Concerning Grove Street and the Ballas (San andreas Spoiler)

[jarriix]

Lots of wanna be gangsta children here I see.

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

 

 

 

 

 

that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?!

 

and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?!

Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF.

 

And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game.

 

sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend?

but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang!

and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie!

 

trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES!

You are aware that this is an English speaking forum right?

 

the f*ck you mean this a english speaking forum? i know that.. i been speaking english motherf*cker

Just wait until I find a decent "Illiterate ghetto trash" translator online so I know what you're saying.

[mrrightt]

 

 

 

 

 

that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?!

 

and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?!

Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF.

 

And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game.

 

sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend?

but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang!

and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie!

 

trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES!

You are aware that this is an English speaking forum right?

 

the f*ck you mean this a english speaking forum? i know that.. i been speaking english motherf*cker

Just wait until I find a decent "Illiterate ghetto trash" translator online so I know what you're saying.

man just shut up.. im talkin normal.. and tell me which bits you dont understand and i will tell you

[Uhwoahnohuh]

 

 

 

 

 

that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?!

 

and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?!

Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF.

 

And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game.

 

sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend?

but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang!

and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie!

 

trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES!

You are aware that this is an English speaking forum right?

 

the f*ck you mean this a english speaking forum? i know that.. i been speaking english motherf*cker

Just wait until I find a decent "Illiterate ghetto trash" translator online so I know what you're saying.

 

What, So everyone in the whole entire world is required to speak in your Grammar??? Apparently Every person in the world comes from rich parents and college given to them

[Murray Bunyan]

You forgot that at the end of the game, Grove St. was once again Families turf. But, yeah, things have changed now.

[Marty892]

I made something for those who still don't get it.....

 

Here's how 2013's Los Santos in GTA V would look like if CJ and others from 3d era could exist :

 

 

And how HD Los Santos looked in 1992:

 

 

See? No CJ and other things from SA.....

 

It's just for show, some buildings should be missing/added, but overall, in geographical way they would be the same.

 

I'm not saying that gangs and all that stuff didn't happen in HD world, It's just that, it has nothing to do with old SA and GTA III/VC characters. They never born in this universe and every event related to them never happen. Both games have Los Santos that are based on LA, its the only thing that connects them. Comparing SA to V is like comparing two different movies with two different stories that are not related in any way.

Maybe in HD 1992 there was someone similar to CJ who ran whole Grove St gang, but definitely not him and not his crew. These guys belongs to 3d era, you can't change it.

I cant explain it any better.....thats so simple and some of you still can't understand it.

 

[Uhwoahnohuh]

You forgot that at the end of the game, Grove St. was once again Families turf. But, yeah, things have changed now.

Yeah, it was along with pretty much all of los santos, But my theory was that They were kind of wrapping up Grove street, I mean They must have been haunted by their mom's death you know, and The garage in San fierro and Las Venturas Casino Was a great way to take that off of the siblings' minds

 

And post above me, This isnt the topic for universes, This is a free topic, Free from the barriers and "human logic" I Bought SA, and I also bought Gta V, so I can choose By my own gameplay SA happened, YES within Gta V's world, But it was remodeled.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Uhwoahnohuh

[CloudHigh]

 

 

 

 

San Andreas and GTA V are on separate canons. The only things to carry over are city names, product brands, and some select radio personalities.

 

Let us have our fun you f*cking dickhead.

 

You can have your fun, but that doesn't change facts, prick.

 

f*ck u and ur bullsh*t

 

It's not bullsh*t if it's true.

 

And Rockstar isn't capable of lying? Didn't they also say no characters of IV would be in game... Then Packie, Johnny, and Niko all made cameos....

[Uhwoahnohuh]

 

 

 

 

 

San Andreas and GTA V are on separate canons. The only things to carry over are city names, product brands, and some select radio personalities.

Let us have our fun you f*cking dickhead.

You can have your fun, but that doesn't change facts, prick.

f*ck u and ur bullsh*t

It's not bullsh*t if it's true.

And Rockstar isn't capable of lying? Didn't they also say no characters of IV would be in game... Then Packie, Johnny, and Niko all made cameos....

 

Yep, It seems like A whole group of people base their GTA experience off of like one statement rockstar made back in like 2006, Its rediculous. Yes I think I spelled that wrong, I dont need these "Smart Logical" people's Grammar.....Aint Dat Nice.......

[kj2022]

I'm sure I heard Lamar mention somewhere that the old GSF members moved to Suburbia. I might have just been hanging out with Lamar at the time.

[Algonquin Assassin]

IMO the GTA games are all spiritually connected. Unless there's a direct connection like GTA IV and GTA V where infact events/characters from GTA IV are heavily referred to in GTA V.

 

GTA V and SA (for example) is a bit like Batman Begins is to Batman (Tim Burton). You have two Gotham Cities, but they're not the same place.

 

I guess it leaves room for the imagination, but that's my take on it. Grove Street in GTA V isn't the same place as Grove Street in SA. There's a spiritual connection, but no direct one.

[zzmorg82]

Here's my 2 cents on the issue:

 

GTA SA and GTA V are in different universes, simple as that. All of these post saying how Mt Chilliad deteriorated and rebuild-ed itself from SA is beyond my understanding. It takes ALOT more than 21 years for a mountain to form. As for the other post saying how SF and LV combined to make the upper part of Blaine County; if that were the case, then Blaine county would be full of high-life casinos and buildings, not full of desert.

[Jimmy Darmody]

 

 

There definitely is a line where there are different universes, most notable is Liberty City from III to IV. Where did Shoreside Vale go? Where did those giant cliffs go? Why did the airport magically flip sides? Why did everything get renamed? Where the f*ck did Happiness Island come from? The universe thing is Rockstar's explanation, there's no denying that.

 

But that doesn't stop people from using their imagination to picture things, and there's nothing wrong with that.

This can be explained fairly easily.

 

My theory:

In IV, in the 7 years after we last saw LC (GTA 3), a large financial boom in the city took place that caused many businesses to open. The city had so much cash that they did alot of stuff. Francis International was bought out buy a new airline and was placed over in what was portland. Eventually, the city became so much bigger that the islands were renamed.

 

Also, Happiness Island and Bohan were created by man. Remember that in real life NYC, a large part of manhattan was created next to the world trade center in the early 80`s called battery park city which houses the World Financial Center. This is how that can be explained.

 

I believe its the same universe, just lots of things happened in 7 years. Its possible.

 

 

Also, its possible we are seeing this from the wrong view. Flip the GTA map the other way and see that we could be looking at the islands all wrong. This is how it could be:

 

Portland being alderney city would make sense as its industrial.

Staunton being Algonquin makes sense as its the middle and is the commercial area.

Dukes/Broker is Shoreside and that makes sense. Its residential, has an airport, etc.

Bohan can be explained by either that the city reclaimed land, or a chunk of shoreside broke off.

 

The lengths some people will go to, not to admit they are wrong, is simply staggering. "A large financial boom", "they did a lot of stuff", that's your explanation? So I'm guessing San Andreas had an even bigger financial boom & managed to demolish, re-landscape & rebuild an entire state in 20 years. Ok. Caseclosed indeed.

 

At least you attempted to explain this ludicrous anomoly between this generation's & last generation's GTA's, even though you looked a fool in the process.

 

Please carry on trying to link the two, as it's comedy gold watching you lot do so.

 

Bro, wtf you talking about, bro??????? It's all there, bro!!!!!! Mt Chilliad used to be west of LS but there was a earthquake that made the terrain go to the north, the alliens did it... We know this because there are alliens in the game, so no proof otherwise!!!!!!!!!! And the garage at CJ's house???? It's all there!!!! That's a solid argument it's the same universe, even tho the fact that the rest of the street looks intrely different suddenly loses all it's strenght to actually disprove my beliefs because i'm under confirmation bias.

 

And CJ is Franklin soonnnn. Same voice!!! (lol)!!!!! Shut up!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!! Universes are wrong, f*ck cockstar and waht they said, i'm the one who's right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I keep a dildo on my drawer named CJ and i use it to cope with my anxiety issues! If you insinuate the Love of my life never existed i'll tell daddy!

[Uhwoahnohuh]

I'm sure I heard Lamar mention somewhere that the old GSF members moved to Suburbia. I might have just been hanging out with Lamar at the time.

I Heard the same conversation, Lamar said they were either dead or yeah what you said moved to suburbia, It was a mission to my memory

 

 

I dont want to repost, But Really, The point for this topic was never to talk about universes in the first place,

Edited October 6, 2013 by Uhwoahnohuh

[nekkidhillbilly]

I made something for those who still don't get it.....

 

Here's how 2013's Los Santos in GTA V would look like if CJ and others from 3d era could exist :

 

 

And how HD Los Santos looked in 1992:

 

 

See? No CJ and other things from SA.....

 

It's just for show, some buildings should be missing/added, but overall, in geographical way they would be the same.

 

I'm not saying that gangs and all that stuff didn't happen in HD world, It's just that, it has nothing to do with old SA and GTA III/VC characters. They never born in this universe and every event related to them never happen. Both games have Los Santos that are based on LA, its the only thing that connects them. Comparing SA to V is like comparing two different movies with two different stories that are not related in any way.

Maybe in HD 1992 there was someone similar to CJ who ran whole Grove St gang, but definitely not him and not his crew. These guys belongs to 3d era, you can't change it.

I cant explain it any better.....thats so simple and some of you still can't understand it.

 

yet the johnsons are mentioned in the game and other characters exist from the old game. R* never makes any sense at all. cj did exist in 4 even though he was not supposed watch tv in 4. its f*cked.

[Uhwoahnohuh]

 

I made something for those who still don't get it.....

 

Here's how 2013's Los Santos in GTA V would look like if CJ and others from 3d era could exist :

 

 

And how HD Los Santos looked in 1992:

 

 

See? No CJ and other things from SA.....

 

It's just for show, some buildings should be missing/added, but overall, in geographical way they would be the same.

 

I'm not saying that gangs and all that stuff didn't happen in HD world, It's just that, it has nothing to do with old SA and GTA III/VC characters. They never born in this universe and every event related to them never happen. Both games have Los Santos that are based on LA, its the only thing that connects them. Comparing SA to V is like comparing two different movies with two different stories that are not related in any way.

Maybe in HD 1992 there was someone similar to CJ who ran whole Grove St gang, but definitely not him and not his crew. These guys belongs to 3d era, you can't change it.

I cant explain it any better.....thats so simple and some of you still can't understand it.

 

yet the johnsons are mentioned in the game and other characters exist from the old game. R* never makes any sense at all. cj did exist in 4 even though he was not supposed watch tv in 4. its f*cked.

 

Well rockstar goes with their own flow, If they say something, and they blow it off and do something nobody expects from them, Well, They're Rockstar games. they made the games, Its not like there's some force in the world stopping Older GTA games from being mentioned or even in contact with the newer games

[daggerbomb]

im back motherf*ckers

[nekkidhillbilly]

i agree with you im just saying this person cant exist its different universe is utter bullsh*t. its more like the evil dead 1 and 2 both stories happened but the set/universe and even the continuity is all f*cked up.

[Jimmy Darmody]

And here's my side of the story to what happent to CJ:

-Sweet got killed in a drive-by from the Ballas who now targeted Sweets and CJ's head, about 1 year after the game finnished. In a attempt to retaliate CJ gets deep into Ballas turf but it was a trap, because the police division loyal to Tenpenny caughts CJ for revenge and extorsion. CJ is now in prison with fellow grove street gang mebers, where he serves a life sentence.

- Wu Zi travells to Liberty City to make peace with Leone for robbing his casino but is killed ina trap by Tony Cipriani.

- Grove street is now leaderless and starts having internal disputes between who's the leader and dealing hard drugs or not. Eventually the gang fells apart and Grove street is extinct.

- New gangs arrive in Los Santos. Mainly Hispanic gangs. Grove street turf is all taken over. The Ballas get reduced to a small turf and stop being hardcore gangster, focusing on gangsterism as a lifestyle. The war in Los Santos is focused between Vagos and other mexican and salvodorian gangs.

- Despite gangwar, the police also controls a lot of turf now, and gang warfare happens more in ganton, las colinas, and south and east los santos.

- Madd Dogg gets overdoses during a world tour and dies.

[nekkidhillbilly]

candy suxx? she gets old

[gnrdeth13]

I really don't care one way or the other, but I'm inclined to think all the GTA games are connected. There's too many references to each game, and in some cases characters from older games appear in later ones.

 

Some of the things off the top of my head that heavily point toward all the games being intertwined in some way, take them for what you will:

 

GTAIII: On the Chatterbox radio station, Lazlow returns from break and introduces himself as the host, and says "because I got kicked off the rock station."

GTAVC is set in the past, and Lazlow is the DJ on V-Rock Radio.

 

GTAIII: Donald Love is a powerful man who owns a radio network and you do missions for him late in the game.

GTAVC: We see Donald Love as a young, naive guy breaking into the business.

 

GTASA has a cameo from the main character from GTAIII in what looks to be a prelude to the opening events of GTAIII.

 

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

I'm not sure where Salvatore and Tony Cipriani come into play as far as SA is concerned, but if they are there, there's that. (SA is the one GTA game I never cared to finish)

 

As far as whether or not GTAV and SA are connected -- the game developers are always inserting new ideas into the world you see. Just because the bridge isn't running over the entrance to Grove St and one of the houses are missing doesn't necessarily mean it's a different universe. The devs either forgot certain elements from the old game design or just decided to make a couple changes. Every detail that's different doesn't need an explanation, as a lot can happen in 20 years. The city I live in looks different now compared to 20 years ago. Pretty sure I'm still in the same universe I was then, but I don't live in the same place (i.e. CJ and his family).

[killahmatic]

 

I believe its the same universe, just lots of things happened in 7 years. Its possible.

 

 

No, its not possible. not by a long shot. Not in 7 years. Hell, those changes would take thousands of years because land doesn't grow and change shape that fast. You just WANT the universes to be the same so you're making up ridiculous excuses.

[TiddleyWinker]

I really don't care one way or the other, but I'm inclined to think all the GTA games are connected. There's too many references to each game, and in some cases characters from older games appear in later ones.

 

Some of the things off the top of my head that heavily point toward all the games being intertwined in some way, take them for what you will:

 

GTAIII: On the Chatterbox radio station, Lazlow returns from break and introduces himself as the host, and says "because I got kicked off the rock station."

GTAVC is set in the past, and Lazlow is the DJ on V-Rock Radio.

 

GTAIII: Donald Love is a powerful man who owns a radio network and you do missions for him late in the game.

GTAVC: We see Donald Love as a young, naive guy breaking into the business.

 

GTASA has a cameo from the main character from GTAIII in what looks to be a prelude to the opening events of GTAIII.

 

GTAV: Niko from GTAIV is referenced by Lester during one of prep missions leading up to the first heist. Lesters says something to the effect of "there was an Eastern European operating in Liberty City, but he went quietly." Someone in this thread from earlier said Packie, Johnny, and Niko all make cameos in GTAV. I haven't completed the Story Mode yet so I have to yet to see this myself, but if so, that is a major connection.

 

I'm not sure where Salvatore and Tony Cipriani come into play as far as SA is concerned, but if they are there, there's that. (SA is the one GTA game I never cared to finish)

 

As far as whether or not GTAV and SA are connected -- the game developers are always inserting new ideas into the world you see. Just because the bridge isn't running over the entrance to Grove St and one of the houses are missing doesn't necessarily mean it's a different universe. The devs either forgot certain elements from the old game design or just decided to make a couple changes. Every detail that's different doesn't need an explanation, as a lot can happen in 20 years. The city I live in looks different now compared to 20 years ago. Pretty sure I'm still in the same universe I was then, but I don't live in the same place (i.e. CJ and his family).

 

No ones disputing GTA III, VC and SA are connect, they are connected, they are in the same universe, they make up the 3D universe.

Gta IV + expansions and GTA V are connected to each other in the same universe but are a separate universe to that of the 3D era/universe. They're the HD universe.

 

As for your second part trying to link the 3D unvierse to that of the HD universe, no. Cities do change over time, but not so drastically. Ip-dip-do, they are not the same universe.

[Dope_0110]

It's one thing to make a thread and name it ''fan fiction'' and come up with theories. But to actually argue about them being in the same cannon??? Some of you really can't come to accept the fact that GTA games have rebooted the story when IV came out and that nothing that happened in III, VC, SA, LCS and VCS matters any more in these new games.

It's not the end of the world for f*cks sake. Just accept the fact that THE CREATORS OF THE GAME DECIDED TO REBOOT IT and move on.

It's clear why they had to reboot, it makes much more sense than explaining how can a city grow ten times it's size in 7 years and completely change it's layout. Also, they didn't have to explain what happened to any previous character and had a clean state to make new stories in a new setting.

If your don't get that than I feel really sorry for you.

[Iroquois]

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Iroquois

[Jimmy Darmody]

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

 

You're wrong.

[sm1thy17396]

GTA: SA was in a different Universe to V. So in V there is no Sweet, CJ and Big Smoke. So applying that they're the same is stupid.

[Iroquois]

 

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

 

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

You're wrong.

So after all character appearances from previous gtas in V isnt good enough for you. I mean if you argue IV is in same universe as V ( which is also correct), IV has ties with SA and VC as well. So anything thats in same universe with IV also has to be part of the same universe with V.

I notice that ppl like you continue to bend the facts in order to try to win a debate. Too much semantics. Face it, you lost. You have very little evidence to back up your arguement..

Edited October 6, 2013 by Iroquois

[Dope_0110]

 

 

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

You're wrong.

So after all character appearances from previous gtas in V isnt good enough for you. I mean if you argue IV is in same universe as V ( which is also correct), IV has ties with SA and VC as well. So anything thats in same universe with IV also has to be part of the same universe with V.

I notice that ppl like you continue to bend the facts in order to try to win a debate. Too much semantics. Face it, you lost. You have very little evidence to back up your arguement..

 

How exactly are any previous GTA's connected to IV?

 

Keep in mind that everyone knows III, VC, SA, LCS and VCS are one connected universe. and IV + EFLC and V are also their own connected universe.

 

Also keep in mind Lazlow doesn't count as he's a running gag, and CJ lookalike appearance on billboard is a simple Easter egg.

 

With all that in mind, please do explain how are they exactly connected? Which character has appeared in person in any 3D universe game and reappeared again in person, or was directly mentioned as part of the story in HD universe?

[Iroquois]

 

 

 

Let me clear up the confusion, the actual in-game didnt experience any inn game changes. R* simply remade SA in V. Same exact location and universe but expanded upon and some details changed.

 

Believe whatever you want, i ain't judging you, but keep on thing in mind:

You're wrong.

So after all character appearances from previous gtas in V isnt good enough for you. I mean if you argue IV is in same universe as V ( which is also correct), IV has ties with SA and VC as well. So anything thats in same universe with IV also has to be part of the same universe with V.

I notice that ppl like you continue to bend the facts in order to try to win a debate. Too much semantics. Face it, you lost. You have very little evidence to back up your arguement..

 

How exactly are any previous GTA's connected to IV?

Keep in mind that everyone knows III, VC, SA, LCS and VCS are one connected universe. and IV + EFLC and V are also their own connected universe.

Also keep in mind Lazlow doesn't count as he's a running gag, and CJ lookalike appearance on billboard is a simple Easter egg.

With all that in mind, please do explain how are they exactly connected? Which character has appeared in person in any 3D universe game and

reappeared again in person, or was directly mentioned as part of the story in HD universe?

By "appearance" i meant as in present as an actual entity in the game or talked about...

 

Need i remind you a couple of months before V was released, you "canon" guys were 100% sure V will be in a different universe than IV. Look how much your arguements have changed. This was also same exact dilemma with SA VC and III. Same arguements existed 10 years ago as well..You were proven wrong then too...

Edited October 6, 2013 by Iroquois