Concerning Grove Street and the Ballas (San andreas Spoiler)

[Dope_0110]

 

By "appearance" i meant as in present as an actual entity in the game or talked about...

 

And again those would be............ in that situation where they.................

 

(HINT: just fill the gaps with your ''proof'')

 

EDIT: Nope, most people were pretty sure that V will be set in the same universe as IV.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Dope_0110

[King Kapone]

 

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

 

You're wrong.

 

Classy. Tell someone they're entitled to their opinion, that you won't judge them, but then judge that they're wrong.

 

Bravo.

Edited October 6, 2013 by King Kapone

[Iroquois]

 

By "appearance" i meant as in present as an actual entity in the game or talked about...

 

And again those would be............ in that situation where they.................

(HINT: just fill the gaps with your ''proof'')

 

EDIT: Nope, most people were pretty sure that V will be set in the same universe as IV.

Umm all the arguements used in this thread fills in those gaps..You illiterate or did you not read the previous 5 pages... as well as in other threads? Edited October 6, 2013 by Iroquois

[TiddleyWinker]

SammiiDoogles

 

There are many references to GTAIII characters and brands (El Burro graffiti in LC for example) in GTAIV, but do any characters (other than Lazlow) actually exist within both 'universes'? Is that where Donald Love went? Did he hop dimensions into the GTAIV universe?! Plot twist!! Are the two universes completely separate? I understand it'd make almost no sense having two Liberty City's but is there any way we'll see characters from GTAIII return? GTAIV has some amazing characters, but some of the characters in the III era are just unforgettable.

Rockstar says:
El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so

no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe.

 

 

EDIT: Fixed up the white text. Source is here - http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/19861/grand-theft-auto-iii-your-questions-answered-part-one-claude-dar.html

 

FIN.

Edited October 6, 2013 by TiddleyWinker

[Jimmy Darmody]

 

 

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

 

You're wrong.

 

Classy. Tell someone they're entitled to their opinion, that you won't judge them, but then judge that they're wrong.

 

Bravo.

 

I think he is wrong but i respect his opinion. Huge difference there. But you're still right because i actually made fun of these " No different universe" guys on previous posts, so yeah, you're 100% right. Either way, and to finnish, yes, i may be a judging unclassy douche in this thread, but that doesn't particulary mean i give a f*ck.

[Dope_0110]

 

 

By "appearance" i meant as in present as an actual entity in the game or talked about...

And again those would be............ in that situation where they.................

(HINT: just fill the gaps with your ''proof'')

 

EDIT: Nope, most people were pretty sure that V will be set in the same universe as IV.

Umm all the arguements used in this thread fills in those gaps..You illiterate or did you not read the previous 5 pages... as well as in other threads?

 

I did read all of them, and nothing really fills the gap, so if you don't mind just imagine I am stupid and repeat that for me once. Name a character that has appeared in person in any of the 3D universe stories, and the reappeared in any of the HD games.

 

Just one character, that's all I'm asking.

[Jimmy Darmody]

 

SammiiDoogles

There are many references to GTAIII characters and brands (El Burro graffiti in LC for example) in GTAIV, but do any characters (other than Lazlow) actually exist within both 'universes'? Is that where Donald Love went? Did he hop dimensions into the GTAIV universe?! Plot twist!! Are the two universes completely separate? I understand it'd make almost no sense having two Liberty City's but is there any way we'll see characters from GTAIII return? GTAIV has some amazing characters, but some of the characters in the III era are just unforgettable.

 

Rockstar says:

El Burro is referenced as he was also referenced in GTA 1, so it felt appropriate that he should cross “universes” – the “universes” are the worlds interpreted at different definitions, 2d, 3d and high definition, so we felt brands and radio / back ground characters would exist in both, but 3 dimensional characters would not. This is the logic (as far as it could be considered logical) behind it – so no, we don’t believe any GTA3 characters could exist in the GTA4 universe.

 

 

Thanks TidleyWinker.

 

Anyone, after reading this, believe what you want. The chips are on the table. It's up to you if you want to convince yourself universes are bullsh*t. But the final word is up for everybody to see. That's all.

[King Kapone]

Same guy.

Oh and by the way, here he is breaking the fourth wall IRL:

[Vercetti27]

ballas made a killing building a drugs empire in which the stupidly idealistic grove boys didn't want to join, they made more money, had more influence, recruited more member and turfed those green pussies out.

[TiddleyWinker]

PIC1.jpg

 

PIC2.jpg

 

Same guy.

 

Oh and by the way, here he is breaking the fourth wall IRL:

 

PIC3.jpg

 

 

First one isn't Lazlow... it's a cover for Lazlow presents V rock, the artwork is of a famous musician, likely one of the band members of "Love Fist", my guess Jezz.

 

Second one is Lazlow, but first time he's appeared as an in game, 3D model character.

 

Though again, Lazlow is the exception not the rule.

 

EDIT: Actually, that artwork could be of Lazlow? I dunno. Doesn't look like him in real life at all... regardless, he's the exceptions like the other radio presenters.

Edited October 6, 2013 by TiddleyWinker

[King Kapone]

 

PIC1.jpg

 

PIC2.jpg

 

Same guy.

 

Oh and by the way, here he is breaking the fourth wall IRL:

 

PIC3.jpg

 

 

First one isn't Lazlow... it's a cover for Lazlow presents V rock, the artwork is of a famous musician, likely one of the band members of "Love Fist", my guess Jezz.

 

Second one is Lazlow, but first time he's appeared as an in game, 3D model character.

 

Though again, Lazlow is the exception not the rule.

 

Actually, sir, the first one IS the concept artwork for Lazlow. It has absolutely nothing to do with Love Fist. All of the Vice City radio soundtrack covers featured the DJ from the radio show.

 

You may grab a complimentary donut and cup of coffee from the cafeteria.

[TiddleyWinker]

Point still stands

[redman]

Rockstar has already established that there are different universes. Why are we ddebating this. This has been done many times with movies books and tv shows and nobody has a problem comprehending those things but when Rockstar does it people just dont want to acknowledge it

[gnrdeth13]

 

No ones disputing GTA III, VC and SA are connect, they are connected, they are in the same universe, they make up the 3D universe.

Gta IV + expansions and GTA V are connected to each other in the same universe but are a separate universe to that of the 3D era/universe. They're the HD universe.

 

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. In that case, I don't see many connections from the 3D side to the HD, other than Grove St in GTAV looking pretty similar to GTASA. I can easily see how that cul de sac could've changed over the years and become the variant we see in V. But, that's about it. I honestly don't remember SA's landscape enough to make any other contrasts/comparisons, other than it seems like SA's world was much bigger than V's.

[kj2022]

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

When was Niko in GTA V? I've heard him referenced, but he's never had a cameo in my game...

[Vice Beach]

Willy, a member of Love Fist, appears in GTA V. The members of the band Love Fist also appeared in Vice City. Though I think Willy was the one member not seen in the cut scene with the rest of the members, though he is heard speaking inside of the limo that's rigged with a bomb. So I'm guessing R* deliberately chose him to avoid making a character that appeared in the 3d era in HD.

[omer19992010]

 

 

 

that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?!

 

and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?!

Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF.

 

And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game.

 

sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend?

but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang!

and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie!

 

trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES!

 

Still though, Franklin is not a Families gang member, He is just involved with them through Lamar.

 

Didn't Franklin before the Start of the game used to be a Families gang Member?

[nekkidhillbilly]

Rockstar has already established that there are different universes. Why are we ddebating this. This has been done many times with movies books and tv shows and nobody has a problem comprehending those things but when Rockstar does it people just dont want to acknowledge it

 

i understand it find but...................................it makes no sense in rockstars case. cj claude tommy arent in the game but they are referenced. when its a different universe and they dont exist why are they referenced. thats the stupid part. rockstar basically wanted to distance themselves from the corniness of the 3d games with the hd which i understand but if your going to do that why have pictures of them or the names wrote on a wall. easter eggs i know what everyone will say. cant have easter eggs without easter either. r* really dont think things through to well.

[Dope_0110]

 

Rockstar has already established that there are different universes. Why are we ddebating this. This has been done many times with movies books and tv shows and nobody has a problem comprehending those things but when Rockstar does it people just dont want to acknowledge it

 

i understand it find but...................................it makes no sense in rockstars case. cj claude tommy arent in the game but they are referenced. when its a different universe and they dont exist why are they referenced. thats the stupid part. rockstar basically wanted to distance themselves from the corniness of the 3d games with the hd which i understand but if your going to do that why have pictures of them or the names wrote on a wall. easter eggs i know what everyone will say. cant have easter eggs without easter either. r* really dont think things through to well.

 

It's normal to reference their previous work. It is an easter egg and it also serves as a nice reminder for those of us who have played the previous games.

 

When a new GTA player sees a guy who looks like CJ on a billboard, or sees a graffiti with those names it means nothing to him. But to an older player it is a nice nod to the past that will remind them of good times. People should just stop taking it too seriously, it's there for the player, not to serve any purpose in the actual story and therefore has nothing to do with events taking place in a current GTA game.

[nekkidhillbilly]

or it confuses the f*ck out of them. case and point. its stupid and shouldnt be in this universe but everybody that loves rockstar will be like nnnnnnnnoooo. and for the record cj wason tv in gta4 and it was the 3d universe on tv. again it makes no sense to say that didnt happen if your going to bring it up every time you turn around. its not that its hard to understand just done sh*tty.

[Dope_0110]

or it confuses the f*ck out of them. case and point. its stupid and shouldnt be in this universe but everybody that loves rockstar will be like nnnnnnnnoooo. and for the record cj wason tv in gta4 and it was the 3d universe on tv. again it makes no sense to say that didnt happen if your going to bring it up every time you turn around. its not that its hard to understand just done sh*tty.

They used footage from GTA SA because they had no HD version of the city to record the footage. Those things don't confuse anyone smart enough to differentiate between the story cannon and everything else that a GTA game offers.

 

In the story cannon some of the characters don't really like killing and would never go on a rampage. Yet the player is allowed to do anything they want. It's simple, the story is there and it is official, everything else is thrown in for the player to have fun and does not belong in the actual story cannon.

[Oso Flocka Flame]

get over gta san andreas for f*ck sake

[nekkidhillbilly]

 

or it confuses the f*ck out of them. case and point. its stupid and shouldnt be in this universe but everybody that loves rockstar will be like nnnnnnnnoooo. and for the record cj wason tv in gta4 and it was the 3d universe on tv. again it makes no sense to say that didnt happen if your going to bring it up every time you turn around. its not that its hard to understand just done sh*tty.

They used footage from GTA SA because they had no HD version of the city to record the footage. Those things don't confuse anyone smart enough to differentiate between the story cannon and everything else that a GTA game offers.

 

In the story cannon some of the characters don't really like killing and would never go on a rampage. Yet the player is allowed to do anything they want. It's simple, the story is there and it is official, everything else is thrown in for the player to have fun and does not belong in the actual story cannon.

 

 

i dont care why they did it and genius cannot figure out rockstars logic. this never existed in this world but i have a picture of it on my wall. i hated gta sa personally and i wish this sh*t wasnt in the new game at all. game is all fiction anyhow so its not like it matters but it sure doesnt help the immersion of realism.

[gnrdeth13]

 

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

When was Niko in GTA V? I've heard him referenced, but he's never had a cameo in my game...

 

 

Same here. I've heard talk of him, but never seen him or any others from IV show up

[nekkidhillbilly]

 

 

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

When was Niko in GTA V? I've heard him referenced, but he's never had a cameo in my game...

 

 

Same here. I've heard talk of him, but never seen him or any others from IV show up

 

uhhh theres 2 characters that show up from 4 that are quite major.

[nekkidhillbilly]

actually 4 now that i think about it. one is even a playable character one has a little niko in them or at least had.

[Bonnano]

 

There definitely is a line where there are different universes, most notable is Liberty City from III to IV. Where did Shoreside Vale go? Where did those giant cliffs go? Why did the airport magically flip sides? Why did everything get renamed? Where the f*ck did Happiness Island come from? The universe thing is Rockstar's explanation, there's no denying that.

 

But that doesn't stop people from using their imagination to picture things, and there's nothing wrong with that.

This can be explained fairly easily.

 

My theory:

In IV, in the 7 years after we last saw LC (GTA 3), a large financial boom in the city took place that caused many businesses to open. The city had so much cash that they did alot of stuff. Francis International was bought out buy a new airline and was placed over in what was portland. Eventually, the city became so much bigger that the islands were renamed.

 

Also, Happiness Island and Bohan were created by man. Remember that in real life NYC, a large part of manhattan was created next to the world trade center in the early 80`s called battery park city which houses the World Financial Center. This is how that can be explained.

 

I believe its the same universe, just lots of things happened in 7 years. Its possible.

 

 

Also, its possible we are seeing this from the wrong view. Flip the GTA map the other way and see that we could be looking at the islands all wrong. This is how it could be:

 

Portland being alderney city would make sense as its industrial.

Staunton being Algonquin makes sense as its the middle and is the commercial area.

Dukes/Broker is Shoreside and that makes sense. Its residential, has an airport, etc.

Bohan can be explained by either that the city reclaimed land, or a chunk of shoreside broke off.

 

My sides... you think all this happened in a timespan from 2001 to 2008? You made my day.

[gnrdeth13]

 

 

 

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

When was Niko in GTA V? I've heard him referenced, but he's never had a cameo in my game...

 

 

Same here. I've heard talk of him, but never seen him or any others from IV show up

 

uhhh theres 2 characters that show up from 4 that are quite major.

 

 

I guess I haven't got that far yet. I lost over a week's worth of playing due to the 43.3% loading story mode glitch.

[alamo sea]

sry

Edited October 6, 2013 by alamo sea

[mrrightt]

 

thats f*ckin weird bro.

 

AzEdit™ › Why on earth would you quote such a post? You're making my job much harder.