Did Trevor know the full extent of the betrayal? [SPOILERS]

[theguitarist]

Of Michael's betrayal? Basically Michael set up the deal with Dave Norton before the prologue heist in North Yankton and walked Brad and Trevor into a trap. Trevor was meant to die from the sniper shot and be buried in Michael's place because he was becoming too crazy and had nothing to lose, while Michael had a family and needed to get out. It was either Michael who would get out or they all would eventually end up dead, that was his justification. Brad took the shot for Trevor accidentally in the prologue and Michael, knowing Brad could take his place in the grave instead, asked Trevor to run.

 

Did Trevor know about all of this in the end, or did he just figure Michael betrayed him since Brad was in his grave and obviously something was up? Meaning he could've thought that Michael only set up the deal with Dave after he was shot?

[IceHot100]

No I guess he knew Mike set up the deal prior to the heist.

[RubberGrip]

The story has always confused me a little. So michael was working with FIB before the prologue? Why? Why would killing trevor be the only way out of the life of crime HE chose to do? Who the hell is brad? And why was he buried in michaels coffin? STILL CONFUSED!!!

[TheMarkofZollo]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I recall what happened in the Prologue was;

Brad got shot, Mike went to save him and got hit too. He told Trev to run which he did, this allowed Trev to escape.

Mike was captured and Brad was dead so he hatched a deal with Dave (not the FIB). They faked Mike's death, put Brad's body in the grave and put Mike in a sort of witness protection that Mike paid Dave to continue (hence Ron found the transactions to Dave's account).

Dave got to look good as the Agent who shot and ended Mike's heist spree, he also got a promotion out of it I think.

 

Mike took this opportunity as the best way out, otherwise he would be in jail and Brad would have died for nothing.

Edited October 8, 2013 by TheMarkofZollo

[Ferocious Banger]

^You're right.

[Red XIII]

Ops. sorry for the double post.

Edited October 8, 2013 by Red XIII

[Red XIII]

Mike had a deal with the FIB before the heist even happened, hence why mike said "stick to the plan" just after the crash, because he wanted Trevor to walk into the ambush. If they didn't stick to the plan they probably would've all gotten away and mike knew that.

[theguitarist]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I recall what happened in the Prologue was;

Brad got shot, Mike went to save him and got hit too. He told Trev to run which he did, this allowed Trev to escape.

Mike was captured and Brad was dead so he hatched a deal with Dave (not the FIB). They faked Mike's death, put Brad's body in the grave and put Mike in a sort of witness protection that Mike paid Dave to continue (hence Ron found the transactions to Dave's account).

Dave got to look good as the Agent who shot and ended Mike's heist spree, he also got a promotion out of it I think.

 

Mike took this opportunity as the best way out, otherwise he would be in jail and Brad would have died for nothing.

No, Michael made the deal before the heist.

 

You can hear in the flashbacks during the 'Bury the Hatchet' mission that Michael tells Amanda he made a deal with Dave and that there was "one more job and thats it"; that job was the prologue. When the car crashes in the prologue, Michael tells everyone to stick to the plan because he knows Dave will ambush them. You can distinctly tell Brad takes the shot for Trevor by accidentally walking in front of him. If you look closely, Michael isn't bleeding when he was shot, meaning he wore a bulletproof vest knowing Dave was going to shoot.

 

Michael was the traitor but he did it for the right reasons. Trevor was crazy, had nothing to lose and was going to eventually get him and his family killed. Michael knew he had to get out.

[theguitarist]

Mike had a deal with the FIB before the heist even happened, hence why mike said "stick to the plan" just after the crash, because he wanted Trevor to walk into the ambush. If they didn't stick to the plan they probably would've all gotten away and mike knew that.

Yes but did Trevor end up knowing this?

[theguitarist]

The story has always confused me a little. So michael was working with FIB before the prologue? Why? Why would killing trevor be the only way out of the life of crime HE chose to do? Who the hell is brad? And why was he buried in michaels coffin? STILL CONFUSED!!!

No, he mad a deal with Dave personally only, not the FIB. Trevor had to die because he was crazy and had nothing to lose, whereas Michael now had a family and needed to get out. Michael was certain that either he got out or that eventually Trevor would end up getting everyone killed. Brad is the third person involved in the heist during the prologue who gets shot and dies. He was buried in Michael's coffin because he was shot instead of Trevor by accident, and Michael knows that although the wrong person was shot, he can still get a new life with Brad taking Trevor's place.

[TheMarkofZollo]

Fair enough, guess i just saw from a slightly different perspective.

I never heard that on 'Bury the hatchet', maybe was whilst I was flying the plane with Trevor

Edited October 8, 2013 by TheMarkofZollo

[Red XIII]

 

Mike had a deal with the FIB before the heist even happened, hence why mike said "stick to the plan" just after the crash, because he wanted Trevor to walk into the ambush. If they didn't stick to the plan they probably would've all gotten away and mike knew that.

Yes but did Trevor end up knowing this?

 

I don't think he knew that mike wanted him dead instead of brad.

[theguitarist]

Fair enough, guess i just saw from a slightly different perspective.

I never heard that on 'Bury the hatchet', maybe was whilst I was flying the plane with Trevor

Replay the mission and you'll play it from Michael's perspective. The flashback is one of the more emotional parts of the story

[theguitarist]

 

Fair enough, guess i just saw from a slightly different perspective.

I never heard that on 'Bury the hatchet', maybe was whilst I was flying the plane with Trevor

Replay the mission and you'll play it from Michael's perspective. The flashback is one of the more emotional parts of the story

 

But did he know Michael set them up before the prologue heist I wonder...

[BreakingBlaineCounty]

up to opinion they never directly state wether or not mike set up the deal with the FIB before or after the prolouge

[TheMarkofZollo]

Just watched the prologue mission on yt btw, I see what you guys mean now.

 

But did he know Michael set them up before the prologue heist I wonder...

Perhaps when he found out he knew that. I always thought T overreacted when he found out later in the game but makes sense now.

I still like how Trevor wanted no part in killing Mike at the end though (I read in the guide).

[theguitarist]

up to opinion they never directly state wether or not mike set up the deal with the FIB before or after the prolouge

They did in the flashback

[spamtackey]

I don't think he knows 100% but he strongly suspected it. He asks Mike during 'Bury the Hatchet' if the shot was meant for him, but Michael never confirms it that I can recall.

 

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I recall what happened in the Prologue was;

Brad got shot, Mike went to save him and got hit too. He told Trev to run which he did, this allowed Trev to escape.

Mike was captured and Brad was dead so he hatched a deal with Dave (not the FIB). They faked Mike's death, put Brad's body in the grave and put Mike in a sort of witness protection that Mike paid Dave to continue (hence Ron found the transactions to Dave's account).

Dave got to look good as the Agent who shot and ended Mike's heist spree, he also got a promotion out of it I think.

 

Mike took this opportunity as the best way out, otherwise he would be in jail and Brad would have died for nothing.

 

What happened was that Mike got a wife and kids. He wanted out of the game for their and his own safety. In response (confirmed by dialogue after the game) Trevor stepped up their heists in order to try and force Mike to keep robbing people. However, Trevor and Brad had nothing to lose so they were reckless and Mike knew that he couldn't just say "I'm done with this and moving to Los Santos. I'll send ya a postcard T." because Trevor would likely come after him and force him back into the game. Brad was more likely just going to go into hiding or something after a Heist gone wrong. So he finds a potentially struggling FIB agent and makes the deal to make the agent's career (by giving him credit for ending the notorious Michael Townly's career) in exchange for witness protection. One condition was that the agent would also shoot Trevor to cut the strongest tie to that life that Michael had.

 

In the opening, Michael forces them to stick to the plan. Brad walks in front of Trevor and gets shot. Michael, wearing a bullet proof vest no doubt, stays out there and gets shot rather than run for cover like Trevor did. If you pay attention in the prologue, there's no blood on Mike's shirt, but there is on Brad's.

 

Personally, I think Trevor just wanted his friend back through the whole story. His attitude and craziness never let him just say "man forget about what happened back there, I just want to be friends. Let's go rob together." but if he was really pissed at Michael he would have just burst in his home and brutally murdered his family. He's killed people who mildly annoyed him, and yet Michael can do all that he did and get away with it.

 

 

The story has always confused me a little. So michael was working with FIB before the prologue? Why? Why would killing trevor be the only way out of the life of crime HE chose to do? Who the hell is brad? And why was he buried in michaels coffin? STILL CONFUSED!!!

 

Michael made a deal with an agent of the FIB before the prologue.

Trevor kept pulling Michael into more wild heists (he admits it if the two of them hang out after the main game). It's unlikely he would have just let Michael go and Michael did fear him to an extent.

Brad was the guy in the prologue who walked in front of Trevor and got shot.

He was buried in Michael's grave so they'd have a body to bury. Trevor didn't know he died and sent letters to him which the FIB started responding to.

[GutsAndGlory]

Exactly why I don't like Michael he's a snitch!

[Chukkles]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I recall what happened in the Prologue was;

Brad got shot, Mike went to save him and got hit too. He told Trev to run which he did, this allowed Trev to escape.

Mike was captured and Brad was dead so he hatched a deal with Dave (not the FIB). They faked Mike's death, put Brad's body in the grave and put Mike in a sort of witness protection that Mike paid Dave to continue (hence Ron found the transactions to Dave's account).

Dave got to look good as the Agent who shot and ended Mike's heist spree, he also got a promotion out of it I think.

 

Mike took this opportunity as the best way out, otherwise he would be in jail and Brad would have died for nothing.

This, he wasn't setting them up from the start, just the circumstances allowed for it after the fact.

[Terminus]

Yeah, when Michael explained it to Franklin in the Vinewood Hills he said, "Wrong guy got shot", meaning that he had meant to kill Trevor. Trevor was fiercely loyal in the prologue, though.

 

Thats why I almost killed Michael when I had the chance.

[Trevor_Phillips.]

No loyalty to the wolfpack !

[mattymcs]

Yeah it's very much stated in the dialogue that Michael made the deal prior to the prologue mission. Don't forget that it wasn't a deal with the FIB it was a deal with dave specifically to make his career in exchange for a way out.

 

It went slightly wrong as Trevor was meant to die, but as he thought both Michael and brad had died, he no longer had any running buddies so the FIB were content to leave him alone.

[RogueStatus]

thats a sh*tty title man... just bc you put (spoiler) in it doesnt mean its safe... not cool

[DarkDayz]

Wasn't Brad the third guy on the job in the prologue, him and Michael got shot, Trevor ran, didn't know what happened. He got told Michael died and Brad survived, and that Michael was buried in the Yankton cemetery, when in fact, as the game develops he (Trevor) finds out it's Michael that's alive, and their mate Brad, a massive friend of Trevor was in the grave, and not alive and well in a jail cell somewhere like he was told.

 

The deal didn't necessarily have to be before the shooting in Yankton, it could of been after Trevor ran, bottom line is, Mikey and Dave did a deal, Michael gets to live a happy life, if he fakes his death and allows Dave to reek the success of putting down one of the biggest heist criminals of the GTA world.

Edited October 8, 2013 by darkdayz

[Braindawg]

thats a sh*tty title man... just bc you put (spoiler) in it doesnt mean its safe... not cool

He spoiled NOTHING in the title. Why are you acting like a c*nt?

[Muse182]

Wow it all makes sense now. I was always confused at the part just after Trevor walks out and Michael calls Dave and he says something about a deal prior the the North Yankton heist.

 

Although it doesn't matter really, I was out on my third or fourth hang out with Trevor the other day and he said he didn't really care that Brad got killed and that Michael was right to do what he did. I was like, you spend the entire game bitching at me for getting him killed and only now you forgive me. Still have massive love for T though! Great character.

[DarkDayz]

Still, that story arc isn't powerful enough to warrant three playable characters. It should of gone SO much more in depth to justify having three playable characters. It could of just been Trevor as the protag, and Michael as some kind of antag, the story would of felt more natural and complete that way too. Thinking of the overal plot of the game, Franklin doesn't even need to be there.

[Khaos89]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I recall what happened in the Prologue was;

Brad got shot, Mike went to save him and got hit too. He told Trev to run which he did, this allowed Trev to escape.

Mike was captured and Brad was dead so he hatched a deal with Dave (not the FIB). They faked Mike's death, put Brad's body in the grave and put Mike in a sort of witness protection that Mike paid Dave to continue (hence Ron found the transactions to Dave's account).

Dave got to look good as the Agent who shot and ended Mike's heist spree, he also got a promotion out of it I think.

 

Mike took this opportunity as the best way out, otherwise he would be in jail and Brad would have died for nothing.

Wrong, it was set up before. Dave was supposed to shoot Trevor, Brad walked in front of him hence got shot. Michael then allows Dave to shoot him (whilst wearing a bullet proof vest) as his escape plan, just replay the first missions and it's clearly obvious he's allowing himself to be shot.

Edited October 8, 2013 by Khaos89

[fwenshy]

Deal after? But the fact we have confusion over it shows bad story writing. One missed sentence in one mission shouldn't mean you can get the story wrong completely.

Edited October 8, 2013 by fwenshy