GTA: Online - The Titanic of the Gaming Industry

[x0v3rKiLx]

How tragic it is...the similarities between the Titanic and GTA: Online. A ship thought to be unsinkable, and a game thought by nearly everyone (myself included) to be unbeatable. But because of nothing less than sheer stupidity on the part of the people in charge, both were fatally crippled in their infancy before either had a chance to shine and live up to all the hype.

 

I know I'm one of the DOZENS of people "bitching" about the latest patch that pretty much cut any job grinding method off at the pass, but honestly, for me, that's the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the ways in which GTA Online (as WELL as GTA V for that matter) has utterly failed in my opinion.

 

1) The sheer amount of sh*tdickery in public matches pretty much FORCES you to play solo or only with friends if you want to have any chance of NOT paying a ridiculous healthcare bill every five seconds. Really? You would think that a game whose title ends in "Online" would motivate you to play with...oh...I don't know...OTHER f*ckING PEOPLE? Instead, Rockstar makes up this "good behavior reward" bullsh*t - a measly $1000 - to make it look like they support teamwork and peaceful coexistence between players. Give me a break. You might as well give me a gummy bear or a smiley-face sticker like we're back in kindergarten, because from what I've seen, either of those will do just as much good as $1000 in terms of incentivizing players to not be indiscrimiate dicks to others around them.

 

2) The game is built like an MMO but with a CoD kind of emphasis on spending REAL money....The design of this game: everything from repeatable (scoff) missions to character creation...it all screams MMO, but when it comes to supporting grinding for decent rewards like ANY MMO I've ever seen....this game makes it a complete impossibility. Look at Star Trek: Online, that's an MMO that got the free-to-play model right. GTA:O isn't free to play. It isn't even pay-to-win. GTA: Online....is pay-to-enjoy. If you aren't willing to shell out tons of money for in-game cash, prepare to spend your entire existence on this game scraping out a pathetic reward for each 15 minute mission as you wallow at the bottom, perhaps reaching Rank 100 by mid-2014.

 

3) GTA V got completely turned into a sideshow...a demo version of GTA: Online. All those wonderful promises of what we could expect in GTA 5 (not ONLINE...)...buying houses, garages, and cars...deep character customization - All LIES. No buyable houses. Only three 4-car garages. Haircuts and beards for each character that I can all count on one hand. A jokingly shallow selection of buyable vehicles. This is what we all waited for? A very hollow game compared to what we were promised, that's for sure.

 

So what GTA V and GTA Online have boiled down to for me is a mediocre game coated in lies to seem historically amazing that CAN be enjoyable, the only caveat being I have to be playing Online and I have to be playing Solo or with a friend, AND I have to be willing to spend weeks of playtime at a rank too low to buy anything expensive to try and rank up so I can, at some distant point in future, build up a bankroll. It's either that or open up my real-world wallet...

 

I've got to say, I think this is the most disappointing title I've EVER played on the XBox...but for a unique reason. It isn't the worst title I've ever played, that title I reserve for MW2. What makes it so disappointing is how far a FALL it took from where it was originally. I really thought this game would save the industry. Instead, it descended into a boring, glitchy mess where money is scarce, everything is too expensive to pay for through jobs, thus motivating you to take part in the cancer of the gaming industry: microtransactions. I for one am quite stretched thin on funds and have no intent of paying out of pocket to compensate for the fact that Rockstar wants more of my money badly enough to sabotage the game's structure.

 

It pains me to say this considering how much of a love affair I imagined having with this game before it came out, but....I'm going back to Star Trek: Online. Later, everyone. It's been real.

Edited October 9, 2013 by x0v3rKiLx

[kabahaly]

Goodbye, you will not be missed.

[crowstwo]

It shall rise like the Phoenix

[x0v3rKiLx]

Goodbye, you will not be missed.

 

Because I give a sh*t if you miss me or not.

 

/sarcasm

 

It shall rise like the Phoenix

 

I won't waste my time holding my breath. They say the same thing about each new sh*tty CoD game every year. There's a reason I stopped playing those games too.

Edited October 9, 2013 by x0v3rKiLx

[kopkiller666]

Well....I'm sure you enjoyed san andreas for ps2 so what can you do in SA that you can't do in 5? what makes it more fun than 5 since it's a total let down?

 

Even if this game was just 2 player co op with a friend like saints row 2 and 3 it'd still be the sh*t.

[GTALegion]

Love the game, hate the nerf. Crybabies got their bottle and they're still crying. Sheesh.

[x0v3rKiLx]

Well....I'm sure you enjoyed san andreas for ps2 so what can you do in SA that you can't do in 5? what makes it more fun than 5 since it's a total let down?

 

Even if this game was just 2 player co op with a friend like saints row 2 and 3 it'd still be the sh*t.

 

This game WOULD be an amazing 2-player co-op game if that was what it was structured to be. Except this game is supposedly about "making friends" and forming crews to work on jobs together. I don't see any of that happening. The only interaction I've had with pub players is random attacks on my car and myself for no good reason. Whoopie...

[DatDudeDB]

No offense but none of your criticism hold merit.

 

At the end of the day GTA V campaign was really f*cking fun and enjoyable, and Los Santos was great to explore.

 

GTA ONLINE is still growing and building. Rockstar will constantly give tweaks and fixes, and publish new (free) content to play with. What we are playing right now is essentially a beta more or less.

 

I consider gta v to be a really great game, and I'm honestly sad that you don't think likewise. But regardless, enjoy your life [email protected]

[Longtonguehuey]

The only tragic thing here is the notion that this masterpiece of a game is being devalued over your inability to wear more than five beards.

[DatDudeDB]

 

Well....I'm sure you enjoyed san andreas for ps2 so what can you do in SA that you can't do in 5? what makes it more fun than 5 since it's a total let down?

 

Even if this game was just 2 player co op with a friend like saints row 2 and 3 it'd still be the sh*t.

 

This game WOULD be an amazing 2-player co-op game if that was what it was structured to be. Except this game is supposedly about "making friends" and forming crews to work on jobs together. I don't see any of that happening. The only interaction I've had with pub players is random attacks on my car and myself for no good reason. Whoopie...

 

 

Why don't you play with your friends, and join a good solid crew to play with? An just do free roam with them.

[x0v3rKiLx]

No offense but none of your criticism hold merit.

 

At the end of the day GTA V campaign was really f*cking fun and enjoyable, and Los Santos was great to explore.

 

GTA ONLINE is still growing and building. Rockstar will constantly give tweaks and fixes, and publish new (free) content to play with. What we are playing right now is essentially a beta more or less.

 

I consider gta v to be a really great game, and I'm honestly sad that you don't think likewise. But regardless, enjoy your life [email protected]

 

Yeah, "growing and building". Heard the same thing about Black Ops 2. It's all rhetoric and slogans to me. I want substance, results. Not promises. An online game this hollow and devoid of fun shouldn't be released at ALL until it "grows" and "builds" to the point where it's a respectable title. Right now, there's nothing to do in GTA:O other than spend miserly and try to avoid the hospital bill.

 

The only tragic thing here is the notion that this masterpiece of a game is being devalued over your inability to wear more than five beards.

 

Way to extrapolate one little bit of my post and make it sound like that's all I was talking about. Your reading comprehension skills must suck harder than a Kardashian in the Miami Heat locker room.

Edited October 9, 2013 by x0v3rKiLx

[buddybravo]

No one's forcing you to spend REAL money (it's not neccessary in any way to enjoy the game) and game launches fail all the time, if you expected this to be a perfect launch you set yourself up for dissapointment.

[Longtonguehuey]

 

 

No offense but none of your criticism hold merit.

 

At the end of the day GTA V campaign was really f*cking fun and enjoyable, and Los Santos was great to explore.

 

GTA ONLINE is still growing and building. Rockstar will constantly give tweaks and fixes, and publish new (free) content to play with. What we are playing right now is essentially a beta more or less.

 

I consider gta v to be a really great game, and I'm honestly sad that you don't think likewise. But regardless, enjoy your life [email protected]

Yeah, "growing and building". Heard the same thing about Black Ops 2. It's all rhetoric and slogans to me. I want substance, results. Not promises.

 

The only tragic thing here is the notion that this masterpiece of a game is being devalued over your inability to wear more than five beards.

Way to extrapolate one little bit of my post and make it sound like that's all I was talking about. Your reading comprehension skills must suck harder than a Kardashian in the Miami Heat locker room.

I selectively read stuff to suit my argument.

 

It's a bit like how you play games it seems.

[DaCosta]

I agree with much of x0v3rKiLx's sentiment - he has valid points - however I am thoroughly enjoying (most parts of) the game. And the best bits of GTA:O are hilarious and thoroughly fulfilling!

 

But I do think R* have not got the balance of GTA Online right yet and they certainly don't promote teamwork and cooperation in their gameplay mechanics.

 

I play with a crew, and this is brilliant, but playing solo must be a very tough situation at times.

 

Rockstar expected people to play the game the way that they designed it to be played, and not try to exploit every hole, but in reality this isn't happening.

 

GTA:O is not the Titanic of the gaming industry - it's actually a startling and hilarious/frustrating mess of a game but I'll be playing it again tonight and so will millions of others. If they continue to create order in Los Santos, I'll be playing it for a lot longer!

[Tayman]

The only tragic thing here is the notion that this masterpiece of a game is being devalued over your inability to wear more than five beards.

lol

[DatDudeDB]

 

No offense but none of your criticism hold merit.

 

At the end of the day GTA V campaign was really f*cking fun and enjoyable, and Los Santos was great to explore.

 

GTA ONLINE is still growing and building. Rockstar will constantly give tweaks and fixes, and publish new (free) content to play with. What we are playing right now is essentially a beta more or less.

 

I consider gta v to be a really great game, and I'm honestly sad that you don't think likewise. But regardless, enjoy your life [email protected]

 

Yeah, "growing and building". Heard the same thing about Black Ops 2. It's all rhetoric and slogans to me. I want substance, results. Not promises. An online game this hollow and devoid of fun shouldn't be released at ALL until it "grows" and "builds" to the point where it's a respectable title. Right now, there's nothing to do in GTA:O other than spend miserly and try to avoid the hospital bill.

 

The only tragic thing here is the notion that this masterpiece of a game is being devalued over your inability to wear more than five beards.

 

Way to extrapolate one little bit of my post and make it sound like that's all I was talking about. Your reading comprehension skills must suck harder than a Kardashian in the Miami Heat locker room.

 

 

Except rockstar already promised that in the new few weeks we will get Co-Op heists, Capture The Flag Mode, Creation Editor Tool, and Beach Bum Pack (new clothing/weapons/vehicles) all in the coming weeks.

 

Hell they show it off in the trailers, and even Lester asks you to buy a high end apartment with a heist planning board.

 

So this "well see", is hardly "well see"

 

The difference between gta online and black ops 2 is that there will be a new iteration of online with each and every cod.

 

GTA ONLINE will be THE ONLINE experience for all future gta games (the president of rockstar north, said they want to, in the future, add Liberty City as a playable map where you can free roam and do missions in).

 

Rockstar ambition is much higher than that of Black Ops 2. This is essentially a standalone free to play mmo expereience.

[x0v3rKiLx]

No one's forcing you to spend REAL money (it's not neccessary in any way to enjoy the game) and game launches fail all the time, if you expected this to be a perfect launch you set yourself up for dissapointment.

 

If you consider grinding out measly jobs for endless amounts of time just to get a garage to put your cars in to be enjoyable, then that's great. I don't. Not when jobs are so bland and repetitive. Go here. Kill this. Destroy that. Bring this to that guy. Done. Repeat 1000x and we'll give you a crappy apartment. Repeat another 1000x and we'll give you a car....sorry...that's not my cup of tea.

 

And I didn't expect this to be a "perfect launch". I didn't expect this game to be as boring, bland, and repetitive as it is either. That much I can say.

[x0v3rKiLx]

I agree with much of x0v3rKiLx's sentiment - he has valid points - however I am thoroughly enjoying (most parts of) the game. And the best bits of GTA:O are hilarious and thoroughly fulfilling!

 

But I do think R* have not got the balance of GTA Online right yet and they certainly don't promote teamwork and cooperation in their gameplay mechanics.

 

I play with a crew, and this is brilliant, but playing solo must be a very tough situation at times.

 

Rockstar expected people to play the game the way that they designed it to be played, and not try to exploit every hole, but in reality this isn't happening.

 

GTA:O is not the Titanic of the gaming industry - it's actually a startling and hilarious/frustrating mess of a game but I'll be playing it again tonight and so will millions of others. If they continue to create order in Los Santos, I'll be playing it for a lot longer!

 

Maybe this game will mature and eventually become enjoyable. I know Star Trek: Online wasn't always as enjoyable as it is now. The people who were around for its launch can verify that. Anyone I ask talks about how the KDF faction had practically no substance or content, the game was buggy as hell, grinding was a complete pain in the ass, etc. etc.

 

Maybe GTA:O will have some epiphany like STO did and become a good, maybe even great, game in the future. Like I said though, I won't hold my breath. Maybe I'll come back once I see or hear that things have changed. But as it stands now, I just can't enjoy it no matter how hard I try. I really tried giving this game a shot. I wanted to love it, but it just kept pissing me off and driving me away little by little.

[DatDudeDB]

 

No one's forcing you to spend REAL money (it's not neccessary in any way to enjoy the game) and game launches fail all the time, if you expected this to be a perfect launch you set yourself up for dissapointment.

 

If you consider grinding out measly jobs for endless amounts of time just to get a garage to put your cars in to be enjoyable, then that's great. I don't. Not when jobs are so bland and repetitive. Go here. Kill this. Destroy that. Bring this to that guy. Done. Repeat 1000x and we'll give you a crappy apartment. Repeat another 1000x and we'll give you a car....sorry...that's not my cup of tea.

 

And I didn't expect this to be a "perfect launch". I didn't expect this game to be as boring, bland, and repetitive as it is either. That much I can say.

 

 

What the f*ck are you talking about dude?

 

No one's REQUIRING you to do those "boring missions"

 

WIn a race, and you will 6,000+

 

Get to Round 10 of Survival Mode and you win 20K

 

Win any game mode like top fun and you win 3-4K.

 

I mean christ, just do some fun modes with your crew and you will get at the very least 50K by the end of your playing session.

 

Hell doing bounties, or collecting vehicles for simeon can all next you 5-10K in pay.

 

It just sounds like you played Online for an hour or two and have said f*ck THIS sh*t! Rather than really ranking up and seeing what Online is really all about.

[x0v3rKiLx]

Except rockstar already promised that in the new few weeks we will get Co-Op heists, Capture The Flag Mode, Creation Editor Tool, and Beach Bum Pack (new clothing/weapons/vehicles) all in the coming weeks.

 

 

1) Co-op heists that pay out what kind of money?

 

2) PvP in this game is screwed until they fix the spawn system. Right now, MW3 has better spawns. That's saying something...

 

3) Lord only knows how that will pan out.

 

4) DLC we'll have to PAY for. I have no intent on paying another penny towards this game until I see return on my initial investment. Besides, even if I was 100% satisfied, I wouldn't pay extra for more carts. There's 250 something cars in the game already. That's quite enough for me. And I can do with what clothes and weapons already exist.

[DatDudeDB]

Also your "prepare you to reach rank 100" by 2014 is really idiotic. I'm nearly rank 30 (with no farming involved), and have played for just a few days.

 

I can easily reach rank 100 by November if I really wanted to (but I have life stuff in the way like school and family and worK)

[x0v3rKiLx]

 

 

No one's forcing you to spend REAL money (it's not neccessary in any way to enjoy the game) and game launches fail all the time, if you expected this to be a perfect launch you set yourself up for dissapointment.

 

If you consider grinding out measly jobs for endless amounts of time just to get a garage to put your cars in to be enjoyable, then that's great. I don't. Not when jobs are so bland and repetitive. Go here. Kill this. Destroy that. Bring this to that guy. Done. Repeat 1000x and we'll give you a crappy apartment. Repeat another 1000x and we'll give you a car....sorry...that's not my cup of tea.

 

And I didn't expect this to be a "perfect launch". I didn't expect this game to be as boring, bland, and repetitive as it is either. That much I can say.

 

 

What the f*ck are you talking about dude?

 

No one's REQUIRING you to do those "boring missions"

 

WIn a race, and you will 6,000+

 

Get to Round 10 of Survival Mode and you win 20K

 

Win any game mode like top fun and you win 3-4K.

 

I mean christ, just do some fun modes with your crew and you will get at the very least 50K by the end of your playing session.

 

Hell doing bounties, or collecting vehicles for simeon can all next you 5-10K in pay.

 

It just sounds like you played Online for an hour or two and have said f*ck THIS sh*t! Rather than really ranking up and seeing what Online is really all about.

 

 

I've played Online for over 30 hours by now, FYI. And compared to the Violent Duct grind that would net me 150k per hour, it's kinda hard to make 50k per hour sound lucrative in any way shape or form. It's a 66% downgrade in terms of reward based on time spent playing. Not kosher.

[x0v3rKiLx]

Also your "prepare you to reach rank 100" by 2014 is really idiotic. I'm nearly rank 30 (with no farming involved), and have played for just a few days.

 

I can easily reach rank 100 by November if I really wanted to (but I have life stuff in the way like school and family and worK)

 

Exactly. For anyone who has any sort of life or job to attend to outside of this game that CAN'T live on it endlessly, November is not a realistic date. Neither is December. Where does that leave us? Class? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Edited October 9, 2013 by x0v3rKiLx

[DatDudeDB]

 

Except rockstar already promised that in the new few weeks we will get Co-Op heists, Capture The Flag Mode, Creation Editor Tool, and Beach Bum Pack (new clothing/weapons/vehicles) all in the coming weeks.

 

 

1) Co-op heists that pay out what kind of money?

 

2) PvP in this game is screwed until they fix the spawn system. Right now, MW3 has better spawns. That's saying something...

 

3) Lord only knows how that will pan out.

 

4) DLC we'll have to PAY for his game until I see return on my initial investment. Besides, even if I was 100% satisfied, I wouldn't pay extra for more carts. There's 250 something cars in the game already. That's quite enough for me. And I can do with what clothes and weapons already exist.

 

 

1. Presumably around 200-400K. Again you have to hire crew members to be your gunner, driver, pilot, they all take cuts. Delivering all that money safely will also be a challenge. At the end of the day 200-400K should be what we should expect. An it'll probably once every day or so (so you can't farm it).

 

2. Again, Rockstar will be opening up a Forum on there Social Club website. They said they will rely on the community HEAVILY for what players like and don't like and what they would like to see tweaked/fixed. Letting rockstar know will go a long way in fixing the spawn system

 

3. I guess, except rockstar has made it pretty evident they are interested in what we think about GTA Online. Again, this isn't a simple add on for GTA V, this is a HUGE stand alone that will expand in the months to come.

 

4. Nope it's ALL FREE.

 

"Currently Planned GTA Online Content Updates:

Here is a quick overview of a few initial things we’re working on for the first few weeks of Grand Theft Auto Online, alongside an aggressive period of tuning and finessing the game. We will give you dates for all of this content as soon as we have them – bear in mind that the order of things may well change, and we will probably add some extra stuff as well!

• The Content Creator: The Content Creator will launch with tools to tailor and publish your own Deathmatches & Races.

   

• The Beach Bum Pack: Featuring 4 new amazing beach fun vehicles, over 300 new items of incredible down tempo leisure wear and 2 new but not remotely relaxing weapons.

   

• Capture the Flag: GTA Online’s take on the classic CTF mode including the ability to make your own using The Content Creator.

   

• Heists: This update will introduce full-on cooperative Heist missions that will require careful planning, teamwork and sharp execution – along with the Heist Planning Board for your apartment.

Just to be clear, all of these updates will be FREE. We’ll have more info on this and much more additional content as our plans develop through the launch period, and as we get feedback from you. Please stay tuned for further info and updates. And remember – we need your help to make this experience all it can be.

Thank you everyone,

Rockstar Games"

You can read more here: http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/51422/some-more-details-on-grand-theft-auto-online.html

[Nesto2000]

Why are you in such a rush? I really dont get that. In my opnion it's a good thing, that earning goes slow, because when you have earned everything there is and can buy everyhting there is, what the point for you, since obviously all you care about is earning cash and leveling. The game has ended! whoopsiedoooo!

 

I can really enjoy the game itself and really dont care about the money or the RP. it's the most diverse game i have ever seen.

[DatDudeDB]

 

Also your "prepare you to reach rank 100" by 2014 is really idiotic. I'm nearly rank 30 (with no farming involved), and have played for just a few days.

 

I can easily reach rank 100 by November if I really wanted to (but I have life stuff in the way like school and family and worK)

 

Exactly. For anyone who has any sort of life or job to attend to outside of this game that CAN'T live on it endlessly, November is not a realistic date. Neither is December. Where does that leave us? Class? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

 

 

What's your obsession with reaching rank 100 so quickly though? Is this some sort of competition? No. It's about having fun with your xbox/ps3 friends, and having fun with your crew. Everything else is just gravy.

[Outlinez]

Well....I'm sure you enjoyed san andreas for ps2 so what can you do in SA that you can't do in 5? what makes it more fun than 5 since it's a total let down?

 

Even if this game was just 2 player co op with a friend like saints row 2 and 3 it'd still be the sh*t.

i dont think you're grasping the concept of the missions don't actually give a big enough reward increase to validate that statement OP is correct this game has a very rushed feel to it online and offline i mean come on a game who's main characters are bank robbers only contained what 2-3 heists in SP wheres the sense in that? then you have the franklin/lamar storys etc never a forum gangster story line would've been nice to get some of the territory take over stuff back to gta and taking down some of the other gangs and what not it just has these repetitive online missions with sucky rewards it makes no sense they couldve done so much more with it and it is a little disappointing

[Hover_Mode]

Gta Online is so epic . something so new. that it has people calling it the titanic "surely something this big must sink"

 

Haha

[Cooperal1012]

You could tell R* and Take-Two f'd up royally when they sold the single fastest selling entertainment product in history.

 

Gotta love it when you can debunk lengthy, emotionally-fuelled essays in a sentence.

[buddybravo]

 

No one's forcing you to spend REAL money (it's not neccessary in any way to enjoy the game) and game launches fail all the time, if you expected this to be a perfect launch you set yourself up for dissapointment.

 

If you consider grinding out measly jobs for endless amounts of time just to get a garage to put your cars in to be enjoyable, then that's great. I don't. Not when jobs are so bland and repetitive. Go here. Kill this. Destroy that. Bring this to that guy. Done. Repeat 1000x and we'll give you a crappy apartment. Repeat another 1000x and we'll give you a car....sorry...that's not my cup of tea.

 

And I didn't expect this to be a "perfect launch". I didn't expect this game to be as boring, bland, and repetitive as it is either. That much I can say.

 

 

That's what GTA is. It's GTA and it's online... GTA:Online