Ogugua2 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) After the fib mission in the coroners office michael meets up with franklin to tell him everything about his past and he says this: "We did a deal, a long time ago. Didn't go quite the way it was supposed to. WRONG GUY GOT KILLED. So I had to go into a kind of an informal witness protection program." For me this looks like Trevor was supposed to get killed during NY Robbery instead of Brad and that Michael was perfectly willing to sacrifice Trevors life in exchange to get out.Until now i thought he just set them up so they go to prison but if that sh*t is true thats really cold man! What do you guys think? Edited October 3, 2013 by Ogugua2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicluca Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Probably seeing as things were going smoothly without him. Michael had just met Franklin and they could've done heist after heist together but when Trevor showed up suddenly everything was about getting Merryweather of their backs and doing jobs for the FIB Seenyour31, Spurs_Nation28, fac316 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bambar Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 hahahah spoiler to peolpe who didnt play i demand this topic to be locked and op to jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virus.. Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 When you choose to Kill trevor...Michael starts talking how he felt about him and was glad he was dead... Ashelia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamtackey Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yes. Brad walked in front of Trevor when he got shot. The gun was aiming at Trevor. Michael thought that Trevor was too crazy and going to get him and anyone working with him killed, and not for no reason. Trevor is indeed dangerous, even when someone is helping him. Look at Floyd . He's a funny guy but will turn brutal at the drop of a hat. Michael wanted to get out of the life of robbery and to live with his family and he made a deal with Dave to "kill him" and Trevor. It's never specified what is supposed to happen to Brad. Take Trailer 1's dialogue and you get a lot of Michael's thoughts for doing what he did. He wanted to go to LS, buy a big house, and be a dad like all the other dads. Xenology, Ogugua2 and Staten 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogugua2 Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Wow, thx guys now I have more insight into the story! Deep Stuff!I agree that Trevor was very dangerous and you never knew when he would snap. But getting rid of him...he saved michaels life in NY, damn! well on the other hand i guess michael had his family to look after, so I kinda understand why he did what he did. Edited October 3, 2013 by Ogugua2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinobiFixer Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Trevor is misunderstood. Loyalty is what matters to him, he tells that sh*t to Franklin about how loyalty means the World. In the alternate endings Trevor didn't want any part of killing Michael.Now Michael on the other hand, was pumped up after killing Trevor. Talking all that sh*t. Even when you drop in on him he's an asshole to everyone except his family. His wife cheats on him and still takes her back.One last thing, when Franklin was in the FIB building and an explosion knocks him back. Franklin wakes up and Michael is on another level. He didn't help Franklin out, showing his true colors that he is all about himself.Michael is the gangster no one should aspire to be. Big house, fame, fortune, no one with a soul wants any of that. Well, except for the fortune. HisWharf, Xenology, Im2akillerfish and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spamtackey Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wow, thx guys now I have more insight into the story! Deep Stuff! I agree that Trevor was very dangerous and you never knew when he would snap. But getting rid of him...he saved michaels life in NY, damn! well on the other hand i guess michael had his family to look after, so it is kinda understand why he did what he did. The deal was in place before he did that though. Even then, he's the kind of guy who will help you and comfort you or even save you just to kill you later because he can. There is no guarantee with Trevor except I'd say where Michael is concerned. Trevor really feels a brotherly bond with Michael even as the story progresses. He doesn't go and kill him after finding out he's been in hiding for 10 years. No, he 'begrudgingly' helps Michael out with his family problems and then in the FIB matters even though he could just kill Michael and walk away. He never fires the shot in the graveyard to kill Michael and when he finds out that Franklin saved Michael he doesn't go finish the job himself. Heck, he agrees for them both to go their separate ways after the last heist rather than kill Michael. Considering how quickly he turned around and killed Floyd and Debora who haven't wronged him anywhere near as much as Michael... Xenology and Ashelia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinobiFixer Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Loyalty means the World to Trevor, hell, he even has a huge ass tattoo that says R.I.P. Michael. Xenology 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You can see it two ways: "Wrong guy got killed" - This could be Michael stating he was supposed to "die" during The North Yankton Heist thus allowing himself to live in peace as another person in Los Santos with his family. However, Brad got shot and killed during the Heist thus making Trevor have an incentive to move away from North Yankton and head out to Blaine County. Or, you can see it as Trevor was supposed to be killed during the heist. He was a loose cannon who caused death and destruction to everyone around him. Michael describes him as "hell walking on Earth" and you can see that nobody was supposed to die during the heist, as Michael comments to Trevor when he kills the security guard "You didn't need to do that!" or something along those lines. Michael wasn't going to take any chances and saw opportunity not only to escape away from stealing from banks but to protect his family as well. Trevor was dangerous especially seeing as Michael didn't want him anywhere near himself or his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzelfandQuilava Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Michael knew that if he had simply left the bank robbing behind, then Trevor would probably come back for him (and not in a friendly way), and he didn't want his family to die because of Trevor either. That's why he realised he had have him killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I saw the setup as Trevor was supposed to get killed, Brad was to get captured, and Michael gets "killed." Instead the only thing that went right was Michael getting shot. Brad accidentally got shot in the head and Trevor didn't even get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbatron Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Loyalty means the World to Trevor, hell, he even has a huge ass tattoo that says R.I.P. Michael. Understand where you are coming from, but I think it is not that straightforward. Wade and Ron are extremely loyal to Trevor, and yet he bullies them unmercifully, and gives them nothing back. More precisely, Trevor wants someone to look up to, who is more in control of his anger than he is, but still reasonably tough with it. Someone he wants to be more like himself. He hopes that person is Michael - which is why he finds the apparent betrayal so difficult to deal with, and ultimately, is willing to forgive if ending C plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipakolonyasi Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Loyalty means the World to Trevor, hell, he even has a huge ass tattoo that says R.I.P. Michael. Understand where you are coming from, but I think it is not that straightforward. Wade and Ron are extremely loyal to Trevor, and yet he bullies them unmercifully, and gives them nothing back. More precisely, Trevor wants someone to look up to, who is more in control of his anger than he is, but still reasonably tough with it. Someone he wants to be more like himself. He hopes that person is Michael - which is why he finds the apparent betrayal so difficult to deal with, and ultimately, is willing to forgive if ending C plays out i think it's very straightforwardly "Loyalty means the world to Trevor.". Trevor isn't a man who thinks about these stuff to every detail. if anything look at how he doesn't leave Michael and fights police in North Yankton in the first mission. ShinobiFixer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Robotnik Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) It does seem like Trevor was supposed to take the bullet that hit Brad, but he would have been killed in the shoot-out anyway if Michael hadn't begged him to run and save himself instead of dying by his side. The impression I got was that Michael never really wanted Trevor to die, and he lost what little nerve he had when Dave hit the wrong person. So even though it never comes up, Michael himself is partially to blame for the set-up not panning out, because his heart wasn't in it. Edited June 4, 2014 by Dr. Robotnik Spurs_Nation28 and IllRhythm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Cowboy Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I still don't get the anti-Michael sentiment. I think people go against him just because of that whole "snitches get stitches" wannabe-tough guy street thug mentality. - He was protecting his family and getting them a fresh start WITH all his money (somehow.) - The deal didn't affect Trevor or really Brad, since Brad was already dead. - The only people that call Michael a traitor is Trevor out of some need for a BS plot point so they can be antagonistic toward each other, and make ending B even slightly less irrational. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Trevor, but if you go around kidnapping, hitting, verbally abusing, molesting, and killing people who lend you a hand, am I really supposed to feel sorry for you after the ten thousandth "fuk u mikeul u betreigh meee!111" line? It seems like the only options were Michael going to jail, abandoning his family, Brad being dead, and Trevor being pissed, or Michael getting his family a new life, Brad being dead, and Trevor being pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViceCityStalker Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Michael was acting like a straight up busta!I guess he thought he was BIg Smoke homi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Robotnik Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I still don't get the anti-Michael sentiment. I think people go against him just because of that whole "snitches get stitches" wannabe-tough guy street thug mentality. - He was protecting his family and getting them a fresh start WITH all his money (somehow.) - The deal didn't affect Trevor or really Brad, since Brad was already dead. - The only people that call Michael a traitor is Trevor out of some need for a BS plot point so they can be antagonistic toward each other, and make ending B even slightly less irrational. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Trevor, but if you go around kidnapping, hitting, verbally abusing, molesting, and killing people who lend you a hand, am I really supposed to feel sorry for you after the ten thousandth "fuk u mikeul u betreigh meee!111" line? It seems like the only options were Michael going to jail, abandoning his family, Brad being dead, and Trevor being pissed, or Michael getting his family a new life, Brad being dead, and Trevor being pissed. I agree with you on most of this, but Michael set up the deal before the Ludendorff job. He walked Trevor and Brad into an ambush; that's why he told them to "stick to the plan" when Trevor wanted to take a different route to the chopper. Brad wasn't supposed to be the one who got killed, either; that was meant to be Trevor. Even when Brad got shot, Trevor would still have died if he stayed with Michael shooting the cops, but Michael told him to run because he didn't really want him to die, at least not that way. Unless by "Brad was already dead", you mean "Trevor would have killed him eventually anyway, like he says to Franklin if they hang out after Ending C", in which case never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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