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What choice did you choose at the end? SPOILERS!

What choice did you choose?  

172 members have voted

  1. 1. What choice did you choose?



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ChiroVette

I think we are talking about the same thing, in essence.

 

-First off, the endings A and B are poorly written and even more poorly implemented. They play like afterthoughts and cut & pastes more than actual endings.

 

-Both are anticlimactic. While my main save was the C Ending, as I believe it is both canon (as you suggested) and would have been prerequisites for DLC that never happened. I had no idea back then that this would be the case. But even so, I left a save slot in that crossroad mission so I could re-load it and go back to play the two alternate endings. While I had zero interest in killing Trevor or Michael in my game, even back then, I had still assumed that their executions would be better thought out and better developed, not to mention better written. I actually really looked forward to playing them, even if they would not result in my final save point. But in the end, the missions are basically some dumb "chase the guy down, drive a long way to some destination, and kill him." Very disappointing from both an alternate ending standpoint AND a gameplay standpoint.

 

-The problem with a game that offers only ONE good choice is that, in my opinion, it devalues the whole point of offering the player a choice in the first place. I mean, shouldn't the devs and writers have offered players an actual choice between three viable endings, rather than one really good one and two completely dead end (your words) crappy ones? Again, if I were a writer or dev, I would want to make the player really think hard about their choice, by incentivizing the two "not as happy and Sunshine & Puppies endings." Maybe I am overthinking this, but I would have wanted the players to really have to sit and think a minute about whether they truly wanted to let all protagonists live OR wanted to kill one of them. As much as I hate IV, this is one area where I think the story choice is, in effect, better than the fork in the road for V. Because, if I remember correctly, choosing either ending gives the player both advantages and disadvantages. Meaning, you really have to think (assuming you care more about the story than I did, of course) about what ending you wanted for your final save. You were both rewarded AND punished for either choice.

 

-I am separating story from gameplay in one sense, but even in terms of writing, both the A and B endings are awful. Forget about the effect on the game, for a minute. They are delivered in a very generic way where the writing is pretty much identical, except for in one instance you let the guy drop and in the other, you set him on fire. But everything else about the writing in these ending choices is nothing more than written cut & pastes, and gameplay cut & pastes as well.

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Galehaut

-Both are anticlimactic. While my main save was the C Ending, as I believe it is both canon (as you suggested) and would have been prerequisites for DLC that never happened. I had no idea back then that this would be the case. But even so, I left a save slot in that crossroad mission so I could re-load it and go back to play the two alternate endings. While I had zero interest in killing Trevor or Michael in my game, even back then, I had still assumed that their executions would be better thought out and better developed, not to mention better written. I actually really looked forward to playing them, even if they would not result in my final save point. But in the end, the missions are basically some dumb "chase the guy down, drive a long way to some destination, and kill him." Very disappointing from both an alternate ending standpoint AND a gameplay standpoint.

 

That's where our opinions mainly differ ; while i completely agree that those endings are worthless on the game play side , i still believe that those 2 bad endings and the way they were written are very important and very complete IF you take in consideration the game as a whole.

 

You already know some of the recurring theme in that game , the mid-life crisis theme being pre-dominant. Personal growth is also another very important theme close to the game as a whole. Another recurrent theme is Hollywood itself and everything it encompass. This game HAD to finish like a good Hollywood block buster.

 

I really feel like you just had surrealist expectation for the end game or that you have a personal bias toward what the story should have been for you. I see those bad endings just like i would see mutliple ending games back in the days.

 

I honestly never saw anyone criticize games like Resident Evil 2 for having multiple bad endings and a good one. What about Silent hill ? Same for Chrono Trigger. Why would anyone choose anything else than an ending with Crono alive ? It's the whole point of multiple endings in a game ; to give more choice to the players ultimately. In Parasite eve 2 , i actually preferred the bad endings.

 

You can't deny the fact that many people preferred ending A or B , despite the consequences for choosing them.

 

 

-I am separating story from gameplay in one sense, but even in terms of writing, both the A and B endings are awful. Forget about the effect on the game, for a minute. They are delivered in a very generic way where the writing is pretty much identical, except for in one instance you let the guy drop and in the other, you set him on fire. But everything else about the writing in these ending choices is nothing more than written cut & pastes, and gameplay cut & pastes as well.

 

Gameplay wise , i agree completely. But story wise , like i said earlier , this is by design ! On the mural , you can clearly see that both ending A and B are symmetric and at the same height. This is how they chose to hint that one way or another , killing the protagonist wasn't the way to go.

 

This represent exactly what you described here. 2 copy-paste dead ends.

 

Even if they gave literally all the clues they could for the players to visually recognize the end of the story line in an image painted on a wall , it still took years for someone to uncover the real clues hidden in the story line writing to understand it all. I'd say that the writers are probably very proud of themselves on that one.

 

Remember , a R* official stated again last month that SP was very very complete. :*) If you understand the game as a whole , with the deciphered mural and all the endings, it opens the door to many more discussions. I think that's exactly what R* was going for with those endings and the mural.

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ChiroVette

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't think that the A and B endings are in any way important from a story point of view. Particularly with how poorly they told the two alternate endings. I think they are more than just gameplay-crap. I think they both smack of lazy writing, which is not something I am accustomed to from Dan Houser's team. You seem to feel that they are meant to spark discussion in terms of controversy, but I don't see them as controversial so much as completely uninteresting and lackluster from a writing point of view. The endings are like non-entities in terms of story quality, and I don't think that doing that intentionally makes them any less banal.

 

But again, we can agree to disagree. You see the A and B endings as good storytelling (though we agree they suck for gameplay) and I see them both as lazy writing and lacking in any inherent interest to make them even seem "edgy."

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Galehaut

You seem to feel that they are meant to spark discussion in terms of controversy,

 

Not at all. The spark of discussion arise from the fact that at the beginning of the game , the protagonists can see their future painted on a wall. That includes their own death for M and T.

 

What are the implications of having a canon hint showing the story line illustrated at the top of the highest mountain in the game ? That's where the discussions should rises and can also take many directions. Who painted it ? How come they know the future in advance ?

 

If you know the game completely , you can also find other hints that pinpoint toward a certain narrative.

 

Ever watched Westworld ? :*) That's just to give you an hint without spoiling you anything.

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Electrochoc

I chose to save all. I dont like Michael or Trevor but I've given so much effort to them, why would I kill one of them? The things that the game offered as a final choice were very ridiculous.

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Sleepwalking

 

 

 

As others have said, I think Deathwish was kind of the obvious choice.


Also, another thing to consider in terms of the lame way the A and B endings were cobbled together like some videogame-afterthought, is that there is no incentive to killing either Michael or Trevor. In fact, the entire thing is dis-incentivized completely. You spend an entire game building up the assets of all three protagonists, collecting cars, stocks, properties, MONEY, and increasing their skills via experience. Then you kill one of them and you basically lose from your inventory everything that character possessed that you worked so hard to build up.

The least Rockstar could have done was allow the two protagonists left to somehow share the assets of the executed protagonists.

Moreover, if you have to make a choice as a player for Franklin to kill one of them, shouldn't there be some real incentive to do it, both financial and material?

Not only were the A and B endings nothing more than cut and paste afterthoughts, but not once is the player given any good motivation to kill Michael or Trevor, other than the biggest douchebag in the game, who is an enemy to all three protagonists, demanding he choose one. In addition to making the endings more interesting and fun to play, shouldn't the player be lavishly compensated for taking out one of the protagonists? I mean, other than not liking one of the two, there really is no viable motivation to choosing one of the execution endings.

 

 

 

 

 

I love ending B.

 

Let's think of older GTA antagonists like Catalina / Big Smoke / Dimitri. The only difference between them and Michael is that you are able to play as Michael. He is just another GTA antagonist. He sold his mates to feds in order to save himself & family. After all these years he was not even sorry, I didn't buy his bullsh*t excuses where he defended his betrayal. At the end, he is betrayed by Franklin due to same reason.

I loved how story forms a circle.

Gameplay side:

Most players I see didn't bother with %100 completion and directly go into GTA online after completing story because after completing main story, the game doesn't offer any attractive criminal sub activities. So number of single player characters & their stats & properties are no longer important for them.

If you decide to reach %100 completion, again you really don't need have three playable character.

You will play mostly with Franklin.

* Only his sub missions contribute %100 completion.
* Chop is very useful when it comes to find collectibles.

After i reached %100, now I rarely launch single player; I launch single player if GTA online has some connection issues or if i come across with real assholes who make me very angry. When I launch it, I just shoot some cops, get bored easily and then turn off. While my main save file has ending B, i have a secondary "incase a dlc comes regarding Michael" ending C save file. Few minutes ago, I launch it to just see Michael, after story you really don't have any reason to play with him. He doesn't even have a sub activity to do.

Even reading posts & fan theories in this forum give me more fun than just roaming in empty single player map after finishing story.

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Journey_95

Ending C is the only one that makes sense, even though its underwhelming as hell too. There is no tension and the trio kills the villians too easily.

Still the first two endings are just forced and half assed, Rockstar should have put more effort in them or just not included them at all.

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NumberNineLarge

I chose ending C as it's a happy ending. I watched the other two on YouTube, and both are sad.

 

That being said, it makes no sense for Franklin to kill either of them. It makes sense for Michael to kill Trevor and Trevor to kill Michael, but neither is an option.

 

Trevor and Franklin never had any serious tension. Trevor was always loyal and truthful with Franklin.

 

Michael and Franklin became so tightly knit even after Michael pointed a gun at Franklin's head for breaking into his house.

 

Deathwish is the way to go, as it was meant to be. Devin screwed Franklin over. Michael and Trevor never did.

 

Also, to the person who said Trevor needs to put down for the good of society, it's a video game, not real life. How I'd feel about somebody in real life is not how I'd feel about them in a game. It's GTA. Do you expect a boy scout?

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Gettin up

Ending C.

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DylRicho
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Deathwish.

 

There was no way that I was losing access to a third of the game's content.

 

But more importantly, I like all three characters for different reasons, and from the way the story plays out, all three seem to bond in the end.

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Tengerecki

Made no sense from a character perspective to make a call that either Trevor or Michael die.

 

Michael, while not being the most honest of friends did give Franklin the opportunity to actually get out of the hood and quickly might I say. And Mike has a family. That might not seem important to some people but I felt like Frank would be bothered by the idea of taking a father away from people hes met and know. On top of that. He lost his mother and would be bothered by the idea of leaving Jimmy and Slut without a father.

 

Trevor, while psychotic and deranged. Never betrayed Franklin or treated him like sh*t. Trevor even went out of his way to help Frank on numerous occasions including fighting their way out of Grove Street when Stretch set em up. Trevor might not of had anything family wise to cause Frank to think twice. But Trevor seemed to end up being one of Franks boys by the time this 'choice' comes up. And since I cant see Frank offing Lamar for Lamar being Lamar. I cant possibly see Frank seeing this any differently.

 

Then you factor in the fact that. Devin didnt pay Frank his cut from the car heists, and for the most part is just a f*cking douchebag. And the FIB has gotten in the way of numerous opportunities to make some paper so they could in fact get paid.

 

If they could do half the sh*t they pulled in the game as a team. They could handle some loud mouth, little dick, cocky asshats like Devin and Dirty FIB Agents.

 

Ex-f*cking-actly, bro.

 

Btw Trevor seems to be the most loyal person out of the trio. Even though he's totally psychotic, cannibalistic, deranged, problematic he still stays loyal to his close friends. His loyalty should be example to us all. The reason why he left Michael for dead is because Michael lied to him big time...

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Sleepwalking

I killed Michael he is lying too much. However, I have two save files (ending b-c) most of the time I boot c; I love trying all weaponised vehicles on Michael's annoying family.

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