Ethics and Glitches

[Barcodee]

There's a lot of labels being put on people using the glitches within GTA V online. I would personally like to make an argument to potentially change your mind if you feel someone who glitches is a "cheater" specifically the LSC money glitch.

 

1) Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating. Example: Halo 2 BXR, BXB, quad shot etc. were button glitches that made killing at close and mid range much faster. They were not intentional (neither is money glitch) and everyone could use them (same as money glitch). If a developer releases their game with glitches that are usable by all players, that is their fault and cannot label their players that exploit said glitches as cheaters.

 

2) The money glitch isn't giving anyone advantages. Since everything of advantage is unlocked by level, the only thing money glitchers have before other users are apartments and cars. That poses no real advantage.

 

3) Upgrade prices have been increased exorbitantly in online mode (not to mention you can't even steal any car you want online, thought this was GRAND THEFT AUTO???), and making money is much harder in online mode. One example:

 

story mode bullet proof tires (if memory serves correctly): $4,000

online bullet proof tires: $25,000

 

Yes, over 6 times as much! WHY? There is no reason.

 

The only reason R* would label a glitcher as a cheater, is because R* wants you to have pay real money for GTA online money through micro transactions. They are going to label their best user base (I say best, because this entire game series is about cheating, stealing, robbing, killing your way to the top) as cheaters because said players aren't putting more money in their pockets. $60 initial cost of game is not enough for them, they want more.

 

Speaking of micro transactions, if their reason for labeling money glitchers as cheaters is "unfair advantage," then what will people who pay real money for GTA money be labeled? Are they not getting an advantage? Oh wait, they're paying R* so that makes it ok. If you pay R* for your "advantage" of money, then all is fine and dandy but if you find a glitch in their game and don't give them more money: cheater.

 

rant over, bring on the hate.

[MaximusO3]

There's a lot of labels being put on people using the glitches within GTA V online. I would personally like to make an argument to potentially change your mind if you feel someone who glitches is a "cheater" specifically the LSC money glitch.

 

1) Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating. Example: Halo 2 BXR, BXB, quad shot etc. were button glitches that made killing at close and mid range much faster. They were not intentional (neither is money glitch) and everyone could use them (same as money glitch). If a developer releases their game with glitches that are usable by all players, that is their fault and cannot label their players that exploit said glitches as cheaters.

 

2) The money glitch isn't giving anyone advantages. Since everything of advantage is unlocked by level, the only thing money glitchers have before other users are apartments and cars. That poses no real advantage.

 

3) Upgrade prices have been increased exorbitantly in online mode (not to mention you can't even steal any car you want online, thought this was GRAND THEFT AUTO???), and making money is much harder in online mode. One example:

 

story mode bullet proof tires (if memory serves correctly): $4,000

online bullet proof tires: $25,000

 

Yes, over 6 times as much! WHY? There is no reason.

 

The only reason R* would label a glitcher as a cheater, is because R* wants you to have pay real money for GTA online money through micro transactions. They are going to label their best user base (I say best, because this entire game series is about cheating, stealing, robbing, killing your way to the top) as cheaters because said players aren't putting more money in their pockets. $60 initial cost of game is not enough for them, they want more.

 

Speaking of micro transactions, if their reason for labeling money glitchers as cheaters is "unfair advantage," then what will people who pay real money for GTA money be labeled? Are they not getting an advantage? Oh wait, they're paying R* so that makes it ok. If you pay R* for your "advantage" of money, then all is fine and dandy but if you find a glitch in their game and don't give them more money: cheater.

 

rant over, bring on the hate.

No hate, just a lot of love

[Broblab]

it is something they didnt want in the game, but it showed up in the code anyway.

 

anyone who does it is a cheater and should go into " cheater lobbies"

 

dunce cap, and instead of playing with others, you are forced into game chat ( like call of duty modes, depending on what it is) and have to play by yourself.

 

if they didnt INTEND for the glitch to be there, then people shouldnt be doing it.

 

/thread

[stocksyuto]

The reason things are more expensive is because money is easy to gain . Farming, glitching and microtransactions. So they need money sinks

[stocksyuto]

it is something they didnt want in the game, but it showed up in the code anyway.

 

anyone who does it is a cheater and should go into " cheater lobbies"

 

dunce cap, and instead of playing with others, you are forced into game chat ( like call of duty modes, depending on what it is) and have to play by yourself.

 

if they didnt INTEND for the glitch to be there, then people shouldnt be doing it.

 

/thread

its in the game regardless , r* had time to change boneyard survival this week why didnt the do a quick patch removing the ability to sell any car until the problem was fixed? They have not released anything official staying the concequences of doing the glitch so they cant let millions do it for weeks then ban them. The glitch isnt a game breaker so isnt that big of a problem Edited October 17, 2013 by stocksyuto

[Vooodu]

Im so sick of these threads.

For the 1st week or 2, all the threads where about GTA O not working and deleting progress. Now, its all about gltiches.

 

Seriously.. Just shaaaad up already. WTF, is wrong with players nowadays. Is it the cough syrup or the oxy pills? What is going through everyones brains to constantly bicker about cheating yourselves or others.

 

 

Everyone who cheated will be bored of this game very fast. Then they will leave and go ruin another game they could have enjoyed for a long time.

 

The real question is how much more longer does this forum need to endure bitchy glitch threads before they get bored and move on?

 

I myself am having a blast playing the game without out ruining the point of playing it.

[trickeh2k]

There's a lot of labels being put on people using the glitches within GTA V online. I would personally like to make an argument to potentially change your mind if you feel someone who glitches is a "cheater" specifically the LSC money glitch.

 

1) Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating. Example: Halo 2 BXR, BXB, quad shot etc. were button glitches that made killing at close and mid range much faster. They were not intentional (neither is money glitch) and everyone could use them (same as money glitch). If a developer releases their game with glitches that are usable by all players, that is their fault and cannot label their players that exploit said glitches as cheaters.

 

2) The money glitch isn't giving anyone advantages. Since everything of advantage is unlocked by level, the only thing money glitchers have before other users are apartments and cars. That poses no real advantage.

 

3) Upgrade prices have been increased exorbitantly in online mode (not to mention you can't even steal any car you want online, thought this was GRAND THEFT AUTO???), and making money is much harder in online mode. One example:

 

story mode bullet proof tires (if memory serves correctly): $4,000

online bullet proof tires: $25,000

 

Yes, over 6 times as much! WHY? There is no reason.

 

The only reason R* would label a glitcher as a cheater, is because R* wants you to have pay real money for GTA online money through micro transactions. They are going to label their best user base (I say best, because this entire game series is about cheating, stealing, robbing, killing your way to the top) as cheaters because said players aren't putting more money in their pockets. $60 initial cost of game is not enough for them, they want more.

 

Speaking of micro transactions, if their reason for labeling money glitchers as cheaters is "unfair advantage," then what will people who pay real money for GTA money be labeled? Are they not getting an advantage? Oh wait, they're paying R* so that makes it ok. If you pay R* for your "advantage" of money, then all is fine and dandy but if you find a glitch in their game and don't give them more money: cheater.

 

rant over, bring on the hate.

 

Wow, you sir are a complete retard.

 

1. Just because a glitch is there for everyone to exploit doesn't mean it's okey. Just because someone didn't put a tag on the sweaters in the store, does it make it okey to steal them just because everyone now can?

 

2. Again, you're retarded. If you're saying that racing a fully modded super car for example against someone using a standard one and that it gives you no advantages... Also, having all the money to call in MW, buy and equip all your weapons etc, etc.

 

Yes, it's expensive as hell and we clearly understand why. Still, you're exploiting the game to gain advantages over others. You're fully exploiting a P2W model you claim to hate... again, never go full retard.

[Pitch~Black]

Stopped reading after "since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating". So essentially your argument is that since anybody can cheat, nobody is. I have guns, knives and all manner of deadly objects around me every day, and so does everybody else. We all have the opportunity to murder, rape, cheat and steal. Therefore it must be okay to do so. Right?

[stocksyuto]

Omg that is real life not in a video game, its a mistake by the designers and they should have held a beta test for these sort of things

[trickeh2k]

Stopped reading after "since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating". So essentially your argument is that since anybody can cheat, nobody is. I have guns, knives and all manner of deadly objects around me every day, and so does everybody else. We all have the opportunity to murder, rape, cheat and steal. Therefore it must be okay to do so. Right?

 

More or less, but this is how whiny kids are these days.

 

[Nivak]

 

 

Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating.

 

This is sort of like saying that since everyone has the ability to cheat at cards, cheating at cards is therefore in fact not cheating.

[Zwenkwiel]

people glitch a gazillion bucks, unfair cheaters who need to be banned

people buy a gazillion bucks from R*, perfectly legit players

:S

 

R* taking action against glitchers has nothing to do with gameplay balance, they're just protecting their cash card scam.

any1 with half a brain should be able to come to this conclusion

Edited October 17, 2013 by Zwenkwiel

[Barcodee]

expected some hate, got some. thanks for those that agreed. for those saying that there is something wrong with this line "Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating." in the context of a video game, needs to re-evaluate their logic. I provided an example from another video game with a glitch. You guys are comparing to real criminal activity, that makes no sense.

[Omnicr0n]

Haha. Bro..c'mon let's cut to the chase. It's an exploit, a cheat, unintended and in a real MMO would be a ban for sure.

 

You can feel fine with that, absolutely.

 

..It's an exploit

[Coolusername717]

Why are you all so upset about the exploit? It's not effecting your game at all so get over yourself. Everyone against it makes NO valid points at all. I'm starting to think you're all either jealous or angry at the fact that you couldn't do it your damn self. Half the time you're all playing its just with your friends or crew on free mode. You're not purposely joining "cheaters" or anything so what exactly is your problem? If you feel better about the "hard work" you did for all your VIRTUAL CRAP then there's something wrong with you. It's a VIDEO GAME for god sakes. You should all be ashamed for ANY of this. Who cares honestly? It's not REAL. You don't have $9,999,999 in real life do you? f*ck, you join a game with a "cheater" then find a new session. Bunch of Children on this. I'd love for some responses, but please of your IQ Is anywhere near your shoe size just smash your face into the keyboard. It'd make a much more valid point. Thanks.

 

P.s. how about that government?

[Coolusername717]

I'm with you barcodee. If you're on psn hit me up.

 

GuessWhoTheFuk

[SLUGFly]

The only game I've ever glitched was Dead Island. I duped tons of high-value items. I did it because the game was a broken piece of sh*t (with EXCELLENT handling) and I had no respect for the dev team. I don't glitch in GTA (won't) because I don't need to for either fun or resources.

 

People who glitch to gain competitive advantages are childish wads of fvck - and I do not want to play with them, not even cooperatively.

Edited October 17, 2013 by SLUGFly

[Coolusername717]

What competitive advantage can you get from the money exploit? Let's go over this.

 

House. So a "cheater" buys a house before you. Oh no! now he's allowed to smoke a bong, get drunk off whiskey or wine, drink green crap and take a shower. Show me the advantages he has over you?

 

Guns. You have to RANK UP to obtain new items along with money but let's look at it this way. You are a farmer. You farm the hell out of the same mission for an hour or 2, while the other glitches for that hour or 2. YOU WILL HAVE RANKED UP AND HAVE MONEY, while the latter will only have money? Show me the advantage he has gained from you.

 

Ammo. (really?) ok you don't need 9999 bullets to kill one person...if your good, you kill. If you suck, you die. No advantage. Get over yourself.

 

Cars: so he has bought a nice car and you have a beater (which by now you all should have a decent car. My first was a sultan and I turned her into a sultan RS. Shame on you for having poop car.) what does he gain? That car is practically a 25000 bounty on his head. Ask any player with an adder how many time they've been shot at in that specific car. Show me the advantages.

 

Racing: tell the host to turn custom cars off. Dumbass. No custom car race is fair. You're dumb. Dumb. You. Dumb.

 

MerryWeather. Stop crying and leave the session. It takes 15 seconds to do and if he's doing all of that why would you want to be there at all anyways??? Use your brain sir. And to also justify the point, I myself place bounties and send Mercs after those who are being dicks (bad sports) in the session. I.e random blowing up cars, random attacks, pay n spray ambushes, etc. sooooo we're not all dicks. Some of us are like batman. Really rich superheroes that use our money for justice!

[PlasmicSnake]

Everyones glitched in some game one way or another. I really like how people pick and choose when its acceptable and when its not. If youve ever glitched in any game you have no place to talk, plain and simple. Its not acceptable to glitch one thing or in one game and then it be totally unacceptable in another game. Its all right or all wrong. Esp in the GTA community. How many people had gamesharks for san andreas? or used the swingset GLITCH in gta4?

[MantisFang]

If someone wants to kill you, where are the ethics in that?

[Wherewolf]

There's a lot of labels being put on people using the glitches within GTA V online. I would personally like to make an argument to potentially change your mind if you feel someone who glitches is a "cheater" specifically the LSC money glitch.

 

1) Since this glitch is available for everyone to exploit, it is NOT cheating. Example: Halo 2 BXR, BXB, quad shot etc. were button glitches that made killing at close and mid range much faster. They were not intentional (neither is money glitch) and everyone could use them (same as money glitch). If a developer releases their game with glitches that are usable by all players, that is their fault and cannot label their players that exploit said glitches as cheaters.

 

2) The money glitch isn't giving anyone advantages. Since everything of advantage is unlocked by level, the only thing money glitchers have before other users are apartments and cars. That poses no real advantage.

 

3) Upgrade prices have been increased exorbitantly in online mode (not to mention you can't even steal any car you want online, thought this was GRAND THEFT AUTO???), and making money is much harder in online mode. One example:

 

story mode bullet proof tires (if memory serves correctly): $4,000

online bullet proof tires: $25,000

 

Yes, over 6 times as much! WHY? There is no reason.

 

The only reason R* would label a glitcher as a cheater, is because R* wants you to have pay real money for GTA online money through micro transactions. They are going to label their best user base (I say best, because this entire game series is about cheating, stealing, robbing, killing your way to the top) as cheaters because said players aren't putting more money in their pockets. $60 initial cost of game is not enough for them, they want more.

 

Speaking of micro transactions, if their reason for labeling money glitchers as cheaters is "unfair advantage," then what will people who pay real money for GTA money be labeled? Are they not getting an advantage? Oh wait, they're paying R* so that makes it ok. If you pay R* for your "advantage" of money, then all is fine and dandy but if you find a glitch in their game and don't give them more money: cheater.

 

rant over, bring on the hate.

 

This post sums up all the reasons why I exploited for money and will continue to do so. The game is not fun without money.

[Coolusername717]

If someone wants to kill you, where are the ethics in that?

This is the GTA I've grown to love right? The one with prostitutes, gangs, corrupt cops and murder. Or Did they change the killing factor? If he's trying to kill you, kill him and his friend. Sounds ethical...

[Zwenkwiel]

the only real advantage they have is when dying

2k isn't that big of a deal if you have 2 billion

a lot more so if you only have 100K