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universetwisters

U.S. Government shuts down Smithsonian

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The Smithsonian closed its doors Tuesday as parts of the federal government shut down after Congress failed to reach an agreement on spending, All Smithsonian museums, as well as the National Zoo in Washington, have closed until further notice.

 

Tuesday's shutdown affects all 18 Smithsonian organizations in Washington -- including the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden and the Air and Space Museum -- and two in New York. In addition, national monuments were also in the process of closing on Tuesday, according to reports.

 

On Monday, the Senate rejected the latest budget proposal from the House of Representatives. The fiscal standoff stems in large part from Republican attempts to block President Obama's healthcare initiative.

 

Link - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-smithsonian-federal-government-shutdown-20131001,0,164684.story

 

It's a shame that the Smithsonian shut down, and they haven't said anything about when it'll reopen. I mean, sh*t. My dad and I would go there all the way from Alexandria every now and then to see the national museum of American history and stuff, and now it seems like it's closed until the governments gets its sh*t together.

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LibertyKing

Everything is closed: The Statue of Liberty, the Washington Monument and every park, monument, museum, memorial and other landmarks are closed. The government didn't pay it's bill.

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Finn 7 five 11

They will reopen eventually when the government organizes its finances/lack of.

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K^2

*Puts on his conspiracy foil hat.*

 

What if, and I know that this is a stretch, but what if the certain democratic nutjobs are right? What if the Rep. party really is being manipulated by a Tea Party minority with a definite agenda? Republicans want less government, but the Tea Party, allegedly, wants no government. Presumably a loose Confederation would suit them fine.

 

So what if that's the plan? Think about it. Government is closed at the brink of running into debt cap. Either one can be weathered, but when combined, it is the perfect storm. When the debt limit is reached, with government closed, the government defaults. Forget international ramifications. Every Federal employee will be left without pay. This means President and Congress. And I can maybe see enough of them pulling together, but also the entire Police force of DC will be out. Most of emergency services. Transportation. A little push and DC will become a no-man-land. Government will close. Not just reduced to essentials, but well and proper done. Not because of a war, or revolt, or even general public choice, but because government itself could not agree on how to run itself.

 

*Takes off foil hat.*

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Mr. Scratch

Perfect place for a diamond deal.

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Melchior

*Puts on his conspiracy foil hat.*

 

What if, and I know that this is a stretch, but what if the certain democratic nutjobs are right? What if the Rep. party really is being manipulated by a Tea Party minority with a definite agenda? Republicans want less government, but the Tea Party, allegedly, wants no government. Presumably a loose Confederation would suit them fine.

 

So what if that's the plan? Think about it. Government is closed at the brink of running into debt cap. Either one can be weathered, but when combined, it is the perfect storm. When the debt limit is reached, with government closed, the government defaults. Forget international ramifications. Every Federal employee will be left without pay. This means President and Congress. And I can maybe see enough of them pulling together, but also the entire Police force of DC will be out. Most of emergency services. Transportation. A little push and DC will become a no-man-land. Government will close. Not just reduced to essentials, but well and proper done. Not because of a war, or revolt, or even general public choice, but because government itself could not agree on how to run itself.

 

*Takes off foil hat.*

I thought they were just trying to annoy the Democrats until they agree to "compromise on Obamacare" or some stupid thing?

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K^2

If you are a minority group within GoP pushing an anti-government agenda, wouldn't that make just a perfect pretext to convince the rest of the party to vote this way?

 

*Takes off foil hat again.*

 

Where did that come from?

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Melchior

Assuming I'm not being trolled: I think it's that the GOP view the healthcare legislation as a huge symbolic victory for the Democrats. Basically, they think it's the line between "glorious, holy, capitalist empire" and "destitute, neo-soviet wasteland" and America cannot be allowed to cross it.

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K^2

Not even half of these people are so deluded. Some of them might be trying to appeal to people who are a bit too much, but politics is not somewhere that you can get without some understanding of tactics, or at least being puppet figure for someone who does. Point is, symbolic victories are only meaningful if they get you votes, and GoP ratings are in the gutter over the whole situation. There are bigger birds in the air.

 

Now, I am the first to admit that plotting to dissolve the government is out there. It would be a very long shot with too many risks and questionable gains. But then again, the very reason that politics seems so crazy is the so many heads looking so many ways. So there is no telling how far out there some of the plans might be. Still, a more reasonable possibility is that the budget crisis is merely used as a threat. But it is not about Obama being too socialist, or whatever. If they force Dems to yield, it looks bad for Obama and the party. 2016 PotUS election would be almost in the bag, and GoP would look pretty good, especially with them pushing for financing of many parts of budget. (Veterans, some medical stuff, etc.) This is a win-win for Rep since either Dems vote for, and Reps pass budget piecemeal, or Dems vote against and look like assholes. So far, Democrats went with the later.

 

It is also a big risk, however. If Reps are forced to yield, they are done for 2014 House and Senate elections, giving Dems total control for 2 years. Democrats know that, so what we are seeing right now is the political equivalent of the game of chicken.

 

But maybe, just maybe, it is only meant to look like a big bluff to lure the democrats into a total disaster. :p

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Darth Yokel

Why does anything have to be shut down? All those services could function perfectly fine for years without those assholes in the government. Is there even a law that says that anything have to be shut down?

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K^2

Yes. Money must come from somewhere. Fed pays the bills. Only what is in the budget gets payed. This is actually outlined in Constitution with a bunch of federal laws getting into specifics.

 

But more importantly, there is more money being spent by Fed than they make in tax revenue. Which means that Fed is actually running up the tab whose limit is set by the Fed. That's the debt ceiling. And even with everything shutting down the ceiling will be reached in about 2 weeks. Then Fed will have no money to pay for anything.

 

Of course, on State level the picture is different, and the slack would be picked up with local taxes. In fact, I think everyone would be shocked how little things change should the Fed collapse. At least, in the short term.

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Raavi

Don't forget about the panda cam! This 'shutdown' is a joke. What about the military, medicare, social security payments, ATC? Just to name a few. If you're going to force a shutdown, then do an actual government shutdown. But they won't, because they know within a few hours all hell would break loose.

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na89340qv0n34b09q340

In my economics class there's this suburban anarchist who says anti-government stuff just for fun. Today's report: "Yup, the government was shut down yesterday. First they lost money for the national monuments, then the museums, next is gonna be the CIA and FBI, and then the schools are going to shut down, and then the police are going to go down. And when it gets to that point I'm gonna be out there looting stuff; just get a truck, keep a guy with a gun at my house, and loot sh*t. People we won't kill unless we have to, but if they get in our way it'll be fine."

 

In case you haven't looked it up, here are the departments and whatnot that are being affected by the shutdown. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013#Effect_on_federal_government_operations) They're the ones deemed "unnecessary" like researchers and food/drug testers. :/ Hopefully they'll be back up within a couple weeks or so...

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I<3GTAV

Does anyone have a list of the monuments that have been shut down? I can't seem to find one.

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Melchior

Not even half of these people are so deluded. Some of them might be trying to appeal to people who are a bit too much, but politics is not somewhere that you can get without some understanding of tactics, or at least being puppet figure for someone who does. Point is, symbolic victories are only meaningful if they get you votes, and GoP ratings are in the gutter over the whole situation. There are bigger birds in the air.

 

Now, I am the first to admit that plotting to dissolve the government is out there. It would be a very long shot with too many risks and questionable gains. But then again, the very reason that politics seems so crazy is the so many heads looking so many ways. So there is no telling how far out there some of the plans might be. Still, a more reasonable possibility is that the budget crisis is merely used as a threat. But it is not about Obama being too socialist, or whatever. If they force Dems to yield, it looks bad for Obama and the party. 2016 PotUS election would be almost in the bag, and GoP would look pretty good, especially with them pushing for financing of many parts of budget. (Veterans, some medical stuff, etc.) This is a win-win for Rep since either Dems vote for, and Reps pass budget piecemeal, or Dems vote against and look like assholes. So far, Democrats went with the later.

 

It is also a big risk, however. If Reps are forced to yield, they are done for 2014 House and Senate elections, giving Dems total control for 2 years. Democrats know that, so what we are seeing right now is the political equivalent of the game of chicken.

 

But maybe, just maybe, it is only meant to look like a big bluff to lure the democrats into a total disaster. :p

I think you are giving these lunatics too much credit.

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RoadRunner71

It's a conspiracy!

 

Nah, but it's ironical how has always been said that the American president is the most powerful man on Earth while, actually, he has the nuts grabbed by the opposition and third parties...

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lil weasel

Does anyone have a list of the monuments that have been shut down? I can't seem to find one.

Try ALL. That's why there is no list.

 

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