesn't pick on them for what they look like, rarely has a soft spot for anyone either (like Tommy Vercetti)

 

good character

[Graven]

Racism is too parochial and narrow for Trevor Phillips Enterprise. He´s a misanthrope mamma´s boy.

Michael is the real racist here, can´t stand an alien race...

[007_eleven]

fun fact: only one non-black character in the whole series (or just HD era I forgot) dropped the n-bomb, forgot who it was but I think it was Ray Boccino

 

some of you summed up Trevor pretty well, he hates people, he doesn't pick on them for what they look like, rarely has a soft spot for anyone either (like Tommy Vercetti)

 

good character

 

Actually I think it was Gerald Mcreary. Anyway, Trevor is not racist because that is not a factor of the environment he grew up in (Canada). Whatever problems he faced being indoctrinared to hate based on skin colour was one of them.

[LancerG2]

he is no racist in my mind!

I would totally hate him for that

 

He's racist

He's racist

He killed Johnny because he's Jewish

he's racist

hate him.

[Broom__Handles]

Why do you people want Trevor to be a racist so bad? And what makes you think blacks would get mad even if he was? You guys are just instigating.

Why do you guys want Trevor to be racist so bad? And you're saying Rockstar wanted to play it safe? Maybe they just didn't want to make him a simple-minded asshole. I mean, Trevor isn't someone to hate a group of people because of their skin tone. What idiot would?

[Burrito XL]

The answer is both simple and obvious:

 

 

Rockstar chickened out.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Burrito XL

[thurge]

 

fun fact: only one non-black character in the whole series (or just HD era I forgot) dropped the n-bomb, forgot who it was but I think it was Ray Boccino

 

some of you summed up Trevor pretty well, he hates people, he doesn't pick on them for what they look like, rarely has a soft spot for anyone either (like Tommy Vercetti)

 

good character

 

Actually I think it was Gerald Mcreary. Anyway, Trevor is not racist because that is not a factor of the environment he grew up in (Canada). Whatever problems he faced being indoctrinared to hate based on skin colour was one of them.

 

didn't michaels kid drop the n-bomb too? once in the introduction of franklin to michael at Simeon's garage, and once in a while at the house when he's playing his games, he'll drop it.

 

unless we're not including NPC's.

Edited December 14, 2013 by thurge

[halapeno71]

The answer is both simple and obvious:

 

 

Rockstar chickened out.

The simple and obvious answer is that the entire storyline hinges on the comradery between the three main protagonists. Franklin's fateful endgame choice is meant to be dramatic. Drama equals choice. No choice, no drama. "Do I save my own ass, or do I put it on the line to protect some unstable asshole who treated me like sh*t and hates my guts because I'm black when there's no obvious reason I should?" isn't a choice. The answer is a foregone conclusion. Edited December 14, 2013 by halapeno71

[Johnny Spaz]

The answer is both simple and obvious:

 

 

Rockstar chickened out.

 

No, R* made a smart move, they've had enough with the femenists complaining about the "misogyny" and they would make things worse if they thought about making a protag racist. Liberals would freak out.