Real world money Paying your Ingame Bills!?

[OptionalZero]

So we have to pay medical bills and actually pay rent and constant fee for garage mechanic, I understand this mechanic. Don't totally mind it, although personally some prices seems high.

 

But my issue is the potential that Real World cash used to buy GTA$ will inevitably go to paying these constant bills and fees! I don't want little bits of my [real world] money taken to pay rent or to pay my med bills when I feel like getting killed a lot while fighting cops or something.

 

Does anyone know if the cash we buy online is simply dropped in your account? Also if you made the mistake of forgetting to put that in the bank, lets say for whatever reason you have a ton on you, and a player kills you can you lose all your real-world money too? (That seems a little "WarZ'ish")

 

The more I think about these issues the more I think I will never drop real-world cash for this game. Does any one know any answers or have any info on this subject?

 

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Also looking for a "Pinned" on this to keep up the discussion and hopefully bring it to the attention of Rockstar as well as to inform other players of this issue.

Edited October 5, 2013 by OptionalZero

[hewentthatway666]

rockstar know that there are so many losers who actually will buy gta cash with their own money, and they are a business they would be stupid not to take advantage of that fact.

[djim]

Yeah i didn't enjoy hearing that my car mechanic is gonna cost 50 a DAY... hopefully thaats ingame days wile i play but non the less, Makes me feel like i gotta work in a game to pay game bills :\ wtff, Why can't i just buy a piece of trevor industries.

[OptionalZero]

Yea I wasn't intending to spend tons of real money, but I wouldn't mind the boost just for fun. Honestly I've been a GTA fan forever, and was looking forward to "pimping" my char a bit... but not at all if it is going to pay ingame bills in anyway that I can't avoid.

 

Real cash for: Extra car modding, BUYING apartments, new vehicles, clothes, guns... all yes.

" " for: Death Bills (2000$) and ongoing, unavoidable rent (50$ a ingame day) and what ever else we haven't found out yet, is a BIG NO.

 

Especially the rent... I know it's a small amount... but it's could potentially be dripping away a few pennies or real world money every hour you play. I would just like if the Real World portion of your cash Doesn't go to pay these types of bill. It should only pay to purchase items and not to maintain items or pay penalties. Ingame cash for those thing.

[OptionalZero]

Yeah i didn't enjoy hearing that my car mechanic is gonna cost 50 a DAY... hopefully thaats ingame days wile i play but non the less, Makes me feel like i gotta work in a game to pay game bills :\ wtff, Why can't i just buy a piece of trevor industries.

Yeah I would like the chance to buy ingame property or I guess a share of an ingame business to get some regular income. I think that would be fair.

[FrozenInferno]

I'm very interested to know if the $50/day mechanic fee continues even while a player is offline, since technically the world is still continuing while others are still playing it. I'd be pissed if I left the game for a month or more and came back to find all my money went to a mechanic I wasn't even using while I was away.

[Lee Everett]

It doesn't take long to pay those things off. And honestly, if you don't start trouble with people and avoid getting on the same block as them, they won't bother trying to kill you.

 

There will be the occasional that will chase you, but they eventually give up.

[Velcrohead]

$50 a day, really?? How on earth can you moan about that.

 

You can earn $1000 in a minute, and that's enough to cover you for like 20 hours of gameplay. Jesus christ,

[FrozenInferno]

$50 a day, really?? How on earth can you moan about that.

 

You can earn $1000 in a minute, and that's enough to cover you for like 20 hours of gameplay. Jesus christ,

We don't know yet if that means a real life day or an in-game day, which takes less than an hour to cycle through, and we don't know if it continues to deduct the fees when you're not online which is a possibility since the game world continues on without you. You could potentially be spending $700+ per real life day on mechanic fees. Take a few days off from the game and you could come back with thousands gone, take a month off and you could lose upwards of $20,000 in fees that were collected while you were away. I'm not saying that is the case for sure because Rockstar hasn't clarified exactly what a "day" constitutes or if the game persists even while you are away from it. Keep in mind they have already said that your player can lose stats while you're away from the game so money is not out of the question either.

Edited October 5, 2013 by FrozenInferno

[SamuelBenjamin]

$50 of rent is ok. medical bills suck but i just try and avoid them

[Jedi Master Tom]

rockstar know that there are so many losers who actually will buy gta cash with their own money, and they are a business they would be stupid not to take advantage of that fact.

Yea, they would be stupid. But they would also maintain a loyal and massive fan base of dedicated players who actually respect the company and the products they release. Seems to me that Rockstar is starting to slip up when it comes to that, and their greed is beginning to show.

 

Back on topic.

 

This is a very interesting thread. My brother-in-law is planning on buying a very large money pack, which is insane because he has already put so much time and effort into the game even with the server issues. He has an apartment and a ton of money, meanwhile I haven't been able to AT ALL until today after work, when they finally released the title update.

 

I really hope that all the real money people spend on these GTA cash packs does get used to pay fake in-game bills. That's what happens to all the money that you would get just by playing and putting effort into doing jobs. It's what will most likely happen to all the money you will get just because you can afford it in real life. I don't see how the game would differentiate between money earned in game and money bought via the online store.

 

And for the people complaining about these fake bills eating their "real money" up, DONT BUY THE CASH PACKS! You want to spend real money on in-game items, then start a petition and let Rockstar know. I'm sure in enough people really want that, then it would make business sense for them to do something like that.

[OptionalZero]

$50 a day, really?? How on earth can you moan about that.

 

You can earn $1000 in a minute, and that's enough to cover you for like 20 hours of gameplay. Jesus christ,

I am not moaning. Nor am I suggesting that "50$ a day" of ingame money is high. It's more a discussion of the accumulated fee over time, and the potential that the ingame money you have has come from a real-world purchase [with real cash] and that money has the potential to go towards your recurring fees of constant death and to pay the "rent".

 

These "bills" are mostly unavoidable; the rent is not at all. And yes you can limit your deaths, but it's GTA: the mayhem and chaos are part of why we all play... we are going to die. Weather from AI or others. So with these unavoidable deaths (2000$ a pop, until cap is reached) and the ongoing fee, it is possible to play for an extended period without making money ingame, which could potentially lead to these bills being paid with the portion of your ingame money derived from a real-world purchase. Regardless of weather it's a few pennies a day or a few dollars it is still quietly taking real money from you without the option to stop it.

Now if there is something already in place to protect your real-world purchased cash from going to these unavoidable fees, then okay. Discussion ended. But if this does happen, then it needs more attention. And possibly to be corrected, fixed, changed, or the player properly and fairly informed.

 

I think to put the idea simply: Real-world purchased cash should only go towards the purchase of items [property, upgrades, vehicles, etc] and not the payment of bills [medical bills, rent, car repair, and maybe ammo?]

 

I'm trying to have a real discussion about this subject. It may be best not to assume that any subject discussed with concerns raised is done so in a "bitching" way. Sometimes the issues need to actually be talked about. That's all. And I'd rather do this then just post a bunch of "this sucks, f*ck this, I'm quiting... blah blah blah." Some people are trying to talk about things.

[OptionalZero]

(The post from above)

 

" And for the people complaining about these fake bills eating their "real money" up, DONT BUY THE CASH PACKS! You want to spend real money on in-game items, then start a petition and let Rockstar know. I'm sure in enough people really want that, then it would make business sense for them to do something like that."

 

 

That's kind of what this is. The beginning of a discussion about the potential issue. And an effort to let other people know and if something needs to be done.

 

I know you can just not buy it. But honestly I'd like a little to help get a higher apartment sooner. I love GTA, it's one of the few games I pay a little extra for. But not if the left over could be quietly taken from me. As an example: I had 50K yesterday of ingame earned cash. friend hopped on, we screwed around, flying, diving, driving, all the stuff that's not combat, but you still die. You still get in cop battles. We did hit up stores along the way to get some cash. But even casual play away from danger you still die. I ended after a few hours at 32k... so that would be a lot if it was from a real-world purchase. Hence the concern.

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[Mordeth Kai]

 

$50 a day, really?? How on earth can you moan about that.

 

You can earn $1000 in a minute, and that's enough to cover you for like 20 hours of gameplay. Jesus christ,

We don't know yet if that means a real life day or an in-game day, which takes less than an hour to cycle through, and we don't know if it continues to deduct the fees when you're not online which is a possibility since the game world continues on without you. You could potentially be spending $700+ per real life day on mechanic fees. Take a few days off from the game and you could come back with thousands gone, take a month off and you could lose upwards of $20,000 in fees that were collected while you were away. I'm not saying that is the case for sure because Rockstar hasn't clarified exactly what a "day" constitutes or if the game persists even while you are away from it. Keep in mind they have already said that your player can lose stats while you're away from the game so money is not out of the question either.

 

tested and confirmed, looked at my money before logging off and going to bed and I lost a chunk upon waking up. about 1k ish, should have recorded the numbers, feel free to verify for yourself tho.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/614217-rent/ for actual numbers but your looking at 2,400 per real world day for a mechanic and it costs the same amount again for an apartment, apartments come with a garage and you pay for both seperately

Edited October 5, 2013 by Mordeth Kai

[J_Gatsby]

Imagine a day when you can make real world money in-game, until then no point in buying in-game cash. Its really easy to make money in gtaO unless you keep on losing it whenever the cloud goes down.

[OptionalZero]

 

 

$50 a day, really?? How on earth can you moan about that.

 

You can earn $1000 in a minute, and that's enough to cover you for like 20 hours of gameplay. Jesus christ,

We don't know yet if that means a real life day or an in-game day, which takes less than an hour to cycle through, and we don't know if it continues to deduct the fees when you're not online which is a possibility since the game world continues on without you. You could potentially be spending $700+ per real life day on mechanic fees. Take a few days off from the game and you could come back with thousands gone, take a month off and you could lose upwards of $20,000 in fees that were collected while you were away. I'm not saying that is the case for sure because Rockstar hasn't clarified exactly what a "day" constitutes or if the game persists even while you are away from it. Keep in mind they have already said that your player can lose stats while you're away from the game so money is not out of the question either.

 

tested and confirmed, looked at my money before logging off and going to bed and I lost a chunk upon waking up. about 1k ish, should have recorded the numbers, feel free to verify for yourself tho.

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/614217-rent/ for actual numbers but your looking at 2,400 per real world day for a mechanic and it costs the same amount again for an apartment, apartments come with a garage and you pay for both seperately

 

WHOA! sh*t really, so you could end up paying the bills while off line! That is kind of bullsh*t. Honestly I was just scared of basically not being able to play recklessly when I had real-world cash for ingame money. I love you Rockstar, please don't do this or let it be true.

 

THANK YOU for the link and the verification. I'd say this is worth keeping up in the boards.

Keep the bumps coming. Thanks for all the in put you guys!

[Brooksburgh]

too much real life

[ashy152]

They need to make a separate bank/wallet to hold bought money that is free from bills.

[FrozenInferno]

Imagine a day when you can make real world money in-game, until then no point in buying in-game cash. Its really easy to make money in gtaO unless you keep on losing it whenever the cloud goes down.

It's one thing to make money while you're playing, it's when you're offline and NOT playing but your bills are still being deducted that's a problem.

[Hazevamp]

Yeah i didn't enjoy hearing that my car mechanic is gonna cost 50 a DAY... hopefully thaats ingame days wile i play but non the less, Makes me feel like i gotta work in a game to pay game bills :\ wtff, Why can't i just buy a piece of trevor industries.

 

Whoa, you have to pay rent after buying a garage etc?!?! Wow. I was actually going to use IRL cash after losing my character just to catch up fast and get me on the right track sooner but screw that. I have real bills my money can go to, not some damn game rent.

[NothingPersonal]

LOL @ Rockstar essentially taxing people for nothing when they've potentially bought the cash, losing money which they must rebuy to only lose it a second time without any clear benefit (GREAT STRATEGY). You're losing money without a reason but a superficial excuse as 'maintenance'.

 

Hilarious, Rockstar, very hilarious for realism with the taxing aspect, but not the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT element to have the analogy as worthwhile. THANK GOD EA doesn't have the balls for this.

[FrozenInferno]

Can anybody who has lost money while they were offline, and suspects the money went to fees, go onto their in-game phone and check the banking transactions to see if bills are listed in there? I don't have any apartments yet so I can't test this for myself.

[Killerdude]

f*ck me.

I went offline today with like 36$.

[OptionalZero]

They need to make a separate bank/wallet to hold bought money that is free from bills.

Yeah like a "credit" and "cash" option when you buy things. SO one uses ingame cash, the other uses real-world purchased cash. Maybe that would clear the whole issue up.

[OptionalZero]

 

Yeah i didn't enjoy hearing that my car mechanic is gonna cost 50 a DAY... hopefully thaats ingame days wile i play but non the less, Makes me feel like i gotta work in a game to pay game bills :\ wtff, Why can't i just buy a piece of trevor industries.

 

Whoa, you have to pay rent after buying a garage etc?!?! Wow. I was actually going to use IRL cash after losing my character just to catch up fast and get me on the right track sooner but screw that. I have real bills my money can go to, not some damn game rent.

 

Yep, that seems like what we are learning. You accumulate a garage bill while OFF LINE, and you could POTENTIALLY end up paying with GTA$ that you bought with REAL MONEY. Plus onc you get up there in cash in bank account your Medical Bills can be 2000$ a pop!. So even when you are just fooling around and just have accidents you run the risk of also eating into your GTA$(bought with real money).

I see what they are trying to do, and the persistent world. I loke almost all of it, but this issue seems to run the risk of really hurting the online play.

At this point I will never pay realworld cash for GTA$, if it runs the risk of going to pay arbitrary bills that would otherwise not really effect your game play.

[OptionalZero]

f*ck me.

I went offline today with like 36$.

Please let me/us know what happens... I curious if you go into debt or simply lose your garage...

 

Can anybody who has lost money while they were offline, and suspects the money went to fees, go onto their in-game phone and check the banking transactions to see if bills are listed in there? I don't have any apartments yet so I can't test this for myself.

I see what you are asking: If there is a Transaction log of bills accumulated while off line. I will check and try to post later today.

 

Thanks guys, keep the info coming, lets see if we can bring a little more attention to this issue. IN support of making a better game we all can love. Thanks again.

[Killerdude]

No money is lost whilst offline guys.

My 36$ was still 36 when I logged back on today.

No worries.

[OptionalZero]

No money is lost whilst offline guys.

My 36$ was still 36 when I logged back on today.

No worries.

Yeah I tested the same last night. And I don't think I lost nothing while off line.

Although it still leaves the issue of Real Money paying your ingame medical bills.

I like the pressure to survive and avoid the mounting costs, but just don't want real world money(in the form of GTA$) to be used to pay these big bills. Everything else, sure fine... just not the penalty bills.

 

Thanks for getting back to us.

[big prophet]

When you have no money the shut utilities off in apartment and your mechanic refuses to help you. Been like that since day 2 and cant pay bills anywhere. So no computer, tv, or mechanic anymore in 223k apartment

[uptownrockstar]

When you have no money the shut utilities off in apartment and your mechanic refuses to help you. Been like that since day 2 and cant pay bills anywhere. So no computer, tv, or mechanic anymore in 223k apartment

So you don't have the choice to pay now? I think it would be in the give cash, or dynasty 8 section.

 

And how much was your total rent daily