Should R* Be Held Responsible? -

[JohnGazman]

Love that there are people voting no. Who the f*ck else should be held responsible.

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

You're correct, anyone can express any opinion on anything...but some are more valued than others, aren't they? I could ask my doctor why im getting, for example, headaches, and I could also ask a taxi driver. They would both have an opinion, but one would be more valuable to me. (It would be the doctors btw, hope you picked up on that). But if, for example, I wanted to know the fastest route to the airport, maybe I might value the taxi drivers opinion more. I hope I've made my point.

 

Same with this, I trust the judgements made by the developers and marketing people, who made this the biggest game EVER, more than the opinions of random internet morons like you guys.

 

 

Well I do like to believe myself that consumers' opinions are actually valuable to businesses.

 

As a student of business however, you have given me the knowledge that if I ever start my own business I should not value customer/consumer opinions, rather, I should hire those with the relevant experience to tell me how good my product/service is.

 

 

Exactly. My wisdom is there for those who choose to listen. You're welcome.

[Captain Revenge]

Make 1st DLC packed with military and civilian aircraft and vehicles, make it less difficult to attack ft zancudo even in free roam the fort should be guarded by bots. Then for F'ing up the past 2 days make that DLC a free download to retail copies of the game on PS3 and XBOX. That would b a start to the road of fan forgiveness.

[M0nsterSkillz]

Who else is to blame ? Ourselves ?

 

They're the manufacturers who are responsible for THEIR products, whoever thinks otherwise are a complete retard!

[Paradoxical]

 

Exactly. My wisdom is there for those who choose to listen. You're welcome.

 

 

 

Thank you, I really appreciate that you, an omniscient being with such valuable knowledge regarding business has come here to enlighten us peasants. Now we know, we all know that no form of marketing research is ever needed when conducting business on such a large scale, since well.. consumer opinions just don't matter.

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

Exactly. My wisdom is there for those who choose to listen. You're welcome.

 

 

 

Thank you, I really appreciate that you, an omniscient being with such valuable knowledge regarding business has come here to enlighten us peasants. Now we know, we all know that no form of marketing research is ever needed when conducting business on such a large scale, since well.. consumer opinions just don't matter.

 

 

Ahhhhh, this is my point...at no point did I claim to have "valuable knowledge regarding business", I don't, I just love computer games....it just amuses me when randominternetforumdouchebags give advice to companies like Rockstar or Take-Two on their business practices...unless you didnt notice, they just made £1 Billion bucks in 3 days off of one computer game.....it's the arrogant nature of people thinking their opinion is valuable/valid/needed, although, I suppose, this is the internet generation, everyone thinks they have something worthwhile to say.

 

Tell you what, send your CV off to Rockstar, Im sure they'll be very impressed to receive a resume from a "business student" (LOL), so give it a shot.

 

BUT I KINDA THINK THEY'RE DOING ALRIGHT WITHOUT YOU MAN

Edited October 2, 2013 by Varios Los Aztecas

[blackbriar]

 

 

Exactly. My wisdom is there for those who choose to listen. You're welcome.

Thank you, I really appreciate that you, an omniscient being with such valuable knowledge regarding business has come here to enlighten us peasants. Now we know, we all know that no form of marketing research is ever needed when conducting business on such a large scale, since well.. consumer opinions just don't matter.

 

Ahhhhh, this is my point...at no point did I claim to have "valuable knowledge regarding business", I don't, I just love computer games....it just amuses me when randominternetforumdouchebags give advice to companies like Rockstar or Take-Two on their business practices...unless you didnt notice, they just made £1 Billion bucks in 3 days off of one computer game.....it's the arrogant nature of people thinking their opinion is valuable/valid/needed, although, I suppose, this is the internet generation, everyone thinks they have something worthwhile to say.

 

Tell you what, send your CV off to Rockstar, Im sure they'll be very impressed to receive a resume from a "business student" (LOL), so give it a shot.

 

BUT I KINDA THINK THEY'RE DOING ALRIGHT WITHOUT YOU MAN

 

 

So what do you do for a living?

[Paradoxical]

 

Ahhhhh, this is my point...at no point did I claim to have "valuable knowledge regarding business", I don't, I just love computer games....it just amuses me when randominternetforumdouchebags give advice to companies like Rockstar or Take-Two on their business practices...unless you didnt notice, they just made £1 Billion bucks in 3 days off of one computer game.....it's the arrogant nature of people thinking their opinion is valuable/valid/needed.

 

I THINK THEY'RE DOING ALRIGHT WITHOUT YOU MAN

 

My opinion had no intention of lecturing Take Two on their business activity. My opinion is my opinion, and the fact you think it's irrelevant just because I'm a consumer makes you a f*cking retard. You lectured us on business when you now admit you have no knowledge regarding it.

 

It's arrogant people like you who think their opinion is factual. By the way, it was $, not £. Maybe you should check your facts.

 

Love how you edit your replies. You're pathetic.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Paradoxical

[Sinned_]

After wasting minutes of my life looking through those arguments, it wasn't to my expectations.

 

OT: Yes, they are responsible for their online services. They had 2 weeks to prepare for the masses trying to connect and they didn't prepare at all. Rockstar said that they had no idea that many people would be trying to connect, which is total bullsh*t - how can a company make $1 billion in 3 days of launch and expect to have small amounts of players trying the online? It's stupid and poor business practice.

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

 

 

Exactly. My wisdom is there for those who choose to listen. You're welcome.

 

 

 

Thank you, I really appreciate that you, an omniscient being with such valuable knowledge regarding business has come here to enlighten us peasants. Now we know, we all know that no form of marketing research is ever needed when conducting business on such a large scale, since well.. consumer opinions just don't matter.

 

 

Ahhhhh, this is my point...at no point did I claim to have "valuable knowledge regarding business", I don't, I just love computer games....it just amuses me when randominternetforumdouchebags give advice to companies like Rockstar or Take-Two on their business practices...unless you didnt notice, they just made £1 Billion bucks in 3 days off of one computer game.....it's the arrogant nature of people thinking their opinion is valuable/valid/needed.

 

I THINK THEY'RE DOING ALRIGHT WITHOUT YOU MAN

 

My opinion had no intention of lecturing Take Two on their business activity. My opinion is my opinion, and the fact you think it's irrelevant just because I'm a consumer makes you a f*cking retard. You lectured us on business when you now admit you have no knowledge regarding it.

 

It's arrogant people like you who think their opinion is factual.

 

 

No, I think your opinion is worthless because you're an idiot, not because you're a "consumer" (btw, we're all consumers, welcome to the internet).

 

And, again, at no point did I claim to know anything about developing, marketing or distributing a product like this....you're the one doing that, you're the one dishing out the advice to Rockstar/TakeTwo, the companies behind the biggest entertainment release EVER!

 

"business student" - LOL

 

Ok ok ok, what would you have done to ensure the smooth, faultless roll-out of GTA Online? Let''s hear your business plan, then we can forward it onto Rockstar, see what they say?

Edited October 2, 2013 by Varios Los Aztecas

[giraffeboy]

People need to put down the pitchforks ffs, they're responsible for the online launch date not going as smoothly as we'd like, not the f*cking holocaust. Everyone acting hysterical and swearing off R* forever, who are you kidding? They're gonna release DLC, microtransactions and everything else, and you're all eagerly gonna open your wallets anyway, probably bitching about it at the same time, but still. Have a little patience, within a week it'll all be working fine. R* even said there'd be teething problems, so get a little fresh air, calm down and try it in a day or two.

[Phyxsius-]

 

 

Ok ok ok, what would you have done to ensure the smooth, faultless roll-out of GTA Online? Let''s hear your business plan, then we can forward it onto Rockstar, see what they say?

 

Isn`t it obvious? Buy 10 million servers!

 

Seriously, everybody and their dog comes in here and says "moar servers nao!!!!", which would be hysterically funny if it wouldn`t be such a tragic sign of intelligence.. or lack of. My momma told me that if I don`t know something about the subject at hand, I should shut the f*ck up. But not everybody got to have such a smart momma...

[Paradoxical]

No, I think your opinion is worthless because you're an idiot, not because you're a "consumer" (btw, we're all consumers, welcome to the internet).

 

And, again, at no point did I claim to know anything about developing, marketing or distributing a product like this....you're the one doing that, you're the one dishing out the advice to Rockstar/TakeTwo, the companies behind the biggest entertainment release EVER!

 

"business student" - LOL

 

Ok ok ok, what would you have done to ensure the smooth, faultless roll-out of GTA Online? Let''s hear your business plan, then we can forward it onto Rockstar, see what they say?

 

 

Like I said, you're a pathetic, arrogant asshole. Firstly, you cannot criticise me on being a student. Yes, I am studying business, please, do tell me why that is so laughable at? Also, I only mentioned this when you claimed that it's a fact that in the world of business, consumers don't matter. They aren't valuable.

 

Secondly, at no point did I claim I knew anything about business strategy, marketing or developing. I, like many other on this forum was giving my opinion about the matter, and how in my eyes Take Two have majorly f*cked up. Anyone can say that. Yet you're here asking us to tell you how they could've done it better because you apparently can judge our answers. So, you are claiming to know more than any of us here.

 

You trying to be a smartass over here impresses nobody. Oh, you think you won an argument on the internet because one user said he can't be bothered to argue with you? Congratulations!

Edited October 2, 2013 by Paradoxical

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

 

Ok ok ok, what would you have done to ensure the smooth, faultless roll-out of GTA Online? Let''s hear your business plan, then we can forward it onto Rockstar, see what they say?

 

Isn`t it obvious? Buy 10 million servers!

 

Seriously, everybody and their dog comes in here and says "moar servers nao!!!!", which would be hysterically funny if it wouldn`t be such a tragic sign of intelligence.. or lack of. My momma told me that if I don`t know something about the subject at hand, I should shut the f*ck up. But not everybody got to have such a smart momma...

 

 

Exactly. This is just the spoiled, pampered internet generation, where everyone feels they have something important to say, and they can't understand why no one takes notice of them.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Varios Los Aztecas

[EncryptedReality]

My state of the game:

 

[El Tel]

Look, this isn't the 'should Rockstar listen to the opinions of consumers,' thread, it's the 'should Rockstar be held responsible,' thread and the simple fact is that they have no legal obligation to provide you with a working service in regards to GTAO whatsoever.

 

Seen as you all seem to be so interested in credentials, let me tell you that I own and run my own photography and graphic design business and I deal with licensing on a daily basis. A licence of the game is all we own and it states quite clearly:

 

"Licensor may limit, suspend, or terminate the license granted hereunder and access to the Software, including, but not limited to, any related services and products, at any time without notice for any reason whatsoever."

 

http://www.rockstargames.com/eula

 

We all agreed to this when we handed over our money, you might not like it but that is tough sh*t. Giving your opinions is one thing, trying to 'hold them responsible,' is quite another and it will get you nowhere.

 

It's just a game, how bad can waiting a few days at most really hurt?

[CReaper210]

Of course they are responsible, they are the developers. But with that said, this was all expected.

I'm not specifically defending Rockstar, but all developers who launch multiplayer on any given day. With this much stress on your servers, no matter how much preparation or the amount of servers they have, it will break down.

People are saying they should've been prepared, or should already have it fixed, etc. Well, that is simply not possible. Anyone who honestly expected this to go smoothly, with literally MILLIONS of people logging on their servers at the same time, are naive.

[pariah87]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

phagthread

How I feel exactly.

[jarnotjee]

 

 

 

So what do you know about conducting business, and marketing/shipping the biggest computer game of all time? Just trying to fathom what kind of experience you have, thats all. So shoot, gimme your resume......

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry, you need knowledge on something to have an opinion? No. Anyone can have an opinion on something regardless.

 

The knowledge of consumers or their experience of conducting business on such a large scale is really not relevant. The matter of the fact is bad decisions were obviously made, and seeing as R* see online of as the future of the GTA series to me, makes it worse.

 

 

You're correct, anyone can express any opinion on anything...but some are more valued than others, aren't they? I could ask my doctor why im getting, for example, headaches, and I could also ask a taxi driver. They would both have an opinion, but one would be more valuable to me. (It would be the doctors btw, hope you picked up on that). But if, for example, I wanted to know the fastest route to the airport, maybe I might value the taxi drivers opinion more. I hope I've made my point.

 

Same with this, I trust the judgements made by the developers and marketing people, who made this the biggest game EVER, more than the opinions of random internet morons like you guys.

 

Isn't it bedtime yet?

[Pinnkiepie]

[TaazR]

LMAO I can't believe how many retarded fanboys voted 'No'. Like seriously, how much R* cock can you suck?

 

R* had years to prepare for this (I can see now that the delay wasn't for single player), and they even threw in an extra 2 weeks. They made $1 billion (and they were a multi-billion dollar company to begin with) so obviously they can afford great servers. It's their service that is failing, and therefore they should be held FULLY responsible. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

[El Tel]

LMAO I can't believe how many retarded fanboys voted 'No'. Like seriously, how much R* cock can you suck?

 

R* had years to prepare for this (I can see now that the delay wasn't for single player), and they even threw in an extra 2 weeks. They made $1 billion (and they were a multi-billion dollar company to begin with) so obviously they can afford great servers. It's their service that is failing, and therefore they should be held FULLY responsible. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

Please check your "facts," against the EULA evidence I posted previously before continuing to spew your nonsense over the forum.

[Varios Los Aztecas]

 

 

 

 

So what do you know about conducting business, and marketing/shipping the biggest computer game of all time? Just trying to fathom what kind of experience you have, thats all. So shoot, gimme your resume......

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry, you need knowledge on something to have an opinion? No. Anyone can have an opinion on something regardless.

 

The knowledge of consumers or their experience of conducting business on such a large scale is really not relevant. The matter of the fact is bad decisions were obviously made, and seeing as R* see online of as the future of the GTA series to me, makes it worse.

 

 

You're correct, anyone can express any opinion on anything...but some are more valued than others, aren't they? I could ask my doctor why im getting, for example, headaches, and I could also ask a taxi driver. They would both have an opinion, but one would be more valuable to me. (It would be the doctors btw, hope you picked up on that). But if, for example, I wanted to know the fastest route to the airport, maybe I might value the taxi drivers opinion more. I hope I've made my point.

 

Same with this, I trust the judgements made by the developers and marketing people, who made this the biggest game EVER, more than the opinions of random internet morons like you guys.

 

Isn't it bedtime yet?

 

 

Not yet, got a lecture to go to.

 

 

LMAO I can't believe how many retarded fanboys voted 'No'. Like seriously, how much R* cock can you suck?

 

R* had years to prepare for this (I can see now that the delay wasn't for single player), and they even threw in an extra 2 weeks. They made $1 billion (and they were a multi-billion dollar company to begin with) so obviously they can afford great servers. It's their service that is failing, and therefore they should be held FULLY responsible. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

 

How are you gonna hold them responsible then Mr Lawyer man?

[Gaunty]

Every large, cloud/server based multiplayer game has issues when it kicks off. CoD, MMO's and so on are no different. Rockstar naturally are to blame, as it's their game. But to be honest, they shouldn't be crucified over it as it's happened to PLENTY of other companies.

Give them a f*cking chance and they'll fix the issues.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Gaunty

[Whacks Tadpole]

I still cant believe the audacity of you little turds that are complaining. GTA Online is a rather extensive FREE add-on that R* put a lot of time and effort into creating. You truly are entitled f*ckwits.

You got and ENTIRE gta game please dont forget. Infact the BIGGEST gta ever released. R* didnt have to make an online experience for us, and they certainly didnt have to give it to us at no extra cost.

You whiney little sh*t eaters dont deserve GTA Online, so throw away your consoles and go and play with Lego. Be sure to choke on the little pieces.

[TaazR]

 

LMAO I can't believe how many retarded fanboys voted 'No'. Like seriously, how much R* cock can you suck?

 

R* had years to prepare for this (I can see now that the delay wasn't for single player), and they even threw in an extra 2 weeks. They made $1 billion (and they were a multi-billion dollar company to begin with) so obviously they can afford great servers. It's their service that is failing, and therefore they should be held FULLY responsible. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

Please check your "facts," against the EULA evidence I posted previously before continuing to spew your nonsense over the forum.

 

Legally, they don't have to do anything obviously. But we're talking about 'responsibility' here, not legal matters:

re·spon·si·bil·i·ty

/riˌspänsəˈbilətē/

Noun

1. The state or fact of having a duty to deal with something.
2. The state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something.

 

So are you trying to tell me R* isn't to blame for the poor services they are providing? Bitch please.

[Xavier Horovitz]

No, and anyone voting 'yes' is astronomically retarded.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Xavier Horovitz

[jarnotjee]

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you know about conducting business, and marketing/shipping the biggest computer game of all time? Just trying to fathom what kind of experience you have, thats all. So shoot, gimme your resume......

 

 

Oh, I'm sorry, you need knowledge on something to have an opinion? No. Anyone can have an opinion on something regardless.

 

The knowledge of consumers or their experience of conducting business on such a large scale is really not relevant. The matter of the fact is bad decisions were obviously made, and seeing as R* see online of as the future of the GTA series to me, makes it worse.

 

 

You're correct, anyone can express any opinion on anything...but some are more valued than others, aren't they? I could ask my doctor why im getting, for example, headaches, and I could also ask a taxi driver. They would both have an opinion, but one would be more valuable to me. (It would be the doctors btw, hope you picked up on that). But if, for example, I wanted to know the fastest route to the airport, maybe I might value the taxi drivers opinion more. I hope I've made my point.

 

Same with this, I trust the judgements made by the developers and marketing people, who made this the biggest game EVER, more than the opinions of random internet morons like you guys.

 

Isn't it bedtime yet?

 

 

Not yet, got a lecture to go to.

On my little pony, I guess? Please stop being such a dick to everyone..

[Varios Los Aztecas]

Please stop being such a dick to everyone..

 

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[xX-EmptyClip-Xx]

Expect buggy launches of big titles that sell millions, of course . Expect a completely broken release and still completely broken on day 2 not so much....