Stock Market and More **Spoilers**

[rrocks]

**NOTE** I will try to keep this as spoiler free as possible, but I cannot explain all of my issues with this game without at the least hinting at things that may be considered spoilers, DO NOT READ THIS if you are concerned in the least bit about spoilers.

Okay, let me start off by saying that I greatly enjoyed this GTA release. I don't share the "rage" that some players experienced on GTA IV but I do find V more enjoyable. With that said, this game is obviously not without faults and let downs. I will try to keep this organized, but I feel the need to apologize for the length, poor sentence structure and overall terrible grammar.

 

1. The STOCK MARKET: I have played and played this game, I have well over 60hrs invested into it and I find the stock market to be just a broken mess of nothingness. The LCN stocks were affected by the assassination missions given by Lester and I missed out on the opportunity to make some money from two of them (but that's no big deal as I have more cash than I can spend). The issue I am seeing in game though is; no matter how I try to play the LCN stocks, they never seem to change. I can destroy all of the FlyUS planes and never see a change in AirEmu or vice versa. I have tried this method of causing pure chaos in the world to see how it would affect "rival" business' and minus a dollar or two change, there is never any action. The BAWSAQ stock was supposed to be influenced by all of us players, now if I believed RockStar could sync a dynamic stock market for every player playing the game at all times, I would also be ignorant enough to believe that multiplayer would work without flaw on day one of the launch. So with all of this being said, I feel like one of the games selling points for me turned out to be nothing more than a mini-game only applicable to 7-9 missions, very disappointing.

 

2. Physics..Etc: The driving in the game has improved a lot, the cars in GTA IV all felt like they weighed 10,000lbs and were rear wheel drive as they would slide through every turn and ultimately end up with you doing a 360 out of no where. They have improved upon this a lot and each of the vehicles feels properly weighted and has appropriate handling, but that does not mean there are not issues; It seems that in this version of GTA, whenever you crash into another vehicle they have the ability to stop you dead in your tracks. That seems logical at certain times, but when I am plowing through the city in my dump truck, I find it very annoying that a small mini-cooper (style) car can stop my truck dead in it's tracks. This mechanic becomes especially annoying when the "fuzz" is after you, as their number one tactic is to pull in front of you and then behind you, if this happens...you are pretty much done for and if not, you will be reduced in health to the point that a random NPC driver will end up putting you out of your misery as you try to hop across the highway like a game of frogger. My next issue would be the inclusion of turbulence, I understand it's a feature added to the game to add "realism" to it. But, why turbulence, I mean if you want to add realism to the game then maybe spend a little more time on polished strangers and freaks missions or add more content to the game. Turbulence to me - comes off more as an annoyance than anything else, because at this point I feel they should have added yaw/trim options and what about proper stalls and "realistic" landing? I mean where do you draw the line on this argument, I know some people are fans of it, but again I think the time could have been more creatively applied. It was there to piss me off - is exactly how I feel each time I get into an aircraft. It does not "feel" any more "realistic" having it as it's not realistic in itself and follows no logic or rules of physics/flight.

 

3. Properties: Okay, I am going to rush through this one very quickly. The properties are completely idiotic, they are a poor investment and need to be recoded and patched. I purchased the first property the "game suggested" to me (it was the Pot Shop for Franklin). This property was sold to me at $204,000 and it brings me an income of $7500/week (because I refuse to do the fetch missions, as it ruins the immersion for me). Now a game day lasts about 45 mins of real time, that's nearly 7hrs (real time) for a week to pass in game. At that rate, I will literally be playing Watch Dogs on my PS4 before I ever see a profit from that company. So I ask, besides buying a property for the 100% competion status, what would be the point? I mean unless you have no job, kids, wife, girlfriend, family, pets, hobbies, interests, etc...you can not invest enough hours into the game to realistically make a property purchase net you a good return.

 

4. 100% Completion: This was more of a person experience for me, I just chose to add it in for sh*ts and giggs. I beat the main story at the 32hr mark on my PS3. I did this by doing the random events as I wanted and taking care of the strangers and freaks missions as they popped up, I didn't rush, but I didn't turtle either - I simply kept a steady pace. Once the game was complete, I needed to do something more to justify spending $59.99 on a game that I beat so quickly so I decided to take on the 100% completion challenge. I spent well over 10hrs one day trying to get 100% completion, only to reallze that I had only risen up 1% towards the 100% completion goal. See, I was a fool, a sucker. I wanted to play the game legit with no guides, I felt that every article on the internet was chuck full of spoilers and I suspected I would finish the game quickly so I wanted to find things out for myself and find things out for myself - I did. Take it from me, use a freaking guide, it turns out that all those missions on your Social Club account don't mean sh*t, as it is Rockstar has decided to pick and choose what constitutes 100% and without a guide, you'll never know what is required of you and you'll end up wanting to hang yourself after you blow 10+hrs on missions that are boring/repititive and worsely...not required for the 100% completion.

 

5. Buildings and More: Having played GTA: San Andreas and then GTA IV, I would have thought that Rockstar would include the mechanics we all enjoyed from those games, but I was wrong. Turns out in GTA V you cannot enter the fast food joints, nor can you buy food from street vendors (although they are included in the game). I almost feel bad for the poor guy that I first tried to buy a hotdog from on the Pier by the ferris wheel, for he lost his life that day after I shot him at point blank range with my silenced shotgun, to add insult to injury - the last thing he saw was a bright light from the flashlight attachment I recently added to it. I was so pissed off when I walked up to the guy and told my friends "watch this" and they said "watch what"...the rage filled me and I said "this" and at that moment I took that poor mans life.

 

The other thing that got to me was the final mission, I was one of the lucky guys and I chose choice "C", but had I not, I think I would have a few (more) choice words for Rockstar and GTA V. See, I never got used to using my phone to save, it seemed so foreign to me. I have been pre-progammed to drive all the way back to my safe house and save, minus the autosave feature - it goes without saying that I don't (hard) save often. It seems idiotic to put a choice in the game that could totally ruin ones personal experience, but maybe they had a good reason for this...other than piss off a lot of people. Also, just a quick question, how many people have punched out their window with an SMG and started firing at random NPC's while trying to change your radio station?

Finally, as I was doing the last mission I was using Franklin and driving on the motorcycle, I got a call from Lamar and right when someone said "hey homie" or whatever, a car decided to pull out in front of me and needless to say I went sliding down the street...losing that call forever. It was not stored in my dialogue history either, so all I know is that we left a major shoot out earlier without a real explanation as to what happened to Lamar. I got on youtube and tried to watch some videos to see if I could hear that call over again, so I could learn Lamar's fate. It turns out that everyone that uploaded a video of that mission (at the time) decided to "character jump" right before the call would have come - to avoid drive times in game. So again I found myself raging and cussing at the 'idiots' that never even knew a call was coming because they were too impatient to drive to a checkpoint. I finally got lucky late that night and found one guy that didn't "character jump", but he thought it would be highly intelligent to fast forward through the whole video so the dialogue turned out so distorted it sounded like chlpmunks were up for a week straight smoking meth while shooting cocaine and snorting bath salts. But, he was intelligent enough to leave the subs on, so I was able to "click-click-click" through the portion and read the conversation. This is not Rockstars fault really, but when you are driving with an NPC in the car and you crash - the conversation pauses and then resumes afterwards, I wish they would have included the same feature with cell phones and motorcycles, it would have saved me many hours of tracking down that dialogue.

 

In conclusion: I am happy with the game, it has made me laugh and forced me to kill a lot of innocent NPC's out of nothing more than pure rage. I have gotten my money's worth out of the game, considering most games are a complete ripoff and fill content by adding trophies that require you to beat the game on 3 different difficulty levels as opposed to just making a lengthy single playthrough of a brilliant game. The game has it's faults, but every game does.

 

I gave up on trying to get online after I had to recreate my character 3 times and went through random hard resets on my PS3. I am in no rush to play with kiddie griefers, so I will wait for the server situation to become more stable before I actually try to get into it. I expect good things but I am realistic that it's just a game made by humans whom at the end of the day have their own best interests at heart. With online not being of major interest to me, there is that part of me that wishes I would have waited for the game to become saturated in used games stores (lowered price) before I bought it.

 

Final Note: About the stock market, I read up on it time and time again. I have done my research. I know which companies are competitiors to others. I know what Rockstar has said and I have read countless "theories" on the matter. I have come to the conclusion that the GTA Community as a whole is split down the middle on this one, with half saying they have seen "some" results from causing chaos in game (LCN Stocks) and half saying there is no change what so ever. I tend to agree with the latter and I suspect a bug fix may be coming soon. As for the BAWSAQ, those stocks may be influenced by other players and may not be, the one way to tell for sure is to compare them to another player, they should match up 100%. I highly doubt Rockstar would ever be able to sync that data, maybe on a "server to server" basis, but deifinitely not for every Social Club member that is free roaming his personal SP world.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read this and feel free to make "CONSTRUCTIVE" critisms or share your own personal experiences and opinions about this cool game from Rockstar. Apologies for the grammatical errors.

Edited October 7, 2013 by rrocks

[TrevorPhilipsInc]

I suspect BAWSAQ aside from the missions Lester tells you to buy/sell on it. Is actually more useful online. If youre trying to use it in SP. Youre probably not going to see much of what you want.

[Chris223]

As far as what you mentioned about cars and the like - my question is WHY can't my character EVER wear a effing seat belt so he doesn't go FLYING down the street losing all his armor and health... and why does something like that remove my ARMOR first (something that costs me $2,500) vs my health which I can regen with a $1 soda. As great a game as it is... R* REALLY f'd up. Just like every other GTA prior... I can plow through a telephone pole with nothing more than a busted headlight on my car but a row of BUSHES in front of a house or building stop my car DEAD and I go flying through the windshield... REALLY?????

[DisposableUnit]

About number 5 (what happened to number 3 btw?), the 100% completion. I found out that on your Socialclub page under the 'Checklist' tab, the thumbnails that have colored bars on the left side of it, are missions/S&F/Misc you need to do for 100% completion.

I'm still working on finishing the story (about to do The Big Score) and I must say that I've really enjoyed this game. To be able to immerse yourself into this wast and beautiful world is just fantastic. There is so much to explore and experience. Also I love having three protagonists to choose from; gives the game more depth and options to play the game as you see fit, in a manner of speaking.
For instance the mission where Trevor and Michael go back to north Yankton to the cemetery, I was playing Trevor and took an airplane and flew over there and when arriving, a cutscene started where Trevor started digging. Later I read on this forum that some people where going to the cemetery as Michael and experienced a different cutscene. So this game has a lot to offer when it comes to replaying the missions in my opinion,

[rrocks]

About number 5 (what happened to number 3 btw?), the 100% completion. I found out that on your Socialclub page under the 'Checklist' tab, the thumbnails that have colored bars on the left side of it, are missions/S&F/Misc you need to do for 100% completion.

 

I'm still working on finishing the story (about to do The Big Score) and I must say that I've really enjoyed this game. To be able to immerse yourself into this wast and beautiful world is just fantastic. There is so much to explore and experience. Also I love having three protagonists to choose from; gives the game more depth and options to play the game as you see fit, in a manner of speaking.

For instance the mission where Trevor and Michael go back to north Yankton to the cemetery, I was playing Trevor and took an airplane and flew over there and when arriving, a cutscene started where Trevor started digging. Later I read on this forum that some people where going to the cemetery as Michael and experienced a different cutscene. So this game has a lot to offer when it comes to replaying the missions in my opinion,

 

I had no clue about the colored bars next to the images. I just checked and confirmed what you said to be true. I wish they would have explained this before I wasted so much time doing boring missions and events in this game.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

You're full of bullsh*t. I made $1.6Billion off the stocks for Michael and for Franklin each to themselves. Read this guide and this guide:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/603606-make-over-2-billion-per-character-easy-mild-spoilers/

http://gtaforums.com/topic/604372-how-to-make-3-billion-dollars/

And that "cars felt like they weighed 10,000lb" is very exaggerated.

Edited October 7, 2013 by StingrayX

[rrocks]

You're full of bullsh*t. I made $1.6Billion off the stocks for Michael and for Franklin each to themselves. Read this guide and this guide:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/603606-make-over-2-billion-per-character-easy-mild-spoilers/

http://gtaforums.com/topic/604372-how-to-make-3-billion-dollars/

And that "cars felt like they weighed 10,000lb" is very exaggerated.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills kiddo. I never said there was not money to be made, sure you can use a "guide" that someone more intelligent than you created to maximize the profits made from the stock market during the assassination missions, I never said you couldn't junior. What I said was that after the fact, there is no money to be made because the stocks don't work for ME (not you, genius). Just like half the people on this very forum (I guess we are all full of bullsh*t) the stocks never change enough to make any real money from them - after you complete the assassination missions. Man dude, you need to learn how to read and understand what people are saying before you start accusing them of being "full of bullsh*t". This response is about the most ignorant thing I have read on these forums, but it was a good for a laugh. The stocks only changing during the assassination missions makes them a mini-game essentially that you must play during those missions...did you even read what I wrote...at all? If not, then why bother to post, for recognition, because you're lonely, sad, depressed...did I tinkle all over your 'favoritest' game in "da hole wyde werld"? Some people...smh.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

You're full of bullsh*t. I made $1.6Billion off the stocks for Michael and for Franklin each to themselves. Read this guide and this guide:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/603606-make-over-2-billion-per-character-easy-mild-spoilers/

http://gtaforums.com/topic/604372-how-to-make-3-billion-dollars/

And that "cars felt like they weighed 10,000lb" is very exaggerated.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills kiddo. I never said there was not money to be made, sure you can use a "guide" that someone more intelligent than you created to maximize the profits made from the stock market during the assassination missions, I never said you couldn't junior. What I said was that after the fact, there is no money to be made because the stocks don't work for ME (not you, genius). Just like half the people on this very forum (I guess we are all full of bullsh*t) the stocks never change enough to make any real money from them - after you complete the assassination missions. Man dude, you need to learn how to read and understand what people are saying before you start accusing them of being "full of bullsh*t". This response is about the most ignorant thing I have read on these forums, but it was a good for a laugh. The stocks only changing during the assassination missions makes them a mini-game essentially that you must play during those missions...did you even read what I wrote...at all? If not, then why bother to post, for recognition, because you're lonely, sad, depressed...did I tinkle all over your 'favoritest' game in "da hole wyde werld"? Some people...smh.

 

You're a moron and your constant intelligence insults aren't really doing anything good for yourself. You're the one who missed out on this great Assassination Missions opportunity so if I were you I'd shut the hell up.

[GapingAngus]

All good points and that makes me sad.

[rrocks]

 

 

You're full of bullsh*t. I made $1.6Billion off the stocks for Michael and for Franklin each to themselves. Read this guide and this guide:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/603606-make-over-2-billion-per-character-easy-mild-spoilers/

http://gtaforums.com/topic/604372-how-to-make-3-billion-dollars/

And that "cars felt like they weighed 10,000lb" is very exaggerated.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills kiddo. I never said there was not money to be made, sure you can use a "guide" that someone more intelligent than you created to maximize the profits made from the stock market during the assassination missions, I never said you couldn't junior. What I said was that after the fact, there is no money to be made because the stocks don't work for ME (not you, genius). Just like half the people on this very forum (I guess we are all full of bullsh*t) the stocks never change enough to make any real money from them - after you complete the assassination missions. Man dude, you need to learn how to read and understand what people are saying before you start accusing them of being "full of bullsh*t". This response is about the most ignorant thing I have read on these forums, but it was a good for a laugh. The stocks only changing during the assassination missions makes them a mini-game essentially that you must play during those missions...did you even read what I wrote...at all? If not, then why bother to post, for recognition, because you're lonely, sad, depressed...did I tinkle all over your 'favoritest' game in "da hole wyde werld"? Some people...smh.

 

You're a moron and your constant intelligence insults aren't really doing anything good for yourself. You're the one who missed out on this great Assassination Missions opportunity so if I were you I'd shut the hell up.

 

Again, you failed to read anything I said. This article has nothing to do with assassination missions or money in general. I already stated that I have plenty of money even by missing out on 2 of the assassination missions -- simply because I don't need someone to hold my hand and "guide" me through the game. The point I made about the stock market is that it's broken, go to search on the forums for stock market and see how many people say it's broken. It only works during the assassination missions, it's not about the money you idiot, it's about a feature in the game that is broken. Man you are one clueless f*ck arent you?

[saintsrow]

All good points and that makes me sad.

 

I agree. The OP's points are right on and I agree with the general conclusion about the way the game has been structured and gameplay (not) balanced. It makes me wonder how much beta testing was done, or whether they just finally had to rush the game out for the sacred 17 September deadline.

 

Nonetheless, the artistic and virtual world design of the game is a masterpiece. The gameplay, however, not up to what we expected from Rockstar.

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

 

 

 

You're full of bullsh*t. I made $1.6Billion off the stocks for Michael and for Franklin each to themselves. Read this guide and this guide:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/603606-make-over-2-billion-per-character-easy-mild-spoilers/

http://gtaforums.com/topic/604372-how-to-make-3-billion-dollars/

And that "cars felt like they weighed 10,000lb" is very exaggerated.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills kiddo. I never said there was not money to be made, sure you can use a "guide" that someone more intelligent than you created to maximize the profits made from the stock market during the assassination missions, I never said you couldn't junior. What I said was that after the fact, there is no money to be made because the stocks don't work for ME (not you, genius). Just like half the people on this very forum (I guess we are all full of bullsh*t) the stocks never change enough to make any real money from them - after you complete the assassination missions. Man dude, you need to learn how to read and understand what people are saying before you start accusing them of being "full of bullsh*t". This response is about the most ignorant thing I have read on these forums, but it was a good for a laugh. The stocks only changing during the assassination missions makes them a mini-game essentially that you must play during those missions...did you even read what I wrote...at all? If not, then why bother to post, for recognition, because you're lonely, sad, depressed...did I tinkle all over your 'favoritest' game in "da hole wyde werld"? Some people...smh.

 

You're a moron and your constant intelligence insults aren't really doing anything good for yourself. You're the one who missed out on this great Assassination Missions opportunity so if I were you I'd shut the hell up.

 

Again, you failed to read anything I said. This article has nothing to do with assassination missions or money in general. I already stated that I have plenty of money even by missing out on 2 of the assassination missions -- simply because I don't need someone to hold my hand and "guide" me through the game. The point I made about the stock market is that it's broken, go to search on the forums for stock market and see how many people say it's broken. It only works during the assassination missions, it's not about the money you idiot, it's about a feature in the game that is broken. Man you are one clueless f*ck arent you?

 

You're also misunderstanding the point I was making in my post. How are you going to bitch about the stock systems when it is basically mission driven anyways? Did you seriously believe those previews stating how blowing up FlyUs jets causes the stock market to be messed with? Haven't you noticed that some of the things previews state are bullsh*t lies? Rockstar never said that blowing up FlyUs jets caused the stock market to change.

 

And anybody with sense knows that FlyUs on 747's are just random liveries that randomly spawn, they don't mean anything. They're no important than a car spawning in a different color. The system isn't that in depth to be influenced by blowing up vehicles with certain liveries, come on think logically. This sh*t doesn't work, never worked, and Rockstar never said it would work. To be hoenst the system is only influenced by missions and the people buying and selling stocks -- notice the Pisswasser thread and how people are controlling it's stock.

 

The system isn't broken, you just had stupid expectations that blowing up a randomly spawned vehicle with a randomly spawned livery would influence the stocks which is stupid...