just cause 2 or GTA V

[HornyHabib]

The voice actors still make me laugh.

[GTA_REEFER]

I thought Mercenaries 2 was better than Just Cause 2. JC2 was boring and cheesy.

 

As for gtav, best openworld game to date.

[bicycles?]

didn't see this thread until now. So I'll copy/paste stuff that's been copy/pasted after being copy/pasted...

 

It seems to me that the people calling JC2 boring were only playing the missions? The freeplay is amazing once you start getting heat on you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what good is the insane detail in gtaV when the police/gameplay mechanics are so sh*tty?

 

The only thing all that detail is good for is looking at. And it's all hollow, uninteractive, and lifeless. It's supposed to have been a videogame, not a movie.

 

 

 

 

I was going to make a jc2 comparison thread but didn't. I'll copy/paste it here... The world is more cartoonish, but it's nowhere near as restrictive, and the explosions are more realistic - better looking and don't travel from vehicle to vehicle for no reason, etc...

 

jc2 vs gtav (right corner) - the scale is correct.

 

 

the cities/bases were all copy/pasted mirrors of each other, and much less visually detailed, but there was more actual GAMEPLAY and fun.

 

And the police didn't just repetitively spawn into/out of thin air, you could actually see them coming from a distance.

 

And you could ride/surf vehicles.

 

And the planes handled realistically - actually needing runway space for takeoffs/landings, not falling out of the air when you release the controls, not bobbling around like they're held up on a string, etc...

 

And the helicopters were fun to fly, not a chore you had to learn.

 

And you could fire cannons/machine guns at the same time.

 

And you could select personal weapons without pulling up/cycling through a menu, and use the melee without first uneqipping a weapon/equipping your hand.

 

And you had roving gangs shooting it out with your enemies/coming to your assistance, and surface to air missiles firing from bases you took over at enemy choppers.

 

And a ton of other things that were better/more fun/more intuitive than gtav.

 

 

that game came out 3 years ago and didn't require an internet connection. The ps3 version also had a pretty nice record/replay feature.

 

gtav was essentially a 60 dollar demo disk.

 

 

 

At the beginning of the video you can see a helicopter nearing in the background, unlike GTAV where they always just spawn within your line of sight.

You can also see an orange marker indicating a Surface to Air Missile heading for that helicopter. You don't just have crews of guys on your side cruising around shooting it out with the enemy in jc2 - If you leave the SAMs in place while taking over bases, they'll be turned against your enemy's choppers. They don't always hit, but it's very entertaining, and there's almost no draw distance.

Whereas gtaV doesn't even have real gang wars now and has horrible, repetitive chopper spawning.

 

 

It's so nice being able to hijack vehicles as soon as they're within a hundred feet or so, and it's soooo nice being able to ride them, and it's nice (and very basic) being able to use different singular buttons for different weapons.

In GTAV you have to trudge up to a vehicle without getting shot, run over, killed by a mountain lion, etc... and there's no guarantee that you can even drive them, and you can't ride/surf 99% of them - Try to stand in a pickup bed, even, and the gate falls down, dumping you out. That's not realistic or fun, at all.

And the weapons cycling is just stupid. If you're using a pistol, and you end up close to someone, you can't just push a different button to punch/kick them, you have to pull up the weapon wheel and equip your hand. Same with grenades, whereas jc2 just has a grenade button, a melee button, and a fire button, with easy, instant switches/no menus in between.

And all the weapons you're carrying are displayed on your body. GTAV puts on this air of 'realism' and makes you traverse the map to find vehicles, and if you lose them they're gone until you find them again, but they don't even display the stuff your character is carrying.

There are so many more examples...

 

 

GTAV has more realistic graphics, for sure (aside from the explosions and some other effects,) but it seems to be going for a simulator/role playing feel, but is very inconsistent with where/how the "realism" is applied.

They apply it to places where it takes fun away (dying almost instantly, getting up slow, expenses/losses, etc) and remove it from places where it would be fun (gore, vehicle damage, much of the controls, etc) while JC2 is *all* about fun.


copy/pasted JC2 pros list from another thread

- being able to exit/mount/stick to the roofs of vehicles with one push of a button, even vehicles in the distance, helicopters, and airplanes. My favorite thing to do in any game is just ride the cars around shooting at stuff, and this game is perfect for it. There's a train you can ride in gta, but it gets boring quick if you're not playing online, and there are trucks you can ride for a bit, but not long.

- *A crouch button* and much better cover on natural stuff, whereas gta only allows you to cover on set, predesignated spots, and will often stand you up when you meant to crouch and vice versa. Gta doesn't give you control of what you want to duck behind.

- singular roll button. (gta5 requires a weapon equipped, holding one button, pressing another)

- much better/faster swimming, and you can use the grappling hook to get out anywhere instead of gta where you're mashing a button and steering like sh*t for 3 minutes to find a ladder or something else low enough/predesignated for you to interact with.

- singular/separate gun, grenade and melee buttons - no wheel to pull up and cycle through, and the weapons are displayed on your body

- SO much more fun and convenient being able to quickly parachute across the map and just grapplehook onto anything you see, instead of, in gta, having to slowly/clumsily mash buttons until you find a ladder or an interactive ledge to climb on, IF you can climb on something.

- getting into and out of vehicles is better. You can exit them at speed without dying, and the parachute makes it amazing. In gta they force 'realism' in some spots, one of them being car ignitions. Press a button to get in a car and go, and then wait 4-10 seconds before you can actually move. Frustrating.

- The controls, from cover to combat, are just so much more dynamic and less scripted, whereas in gta almost everything is an animation that you engage, but don't actually control.

- the airdrops in jc2 are much more convenient than driving across the gta map to different stores.

- The driving is more realistic as far as traction, things you can and can't drive over, and actual difference in handling between different vehicles, and a lot of the crashes/flips, and even body damage in some cases, are much better/more realistic than gta

- the vehicles in jc2 aren't perfect, but the handling is lightyears ahead of gta5. Gta vehicle handling is worse than any decent ps2 game I played in any genre they're emulating.

- The explosions in jc2 are, to me, much better looking and they don't spread as cartoonishly.

- jc2, even without an internet connection, has a replay feature that allows HOURs of gameplay recording, and you have all kinds of playback controls, including forward/backward slowmo.
Gta doesn't even allow the in game cellphone camera to save pictures if you don't have an internet connection. It's horsesh*t

- the sky diving in jc2 is a lot less sluggish and floaty, and the parchute is more floaty and less heavy... better freedom of movement, more fun.

- I personally believe the skylines look better in jc2, and the map looks better from the air. Gta has AMAZING water graphics, but there's just something drab about how it all looks from the sky.

- the grappling hook is a game winner on it's own. You can't even push or grab the nonplayable characters in gta5, and most of them die after one punch.

- the planes in jc2 actually require runway space to take off and land, and handle much more realistically/don't flop around like toys on strings.

- the helicopters in jc2 handle much better, and you can use both weapons at the same time. I've never been in one in real life so I don't know what "realistic" would feel like, but there's no question it's better/more manageable/more fun than in gta.

- in jc2 you can do missions any way you want to, take any route/vehicle you want, shoot any of the characters, etc...

- the enemy forces might not be as 'smart' and challenging as in gta, but they don't just spawn out of nowhere, and then disappear into nowhere.

- in jc2 you've got other 'gangs' driving around shooting it out with your enemy, and they come and back you up, and you can ride around on their vehicles shooting at/using your grappling hook on pursuers. Sometimes your comrades will take a helicopter you set down and you can follow them around as they shoot your enemy... Where are your gangs in gta5?

 

In gtaV a punch kills a person the same as a single bullet to the foot from any gun. In JC2 the weapons upgrades actually noticeably affect the strength and ammo capacity of the guns, they have different sounds, and they're all noticeably different from each other.

 

There are so many ways that JC2 beats gtav, it's so frustrating when people justify gta's missing features with "console limitations"

[bicycles?]

more copy/paste

 

There are a ton of videos showing how good the game looks, just search for "just cause beautiful" or anything like that. The copy/pasted city structures don't matter, because there are years' worth of gameplay/freeplay/replayability in between it all, and all that detail in gtaV is flat out useless with all the other immersion-breaking garbage they included/things they left out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tom_p1980]

Tough call.

 

GTA5 admittedly is far more beautiful however JC2 was so much more fun.

[user14]

more copy/paste

 

There are a ton of videos showing how good the game looks, just search for "just cause beautiful" or anything like that. The copy/pasted city structures don't matter, because there are years' worth of gameplay/freeplay/replayability in between it all, and all that detail in gtaV is flat out useless with all the other immersion-breaking garbage they included/things they left out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

looks fun

Edited November 2, 2013 by user14

[Lil ski]

GTA V yo

 

 

Why did you.....? I mean....what the fu.....???! Why is that even a question??

[bicycles?]

^JC2 developers didn't lock up 80+% of the game content online. they delivered the product they advertised, not an online demo disk.

[ryan_J]

Just Cause 2 will always have a special place in my heart, it was the first game I had on my PS3 when I first properly made the 360 to PS3 transition and its one of the most unexpectedly fun gaming experiences I have ever had, I had played Just Cause 1 but I didn't really get the full experience and the sequel on my PS3 simply blew me away.

 

I'm a sucker for game environments and Just Cause 2 is undeniably beautiful, yes it is copy and pasted and yes it is empty in some areas but the amount of fun that can be had despite this is staggering, the sheer size of the map is almost scary.

Comparing it to GTA though is something I have never liked doing, yes they're both open world games but they are two different kinds of fun. I can't call which one I think is better but what I can say for sure is my game collection wouldn't be the same without either of them!

[RyanBurnsRed]

jc-mp is a lot of fun. Probably the most fun I've ever had with a video game.

I don't see GTA Online competing. I mean, 1000 players causing chaos and mayhem > 16 players having a tea party to not get bad sport

Edited November 2, 2013 by brootalperry

[Justin..]

I recon JC2 would be better if it was online. Gtav is better in only that respect. Jc2 had far too much of the same thing, as fun as it is!

[Mr.Wr0ng]

^JC2 developers didn't lock up 80+% of the game content online. they delivered the product they advertised, not an online demo disk.

There aren't many things that are online only. The Annihilator (at least no one found it yet in singleplayer), the insurance thing, 3 apartment interiors and a couple of missions, while most of them are kind of trivial anyway from what I heard. Nothing game-changing or anything.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Mr.Wr0ng

[Algonquin Assassin]

JC2 is one of the most lifeless games I've ever played. I don't hate it, but boy it's a drag after a few hours.

 

People complain about GTA V's map being boring, but JC2 takes the cake IMO. Atleast in GTA V there's the possibility of running into something you've never seen before. The city of Panua makes LS seem like the most alive city ever seen in a video game.

 

I thought JC2 was fun until the 30 hour mark then it took a nose dive. GTA V beats it in everything.

[dave4242]

Just cause 2 is great for 2 hours. Then you realise every subsequent 2 hours will be exactly the same. One of the most repetative games ever made. If you want endless action then get prototype/infamous instead.

[user14]

i agree

[RolfStarGames]

I've got both games, so... what's the problem??

[AtomicPunk]

All Just Cause Dev's would have to do is implement a better physics engine next time and BOOM! They could compete with GTA --Just a few tweaks and stuff like that. I think they could do something awesome.

[HoleInTheSky]

^JC2 developers didn't lock up 80+% of the game content online. they delivered the product they advertised, not an online demo disk.

 

Sad but true. Just Cause 2 is soulless, but at least it's all there.

Edited November 6, 2013 by HoleInTheSky

[Algonquin Assassin]

All Just Cause Dev's would have to do is implement a better physics engine next time and BOOM! They could compete with GTA --Just a few tweaks and stuff like that. I think they could do something awesome.

A gaming world that isn't so big and boring would be nice too.

[B1GB0SS]

As of right now.... Just Cause 2.... once R* gets things working... then probably GTA V. If you're looking to buy one right now... definitely go with Just Cause 2 (no one can argue that). Do you want a nice huge open world polished game... or GTAV?

Are you implying that Just Cause 2 has a polished map? Ha! The game gets boring after half an hour.

[Tashan]

JC2 is a cool game with modding scene making it more fun to play.

If only the mechanics in game were more tighter and solid it would have been a great game.

Lastly, why everything has to be compared with V, just play them as you like.

[Mukaparska]

As someone who got all the achievements/trophies for JC2 I can say beyond any doubt that GTA V while is far from perfect, sh*ts all over JC2. The only thing JC2 has is a much, much, much larger map but it's flat out boring and every mode of transportation besides the grapple/parachute totally sucks. Actually, I take that back, so far JC2's helicopters are better but that's because you're not dealing with an excessive amount of wind like we are with GTA V and it seems like the flying stats does little to negate it. Hell, it doesn't really even seem like the driving or flying stats do much anyway.

 

I really hope they adjust that or at least tone it down significantly when flying is maxed out or hell even if just for maxed out flying for Trevor to maintain his flying advantage.

Are you kidding me? Flying helicopters in JC2 felt like sailing a ship. So f*cking stiff. Same is with planes. GTA V has superior flying controls.

[Journey_95]

just cause 2 was pure sh*t boring story sh*tty characters the same missions over and over again

GTA V is far superior its not even a fair comparison

[bicycles?]

 

Are you kidding me? Flying helicopters in JC2 felt like sailing a ship. So f*cking stiff. Same is with planes. GTA V has superior flying controls.

 

 

they may have been stiff, but you could actually steer them, hover, and hold onto a target without bobbling around like you're held up on a string or falling out of the air for no reason like in gtav.

 

 

 

People saying the game is soulless, no fun, boring missions, etc...

 

Do you only buy/play games for the missions? I've been playing JC2 for 3 years now, and it's still way more fun than gtaV. You don't need to do the missions to increase your stats or get better weapons/vehicles, and the way your enemies appear "has a lot more soul" than the way they just spawn into/out of thin air in gtav. You don't have to initiate missions/sequences to start something fun, there's actually an element of open freeplay and endless fun mayhem, whereas gtav is just empty, punishing, and extremely flawed if you aren't playing missions or watching sequences

Edited November 6, 2013 by bicycles?

[Mukaparska]

 

 

Are you kidding me? Flying helicopters in JC2 felt like sailing a ship. So f*cking stiff. Same is with planes. GTA V has superior flying controls.

 

 

they may have been stiff, but you could actually steer them, hover, and hold onto a target without bobbling around like you're held up on a string or falling out of the air for no reason like in gtav.

 

 

 

People saying the game is soulless, no fun, boring missions, etc...

 

Do you only buy/play games for the missions? I've been playing JC2 for 3 years now, and it's still way more fun than gtaV. You don't need to do the missions to increase your stats or get better weapons/vehicles, and the way your enemies appear "has a lot more soul" than the way they just spawn into/out of thin air in gtav. You don't have to initiate missions/sequences to start something fun, there's actually an element of open freeplay and endless fun mayhem, whereas gtav is just empty, punishing, and extremely flawed if you aren't playing missions or watching sequences

 

Flying controls in GTA V aren't really much different from most games with helicopters and planes. Having static and stiff controls like in JC2 just makes you feel like driving a flying train. Flying doesn't feel like freedom, it feels like you are not even flying. It doesn't matter if it's easier to shoot, if it sucks to shoot.

 

World in JC2 felt A LOT emptier than in GTA V. Same kind of cars driving around, same kind of enemies, those few people you saw looked exactly the same, no life in streets. Not even much to do. In GTA V there's tons of different side activities.

[bicycles?]

Complain about the stiffness all you want, at least we can actually aim at and shoot things instead of just bobbling around on a string and hoping the auto-lock doesn't take your missiles somewhere else.

 

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/612189-just-cause-2-or-gta-v/

 

 

didn't see this thread until now. So I'll copy/paste stuff that's been copy/pasted after being copy/pasted...

 

It seems to me that the people calling JC2 boring were only playing the missions? The freeplay is amazing once you start getting heat on you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what good is the insane detail in gtaV when the police/gameplay mechanics are so sh*tty?

 

The only thing all that detail is good for is looking at. And it's all hollow, uninteractive, and lifeless. It's supposed to have been a videogame, not a movie.

 

 

 

 

I was going to make a jc2 comparison thread but didn't. I'll copy/paste it here... The world is more cartoonish, but it's nowhere near as restrictive, and the explosions are more realistic - better looking and don't travel from vehicle to vehicle for no reason, etc...

 

jc2 vs gtav (right corner) - the scale is correct.

 

 

the cities/bases were all copy/pasted mirrors of each other, and much less visually detailed, but there was more actual GAMEPLAY and fun.

 

And the police didn't just repetitively spawn into/out of thin air, you could actually see them coming from a distance.

 

And you could ride/surf vehicles.

 

And the planes handled realistically - actually needing runway space for takeoffs/landings, not falling out of the air when you release the controls, not bobbling around like they're held up on a string, etc...

 

And the helicopters were fun to fly, not a chore you had to learn.

 

And you could fire cannons/machine guns at the same time.

 

And you could select personal weapons without pulling up/cycling through a menu, and use the melee without first uneqipping a weapon/equipping your hand.

 

And you had roving gangs shooting it out with your enemies/coming to your assistance, and surface to air missiles firing from bases you took over at enemy choppers.

 

And a ton of other things that were better/more fun/more intuitive than gtav.

 

 

that game came out 3 years ago and didn't require an internet connection. The ps3 version also had a pretty nice record/replay feature.

 

gtav was essentially a 60 dollar demo disk.

 

 

 

At the beginning of the video you can see a helicopter nearing in the background, unlike GTAV where they always just spawn within your line of sight.

You can also see an orange marker indicating a Surface to Air Missile heading for that helicopter. You don't just have crews of guys on your side cruising around shooting it out with the enemy in jc2 - If you leave the SAMs in place while taking over bases, they'll be turned against your enemy's choppers. They don't always hit, but it's very entertaining, and there's almost no draw distance.

Whereas gtaV doesn't even have real gang wars now and has horrible, repetitive chopper spawning.

 

 

It's so nice being able to hijack vehicles as soon as they're within a hundred feet or so, and it's soooo nice being able to ride them, and it's nice (and very basic) being able to use different singular buttons for different weapons.

In GTAV you have to trudge up to a vehicle without getting shot, run over, killed by a mountain lion, etc... and there's no guarantee that you can even drive them, and you can't ride/surf 99% of them - Try to stand in a pickup bed, even, and the gate falls down, dumping you out. That's not realistic or fun, at all.

And the weapons cycling is just stupid. If you're using a pistol, and you end up close to someone, you can't just push a different button to punch/kick them, you have to pull up the weapon wheel and equip your hand. Same with grenades, whereas jc2 just has a grenade button, a melee button, and a fire button, with easy, instant switches/no menus in between.

And all the weapons you're carrying are displayed on your body. GTAV puts on this air of 'realism' and makes you traverse the map to find vehicles, and if you lose them they're gone until you find them again, but they don't even display the stuff your character is carrying.

There are so many more examples...

 

 

GTAV has more realistic graphics, for sure (aside from the explosions and some other effects,) but it seems to be going for a simulator/role playing feel, but is very inconsistent with where/how the "realism" is applied.

They apply it to places where it takes fun away (dying almost instantly, getting up slow, expenses/losses, etc) and remove it from places where it would be fun (gore, vehicle damage, much of the controls, etc) while JC2 is *all* about fun.


copy/pasted JC2 pros list from another thread

- being able to exit/mount/stick to the roofs of vehicles with one push of a button, even vehicles in the distance, helicopters, and airplanes. My favorite thing to do in any game is just ride the cars around shooting at stuff, and this game is perfect for it. There's a train you can ride in gta, but it gets boring quick if you're not playing online, and there are trucks you can ride for a bit, but not long.

- *A crouch button* and much better cover on natural stuff, whereas gta only allows you to cover on set, predesignated spots, and will often stand you up when you meant to crouch and vice versa. Gta doesn't give you control of what you want to duck behind.

- singular roll button. (gta5 requires a weapon equipped, holding one button, pressing another)

- much better/faster swimming, and you can use the grappling hook to get out anywhere instead of gta where you're mashing a button and steering like sh*t for 3 minutes to find a ladder or something else low enough/predesignated for you to interact with.

- singular/separate gun, grenade and melee buttons - no wheel to pull up and cycle through, and the weapons are displayed on your body

- SO much more fun and convenient being able to quickly parachute across the map and just grapplehook onto anything you see, instead of, in gta, having to slowly/clumsily mash buttons until you find a ladder or an interactive ledge to climb on, IF you can climb on something.

- getting into and out of vehicles is better. You can exit them at speed without dying, and the parachute makes it amazing. In gta they force 'realism' in some spots, one of them being car ignitions. Press a button to get in a car and go, and then wait 4-10 seconds before you can actually move. Frustrating.

- The controls, from cover to combat, are just so much more dynamic and less scripted, whereas in gta almost everything is an animation that you engage, but don't actually control.

- the airdrops in jc2 are much more convenient than driving across the gta map to different stores.

- The driving is more realistic as far as traction, things you can and can't drive over, and actual difference in handling between different vehicles, and a lot of the crashes/flips, and even body damage in some cases, are much better/more realistic than gta

- the vehicles in jc2 aren't perfect, but the handling is lightyears ahead of gta5. Gta vehicle handling is worse than any decent ps2 game I played in any genre they're emulating.

- The explosions in jc2 are, to me, much better looking and they don't spread as cartoonishly.

- jc2, even without an internet connection, has a replay feature that allows HOURs of gameplay recording, and you have all kinds of playback controls, including forward/backward slowmo.
Gta doesn't even allow the in game cellphone camera to save pictures if you don't have an internet connection. It's horsesh*t

- the sky diving in jc2 is a lot less sluggish and floaty, and the parchute is more floaty and less heavy... better freedom of movement, more fun.

- I personally believe the skylines look better in jc2, and the map looks better from the air. Gta has AMAZING water graphics, but there's just something drab about how it all looks from the sky.

- the grappling hook is a game winner on it's own. You can't even push or grab the nonplayable characters in gta5, and most of them die after one punch.

- the planes in jc2 actually require runway space to take off and land, and handle much more realistically/don't flop around like toys on strings.

- the helicopters in jc2 handle much better, and you can use both weapons at the same time. I've never been in one in real life so I don't know what "realistic" would feel like, but there's no question it's better/more manageable/more fun than in gta.

- in jc2 you can do missions any way you want to, take any route/vehicle you want, shoot any of the characters, etc...

- the enemy forces might not be as 'smart' and challenging as in gta, but they don't just spawn out of nowhere, and then disappear into nowhere.

- in jc2 you've got other 'gangs' driving around shooting it out with your enemy, and they come and back you up, and you can ride around on their vehicles shooting at/using your grappling hook on pursuers. Sometimes your comrades will take a helicopter you set down and you can follow them around as they shoot your enemy... Where are your gangs in gta5?

 

In gtaV a punch kills a person the same as a single bullet to the foot from any gun. In JC2 the weapons upgrades actually noticeably affect the strength and ammo capacity of the guns, they have different sounds, and they're all noticeably different from each other.

 

There are so many ways that JC2 beats gtav, it's so frustrating when people justify gta's missing features with "console limitations"

Edited November 27, 2013 by bicycles?

[oCrapaCreeper]

 

Complain about the stiffness all you want, at least we can actually aim at and shoot things instead of just bobbling around on a string and hoping the auto-lock doesn't take your missiles somewhere else.

 

 

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/612189-just-cause-2-or-gta-v/

 

Yep, we saw the posts, you don't need to stretch half the page with what was already said.

[user14]

True

[bicycles?]

 

Yep, we saw the posts, you don't need to stretch half the page with what was already said.

 

 

 

 

 

it was posted in another thread that was later merged with this one. critical thinking...

[lol232]

GTA V.

GTA V's map was massive and diverse.

JC2's map is massive. Just massive.

Quality > Quantity

 

EDIT: The scale is wrong. The JC2 map is much smaller, that little island on the left upper corner is just like the northern part of San Fierro in SA. So, it's twice as small as the LS in GTA V.

There was a pic proving that, but I can't find it right now.

 

E2: Lol @ the bicycle simulator fan above me.

 

Just Cause has a sh*tty storyline lol.

Edited November 28, 2013 by lol232