carmelo3 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. Franklin didnt build up the families, he's not even a high ranking member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagleheart Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 As others I'm sure have pointed out they ARE different universes. For example no Chamberlain Hills or Forum Drive in SA. I'm sure R* wanted to mix things up for the return to Los Santos changing that home feeling Ganton gave you for the outsider feeling of Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperjack Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 gsf green flag In the mission Hood Safari Franklin and Lamar were talking about how Grove Street used to be Famillies Turf. This confused me a lot, to me this is not the same Grove Street from GTA San Andreas. This is a whole different world, theres no bridge before you go into it, The Johnson House is not there, it's a completely whole different Grove street which has probably been a purple hood for many years. When Lamar does mention Families, he doesn't mention Sweet, CJ or anybody, he just said something along the lines of "Grove was a Families turf a long time ago". This can mean many things, this could mean a Families gang could have operated from Grove Street in the 1960s or 1970s! Or maybe at 1 point every black gang in South LS wore green, & then as years went by the Families had internal problems within each set & 1 side decided to wear purple, just like the real life bloods & crips. 60s and 70s? For these types of gangs? bahahahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboultr Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 JUST WATCH THIS COMPARISON FOR THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BOTH LOS SANTOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iroquois Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I truly despise those who say it isnt part of the same "universe" I also hate those who use the word canon. A lot of these who dont believe SA, VC, IV is part of V should go play the game some more.....you'll find even more references... Just now on social club, someone posted a pic of OG LOC's star of fame (in V) in front of the chinese hollywood theatre. HOW could OG LOC's presence be in V if it's not "canon"???? It's inconcievable. Of course, SA, VC, IV and V are part of the same universe. Maybe even III as well. Im thinking those who say it is NOT canon are those religious types of ppl who when you tell them that god is fictitious or you use facts to provide the truth, they continue to stick to their original fairytales. "GTA 5 Los Santos is nothing but a bigger version of GTA SA Los Santos with better graphics. " You forgot the part when LS and SF vanished from the world. Umm.. it hasnt vanished.....who the hell said it was missing? It's still present in V's SA but is only focusing on 1 city: LS and not on all 3 at the same time. Oh im sorry, I forgot that between 3 large citiies there is exrememly short distances between them....(sarcasm)......If you did not pick up on it already, R* was going for realism in creating an environment. They wouldnt of made 3 cities close to 1 another separated by thin slivers of rivers.... As i think of it now, your absolutely right, Los angeles, las vegas and san franscicso are side by side in real life.....facepalm You're not a very smart individual, are you? Do you idiots not understand that ideas develop and revise overtime? The 3D and HD universal differentiation is not some fan fiction ideology. It's FACT. Are there parallels? Yes. But anything seen in the HD games that were seen in the 3D universe should be looked at as influences above all else. Think of it like a director and his/her filmography. Are similar shot executions, actors, crew members, plotting techniques apparent? Of course, but does that mean all of their films exist on identical plains of fiction? Feel free to connect the oh-so-cryptic dots. GTA IV isn't called GTA VI for a reason. Oh wow...you guys are extremely naive...i dont know if you guys are serious or not.....GTA V is called GTA V because its the next 1 in the series, nothing special about it. Now i noticed how you all try to like change your minds when their is an influx of facts.... I had a whole long arguement planned but I see you've edited your post which would of been your downfall, and its also not worth it. As long as we can go on and never call V canon or not, i think we should stop this childish behavoir. Agree to disagree? Mods lock this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigidia Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 sometimes I have feeling all gta in liberty city and gta in los santos has been made by 2 differnents studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaCtiCaLTommy Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 They aren't there anymore because there is no federal tax on income earned in the game.....so who would pay for them to live there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieleng Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) There definitely is a line where there are different universes, most notable is Liberty City from III to IV. Where did Shoreside Vale go? Where did those giant cliffs go? Why did the airport magically flip sides? Why did everything get renamed? Where the f*ck did Happiness Island come from? The universe thing is Rockstar's explanation, there's no denying that. But that doesn't stop people from using their imagination to picture things, and there's nothing wrong with that. This can be explained fairly easily. My theory: In IV, in the 7 years after we last saw LC (GTA 3), a large financial boom in the city took place that caused many businesses to open. The city had so much cash that they did alot of stuff. Francis International was bought out buy a new airline and was placed over in what was portland. Eventually, the city became so much bigger that the islands were renamed. Also, Happiness Island and Bohan were created by man. Remember that in real life NYC, a large part of manhattan was created next to the world trade center in the early 80`s called battery park city which houses the World Financial Center. This is how that can be explained. I believe its the same universe, just lots of things happened in 7 years. Its possible. Also, its possible we are seeing this from the wrong view. Flip the GTA map the other way and see that we could be looking at the islands all wrong. This is how it could be: Portland being alderney city would make sense as its industrial. Staunton being Algonquin makes sense as its the middle and is the commercial area. Dukes/Broker is Shoreside and that makes sense. Its residential, has an airport, etc. Bohan can be explained by either that the city reclaimed land, or a chunk of shoreside broke off. The lengths some people will go to, not to admit they are wrong, is simply staggering. "A large financial boom", "they did a lot of stuff", that's your explanation? So I'm guessing San Andreas had an even bigger financial boom & managed to demolish, re-landscape & rebuild an entire state in 20 years. Ok. Caseclosed indeed. At least you attempted to explain this ludicrous anomoly between this generation's & last generation's GTA's, even though you looked a fool in the process. Please carry on trying to link the two, as it's comedy gold watching you lot do so. Edited October 6, 2013 by jamieleng Jimmy Darmody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOW'S ANNIE? Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 There definitely is a line where there are different universes, most notable is Liberty City from III to IV. Where did Shoreside Vale go? Where did those giant cliffs go? Why did the airport magically flip sides? Why did everything get renamed? Where the f*ck did Happiness Island come from? The universe thing is Rockstar's explanation, there's no denying that. But that doesn't stop people from using their imagination to picture things, and there's nothing wrong with that. This can be explained fairly easily. My theory: In IV, in the 7 years after we last saw LC (GTA 3), a large financial boom in the city took place that caused many businesses to open. The city had so much cash that they did alot of stuff. Francis International was bought out buy a new airline and was placed over in what was portland. Eventually, the city became so much bigger that the islands were renamed. Also, Happiness Island and Bohan were created by man. Remember that in real life NYC, a large part of manhattan was created next to the world trade center in the early 80`s called battery park city which houses the World Financial Center. This is how that can be explained. I believe its the same universe, just lots of things happened in 7 years. Its possible. Also, its possible we are seeing this from the wrong view. Flip the GTA map the other way and see that we could be looking at the islands all wrong. This is how it could be: Portland being alderney city would make sense as its industrial. Staunton being Algonquin makes sense as its the middle and is the commercial area. Dukes/Broker is Shoreside and that makes sense. Its residential, has an airport, etc. Bohan can be explained by either that the city reclaimed land, or a chunk of shoreside broke off. I think I just dropped 80 IQ points by reading this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiddleyWinker Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 R* already confirmed San Andrea's is set in the same universe as The Hobbit, though for obvious reasons not the same universe as LOTR. CJ and gang will appear in The Desolation of Smaug as a prequel to find out how the feud between The Families and the The Ballas came to be. jamieleng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarloSpicyWiener Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 If SA and V aren't in the same Universe then what about all the references to characters from all the previous games? And plus anything could of happened between 1992 and 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apex. Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 How can you not accept the fact that they are separate universes. I understand you want to stay in your San Andreas fantasy, and that's cool, but some here are treating this like the 3D Universe and the HD universe being the same is a fact and it's real stupid. I know some of you understand that 3D and HD are separate, but some people here are just so stubborn they can't accept that and don't want to lose their precious immortal CJ. Let's assume a mega-earthquake wiped out the state completely in around 1995, crumbling Los Santos, cutting off San Fierro and Las Venturas from each other and somehow destroying Mount Chiliad. So the good people of San Andreas state start rebuilding and oh look, within the time of 20 years Mount Chiliad has REGROWN to the north within the space of 20 years (when in actual reality it would of took millions of years for a mountain of that size) and various other mountains have grown around it. Complete relocation of the geography of the State... How do you explain that one.. Has the GTA world got some super-quick planet mechanism where mountains grow in the space of decades? And also notice how ingame there's no mention of a cataclysmic event, be it earthquake or otherwise. If all this did happen; Rockstar would of told us about it. So the whole idea that they are the same Universe is not plausible in the slightest, Rockstar OFFICIALLY stated they are seperate Universes with some brands/characters/city names transferring over. Someone above mentioned the multiverse theory, which is the most likely theory. Rockstar simply just wanted a way to start their cities and characters from scratch, without having to completely change everything. The whole Grove Street thing is an easter egg back to San Andreas, a bit of nostalgia for everyone and shouldn't be took as a sign of merging Universes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. Franklin didnt build up the families, he's not even a high ranking member. Franklin isn't even apart of the Gangs, He's just associated with them Via Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard1997jones Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 It was kind of sad to see CJ's house had gone and not to have any links to SA but at least there was a leak to Vice City with one of the strangers and freaks missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. Franklin didnt build up the families, he's not even a high ranking member. Franklin isn't even apart of the Gangs, He's just associated with them Via Lamar. yes he is apart of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseclosedjk Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Leave it to GTAForums members to be a**holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. Franklin didnt build up the families, he's not even a high ranking member. Franklin isn't even apart of the Gangs, He's just associated with them Via Lamar. yes he is apart of them... Well, No, He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodore93 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 This kind of thread should go somewhere else - like a fan fiction section. You guys can stick fingers in your ears and scream "f*ck dat universes sh*t, nigga!" all you want but it doesn't change the fact that as many have said already, R* has established that there are different universes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. Franklin didnt build up the families, he's not even a high ranking member. Franklin isn't even apart of the Gangs, He's just associated with them Via Lamar. yes he is apart of them... Well, No, He isn't. explain this to me please... explain the gang tattoos.... the green clothing... the greetings he gets... the warnings he gets from rival gangs... please explain to me how he IS NOT apart of the families? and also lamar says you aint been down for the set or comin to none of the meetings.. this means he IS apart of them Edited October 6, 2013 by mrrightt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekkidhillbilly Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 jesus christ people its like a movies or tv show. look at the dukes of hazzard first season had a total different set to it. did you notice prob not cause its not a big concern the story is the same. if i tell you a story of something that happened in a city i might give different details than someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) explain this to me please... explain the gang tattoos.... the green clothing... the greetings he gets... the warnings he gets from rival gangs... please explain to me how he IS NOT apart of the families? and also lamar says you aint been down for the set or comin to none of the meetings.. this means he IS apart of them If being associated with someone whos apart of something means you are apart of that thing, Then i am a Cop. Edited October 6, 2013 by Killerdude8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF. And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF. And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game. sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend? but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang! and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie! trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless88 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) GTA:V should've been set in the 1970's with Franklin as the only protag. Showing us how he built the families up from nothing and how the families and ballas came to hate each other. It would've been even better if Franklin or his 1970's equivalent was CJ and/or Sweet's dad. This. 70's would of been a real cool setting, Edited October 6, 2013 by ruthless88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerdude Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF. And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game. sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend? but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang! and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie! trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES! Still though, Franklin is not a Families gang member, He is just involved with them through Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 killerdude.. he is a MOTHERf*ckING MEMBER! anyway enough arguing over some lame ass sh*t.. i know im right.. you wrong.. but somehow still think you right with all the evidence i given.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOW'S ANNIE? Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF. And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game. sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend? but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang! and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie! trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES! You are aware that this is an English speaking forum right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrightt Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 that dont make any f*ckin sense homie! why the f*ck would you get a GANG tattoo if you werent in a GANG?! and being down for the set means you ready to go do sh*t on rivals... put in work.. lamar saying he aint been doing that because he been too busy with michael n sh*t.. and if you werent apart of that gang why the f*ck would he be going and putting in work on all the rivals?! Dunno, Lamar is Franklins Best friend, Willing to do sh*t for him to avoid having him killed. Ever notice how Franklin never Reps the Families or goes out attacks Rival gangs? I mean without Lamar being involved. Every gang fight involving Franklin in the game has been started because Lamar needed help with something And Frankie boy, helping his BFF. And about the Tattoos thing, Thats something for the player to go about doing, Franklin has no Tattoos when you start the game. sh*t if i had a friend that was in a gang.. and i wasnt n he was up n asking me to go ride on some rivals i tell that foo to go f*ck himself.. why would you risk going to the pen jus for 1 friend? but he asks vatos where they from! you only aproach a fool and get all up in his face like that if you in a gang! and the bad remarks he gets from ballas vagos and marabunta.. you dont get that sh*t from being a regular guy homie! trust me fool i know what im talking bout. FRANKLIN IS/WAS a member of the FAMILIES! You are aware that this is an English speaking forum right? the f*ck you mean this a english speaking forum? i know that.. i been speaking english motherf*cker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Grove Street Families without the connection with Sweet, CJ...etc doesn't feel like GSF already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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