The Infinite 8 mystery

[HakatoX]

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!!

[jackcraig549]

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!!

Thanks. soz for wasting your time.

[HakatoX]

 

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!!

Thanks. soz for wasting your time.

 

Srry for being a dick.

The uprising of new users is making many of us having to go back to square one to explain it all over again.

[jackcraig549]

 

 

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!!!!

Thanks. soz for wasting your time.

 

Srry for being a dick.

The uprising of new users is making many of us having to go back to square one to explain it all over again.

 

I understand. I will research before I post next time.

[ll rdny ll]

I think the real killer is still out there. Why would a neighbor put that "Wrong 'Un" message on the back of the house?

 

The message is written so that it is clearly visible from the roof-deck behind the burnt out house. If it was a message to the Infinity Killer, it would be posted for all to see. Merle was a victim of mistaken identity, and the fact that he never confessed adds support to that. From what we know of the Infinity killer, he's proud of his work and would flaunt it.

 

There is the small matter of the message written inside the prison, but it wouldn't be that hard for someone to gain access to a guard outfit and trick the other guards. I mean, how many times do Trevor/Michael/Franklin do it during the story?

 

I don't know if the evidence exists to figure this mystery out fully, but I have a very strong feeling that what we think we know about this case, is wrong.

[HakatoX]

Thank you!!!

I am glad someone else thinks so.

Also the Hash marks in his house...

It marks 10

[JayHairston]

Would you guys hurry up and solve this so I can get back to doing actual work please and thank you!

[AnEvilVet]

I think the real killer is still out there. Why would a neighbor put that "Wrong 'Un" message on the back of the house?

 

The message is written so that it is clearly visible from the roof-deck behind the burnt out house. If it was a message to the Infinity Killer, it would be posted for all to see. Merle was a victim of mistaken identity, and the fact that he never confessed adds support to that. From what we know of the Infinity killer, he's proud of his work and would flaunt it.

 

There is the small matter of the message written inside the prison, but it wouldn't be that hard for someone to gain access to a guard outfit and trick the other guards. I mean, how many times do Trevor/Michael/Franklin do it during the story?

 

I don't know if the evidence exists to figure this mystery out fully, but I have a very strong feeling that what we think we know about this case, is wrong.

 

The neighbour put that message on Merle's house as a message to Merle. They knew he was odd and probably suspected he had done something bad so graffitied his house.

 

Merle never confessed but he was sent to prison for the crime and it turns out that there's a message at the prison. He did admit to an obsession with the number 8 which we know is the root of the Infinity Killers obsession.

 

Merle is the killer and did flaunt it by writing messages on rocks where they would be discovered, as well as writing many messages in his own house.

 

Plus after his house is burnt down he moved to the camp for the homeless on the northern coast, close to the dumping ground for the bodies. Unless the killer was someone else who was stalking Merle, it must be him. Things can be as cut and dry and as simple as this guys, there's no need to overcomplicate them.

[HakatoX]

wow, ppl cant even hope?

[AnEvilVet]

wow, ppl cant even hope?

 

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

[Bongwatre]

Still don't think that this is fully solved
Sure we know who did it and what drove him to it but there still remains a lot of unanswered questions. What exactly made him go crazy over the number 8? Why would R* make this puzzle if all we find out is there's some bodies underwater? Why can't we interact with the bodies? Doesn't make sense and we have the right to speculate and investigate further.
If this is a problem for you AnEvilVet, may I suggest removing this thread since it is a place to discuss things having to do with the Infinite 8 mystery?
If we can not theorize out own thoughts here, without you becoming a tyrant, simply remove it so someone else can start a new thread to carry on further discussion regarding this manner.
Since there are a few people wanting to talk about this without you shooting them down.

[HakatoX]

 

wow, ppl cant even hope?

 

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

 

Aren't you ignoring the hash marks making 10 when there is only 8 bodies?

The different types of handwriting, Things I pointed out before....

You think it's solved, I don't.

I don't choose to ignore anything, you have.

Until all questions are answered... Without assuming or speculating.

I cannot 100% believe Merle did it.

Edited November 27, 2013 by HakatoX

[AnEvilVet]

 

 

wow, ppl cant even hope?

 

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

 

Aren't you ignoring the hash marks making 10 when there is only 8 bodies?

The different types of handwriting, Things I pointed out before....

You think it's solved, I don't.

I don't choose to ignore anything, you have.

Until all questions are answered... Without assuming or speculating.

I cannot 100% believe Merle did it.

 

 

The hash marks were him counting off how many people he had killed. He'd counted to five three seperate times. There is no way to know if he is counting off the bodies of people he had killed or something else, but the evidence shows that he only killed 8 people. The article says 8 male joggers were missing and there are 8 bodies in the water.

 

There are two different sets of handwriting. The handwriting in the house and on the rocks is the same, that's Merle's handwriting. The handwriting on the rear of the house is that of someone else, likely one of Merle's neighbours.

 

 

 

Still don't think that this is fully solved

Sure we know who did it and what drove him to it but there still remains a lot of unanswered questions. What exactly made him go crazy over the number 8? Why would R* make this puzzle if all we find out is there's some bodies underwater? Why can't we interact with the bodies? Doesn't make sense and we have the right to speculate and investigate further.

If this is a problem for you AnEvilVet, may I suggest removing this thread since it is a place to discuss things having to do with the Infinite 8 mystery?

If we can not theorize out own thoughts here, without you becoming a tyrant, simply remove it so someone else can start a new thread to carry on further discussion regarding this manner.

Since there are a few people wanting to talk about this without you shooting them down.

 

You still don't think it's fully solved? Why? All of the clues and evidence that exist in the game have been found and sometimes, just sometimes, you have to fill the gaps in yourself.

 

What made him go crazy? Probably the toxic water nearby getting into the groundwater and affecting him mentally.

Why did Rockstar make this? Because it adds a further sense of depth to the gameworld and also because it's a reference to one of the myths of GTA San Andreas which said that there was a serial killer in the game. Rockstar have provided us with actual easter eggs of all of the myths from GTA SA in GTA V and the serial killer egg is just one of them.

 

Why can't you interact with the bodies? You can't interact with any dead bodies in the game, neither the ones in the morgue or the ones you kill yourself. They are there to add conclusion to the easter egg. Merle did kill these people and nothing happened. He was mentally ill and paid the price.

 

Just because you want more out of the easter egg doesn't mean that it exists or that you need to force youurself to try and eke more out of it. Sometimes things are just as they appear and there is nothing more to them. Just imagine you not reading this guide to the mystery, you're the person who puts this together step by step by yourself. How fascinating and wonderful that feeling is, to explore this game world and find these creepy things.

 

Of course it doesn't look like a lot when you just read the step-by-step guide but it's very in depth as it is.

 

I would absolutely love it if you find more clues in game, like the very recent discovery of the 8 on the bin in the homeless camp, but please just base your theories around the evidence you can find in the game, that's what everything else here is based upon.

 

I apologise if I look like a tyrant, I'm not trying to come across that way. I just don't want you wasting your time in making wild guesses and assumptions when everything to do with this mystery was taken from things that appear within the game. I would suggest you look for additional clues in the homeless camp, the motel at Sandy Shores and also the park at the northern tip of the island as these were areas that Merle may have frequented further.

 

Good luck with the search!

[ll rdny ll]

 

wow, ppl cant even hope?

 

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

I am not grasping at straws. Sure the story you've invented sounds good on paper, but why would the neighbor put a message on the back of the house, where its only visible from the roof-deck of the house behind the burnt out onE.

 

I understand being proud of a creation. Trust me. But that's all it is, it's something you've invented to fit things that have been found within the game. You can't be sure, and you can't say its completely solved until its undeniable.

 

Any neighbor, no matter how disgusted or angry they are, would write such a message out in the open. Where the world can see. Someone with something to hide, such as the killer, would put it on the back of the house, where the neighbor would be the only one likely to see.

 

I'm sorry to poke holes in your little storybook, but things don't add up. There are clues to be found, I don't know where to begin, but they're out there.

[AnEvilVet]

 

 

wow, ppl cant even hope?

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

I am not grasping at straws. Sure the story you've invented sounds good on paper, but why would the neighbor put a message on the back of the house, where its only visible from the roof-deck of the house behind the burnt out onE.

 

I understand being proud of a creation. Trust me. But that's all it is, it's something you've invented to fit things that have been found within the game. You can't be sure, and you can't say its completely solved until its undeniable.

 

Any neighbor, no matter how disgusted or angry they are, would write such a message out in the open. Where the world can see. Someone with something to hide, such as the killer, would put it on the back of the house, where the neighbor would be the only one likely to see.

 

I'm sorry to poke holes in your little storybook, but things don't add up. There are clues to be found, I don't know where to begin, but they're out there.

 

 

How can I be proud of this when I didn't do all of the work? I only put things together in a coherent structure.

 

Regarding the neighbours writing, it's a game design element. The front of the house is burnt down so that as the player you can see this from the road when driving past. You see the burnt down house and get out to have a look. The house is still upright due to the side and back wall.

 

The back wall is the perfect length for the writing and it would then only be obvious to someone looking for this information. The neighbour writes the message so that you can obtain the full name of the resident of the house and tie the clues inside to the resident being obsessed with the number 8. You can then tie this to the writings in the desert and also in the article.

 

That's the reason the writing exists and why it the structure is designed in this manner. I agree that if this was real life and wasn't a set of designed clues in a game, a neighbour would be more likely to write on the front of the house, like in the BBC sit-com Chickens below -

 

 

You're raising some great points and this is exactly what I encourage people to do in debating accepted viewpoints. All I can say is that what I've typed up is based upon what has been found in the game. If you can find something in the game that states it wasn't a neighbour and it was someone else, that's great and I will edit the post accordingly. At the moment, it's the most logical option to assume it was a neighbour and keep looking.

[L_vI98]

I could give you some revolutianary ideas:

 

1: maybe the neighbor who burnt down Merle's house noticed that the only wall left to leave his message on, was the back wall. The message was written after the house was set on fire.

 

2: when merle was in his killing phase, he must have gotten these bodies from his house/hobo camp/desert to the islands north of paleto bay. You could assume that this was done by boat, or by helicopter (unlikely, too high profile). So I encourage everyone to look for a ship or boat, on the shores of Alamo sea or/and the paleto bay area. (Maybe R* didn't put this in the game, I'm just guessing.

 

Enough with the fighting and quarreling, let's just get down to business and try to solve this Easter egg.

[anada]

Did someone really get the cops to dive and remove the bodies or were they just pulling our leg?

[Gasmasks]

 

 

 

wow, ppl cant even hope?

 

There's a difference between hope and grasping at straws whilst ignoring evidence. The latter seems to be the more popular way of addressing the mysteries within the game.

 

Aren't you ignoring the hash marks making 10 when there is only 8 bodies?

The different types of handwriting, Things I pointed out before....

You think it's solved, I don't.

I don't choose to ignore anything, you have.

Until all questions are answered... Without assuming or speculating.

I cannot 100% believe Merle did it.

 

 

The hash marks were him counting off how many people he had killed. He'd counted to five three seperate times. There is no way to know if he is counting off the bodies of people he had killed or something else, but the evidence shows that he only killed 8 people. The article says 8 male joggers were missing and there are 8 bodies in the water.

 

There are two different sets of handwriting. The handwriting in the house and on the rocks is the same, that's Merle's handwriting. The handwriting on the rear of the house is that of someone else, likely one of Merle's neighbours.

 

 

 

Still don't think that this is fully solved

Sure we know who did it and what drove him to it but there still remains a lot of unanswered questions. What exactly made him go crazy over the number 8? Why would R* make this puzzle if all we find out is there's some bodies underwater? Why can't we interact with the bodies? Doesn't make sense and we have the right to speculate and investigate further.

If this is a problem for you AnEvilVet, may I suggest removing this thread since it is a place to discuss things having to do with the Infinite 8 mystery?

If we can not theorize out own thoughts here, without you becoming a tyrant, simply remove it so someone else can start a new thread to carry on further discussion regarding this manner.

Since there are a few people wanting to talk about this without you shooting them down.

 

You still don't think it's fully solved? Why? All of the clues and evidence that exist in the game have been found and sometimes, just sometimes, you have to fill the gaps in yourself.

 

What made him go crazy? Probably the toxic water nearby getting into the groundwater and affecting him mentally.

Why did Rockstar make this? Because it adds a further sense of depth to the gameworld and also because it's a reference to one of the myths of GTA San Andreas which said that there was a serial killer in the game. Rockstar have provided us with actual easter eggs of all of the myths from GTA SA in GTA V and the serial killer egg is just one of them.

 

Why can't you interact with the bodies? You can't interact with any dead bodies in the game, neither the ones in the morgue or the ones you kill yourself. They are there to add conclusion to the easter egg. Merle did kill these people and nothing happened. He was mentally ill and paid the price.

 

Just because you want more out of the easter egg doesn't mean that it exists or that you need to force youurself to try and eke more out of it. Sometimes things are just as they appear and there is nothing more to them. Just imagine you not reading this guide to the mystery, you're the person who puts this together step by step by yourself. How fascinating and wonderful that feeling is, to explore this game world and find these creepy things.

 

Of course it doesn't look like a lot when you just read the step-by-step guide but it's very in depth as it is.

 

I would absolutely love it if you find more clues in game, like the very recent discovery of the 8 on the bin in the homeless camp, but please just base your theories around the evidence you can find in the game, that's what everything else here is based upon.

 

I apologise if I look like a tyrant, I'm not trying to come across that way. I just don't want you wasting your time in making wild guesses and assumptions when everything to do with this mystery was taken from things that appear within the game. I would suggest you look for additional clues in the homeless camp, the motel at Sandy Shores and also the park at the northern tip of the island as these were areas that Merle may have frequented further.

 

Good luck with the search!

 

So why is it you can say this about this particular easter egg but then you have the Mt.Chilliad one where these people babble on about nonsense and evidence which is created through will power? The Chilliad one has been solved already anyway, the UFO atop of Chilliad when the game is 100% complete during a thunder storm IS the Easter Egg lol, people just really want it to be something more so badly that they invent all kinds of rubbish to hope. However, this Easter Egg is different, this one actually has an opening to it 'The Suspected Killer' - This is the key term here, SUSPECTED, they do not actually know for sure, so for the man saying 'You're grasping at straws' this is exactly what the Police were doing when they sent Merle Abrahams to prison for the killings. There's more to this Easter Egg, not the lolsome Chilliad rubbish which has been solved already.

[WhateverTrevor]

Meant to post this weeks ago but forgot. You've linked Merle Abrams with the hobo camp because there's an 8 on a bin there but I don't think that's anything to do with this easter egg because those bins are in other places too - there's two near Maude's house, for example. I think it's just a coincidence.

 

 

I could be wrong though, maybe he was that obsessed with the number 8 that he went round painting it on bins all over Blaine County, the mental bastard.

[orwell_g]

Good find WhateverTrevor, although I couldn't initially see the picture I played with the url to see the image:

 

 

The bin that is lying down looks more like a "B" with a trail dripping down, whereas the one standing up looks more like the infinity symbol.

 

Would be interesting to see if there are more of these around the place ...

[AnEvilVet]

It could be that he worked for the local waste department or that he did it whilst travelling around the area. I think that as the style of the 8 is very similar to that seen on the rocks, it would be hard to dismiss it as coincidence, but a good find nonetheless.

[orwell_g]

Out of sheer interest, can you provide the exact location of those bins? I've had a poke around maudes but can't see these... Thanks in advance, I've been caught up by this and the more we know the bigger the picture we can paint.

[Eloader]

Just a couple of quick observations/questions

 

The graffiti is just odd. Firstly it looks unaffected by the fire especially the symbols around the edges (the body dump map and the tally marks) so it seems to have been done after the front of the building collapsed. Does this mean Merle went back and painted the murals AFTER people burnt his house down after suspecting him of wrong doing? In full view of the street?? Also I think the graffiti looks a lot newer than 10+ years old. If that's the case it is not likely to have been done by Merle given the circumstances. He just would not have gone back after the fire.

 

The "U" symbol used in "8 is just infinity stood up" is and odd symbol replicated at the prison. Could be either the symbol for alpha or proportionality in mathematics "stood up" or even the symbol for Taurus (neither seems to make much sense within this context). Does anyone know what else these symbols could be other than that?

 

Although the graffiti is in Merles old home I believe it was done later by some one else after Merles death. It just doesn't have the same style as his verses which we can say with a degree of certainty that were composed and written by Merle given the location of one at the prison.

 

If that's true, does it mean we have a Merle copycat? Merle had a helper? Just slightly more intelligent kids taking the piss at Merles old house? Other?

 

or,

 

Are my assumptions wrong or just looking too deeply into the mystery when it wasn't intended to be looked at as closely by the designers?

[williamcampbell]

Just waiting for the occasion in which someone will claim that "Rockstar owes us a solution/reward for the puzzle" or something, just like the UFO/jetpack stuff. Seems like people can't live with simple answers.

Not being able to interact with the bodies is evidence of something more? Heck, I think the old definition of "easter eggs" just won't cut it anymore. Now we need interactions and mysteries for every friggin' thing referenced in the game. Let's start an OG Loc mystery! There's a reference so he must be in! It would be a pleasure to find him and shoot his annoying face.

Don't get me wrong, but there's absolutely no reason to think that there's more to the Infinite 8 case. You saw the story... And that's it!

Edited December 4, 2013 by williamcampbell

[HakatoX]

William.

Do you get off on debunking things and smacking people's hopes into the mud?

 

I have yet to see you make a post in a thread that goes along with things...

just keep petting that dog backwards.....

Edited December 4, 2013 by HakatoX

[AnEvilVet]

William.

Do you get off on debunking things and smacking people's hopes into the mud?

 

I have yet to see you make a post in a thread that goes along with things...

just keep petting that dog backwards.....

 

He isn't debunking things. He's using only the information presented to him by the game and not trying to fit other things into it when there is no logical relation. Just because someone doesn't go along with the popular theory or belief doesn't make them wrong. Otherwise we'd still think that the world was flat and America would still be a colony of Great Britain.

 

People like William and I are essential to a theory like this as we are willing to actually speak up and act as devil's advocates. This helps to ground the people coming up with slightly wild theories, helps them link their theories to provable facts in the game and helps to spark discussion which can lead to other theories.

 

As I've said before regarding this mystery, everything about it is provable using the facts that the game presents to you, nothing about it is a theory. The rest of the mysteries are solvable in the same way.

[Eloader]

I agree but it must also stand up to scrutiny.

 

No point just accepting what is said as gospel if something doesn't quite fit.

 

I'm not saying that post 1 should be re-written but rather evidence be taken on board and investigated/discussed......and hope that the easter egg was written to stand up to the same scrutiny.

[williamcampbell]

Thank you, EvilVet.

I still have to see one member (besides you, that is) who's able to read a post of mine and notice that I'm not being negative and/or "petting the dog backwards". I'm being realistic and am taking into consideration what's in the game, what's presented so far. You don't have to agree with me, but then again I don't have to agree with all the childish talk around here too - that's the point of a forum: to give your honest opinion and talk about the matter at hand. It isn't the same as negativity just because I'm not throwing random theories like "maybe if we see the bodies by 3 am during a storm, the killer will appear with an UFO!!".

 

I've had my share of posts as a "believer of bigger things", but after all this time playing the game myself I'm fairly aware that there's nothing much left to do. I never said I'm against the idea of there being something somewhere, just that, so far, I don't see much reason to believe that there's still something this fantastical hidden in the game. EvilVet said it better when he mentioned that I'm just using the information presented to me by the game.

 

You see, unlike so many members who spend way too much time creating fantastical theories and asking others to look for things, I've spent much time playing the game with my own hands. Seeing with my own eyes. Many, many of the things presented lately in the "mystery" thread were stuff that I already saw while playing by myself and found no relation to anything else. Just like I never saw anything in the game telling me that I would be rewarded for such waste of time, let alone use a jetpack. Same for Infinite 8: I saw the story, so what more could I ask if not once in the game I had facts presented that led me to think that this could not be over? Did any of you find anything else that makes the story continue? You have a theory and that's nice - but the answer is simple and it's right in front of you. No need to overanalyze. That's just my opinion, thank you.

PS.: And I think that it's sad that one can't give his/her opinion if it isn't some crazy talk. As long as you keep it real, people will claim that you're negative and so on. What gives? Is it so hard to accept life as it is sometimes? We don't need anything else to be happy most of the time. Same applies here. I'll be more than happy to accept all this crazy stuff - as long as there's evidence.

Edited December 5, 2013 by williamcampbell

[HakatoX]

All I am saying is there are still unanswered questions.

I been trying to put together a sound analysis but life gets in the way.

I read the first post over and over and I am still scratching my head on a few things.

 

10 hash marks (victims)..... meaning he started another cycle. But we have no bodies.

We have a pair of runners in the house, indicating a victim after the house had been burned.

If they were from a previous victim from before the arrest then why are they not in evidence?

 

The fact that there is two different sets of "E's" from one note set to another.

This indicates the notes were written by two different people.

 

Like I said... there is something about this that makes me question if it was Merle at all.

 

I have read your response to some of these questions... but outside making up a story, I have yet to hear something factual from the game about this evidence.

Edited December 5, 2013 by HakatoX

[AnEvilVet]

All I am saying is there are still unanswered questions.

I been trying to put together a sound analysis but life gets in the way.

I read the first post over and over and I am still scratching my head on a few things.

 

10 hash marks (victims)..... meaning he started another cycle. But we have no bodies.

We have a pair of runners in the house, indicating a victim after the house had been burned.

If they were from a previous victim from before the arrest then why are they not in evidence?

 

The fact that there is two different sets of "E's" from one note set to another.

This indicates the notes were written by two different people.

 

Like I said... there is something about this that makes me question if it was Merle at all.

 

I have read your response to some of these questions... but outside making up a story, I have yet to hear something factual from the game about this evidence.

 

Well there are more than 10 hash marks, there are 5-10 in the front room and 10 in the back. Personally I think he was just counting off up to 5 multiple times until his house got burnt down.

The trainers are hanging up because it ties the victims to the article which shows the victims were joggers, so it's definitely Merle's house. The reason they didn't burn? Well it's probably a bit of artistic licence from the designer rather than anything like there being a copycat killer.

 

When analysing the text on the interior of the house and on the rocks, you can see the W's are identical. The W's on the interior and exterior of the house are completely different so it can be seen that the exterior graffiti was written by someone other than the person who wrote elsewhere.

We know from the article that Merle went to prison and the prison has graffiti saying where the bodies were, so the person who was in the prison must be the person that killed them. The article even says that Merle admitted an obsession with the number 8, so it must have been him that wrote the graffiti inside his house.

 

I'm sorry but the evidence from the game only ever points at Merle being the killer.