MojoW Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Another Interesting find on the Jetpack Thread: http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6722/k5gl.jpg I think this guy found out how to read the map/ Don't wanna burst your bubble but it's originally from the first jetpack thread. And even if the mural shows the glyphs, we don't understand how to activate/use them yet. I think were still missing a big piece of the puzzel, one piece that will make you understand the whole and differentiate the easter eggs Nairbnotsew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addertellstales Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hello! Just signed up because this thread is so interesting. I used to be an Actual Conspiracy Theorist (it messes you up) and have a fascination with this sort of symbolism as well as quite a lot of pointless knowledge that might come in handy. Keep up the good work, I fully intend to join in when I've caught up. ONZO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SprunkJunkie Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 May have been said already but the flying lizard makes me think of the Frogger heli. Flying amphibian?? maybe?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeatonWV Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 @SprunkJunkie (won't let me quote) but you may very will be onto something! With the jetpack I mean! Maybe we are taking this all toooooo literally! Remember Epislon and their 'metaphhors' and blatant symbolism, maybe it is the key! We need a hatching egg? Franklin is just beginning his life of crime so we use him! A flying lizard? The frogger as you said maybe? Lastly what's the UFO mean? Mt Chiliad's UFO!? Soo if we take Franklin in a froger there, using the other conditions to get the UFO to appear then maybe the door net to the glyph opens? I'm gonna post it in the jetpack thread to see if they can do this? (I need to collect the remaining tracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larose- Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 @SprunkJunkie (won't let me quote) but you may very will be onto something! With the jetpack I mean! Maybe we are taking this all toooooo literally! Remember Epislon and their 'metaphhors' and blatant symbolism, maybe it is the key! We need a hatching egg? Franklin is just beginning his life of crime so we use him! A flying lizard? The frogger as you said maybe? Lastly what's the UFO mean? Mt Chiliad's UFO!? Soo if we take Franklin in a froger there, using the other conditions to get the UFO to appear then maybe the door net to the glyph opens? I'm gonna post it in the jetpack thread to see if they can do this? (I need to collect the remaining tracts. That heli is an FIB vehicle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooter22 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) Has anyone studied the Epsilon Presentation on Michael's cell phone? It can be viewed in-game on the Epsilon Website by clicking the "Welcome to the Epsilon Program" button. I did a quick search on youtube for it and I didn't see it nor have I seen any quotes from it in the jetpack thread or here. So I uploaded it here, Sorry for the phone quality. Some theories: A reoccurring theme is "Unknow what you know". For example, in the presentation on the phone, it shows a red Epsilon emblem, and then the narrator asks you what color is it. He says it's blue then says, "Unlimit your limitations." Hence the blue lights everyone is looking for may be red. Although they do talk about gingers and red hair, so which color do they believe it the true red? Chapter 5, Verse 3 of the tract, "Like all who pursue truth and love he does not just by manifesting upward generosity but also by killing unsaveables in the great fight between Kraff and his enemies that has gone on for paradigms. Nothing is truer to the dove of love than killing unsaveables." So what if we have to sacrifice Trevor somewhere since he is an unsavable? I have yet, tried the Altruist looking sacrificial site but have doubts. The 9th Tenet on the in-game website is, "Trees talk but only some people can hear them. FACT!" and one of the many references in the tract on Chapter 5, Verse 1 – Tau "Only the apple tree and the peach tree speak." I don't know if this is referencing the burning bush from the bible or a literal tree that speaks to Michael, since he is not an unsavable. There seems to be too many tree references to so I am hoping for the latter. The presentation shows the 2 trees and says they are Life Analogies and that you will know why soon. Other random ideas and observations: The presentation asks if the eagle can fly underwater. At the end of presentation, "I am Cris Formage. Are you ready to greet your ancestors, receive an egg from them, and form yourself out of it?" Could it mean you'll get the egg from the tree? Because, "These are the trees we came from" (Chapter 5, Verse 1 – Tau). Or ancestors could mean aliens and you'll receive an egg from them. The Epsilon theme music gets louder when you're on top of the building or nearer the center of the building. I don't know if this observation is anything significant or not. I've tried most if not all the doors and windows of the Epsilon building at day and night but no luck. Chapter 3, Verse 2 "A man of Epslion must lie with nine new partners a week lest he wither at the vine." Maybe you have to sleep with 9 prostitutes within a week’s time in-game? Chapter 4, Verse 5, "Your earth partner is to be cherished and therefore shared with the utmost generosity upwards like all things." So maybe somehow whore out your wife or daughter? Hell, maybe even Michael's son. Chapter 4, Verse 6 "from sand comes glass that forms the pitcher of truth from the lake that holds a cutting from the peach tree." Maybe a glass skyscraper holding the lakes water which holds the truth? Just trying to spark some imagination and help the hunt. Edited September 28, 2013 by jamey2244 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n1ghth4wk Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Everyone should seriously watch the credits, im sure there are lots of clues there. Even record them and map all the locations maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONZO Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hey guys i made a post yesterday on the other thread and on reddit with some new insights on the whole thing, but on the other thread they don't really focus on Epsilon and it's relevance to the mystery. Hopefully you guys find the time to take a look at what i came up with: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1n797f/new_gta_v_ufo_mystery_insights_nobody_noticed/ This is the reddit post i made, i think it really can be helpfull There's some things in there that didn't totally convince me but the majority of it looked really good. People should definitely check that out. Those texts seem pretty key. Also, since the tracts say that we as a people always get things backwards, the way the tracts are written might be the correct way to read them since they're ordered from Z-A. But there's also mention of apples falling up and how how things we see as red are actually blue (like the red epsilon logo being "blue" and vice versa for the light house in the video). What if we applied the "today's opposite day" rule to the text? I have to cram for midterms right now so I don't have time to do that but maybe the clues are actually the opposite of what we read. The locations in the Epsilon videos really seem like they have some importance. ( and ) To not make things too long, I'll just link someone else's post: http://gtaforums.com/topic/604612-epsilon-theories-spoilers/page-6?do=findComment&comment=1063495828 They took a video of the Epsilon welcome page that has some things I didn't see before. They also brought up the possibility of maybe needing to sleep with 9 prostitutes in a game week because that's one of the Epsilon tenets. Seems kind of ridiculous but I wouldn't put it past R* so it's worth a shot (maybe while wearing the Epsilon suit?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addertellstales Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The prostitute thing is fascinating. 9 is a very relevant number in basic numerology, which R* is most likely going off, so it's worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalNo0b Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) The prostitute thing is fascinating. 9 is a very relevant number in basic numerology, which R* is most likely going off, so it's worth a shot. considering they made us trek through the desert for ages, and wear the robes for 10 in game days, it may just be possible that we have to do this Edited September 28, 2013 by TotalNo0b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addertellstales Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The prostitute thing is fascinating. 9 is a very relevant number in basic numerology, which R* is most likely going off, so it's worth a shot. considering they made us trek through the desert for ages, and wear the robes for 10 in game days, it may just be possible that we have to do this I really need to go get to these. Damn my busy work schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nairbnotsew Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 The prostitute thing is fascinating. 9 is a very relevant number in basic numerology, which R* is most likely going off, so it's worth a shot. considering they made us trek through the desert for ages, and wear the robes for 10 in game days, it may just be possible that we have to do this The prostitutes thing was tried back in the San Andreas days as well, which only makes it seem more plausible. This whole thing seems to be one giant wink at all the people who dumped hours of time into a game with nothing to actually find. I think we should all take a look back at some of the stuff they uncovered back in those days as R* may have taken some of the ridiculous theories back then and made them apply in this game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathChildz Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) Has anyone studied the Epsilon Presentation on Michael's cell phone? It can be viewed in-game on the Epsilon Website by clicking the "Welcome to the Epsilon Program" button. I did a quick search on youtube for it and I didn't see it nor have I seen any quotes from it in the jetpack thread or here. So I uploaded it here, Sorry for the phone quality. Also at the end it says "we'll see you at the center" i noticed this while looking at this yesterday.. Don't know what they mean by "The center", center of what ? The Epsilon building near Michael's house ? I'm on the way to try the 9 prostitute thing. I'm with Michael, with Epsilon clothes.. I'll tell you more in a couple of minutes. EDIT : So i did it, nothing.. I've made 5 saves to let at least one day pass, nothing. Edited September 28, 2013 by WrathChildz petrov2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbaitz Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) Spoiler spoiler spoiler, ending mission.... but i guess u wouldnt be here if u didnt already know.. i dunno how to do that spoiler tag but .. can i just throw in that it is an option to kill michael? making epsilon a little less relevant even though they do have a spookily creepy inside with the city, prolly gonna elude to the fact that online will have missions based on these factions Edited September 28, 2013 by Fishbaitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian. Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Did anyone ever consider that the 10 you play, ADD to these 5 you see = 15? :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireBallz21 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Just joined the thread, sorry if I'm off topic but, doesn't Epsilon's song sound creepy and weird in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChronic Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 The prostitute thing is fascinating. 9 is a very relevant number in basic numerology, which R* is most likely going off, so it's worth a shot. considering they made us trek through the desert for ages, and wear the robes for 10 in game days, it may just be possible that we have to do this The prostitutes thing was tried back in the San Andreas days as well, which only makes it seem more plausible. This whole thing seems to be one giant wink at all the people who dumped hours of time into a game with nothing to actually find. I think we should all take a look back at some of the stuff they uncovered back in those days as R* may have taken some of the ridiculous theories back then and made them apply in this game as well. try myepsilom.org, its all about the epsilom in GTA SA. i found some interesting stuff on there, maybe you can see something i didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hey, new in here. Just been mulling over the tracts and came up with an idea. I have been reading the chapters backwards and think they may be linked to the main story. I think the eagle may be referring to Michael and the Kraff to Franklin. The paradigms refer to parts of the story like the fire at the FIB building, which could make the two firms the trees. Quite a lot of stuff in there tells the story of what happened in the story once you've completed it. Maybe the next paradigms (story) is what has to be uncovered. Does Franklin have any birth marks on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Also has anyone tried landing the Frogger on the building as all characters? The one with the 11 on it. Maybe as Trevor, as he has the stolen property that's spoken of in the tracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Also the red haired man may have been Steve Haines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggtafan88 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 man so the 15 tracts it's a rockstar mistake or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I'm also thinking the dove could refer to money. Possibly that which was earned from the last heist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I think the last 5 tracts are in the Mural at the cable car station, 5 x marked boxes, the connecting lines relative to the characters that must be present to unlock them? Like the last 2 boxes need all 3 characters to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggtafan88 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 ok but...there is in game or are a rockstar mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I think the are in game, Rockstar would have rectified it if it was a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggtafan88 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 online?or single palyer?I hope that there is more 5 epsilon tracts ingame but we don't have any proof of this-.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Single player I would imagine as it's part of the story, and I think we are or will be uncovering 5 parts to the story as we have to write the paradigms, which then leads to the next tracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathChildz Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I think the last 5 tracts are in the Mural at the cable car station, 5 x marked boxes, the connecting lines relative to the characters that must be present to unlock them? Like the last 2 boxes need all 3 characters to be there. Holy sh*t dude.. that's a nice theory ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicklebean Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 im pretty sure the mural on chiliad is for the ufos...if not, im sure its nothing to do with epsilon (and therefore this thread)... the glyphs are found all over the map, but not on the epsilon website, missions, characters etc... sorry to be that guy but i think the people in this thread are making progress, and if the mural at chiliad and all that stuff starts getting spoken about were gonna go way off topic, start arguing and end up like the psychos over on the jetpack hunt forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjatlas Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I was only saying that it's a possibility, the information gathered could lead to the ufo side of things. Aliens are mentioned quite a lot in the epsilon texts. The jet pack thread seems to be missing a lot of the content from the epsilon theories. I don't believe that the jet pack or fly able ufo are the only 'prizes' at the end of this, I think it could be something incredible once tied all together. This all aside, I'm still working in the idea from my first post, that the text read from the last chapter backwards is describing key elements of the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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