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scrublord

Is Electronic Music "Real Music"?

Is Electronic Music "Real Music"?  

111 members have voted

  1. 1. Is Electronic Music "Real Music"?

    • No
      25
    • Yes
      86
  2. 2. Does producing Electronic Music require a significant amount of talent?

    • Yes
      84
    • No
      27


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iNero

Without a doubt Electronic music is music and it's f*cking very hard to make most of the time. Having said that, I can make a simple electronic track in a few minutes but it will sound sh*te. Whoever voted contrary is an idiot and doesn't know anything about music.

 

 

I wanna start doing it. The good thing about Electro is that everyone can make it. ( if you got a PC )

But like you said, that doesnt make it easy or sound good all the time.

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Pyrrhic

I don't understand all these electronic music terms. What is the difference between all this techno, dubstep, glitch hop and noise stuff. I hear countless electronic music terms being slung around but does anyone care to explain to me what the difference is between them? I can acknowledge that there is a difference but I'm not experienced enough in the field to understand it by ear.

 

The one I do know is trance music as I am a big fan of trance.

But yeah can anyone explain them and/or give examples in the form of youtube videos?

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Gutslab

I don't understand all these electronic music terms. What is the difference between all this techno, dubstep, glitch hop and noise stuff. I hear countless electronic music terms being slung around but does anyone care to explain to me what the difference is between them? I can acknowledge that there is a difference but I'm not experienced enough in the field to understand it by ear.

 

The one I do know is trance music as I am a big fan of trance.

But yeah can anyone explain them and/or give examples in the form of youtube videos?

 

 

I'll try to help you. I'm not an expert but I have been a fan of electronic music for a few years. With electronic music, there's a TON of subgenres such as the ones you listed. There are MAJOR differences between most of these but the causal listener may not notice them because they haven't heard enough songs to form a sound judgment or maybe they're just ignorant or lazy. Electronic is a big sector of music and the way it is defined, is why you see such a great variety of genres within it.

 

If you want better info. regarding this, I suggest resources like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electronic_music_genres

 

Three other quick notes.

1. A lot of electronic is a blend of different genres. Like a song may both have House and Trance element.

2. People will interpret songs differently, it's just a matter of opinion. One song may sound like Techno to one person but might feel more like Industrial to another.

3. Electronic music changes through the years. A House song from the 90s is going to sound much different than a House song from '13. This is due to improved instruments and sound methods but also a change in our times and culture.

 

 

Here's some examples I come up with.

 

 

Ex 1. House and Dance music - 1980s : Your basic House-esque sounding track. The 80s and 90s were huge decades for House and Dance music

 

 

 

You have probably heard of SF-UR from SA. If not, check out the track list as those were all major hits on the House and Dance scene. http://gta.wikia.com/SF-UR

 

 

Ex 2. Late 90s House : Both of these have vocals, as did many other tracks. You can hear some of the difference in this song compared to the ones in Ex 1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ex 3. Modern House, also referred to as Progressive House or Electronic Dance Music(EDM). :

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ex 4. Deep House : Music that makes you think more than it makes you want to dance, usually.

 

 

 

 

Ex. 5. Drum n Bass

 

 

 

 

Ex. 6. Downtempo : This track also some Drum n Bass going on

 

 

 

 

Ex. 7. Ambient and a bit of Techno it seems

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X48r_Yj1ZU

 

 

Ex. 8. Breakbeat, Techno, Glitch : The entire album this first song is from is insane and worth listening to.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjTKwr72F4

 

 

 

 

Ex. 9 80s music with an electronic twist remix. I don't know what else to call this but it sounds great. I see it's tagged it with many obscure genres such as Experimental Funk and Vaporwave. This album is just one of dozens(which are available for FREE btw on sites like bandcamp and soundclound) that fit this kind of music style(check the youtube link)

 

http://fortune500.bandcamp.com/album/grand-prix

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrNONSENSE2010/videos

 

 

 

I probably wasn't able to get into all the genres you wanted but I hope it helps. I didn't write anything about dubstep or noise because I don't really listen to that. Also I might be wrong with some things I've said, so someone else can correct me if that's the case.

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iNero

imo, Artists dont really pay attention to what subgenre they are producing, most of the time.

They make the track with a melody in mind and then play around with it.

thats how there are so many subgenres with only little differences.

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Graven

Of course electronic music is music as much as music that´s made traditionally. Being a big Black Metal fan I have stumbled upon some dark ambient too.

This genre might be a bit to chew if You want your tracks in 3 minute form.

 

 

 

The late 80s Industrial I enjoyed too. Godflesh were pioneers.

 

 

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GTA564

I don't understand all these electronic music terms. What is the difference between all this techno, dubstep, glitch hop and noise stuff. I hear countless electronic music terms being slung around but does anyone care to explain to me what the difference is between them? I can acknowledge that there is a difference but I'm not experienced enough in the field to understand it by ear.

 

The one I do know is trance music as I am a big fan of trance.

But yeah can anyone explain them and/or give examples in the form of youtube videos?

the speed of the genre:

In most of these songs, the melody comes in the middle of the song

HARDCORE: 170- 180 - (Sometimes 200) BPM:

Drum & Bass: 160-180 bpm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5mEywnfTwE

RAVE: 160 - (Sometimes 180) BPM

HardStyle: 150 BPM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMvekSVpo7E

Trance: 140 BPM

Hands up (eurodance): 140 BPM

Electro/Dance/Club: 128 BPM

Dubstep: 70 BPM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfHUa35srxs

 

Each of the genres characterized by

different sounds(synth), different rhythm sounds (kick, snare, clap, hihat, bass)

different processing (effects, sound editing)

 

and most importantly - a different melody structure in every genre

rhythm - completely different rhythm for every genre

many artists add a small section with the rhythm of a different style (10 seconds to 30 seconds of the song)

 

on topic: electronic music is definitely real music, to create electronic music you need a lot of talent

even more than music styles that are not electronic

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Purple_Eclipse

I vote yes.

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mr quick

Even though I loathe the music and avoid listening to it at all costs, I'm not going to be so blatantly ignorant as to call it anything but music. What do you mean with "real music"? Challenging harmonics? Abiding laws of function? Creative secondary dominants?

Music means organized sounds, so of course el-music is real music. Though it doesn't provide to me an aesthetically emotional experience (as per my first music teacher's definition) and I hate it with a passion, it is (objectively) no less music than my favourite genres and artists.

(e: I voted that it does not require a significant amount of talent)

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Purple_Eclipse

This thread is pretty old.

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mr quick

 

Even though I loathe the music and avoid listening to it at all costs, I'm not going to be so blatantly ignorant as to call it anything but music. What do you mean with "real music"? Challenging harmonics? Abiding laws of function? Creative secondary dominants?

Music means organized sounds, so of course el-music is real music. Though it doesn't provide to me an aesthetically emotional experience (as per my first music teacher's definition) and I hate it with a passion, it is (objectively) no less music than my favourite genres and artists.

(e: I voted that it does not require a significant amount of talent)

Well what's your opinion of the song above your post?

 

The soundscape is alright. The orchestrating is okay, but the harmonizing (or rather lack of) is god-awful. This would serve as great muzak or something, but as a standalone composition intended as something to purposefully listening to - no way in hell. Why would anyone listen to this on purpose? I'm not saying it's bad, but there is no harmonic variation! Look at Bowie's "Life on Mars?" - it feautures secondary dominants everywhere, giving it a rich and exciting harmony. This however, though not bad, is extremely boring!

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Jc_39a

what's real, what's not

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ShadowDog94

It's real. Fake music isn't a thing.

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Vanto

I like dubstep, drumstep, drum&bass, glitch hop, electro more than any modern pop song. Do not know if trap is similar to electronic but I like it too.

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xInitial D

I am just wasting time posting this.. but seriosly. Im going to post a load of videos. Yes Electornic music is music and some of it is soulful music.

 

This is the "Electronic" music I listen to. Out of all of it I find the most soul in techno.. I like idm, dnb and trance too. but I dont feel like posting everything right now.

 

Not that anyone cares but. Alot of songs these days are being described as "techno" when they really are not techo. below is Detroit Techno which is true techno. Everything else is something else... techno doesnt have to be from Detroit, but its origin is Detroit it has a distinct sound... The UK has some good techno also! Techno hasnt changed much over the years some songs I post are in a time period from 1988 to 2013... It can be highly advanced, but has not lost the human touch. To me the some of the 90's stuff is timeless and will sound great even at the end of this century , but you cant say that about everything. The only music that will appeal to the future is the over the top music which pushed boundaries and broke into uncharted terriotrys. This is just my opinions, but whatever. Yes my spelling is messed up, but its late and im trying to finish this post quickly so I can get back to my class work.

 

Im not old I was just curious about music one day and didnt want to follow the crowd anymore. Most of the stuff though was from me playing games like Sonic Adventure 2, F-Zero GX and Midnight Club 3 Dub Edition their soundtracks had alot of great music which got me hooked on these genre's.

 

I have alot of videos but im just gonna put the videos in spoiler tag.

 

 

 

You can listen to Underground Resistance, Mad Mike, Suburban Knight, DJ Stingray, Drexciya etc... Drexciya tends to go into electro too....

1988

 

 

This is from like 1992 or 93 I think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTM4p0Hx0o

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHvkZpcYY3U

 

This is from 06

 

 

One of my favorites from Drexciya

 

And one from DJ Stingray

 

There is a time gap... but they are not that different in nature!!!

 

This is 1996 from UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3gIJhgKmw

from 2010 or something

 

Again there is not a huge difference between these two techno songs despite the time gap

anyting else that

 

More from B12 this goes more into IDM

 

more experimental

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFW5kbAbPVo

 

 

... Stingray is one of the only active Detroit people... but Underground Ressitance may release something once in a while.

Below I go a lil into trance

 

Trance is not techno, but im going to post some trance songs

Now going into Trance. I havent listened to any of the new stuff. But trance changed around 96 and I dont really know why...... but I like the early 90' stuff better!!! I really think it is more authentic and better atmosphere.

 

I consider these to be the best early 90's trance songs EVER.

 

Starting with the first by Tanzmuzik, not much about them Japanese artists but they made this masterpiece. 1994 or 1995 but it sounds newer.

 

 

This one is just awesome acid rocks

 

 

Starts off slow but really picks up... it is an awesome song sound very tribal but it is Trance... there was a shorter mix(but I linked it to the good part)

 

more songs you should listen to if you like the first couple

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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codename_duchess

Of course electronic music is music as much as music that´s made traditionally. Being a big Black Metal fan I have stumbled upon some dark ambient too.

This genre might be a bit to chew if You want your tracks in 3 minute form.

 

 

 

The late 80s Industrial I enjoyed too. Godflesh were pioneers.

 

 

Godflesh were awesome !!

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iiGh0STt

all of it takes work to produce, but a macbook can accomplish everything just the same with this type of music.

I have nothing wrong with some of it, in the clubs and such. But this whole dubstep movement is just retarded... put down the MDMA.

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Ats.

Well this is a pretty f*cking stupid topic, isn't it?

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mr quick

Well this is a pretty f*cking stupid topic, isn't it?

No it's not, if anything here is 'f*cking stupid' it's you; this is a very relevant topic, seeing as one of the most oft-used sentences used to describe electronic music is "it's not real music"

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THE_TREVALEV

There are people who listen to sounds of things falling and crashing, creepy winds and such. And that's considered music. So I've come to the conclusion that if you enjoy listening to a certain type of set of sounds, it's music. That's all really music is, anyway, just an orchestrated line of sounds.

This is why I can't really get into FlyFM on V. To me, it just sounds like random samples being played out of tempo. But to each their own. People probably think the music I listen to is noise.

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KilnerLUFC

Well this is a pretty f*cking stupid topic, isn't it?

 

To echo Marwin, no, the topic is not stupid at all. Seen this debate countless times, mainly due to the fact a lot of it is produced purely with a program on a computer, something anyone can do. Electronic music, whatever sub-genre etc it falls in to, is definitely music though!

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Slamman

Wouldn't call it Electronic Music if it weren't. The reality is technology could only muster simple beeps and squeeks in it's infancy and bands like Pink Floyd in the 60s and 70s got into studios getting STATE OF THE ART electronics at the time, with a goal to get that as part of the production capabilities, Pink Floyd after Dark Side were set to make their Household Sounds album using no traditional instruments at all, a project that didn't pan out, but did garner some ideas just the same.

 

It doesn't fit into our modern idea of Electronica, but it should show that anything can be used to produce musical sounds. Percussion is one example where what you hear could be generated in a number of ways

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Danz.

As long as it sounds good and takes talent to do so, it should be labelled music.

 

However, I know a lot of people who get called musicians despite the fact annoying noises are all they're able to make.

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KilnerLUFC

As long as it sounds good and takes talent to do so, it should be labelled music.

 

However, I know a lot of people who get called musicians despite the fact annoying noises are all they're able to make.

 

Nice contradiction :)

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mr quick

As long as it sounds good and takes talent to do so, it should be labelled music.

 

However, I know a lot of people who get called musicians despite the fact annoying noises are all they're able to make.

You can't claim that music is only what sounds good, because that's subjective. I bet you a buck that we differ greatly in what we define as something that "sounds good" and "takes talent"

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Dealux

I voted that it does not require a significant amount of talent

You can say that about any genre of music and it is true to more or less the same extent. Some people make music and don't put much effort into it while others do their best to make something original. The people who say it takes little talent to make electronic music are usually people that have little to no idea how it is made. It is true that in many cases the composing aspect is easier—though this depends very much on the genre—but you still have other things to do like sound design and mixing\mastering, all by yourself, and this is true for many\most composers of this genre. An electronic music composer basically has to be a composer, sound designer, and sound engineer at the same time. There are exceptions—some don't spend too much time designing sounds and some get their music mastered by professionals other than themselves—but most electronic musicians have these skills by necessity.

 

Learning to create sounds, to mix them and create a good master takes years of practice, much like learning to play an instrument or to sing.

 

You can't claim that music is only what sounds good, because that's subjective. I bet you a buck that we differ greatly in what we define as something that "sounds good" and "takes talent"

Actually, that's precisely the only way to define it properly. Art is subjective by definition.

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Slamman

You can agree to disagree about the talent end, because it's often brought up by musicians discussing the merits of Pro Tools, some look well upon it, while others express concern or disdain. At the end of the day, it's just another tool as it is, to make some music or create sonic art, which is up to the musician or artist, so not all painters, drawers or artists in the visual medium adhere to a guideline in much the same way.

 

I just watched It Might Get Loud the other day on cable, been waiting some time to see that documentary, focusing on three guitarists, Jack White, The Edge and Jimmy Page.

I felt it was strange to see White in that, while The Edge of U2 and Page have a much longer and respected career, but it was a learning and appreciation not only for the artists involved, but the viewer as well. I think if you delve into it, you'll find something out that will extend your own appreciation, or understanding. For me, as an example, it was Jack White's goal to channel some vintage blues records, and to get something modern sounding or in his own mold of what that might sound like in modern music, but it was expressly taken from inspiration of old blues musicians. This I found a real surprise actually.

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mr quick

 

You can't claim that music is only what sounds good, because that's subjective. I bet you a buck that we differ greatly in what we define as something that "sounds good" and "takes talent"

Actually, that's precisely the only way to define it properly. Art is subjective by definition.

 

But you cannot say that something (in fact) is or is not music depending upon wether or not one likes it!

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Slamman

Music isn't so loosly defined that it could be anything, that should be obvious, but musicality can be defined by pleasing arrangement of audio sources, in one regard at least

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Fuzzknuckles

Yes, it's real music and yes it takes talent. Any kind of music is and does. There should be no debate on this, really. Just because it doesn't have guitars, doesn't make it 'not music'.

 

Hard to believe... but there was music before guitars. Before brass instruments. Drums alone are musical. So... yes.

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Dealux

You can agree to disagree about the talent end, because it's often brought up by musicians discussing the merits of Pro Tools, some look well upon it, while others express concern or disdain. At the end of the day, it's just another tool as it is, to make some music or create sonic art, which is up to the musician or artist, so not all painters, drawers or artists in the visual medium adhere to a guideline in much the same way.

Pro Tools is just another DAW and I fail to see how what you are saying proves anything. Yes, there are many musicians that don't take it seriously and they put little effort into it, but this is not a universal thing when it comes to electronic music, just as it isn't the norm in other genres of music. Using this type of logic, I could say that most modern music (both acoustic and electronic) is crap because it isn't as complex as classical music composition-wise, and as a consequence it takes less talent to make it. Of course, that's a load of horse sh*t. The amount of talent required to make any music varies depending on how much effort you are willing to put into it.

 

That is true of all genres right now, but it will most likely change in the future. There will probably come a day when software will be so advanced that it will do everything for you, and it will do it so much better than you that composers who still use traditional means of making music will create inferior sounding music. Does that mean that music is going to die? No, I don't think so. If it makes music sound better then that's a good thing. However, a development like that would most likely to put all artists out of business since anyone that has access to that software can create music with a push of a button, but that shouldn't stop people from enjoying it.

 

 

 

You can't claim that music is only what sounds good, because that's subjective. I bet you a buck that we differ greatly in what we define as something that "sounds good" and "takes talent"

Actually, that's precisely the only way to define it properly. Art is subjective by definition.

 

But you cannot say that something (in fact) is or is not music depending upon wether or not one likes it!

 

By most definitions you can't, but we don't have a definition that everyone can agree with. It's also pointless to argue semantics. If you really enjoy something you don't have to put a label on it.

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