Decoding the Mount Chiliad Mural

[tadd]

Hmm just think if we can find the undermap files we can see why they are there, what is the purpose... IF as vet said they are triggers, which i believe and as you said there are more around... surely that would mean there is more to see that can be triggered... i understand you saying there are lots of things underground for no apparent reason but surely squares like chiliad and zancudo ones are worth looking into...

 

and did you see mine and evil vets little convo up there about the movie studio ufo? Any thoughts?

 

Sorry dude just u are the only other person looking at the files right now and im sure u realise a second opinion is helpful lol plus you seem to understand them better than me, as i said im in over my head a little lol there are definitly files we dont understand yet though and have not located...

 

did u manage to find and account for all the glyphs and the locations? Unless we can view the actual things inside i dont think its possible. U sure we cant understand the info in .xdr files? My knowledge is limited sorry.

Edited November 27, 2013 by tadd

[Ungreth]

 

@anevilvet... the ufo from the cutscene of micheals abduction is called spinning anus and specialfloaty... also that ufo is fib style, the one in the downtown files is zancudo and its location seemed to be the movie studio... as someone has shown during the abduction you do not go near the movie studio... u have been here a long time old friend, u should remember these details lol

 

and we need more info on what that trigger texure under gordo is linked to... ive asked takeover and i dont know if you missed my post at the end of page 529, but i explained i was asking zancudo if he had any more info on the texture file, not the location or a picture of it lol

 

edit: sorry was page 530, things moving so fast.

No clue what it is, but really its not interesting to me atleast.

 

Fly under the map, you will see trees in multiple places, random walls with no point, water where there is land, concrete blocks, etcetc. I've seen a few other texture squares too (i believe its at the lower end of the airport, which is a mess underground) This really looks like a rock or a side of a mountain - nothing more. Just use your imagination and visualize that 2d square getting blown up with some depth. Not everything under the map has a point.

 

I do think fred/wilma/alien are male/female ragdolls. Aliens _might_ be what michael was fighting when he was stoned, I dont think they would be the ones michael saw in the cutscene because cutscenes dont need ragdolls as far as I understand. Just in game things where things need to change based on how you are hit. I dont remember if they reacted differently than say a human just in costume, but its possible I guess

 

*Edit* Also, the other thing, people keep calling the mountain image "redeye". This might be entirely false. To me, redeye looks like something relating to a moon clue. Who knows but I think its interesting.

 

cs1_10_redeye.xdr:

RSC7CS1_10_symbol_clue_moonCS1_10_symbol_clue_moon_Acs1_10_redeye_palcs1_10_redeye.#dr

cs1_10_clue_moon01.xdr

RSC7:CS1_10_symbol_clue_moonCS1_10_symbol_clue_moon_ANcs1_10_clue_moon01.#dr

Also if you notice the lashes on the image under the viewing station vs the mural they are different. Maybe the viewing station is just a fake eye and were looking for the real one. who knows.

 

 

This is right. Fred and Wilma are the male and female natural motion files from the euphoria engine, same in GTA4.

[tadd]

Ahh @ungreth, thanks for clearing that up.

 

@takeover... can you list the clue files and in your opinion how many possible glyphs they contain.

 

edit: pretty please with a cherry on top lol

Edited November 27, 2013 by tadd

[ynamite]

@anevilvet no one has to prove sh*t to you so f*ck off. If you don't like the topic kindly kill yourself, since you seem unable to leave.

 

Um, dude, please take a chill pill. AnEvilVet has posted more helpful stuff in this thread than most people and has been on board since the beginning.

 

If you cannot participate in a civil manner, please refrain from posting.

[StangOne50]

@anevilvet no one has to prove sh*t to you so f*ck off. If you don't like the topic kindly kill yourself, since you seem unable to leave.

Hey keep it clean in here please . If you have a problem with someone please PM them .

[ZancudoTakeover]

Well - heres what i know (or atleast think i know) = http://dageron.com/?page_id=5446&lang=en

 

 

XTD == Xenon Texture Dictionary - we can open these - 2d squares that get put ontop of some type of plane

XDR == Xenon Drawable - stationary items that dont take damage

XFT == Xeon Frag Type - moving items that take damage

 

I don't think theres much hope to do XDR/XFT, there hasn't been in the past so no reason to think there is now. We can hex them to see what they might contain for filenames but thats about it. I know many people smarter than myself have looked into reading them for GTAIV and failed. Pretty sure little outside the header is actually known how to interpret.

 

I havnet been able to find the other glyphs. It's a needle in a haystack. I did a grep around for 'ufo\|clue\|hidd\|float' and came back to a 900 mb file. I suppose I could limit it to a region like the hills or something, but still its a longshot.

Edited November 27, 2013 by ZancudoTakeover

[AnEvilVet]

 

Prove that it isn't solved and prove that those symbols don't represent the locations I've said. And I never said that the egg represent Cluckin' Bell, I said it represents Paleto Bay and therefore the location of the sunken UFO.

 

So far, it's the most logical theory as no-one has found anything to contradict it and has only found things to support it. I wish there was more to the mural, but it doesn't look like there is.

 

But you posting these things and saying it isn't solved is just detracting from a perfectly viable and logical theory and any further assumptions anyone has made have only supported this theory by leading to nothing.

 

 

I think that's pretty specious logic. Firstly, you can say that the mural is 'solved' but this theory has no explanation for the interconnecting lines on the mural. I could say the mural shows the position of the glyphs and that everything else (including the three pictures) is just a red herring or decoration and there's no more way to disprove this than your theory.

Secondly, you say that nobody has found anything to contradict it, but that's only because you personally believe this rather than any of it's inconsistencies. For example, I think it's a real stretch to say that the jetpack represents Zancudo, you think it's logical, which is fair enough. You think the egg represents Paleto Bay to indicate the sunken UFO, I think it is much too far away to be suggesting that. None of these things prove your theory, they just make sense to you. As for things supporting it, the only thing that even remotely does that is the position of the UFOs, but obviously that is the case because it was completely reverse engineered. The UFOs were known about and then someone made these connections, not that someone saw these connections and then found the UFOs.

I think everyone is now well aware of this theory nobody is rejecting it because they don't understand it or are over thinking things. It's just that most people, like me, don't agree with it's logic.

 

 

You raise some very good points there and, as with the rest of the semiotics on the mural, it's all opinion based. I have theorised in the past about the lines but didn't think it would be good to take up too much space repeating it.

 

The Illuminati are referenced many times throughout the game and they have a symbol of the pyramid with the all-seeing eye above it. This is very reminiscent of the Chiliad mural, with the UFO being the eye and the mountain being the pyramid. It is known that pyramids have passageways inside leading to various chambers and a lot of people believe that this is what the lines and boxes mean, hidden paths and rooms inside the mountain. To me, the lines are just to make it seem very similar to a pyramid and also to show that all of the glyphs are linked, that all of the conditions are met to show the UFOs.

 

 

@anevilvet no one has to prove sh*t to you so f*ck off. If you don't like the topic kindly kill yourself, since you seem unable to leave.

 

Actually, you need to prove it to me. That is your sole role in life now. It's to prove the validity of your existence to me and only me. I am all you live for. In fact, you could say that I am your owner and you are my dog. I quite like that imagery becauise it means I get to imagine you walking around my garden on all fours and involves leads and collars and a regretful occasion involving a bottle of whiskey and a jar of marmite.

 

And what if I didn't 'kindly' kill myself? What if I did it really agressively?

[Uncle Cletus]

I've been thinking about the space docker and I think that the"beam me up" and the zigzag glyph means to do something with the space dockers antenna. I'm not sure as I'm not 100% still and don't hv a space docker so could u someone plz check it out 4 me . Thanks in advance

i really dig these stupid lazy moronotrons who do not read the thread, do not have 100% and do not mind asking people to pull out their space docker and wave it at something useless.

 

finish the game and do it yourself

[ZancudoTakeover]

 

You raise some very good points there and, as with the rest of the semiotics on the mural, it's all opinion based. I have theorised in the past about the lines but didn't think it would be good to take up too much space repeating it.

 

The Illuminati are referenced many times throughout the game and they have a symbol of the pyramid with the all-seeing eye above it. This is very reminiscent of the Chiliad mural, with the UFO being the eye and the mountain being the pyramid. It is known that pyramids have passageways inside leading to various chambers and a lot of people believe that this is what the lines and boxes mean, hidden paths and rooms inside the mountain. To me, the lines are just to make it seem very similar to a pyramid and also to show that all of the glyphs are linked, that all of the conditions are met to show the UFOs.

 

 

@anevilvet no one has to prove sh*t to you so f*ck off. If you don't like the topic kindly kill yourself, since you seem unable to leave.

 

Actually, you need to prove it to me. That is your sole role in life now. It's to prove the validity of your existence to me and only me. I am all you live for. In fact, you could say that I am your owner and you are my dog. I quite like that imagery becauise it means I get to imagine you walking around my garden on all fours and involves leads and collars and a regretful occasion involving a bottle of whiskey and a jar of marmite.

 

And what if I didn't 'kindly' kill myself? What if I did it really agressively?

 

 

To the first part, I do agree they are showing things are linked and conditions rather than actual lines. What bothers me though is that the bottom two are missing.

 

I personally dont see the ufo/bay/fort reference. Instead I see it as

"have partial conditions, see the ufo. Crack the egg? and you take to the skies"

 

I don't believe there is a jetpack ingame, instead a flyable ufo. The part that bothers me is the two worn away ones, almost as if there are 2 conditions left to crack the egg. The fact that the glpyhs that aren't worn away are the same ones seen out in the open at hippy camp makes the whole puzzle too easy. Finding them on the mountain is pointless. I really think we are looking for the last two conditions, and they will be relating to the moon phase & something else.

 

And I got a good lol outa last comment. good stuff

[Darthwill]

Well I finally found a big Clue that will give us a break. I'm happy to prove something is going to finally be put to an end.

 

The famous 6EQUJ5 has no meaning in fact it's a clue it's self and I have solved it's purpose. The reddit user about MT. Gordo is probably right.

 

You know why? Look at this.

 

6EQUJ5 is just to throw us off.

6 is Six so I'll take the S out

SEQUJ5.

SEQUI5.

SEQUIN.

SEQUENCE?

 

So 6EQUJ5 is actually possibly saying SEQUENCE.

Therefore the Hippy Camp and Sand Glyp are trying to say there is a Sequence to the puzzle. I hope this indeed helps.

[tadd]

Well - heres what i know (or atleast think i know) = http://dageron.com/?page_id=5446&lang=en

 

 

XTD == Xenon Texture Dictionary - we can open these - 2d squares that get put ontop of some type of plane

XDR == Xenon Drawable - stationary items that dont take damage

XFT == Xeon Frag Type - moving items that take damage

 

I don't think theres much hope to do XDR/XFT, there hasn't been in the past so no reason to think there is now. We can hex them to see what they might contain for filenames but thats about it. I know many people smarter than myself have looked into reading them for GTAIV and failed. Pretty sure little outside the header is actually known how to interpret.

 

I havnet been able to find the other glyphs. It's a needle in a haystack. I did a grep around for 'ufo\|clue\|hidd\|float' and came back to a 900 mb file. I suppose I could limit it to a region like the hills or something, but still its a longshot.

ok i get you... so does the same apply for the .cdr from ps3 version (this is what i am working with) are these only hexable as well?

 

i know what you mean regarding searching for glyphs, i have opened up all the interesting .rpf i could find from the hippy camp (country_04 salvationm files) and the rpfs with the clue files (i gave up on extracting all the rpfs as it was taking to long and have begun getting only the ones i need or find interesting, although its getting messy with all these interesting files building up and still more to find)

 

Do you know which area is gordo?

[Uncle Cletus]

 

Just curious, but does Michael have a mission after the main story is done? I can't remember if there was one or not. I know Franklin has Bigfoot. Trevor has his mom, or was that before the story was over?

T's mission is after main story completion.

F/Bigfoot's mission is after 100%.

Never eard of an extra one for M.

 

incorrect. go to Michael's shrink for his final mission

[JohnS]

What about this lead......they look alike

[Eram]

(...)

 

You raise some very good points there and, as with the rest of the semiotics on the mural, it's all opinion based. I have theorised in the past about the lines but didn't think it would be good to take up too much space repeating it.

 

The Illuminati are referenced many times throughout the game and they have a symbol of the pyramid with the all-seeing eye above it. This is very reminiscent of the Chiliad mural, with the UFO being the eye and the mountain being the pyramid. It is known that pyramids have passageways inside leading to various chambers and a lot of people believe that this is what the lines and boxes mean, hidden paths and rooms inside the mountain. To me, the lines are just to make it seem very similar to a pyramid and also to show that all of the glyphs are linked, that all of the conditions are met to show the UFOs.

 

(...)

I really don't understand why the "jetpack" figure is FZ's UFO.

A much perfect symbol for FZ would be a tank, a minigun, a jet or even an armed guard (or some mosquito as Zancudo translates in spanish).

It just seems too weird to me that only people who played SA (released in 2004) could make this "jetpack"-FZ connection.

And the line ufo-"jetpack", why is it not connected with the egg?

[Eram]

 

 

Just curious, but does Michael have a mission after the main story is done? I can't remember if there was one or not. I know Franklin has Bigfoot. Trevor has his mom, or was that before the story was over?

T's mission is after main story completion.

F/Bigfoot's mission is after 100%.

Never eard of an extra one for M.

 

incorrect. go to Michael's shrink for his final mission

 

POWA question was referring to "after the main story is done".

I belive M's shrink missions are before that.

[AnEvilVet]

 

I really don't understand why the "jetpack" figure is FZ's UFO.

 

A much perfect symbol for FZ would be a tank, a minigun, a jet or even an armed guard (or some mosquito as Zancudo translates in spanish).

It just seems too weird to me that only people who played SA (released in 2004) could make this "jetpack"-FZ connection.

And the line ufo-"jetpack", why is it not connected with the egg?

 

 

I agree that there are better symbols, but semiotics is all related to assumed knowledge. Like you know a red traffic light means stop because you've been told previously that it does and you have that knowledge.

Thus the game designers assume you have some knowledge of GTA SA. After all, the majority of easter eggs in the game are things that people believed were in GTA SA but weren't, namely UFOs, Bigfoot, a serial killer and a ghost.

 

Regarding the UFO/Jetpack line, there is another theory that the symbols represent the three main protagonosts with the UFO representing Michael, the jetpack representing Trevor and the Egg for Franklin. Michael and Trevor shared a past before meeting Franklin so they have an established link, the line at the bottom.

Edited November 27, 2013 by AnEvilVet

[stokies76]

 

I've been thinking about the space docker and I think that the"beam me up" and the zigzag glyph means to do something with the space dockers antenna. I'm not sure as I'm not 100% still and don't hv a space docker so could u someone plz check it out 4 me . Thanks in advance

i really dig these stupid lazy moronotrons who do not read the thread, do not have 100% and do not mind asking people to pull out their space docker and wave it at something useless.

 

finish the game and do it yourself

 

PMSL way to get self righteous about a game--- if people who are yet to complete the game want to get involved then they are welcome to do so

[Eram]

 

I agree that there are better symbols, but semiotics is all related to assumed knowledge. Like you know a red traffic light means stop because you've been told previously that it does and you have that knowledge.

Thus the game designers assume you have some knowledge of GTA SA. After all, the majority of easter eggs in the game are things that people believed were in GTA SA but weren't, namely UFOs, Bigfoot, a serial killer and a ghost.

 

Regarding the UFO/Jetpack line, there is another theory that the symbols represent the three main protagonosts with the UFO representing Michael, the jetpack representing Trevor and the Egg for Franklin. Michael and Trevor shared a past before meeting Franklin so they have an established link, the line at the bottom.

 

You can be right, but i just think that are millions playing the game that just weren't old enough to be playing SA back in 2004.

Also, many other old enough just didn't play it back then, but are now playing GTAV...

 

I've seen the theory that the bottom symbols stand for M, F and T.

Although bottom line is possibly explained with this theory, then the symbols should not mean any place, or are you thinking that they can have double meanning?

[StangOne50]

Well I finally found a big Clue that will give us a break. I'm happy to prove something is going to finally be put to an end.

 

The famous 6EQUJ5 has no meaning in fact it's a clue it's self and I have solved it's purpose. The reddit user about MT. Gordo is probably right.

 

You know why? Look at this.

 

6EQUJ5 is just to throw us off.

6 is Six so I'll take the S out

SEQUJ5.

SEQUI5.

SEQUIN.

SEQUENCE?

 

So 6EQUJ5 is actually possibly saying SEQUENCE.

Therefore the Hippy Camp and Sand Glyp are trying to say there is a Sequence to the puzzle. I hope this indeed helps.

What clue led you to switch the 6 with an S ? Apologize if i am missing something but this still does not make sence to me .

[snoopdoug]

Actually, you need to prove it to me. That is your sole role in life now. It's to prove the validity of your existence to me and only me. I am all you live for. In fact, you could say that I am your owner and you are my dog. I quite like that imagery becauise it means I get to imagine you walking around my garden on all fours and involves leads and collars and a regretful occasion involving a bottle of whiskey and a jar of marmite.

 

And what if I didn't 'kindly' kill myself? What if I did it really agressively?

Please keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself.

 

Edit: homosexual beastiality fantasies.

Edited November 27, 2013 by snoopdoug

[snoopdoug]

PMSL way to get self righteous about a game--- if people who are yet to complete the game want to get involved then they are welcome to do so

They're welcome to post and then get told to f*ck off cause they're a lazy bitch.

[rob1987]

 

 

Hey guys Im new here but have been following al of the threads for some time now I have a suggestion that i havent heard before the ufo on mt chiliad is said to be a hologram But a hologram needs to be projected from somewhere isnt it Now on the ufo is written fib so maybe the projection is being send from a fib building On some other thread someone is saying that the ufo on top of the mountain on the mural isnt a ufo but a alseeing eye and that eye is used also in illuminati picture Now te illuminato is the biggest conspiricy in the world and that the goverment is involved If you look at the ufos with the fib written on it Maybe what i said about the projection isnt such a bad idea and is the next clue somewhere at a fib building Im sorry for my english its almost 15 years ago when i went to school my writing isnt so good anymore haha

[Ins4n1ty]

 

PMSL way to get self righteous about a game--- if people who are yet to complete the game want to get involved then they are welcome to do so

They're welcome to post and then get told to f*ck off cause they're a lazy bitch.

 

Why do u guys keep on fighting every damn day. Were all here for one reason. Why mess up a intresting and fun hunt for new ppl?!?!?!? Why post alot of useless crap ?!?!?!?! I dont get ppl that think theyre insults is something that we find intresting. Just let new ppl come here and let em ask a question that have been asked 300 paged back then let em.

[Zawaz132]

 

Actually, you need to prove it to me. That is your sole role in life now. It's to prove the validity of your existence to me and only me. I am all you live for. In fact, you could say that I am your owner and you are my dog. I quite like that imagery becauise it means I get to imagine you walking around my garden on all fours and involves leads and collars and a regretful occasion involving a bottle of whiskey and a jar of marmite.

 

And what if I didn't 'kindly' kill myself? What if I did it really agressively?

Please keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself.

 

I'm pretty sure homosexuals don't have those kinds of fantasies...

 

But what I don't get is that IF the mural is 'solved' then how would the egg represent Cluckin' Bell? It's not exactly close to the crashed UFO. I don't think that interpretation is correct.

I'm not going to be saying it's not solved until we get some wonderful crazy prize. I mean, I really hope there's some flyable UFO or jetpack as that would be freaking awesome! But we might want to stop aiming at 'how to get a jetpack' and just worry on the actual topic "decoding the mount chiliad mural."

 

 

Summary: I don't think the mural is solved, and I think a lot of us have gotten off topic just focusing on a reward.

[Druminator]

I wish we could solve this without searching the game files.

[tadd]

 

Well - heres what i know (or atleast think i know) = http://dageron.com/?page_id=5446&lang=en

 

 

XTD == Xenon Texture Dictionary - we can open these - 2d squares that get put ontop of some type of plane

XDR == Xenon Drawable - stationary items that dont take damage

XFT == Xeon Frag Type - moving items that take damage

 

I don't think theres much hope to do XDR/XFT, there hasn't been in the past so no reason to think there is now. We can hex them to see what they might contain for filenames but thats about it. I know many people smarter than myself have looked into reading them for GTAIV and failed. Pretty sure little outside the header is actually known how to interpret.

 

I havnet been able to find the other glyphs. It's a needle in a haystack. I did a grep around for 'ufo\|clue\|hidd\|float' and came back to a 900 mb file. I suppose I could limit it to a region like the hills or something, but still its a longshot.

ok i get you... so does the same apply for the .cdr from ps3 version (this is what i am working with) are these only hexable as well?

 

i know what you mean regarding searching for glyphs, i have opened up all the interesting .rpf i could find from the hippy camp (country_04 salvationm files) and the rpfs with the clue files (i gave up on extracting all the rpfs as it was taking to long and have begun getting only the ones i need or find interesting, although its getting messy with all these interesting files building up and still more to find)

 

Do you know which area is gordo?

just reposting this for takeover as he seems to miss my posts when there has been spam lol

 

edit: @above... i had an idea of shining the docker lights on the half and faded glyphs incase they reveal more... if your bored and wanna try something to cross off the list

Edited November 27, 2013 by tadd

[Ins4n1ty]

Hey guys Im new here but have been following al of the threads for some time now I have a suggestion that i havent heard before the ufo on mt chiliad is said to be a hologram But a hologram needs to be projected from somewhere isnt it Now on the ufo is written fib so maybe the projection is being send from a fib building On some other thread someone is saying that the ufo on top of the mountain on the mural isnt a ufo but a alseeing eye and that eye is used also in illuminati picture Now te illuminato is the biggest conspiricy in the world and that the goverment is involved If you look at the ufos with the fib written on it Maybe what i said about the projection isnt such a bad idea and is the next clue somewhere at a fib building Im sorry for my english its almost 15 years ago when i went to school my writing isnt so good anymore haha

Same i already tought. Is there a fib chopper or a fib car. Can you call the fib to show up at a location like in theold ggta's you could call the cops and they came to check it out. Maybe the ufo's only react to fib members

[phillip_trevors]

i have to admit i was starting to feel we were on a wild (really wild) goose chase.then i saw people on here talking about the book"ready player one"....just reading what the book is about gave me the" THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING MORE" feeling....

[HellCattX]

 

Just a quick note, if you listen to omega during his introduction, he tells you of a "crashed" UFO, most take it as insane ranting, but its actualy there,

thats why you have to collect the spaceship parts that are scattered all over the map by that crash.

and thats why you will have to find them so Omega can fix it. (spaceship?)

 

I was refearing to the crashed ship in the bottom of the ocean...

[rob1987]

I only know that in the mission of the fib heist there a chopper of the fib on the roof of a building next to the senora highway

 

I have already been on the top of the fib headquarters during a thinderstorm at 3am but nothing happens maybe i missed something and calling the feds dont know you only have the number of that old dude micheal knows