How am I supposed to defend myself?

[Tsori]

Ive left plenty of lobbies and never even got a warning about bad sport

[OneFlaw]

If I have a bounty I find a good defensive position and I ready myself for the war that's about to unfold. Always leave your vehicle if there is cover near by. If you're on the freeway Run!, not much cover there. But you should always leave the Vehicle when you can, more control and more options to fight, also more weapons to use.

[Shpongled]

Instead why not have a system where if your car gets blown up by somebody you get prompted something like: "Would you like to give a bad sport point to _____?" And if you get like 3 of those or something then you go to the bad sport server. Because accidents happen. I blew up my friend's car with my own by a misplaced sticky during a mission and got bad sport points. If he got prompted he could have declined to give me bad sport points and it wouldn't have made a difference.

[OneFlaw]

 

 

 

You mean you don't watch the radar when you have a bounty? You carry on as usual waiting to be attacked, then complain the system is broken?

Who said I have a bounty? I get people attacking me regardless of whether I have a bounty on me or not.

 

Not even necessarily when you have a bounty. I watch it at all times like you're supposed to. It's called being aware of your surroundings.

 

That is an inconvenience that I shouldn't have to be worried about. I'm very aware of my surroundings. But I'm not being aware of them for the sake of keeping their vehicle alive, which ultimately requires you to approach the situation differently otherwise.

 

And you're missing the entire point anyways. I should not be the one who was punished when I was not only shooting second and defending myself, but also getting spawnkilled afterwards. They made the system only react in any real way when vehicles get destroyed.

Despite far worse and harassing things that are going unpunished.

 

I Totally agree, also people camping outside of your house ready to pounce on ya, can't see them on the map. You must rely on your cameras but they can be out of sight. I was killed once right when I walked out of my house.

[DrShinyPig]

What's find bad about it is on certain missions where you have to blow cars/stuff up, dicks just join the mission, park there vehicle next to what you have to blow up, and lock it, so you either blow there car up, or fail/quit the mission, pain in the ass

[Chaos-Elite]

 

 

 

You mean you don't watch the radar when you have a bounty? You carry on as usual waiting to be attacked, then complain the system is broken?

Who said I have a bounty? I get people attacking me regardless of whether I have a bounty on me or not.

 

Not even necessarily when you have a bounty. I watch it at all times like you're supposed to. It's called being aware of your surroundings.

 

That is an inconvenience that I shouldn't have to be worried about. I'm very aware of my surroundings. But I'm not being aware of them for the sake of keeping their vehicle alive, which ultimately requires you to approach the situation differently otherwise.

 

And you're missing the entire point anyways. I should not be the one who was punished when I was not only shooting second and defending myself, but also getting spawnkilled afterwards. They made the system only react in any real way when vehicles get destroyed.

Despite far worse and harassing things that are going unpunished.

 

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Chaos-Elite

[Zwenkwiel]

you don't get bad sport for blowing up a personal vehicle or 2

I've blown up dozens of them and all I ever got was warnings

[CReaper210]

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

 

That is not a solution either. I want to be able to play with other players, so I won't play solo.

And this sentence... "In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time"

A lot of the time, the smarter thing to do, especially when outnumbered, is to destroy a vehicle and neutralize ALL the enemies, instead of trying to gun own all of them. But you're punished for that.

It is not as if I'm going out of my way to destroy other people's vehicles. I get attacked and do my best to deter it. Sometimes, that involves blowing up their car. Just the way it is.

 

I already told you, I'm aware of my radar and surroundings, but being aware and ready is very different when you're considering the fact that you have to win this outgunned/outnumbered fight without destroying the vehicle that they're using. And most people I play with tend to do one of two things: 1. Get out and use their vehicle as cover and 2. Try to ram me with their car.

Both of which are countered more easily with explosives. Trying to gun them down is just going to kill you anyways(unless you have auto aim). But no worries for them, the bad sport system doesn't do ANYTHING to these guys.

 

This is purely an issue with the bad sport system and people like me who are solely defending ourselves are getting punished by it while the spawnkillers are roaming free.

Edited October 14, 2013 by creaper210

[Chaos-Elite]

 

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

 

That is not a solution either. I want to be able to play with other players, so I won't play solo.

And this sentence... "In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time"

A lot of the time, the smarter thing to do, especially when outnumbered, is to destroy a vehicle and neutralize ALL the enemies, instead of trying to gun own all of them. But you're punished for that.

It is not as if I'm going out of my way to destroy other people's vehicles. I get attacked and do my best to deter it. Sometimes, that involves blowing up their car. Just the way it is.

 

I already told you, I'm aware of my radar and surroundings, but being aware and ready is very different when you're considering the fact that you have to win this outgunned/outnumbered fight without destroying the vehicle that they're using. And most people I play with tend to do one of two things: 1. Get out and use their vehicle as cover and 2. Try to ram me with their car.

Both of which are countered more easily with explosives.

 

This is purely an issue with the bad sport system and people like me who are solely defending ourselves are getting punished by it while the spawnkillers are roaming free.

 

 

Nonsense. You just want an easy 'I win' button. I've never once had to destroy a personal vehicle. I use my vehicle as strategic portable cover. If anyone starts anything with me I will hunt them down and spawn camp them. If they don't like it they can leave, and maybe take a lesson not to start stuff with random people. The system is fine. L2P.

[anticon]

so many douche chills from this thread.

[CReaper210]

 

 

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

 

That is not a solution either. I want to be able to play with other players, so I won't play solo.

And this sentence... "In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time"

A lot of the time, the smarter thing to do, especially when outnumbered, is to destroy a vehicle and neutralize ALL the enemies, instead of trying to gun own all of them. But you're punished for that.

It is not as if I'm going out of my way to destroy other people's vehicles. I get attacked and do my best to deter it. Sometimes, that involves blowing up their car. Just the way it is.

 

I already told you, I'm aware of my radar and surroundings, but being aware and ready is very different when you're considering the fact that you have to win this outgunned/outnumbered fight without destroying the vehicle that they're using. And most people I play with tend to do one of two things: 1. Get out and use their vehicle as cover and 2. Try to ram me with their car.

Both of which are countered more easily with explosives.

 

This is purely an issue with the bad sport system and people like me who are solely defending ourselves are getting punished by it while the spawnkillers are roaming free.

 

 

Nonsense. You just want an easy 'I win' button. I've never once had to destroy a personal vehicle. I use my vehicle as strategic portable cover. If anyone starts anything with me I will hunt them down and spawn camp them. If they don't like it they can leave, and maybe take a lesson not to start stuff with random people. The system is fine. L2P.

 

I don't want that. I don't want to be shooting anyone at all to be honest. I would go play Deathmatch if I wanted that. The way you're talking, it sounds like you're describing a situation where just one guy comes to hunt you. That is very different than multiple people coming at you. And it is beyond frustrating when they relentlessly keep coming at you with their vehicles. If you're going to sit here and say that you outgun them everytime multiple people come to attack you, then you're either lying, or you play with auto aim.

 

This doesn't change the fact that the bad sport system is broken to begin with. And it punishes a lot of players that don't deserve it, while letting spawnkillers(who should be the FIRST ones to be bad sports over everything else) go free.

Edited October 14, 2013 by creaper210

[Chaos-Elite]

I'm not saying I win every time but I'm constantly learning and thinking about strategy and tactics because that's one of the things I find fun and challenging. Keep working on getting better and playing the game by the rules.

[Belstead]

There could definately be some changes/additions to the Bad Sport-system, my suggestion would be that you would have a Bad Sport-Meter, that would fill up by doing dastardly deeds such as Leaving Missions Mid-Game, Killing Passive Players, Destroying Personal Vehicles etc

 

But you won't become a Bad Sport just by doing one thing, it takes a while to fill the Meter, and it is a degradable meter, which means that if you don't do any bad things, the meter will decrease over time.

 

This is far too sensible.

[Zwenkwiel]

 

 

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

 

That is not a solution either. I want to be able to play with other players, so I won't play solo.

And this sentence... "In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time"

A lot of the time, the smarter thing to do, especially when outnumbered, is to destroy a vehicle and neutralize ALL the enemies, instead of trying to gun own all of them. But you're punished for that.

It is not as if I'm going out of my way to destroy other people's vehicles. I get attacked and do my best to deter it. Sometimes, that involves blowing up their car. Just the way it is.

 

I already told you, I'm aware of my radar and surroundings, but being aware and ready is very different when you're considering the fact that you have to win this outgunned/outnumbered fight without destroying the vehicle that they're using. And most people I play with tend to do one of two things: 1. Get out and use their vehicle as cover and 2. Try to ram me with their car.

Both of which are countered more easily with explosives.

 

This is purely an issue with the bad sport system and people like me who are solely defending ourselves are getting punished by it while the spawnkillers are roaming free.

 

 

Nonsense. You just want an easy 'I win' button. I've never once had to destroy a personal vehicle. I use my vehicle as strategic portable cover. If anyone starts anything with me I will hunt them down and spawn camp them. If they don't like it they can leave, and maybe take a lesson not to start stuff with random people. The system is fine. L2P.

 

it's definitely not hard to accidentally blow up a car

and you don't even need stickies, I've blown up cars by firing a single extended clip of my AP pistol into the back.

 

ow and spawn camping is Always a pussy move

[goobface]

Funny, because I've never had to blow up a pesonal vehicle. Basically what you're saying is you're not very good and need to rely on cheap tactics to win, rather than outsmarting or outgunning your opponents. Instead of complaining, get better/smarter.

 

youre probably have the biggest dick poking out of your forehead right now.

 

Let me guess...you only use melee attacks...because using a gun is a cheap tactic as well?

 

lol f*ck off

Edited October 14, 2013 by goobface

[Crookid]

 

 

Congratulations, you get the "I'm dumb" award for today.

 

YOU HAVE TO DO BAD SPORT ACTIONS REPEATEDLY TO BE PUT IN THE BAD SPORT LOBBY. I HAVE DONE BAD SPORT ACTIONS TO DEFEND MYSELF BUT STILL GET GOOD SPORT BONUS.

 

I have as well, dummy. What's your point? I destroyed a car 3 times in the time I was playing yesterday and was put in a bad sport lobby.

Can you explain to me why the people who were trying to spawnkill me weren't put in a bad sport lobby?

 

 

 

You mean you don't watch the radar when you have a bounty? You carry on as usual waiting to be attacked, then complain the system is broken?

Who said I have a bounty? I get people attacking me regardless of whether I have a bounty on me or not.

You're dumb for agreeing with the moron who said you should have to do bad sport acts more than once to go in a bad sport lobby when THAT is the way it works.

 

And you didn't know sh*t stop acting like you knew that. You and the other idiots drop in a thread, selective read and spread false information. Also, I've blown up cars more than once and STILL didn't get put in bad sport only lobby.

 

Also, there is no reason you needed to blow the car up 3 times. You could have easily done it ZERO times and changed lobby.

[Chaos-Elite]

 

 

 

 

If you don't want to be 'worried' about it then play solo. It's a fundamental part of the online multiplayer. In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time. You don't want to watch the radar, you want to blow up your opponents car, you don't want bad sport or to be spawn camped. That says it all really. This isn't a game system problem, it's a player problem.

 

That is not a solution either. I want to be able to play with other players, so I won't play solo.

And this sentence... "In this game you have to be smart and prepared to deal with attackers at any time"

A lot of the time, the smarter thing to do, especially when outnumbered, is to destroy a vehicle and neutralize ALL the enemies, instead of trying to gun own all of them. But you're punished for that.

It is not as if I'm going out of my way to destroy other people's vehicles. I get attacked and do my best to deter it. Sometimes, that involves blowing up their car. Just the way it is.

 

I already told you, I'm aware of my radar and surroundings, but being aware and ready is very different when you're considering the fact that you have to win this outgunned/outnumbered fight without destroying the vehicle that they're using. And most people I play with tend to do one of two things: 1. Get out and use their vehicle as cover and 2. Try to ram me with their car.

Both of which are countered more easily with explosives.

 

This is purely an issue with the bad sport system and people like me who are solely defending ourselves are getting punished by it while the spawnkillers are roaming free.

 

 

Nonsense. You just want an easy 'I win' button. I've never once had to destroy a personal vehicle. I use my vehicle as strategic portable cover. If anyone starts anything with me I will hunt them down and spawn camp them. If they don't like it they can leave, and maybe take a lesson not to start stuff with random people. The system is fine. L2P.

 

it's definitely not hard to accidentally blow up a car

and you don't even need stickies, I've blown up cars by firing a single extended clip of my AP pistol into the back.

 

ow and spawn camping is Always a pussy move

 

 

They attack/shoot at/run me over for no reason. That's a sucker punch 'pussy move'. I have many times had the opportunity to kill someone and didn't, then they kill me. So yeah, I'm gonna teach them old school.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Chaos-Elite

[CReaper210]

I'm not saying I win every time but I'm constantly learning and thinking about strategy and tactics because that's one of the things I find fun and challenging. Keep working on getting better and playing the game by the rules.

Well, that is another problem with it. You CANNOT win every time, no matter how good you are, because the game limits what you can do and punishes you in some cases. Regardless if it was started by the other player, or if he has spawnkilled you 30 times.

 

Because instead of punishing players who actually deserve it, it's all based on who destroys each others car.

[hellohound]

I got put into a bad sport lobby for blowing up MY OWN personal car when it got stuck on a wall.

[CReaper210]

 

 

Congratulations, you get the "I'm dumb" award for today.

 

YOU HAVE TO DO BAD SPORT ACTIONS REPEATEDLY TO BE PUT IN THE BAD SPORT LOBBY. I HAVE DONE BAD SPORT ACTIONS TO DEFEND MYSELF BUT STILL GET GOOD SPORT BONUS.

 

I have as well, dummy. What's your point? I destroyed a car 3 times in the time I was playing yesterday and was put in a bad sport lobby.

Can you explain to me why the people who were trying to spawnkill me weren't put in a bad sport lobby?

 

 

 

You mean you don't watch the radar when you have a bounty? You carry on as usual waiting to be attacked, then complain the system is broken?

Who said I have a bounty? I get people attacking me regardless of whether I have a bounty on me or not.

You're dumb for agreeing with the moron who said you should have to do bad sport acts more than once to go in a bad sport lobby when THAT is the way it works.

 

And you didn't know sh*t stop acting like you knew that. You and the other idiots drop in a thread, selective read and spread false information. Also, I've blown up cars more than once and STILL didn't get put in bad sport only lobby.

 

Also, there is no reason you needed to blow the car up 3 times. You could have easily done it ZERO times and changed lobby.

 

LoL! That is your solution? Instead of wanting a change to the flawed bad sport system, you want to go through all this BS to avoid it? Wouldn't it be better if it was just changed? I'm supposed to leave lobbies if someone shoots me? Well, I wouldn't have to worry about that if the system wasn't broken to begin with.

 

I don't care how many cars you've blown up while you still haven't become a bad sport. I'm not you. I've destroyed 3 cars and became a bad sport. That's what happened to me.

[Chaos-Elite]

 

I'm not saying I win every time but I'm constantly learning and thinking about strategy and tactics because that's one of the things I find fun and challenging. Keep working on getting better and playing the game by the rules.

Well, that is another problem with it. You CANNOT win every time, no matter how good you are, because the game limits what you can do and punishes you in some cases. Regardless if it was started by the other player, or if he has spawnkilled you 30 times.

 

Because instead of punishing players who actually deserve it, it's all based on who destroys each others car.

 

 

Not winning every fight isn't a problem for me. I know when I play online multiplayer I'm gonna lose sometimes. It's all part of the challenge and learning process.

[CReaper210]

 

 

I'm not saying I win every time but I'm constantly learning and thinking about strategy and tactics because that's one of the things I find fun and challenging. Keep working on getting better and playing the game by the rules.

Well, that is another problem with it. You CANNOT win every time, no matter how good you are, because the game limits what you can do and punishes you in some cases. Regardless if it was started by the other player, or if he has spawnkilled you 30 times.

 

Because instead of punishing players who actually deserve it, it's all based on who destroys each others car.

 

 

Not winning every fight isn't a problem for me. I know when I play online multiplayer I'm gonna lose sometimes. It's all part of the challenge and learning process.

 

You're missing the point, buddy...

Whatever. I guess I'm done here. You think the bad sport system is fine, I don't. The fact is, and I'll just leave it at this, there are lots of us who have been playing GTA5 solely to have some fun in free mode, but will also defend ourselves if we have to. And sometimes, we blow up each others vehicles. It is inevitable, and even smart(if not for the bad sport system) for combat.

 

It is just annoying how they are allowing spawnkillers, which are far worse, to roam freely while other are being punished for being attacked.

As it is now, I think it is broken, and the majority of people I've discussed this with generally agree.

 

Also, I've destroyed peoples vehicles just by shooting them with bullets. It doesn't have to be explosives. I've had numerous times where I start chasing people and NOT using explosives at all, and I end up just missing his body and shooting the car a lot and explode it that way. Nothing I could've done there either. There are honestly countless situations like this to prove why the bad sport system is broken, but if you want to ignore it, fine. I hope they patch it.

Edited October 14, 2013 by creaper210

[Chaos-Elite]

 

 

 

I'm not saying I win every time but I'm constantly learning and thinking about strategy and tactics because that's one of the things I find fun and challenging. Keep working on getting better and playing the game by the rules.

Well, that is another problem with it. You CANNOT win every time, no matter how good you are, because the game limits what you can do and punishes you in some cases. Regardless if it was started by the other player, or if he has spawnkilled you 30 times.

 

Because instead of punishing players who actually deserve it, it's all based on who destroys each others car.

 

 

Not winning every fight isn't a problem for me. I know when I play online multiplayer I'm gonna lose sometimes. It's all part of the challenge and learning process.

 

You're missing the point, buddy...

Whatever. I guess I'm done here. You think the bad sport system is fine, I don't. The fact is, and I'll just leave it at this, there are lots of us who have been playing GTA5 solely to have some fun in free mode, but will also defend ourselves if we have to. And sometimes, we blow up each others vehicles. It is inevitable, and even smart(if not for the bad sport system) for combat.

 

It is just annoying how they are allowing spawnkillers, which are far worse, to roam freely while other are being punished for being attacked.

As it is now, I think it is broken, and the majority of people I've discussed this with generally agree.

 

 

If R* didn't intend people to respawn near where they died it wouldn't be that way. I like it that way to get straight back into the action. You can change your respawn location in the options if you want to.

 

If the bad sport car destruction rule was removed cars would be getting destroyed every few seconds. You would be constantly calling the insurance company. Trolls would camp LSC every time someone goes in, lnsurance company car spawn locations, people would just drive around stickybombing cars, using grenades, RPGs, tanks to destroy personal vehicles etc. It would suck.

[rocky533]

To shoot at cars chasing you, hold R3(right analog stick button) and aim. It puts the camera directly behind so you can wait for a strait area, turn around and shoot out their tires, or in the face. Get good at that and police chases become easy as you just have to take out 1 tire and they cant drive.

[smokey__]

why not switch servers, start a quick mission or host your own private server and do missions. It is really simple to use your phone while driving even being pursued and switch servers.

[SealsX090]

Find a aircraft, you will be safe unless bounty hunters stole a laser from military base

[iVoltScopez V2]

In the case of lower level players with not as nice cars being chased by someone in a conquette or Entity... how is it fair to not blow them up? you can't run away from those cars.

[Chaos-Elite]

In the case of lower level players with not as nice cars being chased by someone in a conquette or Entity... how is it fair to not blow them up? you can't run away from those cars.

 

In that situation the player needs to drive down an alleyway or something and find good cover, preferably a good defensive position they have previously scouted as part of their strategy.

[SOHC_VTEC]

Situational awareness 101.

 

Down on d pad2x

 

Class dismissed.

[Chaos-Elite]

Here is a guy "defending" himself, and a view of what it would be like if there was no bad sport for destroying personal vehicles.