The Driving Debate

June 3, 2014

Why not try and get R* to add IV physics into V as an option?

So you could go to the pause menu and there's two options

Normal - IV mechanics

Casual - V mechanics

and then everyone's happy.

June 3, 2014

I don't feel there is any difference between regular handling and online race handling, and if there were such a difference, go prove it to me.

He´s right.

SP =/= online.

The creator uses the SP handling. When I lap my Through the Grapevine version in the creator, I´m around 2 seconds faster than when I race it online in a regular race. In SP cars have even more grip, it gets even more ridiculous.

I haven´t noticed any difference between free mode and races online as some claim though.

Edited June 3, 2014 by FasterThanYou

June 3, 2014

Is IV's car handling really that hard for some people? I can drive a van in IV like a psycho from north Alderney to hove beach and arrive with only some scratches made with other traffic or none at all. Maybe it's because I play Live For Speed before IV.

June 3, 2014

I really like the way the cars handle in this one. Honestly, I'm surprised so many people liked GTA4's driving. Seriously? The vehicles drive about as well as a cinder block taped to a skateboard..

I'm not usually the type to sh!t on an opinion that's different from my own, but everything about GTA 4 was inferior to GTA 5 including the driving...

The only thing I may argue was any good about 4 was Niko. He was a [email protected] stand up guy, but as far as actuall game mechanics go. Yeah, GTA5 trumps 4...

I may not agree with that. City is more detailed, driving actually takes time to master (more variables are applied to it), and not to mention, Helicopters.

I play games for fun. I don't mind havering to work and get better at things in a game(like racing, or combat), but havering to spend 20+ hours practicing just getting to the next mission is just dumb...

The driving in GTAV is much more fun..

June 4, 2014

Can people explain to me, how this guy winning most races is not skill based:

Racing in V is definitely skill based. Now, when I had free Xbox live for a weekend I won my races like that too, because other people drive like idiots and ram each other all over the place, but even then... You can't blame it 100% on the idiocy of the other participants. There is skill involved.

The handling in free mode and racing online is different, to notice it, just play it over and over until you find it, trust me its there.

Just because you practice something doesn't mean your getting better at it, its how you practice.

June 4, 2014

I play games for fun. I don't mind havering to work and get better at things in a game(like racing, or combat), but havering to spend 20+ hours practicing just getting to the next mission is just dumb...

The driving in GTAV is much more fun..

Who doesn't play a game for fun? Seriously if it takes you 20 hours to get a handle on it there's something wrong and I doubt it has anything to do with the game's physics. Some people make it seem as if driving in GTA IV is like performing brain surgery with a toothpick.

It's really not that difficult if you understand the basics of driving to begin with.

June 4, 2014

There really should be a first person driving option in GTA V, similar to the one in Watch Dogs, it makes the whole experience 10 times as enjoyable and immersive.

June 4, 2014

the Driving is fine the only thing i dislike is the fact you go flying out of your Windshield and die.

June 4, 2014

I did the suspension glitch in IV today and it made some of the cars handle the way they did in V. The Comet, for example, was so stiff that body roll was gone and it cornered unrealistically sharply. So V is kind of like IV without a suspension. But the cars in IV without suspensions react horribly to road imperfections, I mean I thought V was bad but in IV some of my glitched lowered cars stalled over potholes, flipped when approaching a pothole at a high speed, and shook violently or somehow severely damaged the body work of the cars I used.

June 4, 2014

I play games for fun. I don't mind havering to work and get better at things in a game(like racing, or combat), but havering to spend 20+ hours practicing just getting to the next mission is just dumb...

The driving in GTAV is much more fun..

Who doesn't play a game for fun? Seriously if it takes you 20 hours to get a handle on it there's something wrong and I doubt it has anything to do with the game's physics. Some people make it seem as if driving in GTA IV is like performing brain surgery with a toothpick.

It's really not that difficult if you understand the basics of driving to begin with.

After playing V so long and now playing IV, the driving is definitely taking me time to get used to, but the thing is, the driving mechanics in V are just cheesy, while IV's driving is more like a real car's driving mechanics and I feel like I have to actually pay attention, and that makes it more fun for me.

There really should be a first person driving option in GTA V, similar to the one in Watch Dogs makes the whole experience 10 times as enjoyable and immersive.

This, the first person view we have now isn't that immersive and they should update it to where we can actually see inside the car, see our hands moving on the steering wheel, etc. I guess they could add both but the absence of the latter kind of kills it for me.

June 4, 2014

I actually prefer the chase view for driving, first person views are too restrictive and you can't see where the edges of the car are and are always hitting something. I just hate how the camera doesn't stay centered. Very f*cking annoying

June 4, 2014

I think the perfect feeling would be like 60% V 40% IV. i.e. V's handling with a bit more bodyroll, suspension and less grip but still enough so that you can drive at high speed and weave through traffic. IV is much more fun for low speed driving but even then the twitchy feeling, understeer and especially bodyroll is just too exaggerated and needs to be toned down. V absolutely slays IV for high speed driving.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Hitman5

June 4, 2014

I like being able to see my car and the damage it's incurred, but first person view is definitely more immersive and adds replayability for sure. All they need to do is fix the handling, damage and add a true FP view, and V would easily be my favorite game of all time, bar none. Until then, it's a disappointment.

Oh, and more customization would be nice too.

Edited June 4, 2014 by suicidehummer

June 4, 2014

You do realize that detailed cabin views in games like GTA if they're running on consoles are unfeasible, right? There is only so much space on a console disc. The only reason games like Forza and the last Midnight Club games are able to do this is that the detail goes into the cars rather than the surroundings. Outside of the cars themselves, the map detail is pretty sh*t.

Obviously it'd be somewhat easier to implement on PC if Rockstar ever bother to make a PC version.

June 4, 2014

I play games for fun. I don't mind havering to work and get better at things in a game(like racing, or combat), but havering to spend 20+ hours practicing just getting to the next mission is just dumb...

The driving in GTAV is much more fun..

Who doesn't play a game for fun? Seriously if it takes you 20 hours to get a handle on it there's something wrong and I doubt it has anything to do with the game's physics. Some people make it seem as if driving in GTA IV is like performing brain surgery with a toothpick.

It's really not that difficult if you understand the basics of driving to begin with.

Don't get all butthurt and stand-offish just because I said something negative about your favorite game...

It's easy to point at a person and say "You must just suck and not know how to drive.", but at the end of all the day when you look past all the GTA4 fanboy cry-baby counter arguments there are two simple truths..

1. The majority of gamers claim the driving in GTA4 is broken.

And 2. RockStar obviously agreed because they made it a point to say "Look, we fixed the driving in 5."

If the driving wasn't f**ked in 4 the majority of players wouldn't have bitched, and if the majority wouldn't have been bitching RockStar wouldn't have gone threw the trouble to FIX it for 5..

Edited June 4, 2014 by Midyin84

June 4, 2014

I think the perfect feeling would be like 60% V 40% IV. i.e. V's handling with a bit more bodyroll, suspension and less grip but still enough so that you can drive at high speed and weave through traffic. IV is much more fun for low speed driving but even then the twitchy feeling, understeer and especially bodyroll is just too exaggerated and needs to be toned down. V absolutely slays IV for high speed driving.

If you wanna turn at high speed pick a sports car, leave the vans trucks family sedans and 70s land yachts alone. Sports cars in IV handle fine, it's not the game's fault if someone fails to escape the cops driving a Emperor.

June 4, 2014

First person has become my most utilized view for games such as Forza Horizon, and I noticed I drive much better with that view (as far as cornering). It is more immersive when it comes to driving but I'd like it better in IV. In V the view would always be stiff and shakey whilst in IV some cars would be stiff and some would smooth out most of the road's imperfections.

Anyways, please try out the suspension glitch in IV, I learned it from Lazyboy.:

- submerge your car into the water, but make sure it doesn't sink or die

- shoot at the sideskirts beside the wheels

- keep shooting near each wheel until the suspension drops two times

- *if you want the bullet holes to disappear* park your car somewhere and walk three blocks away from it. Come back to it and the bullet holes will be gone

You'll now have a lowered car and whilst it may look ridiculous, it becomes idiotically fun to drive. It'll overreact over road imperfections, steer with ease, drift even if your car is FWD, and it'll somehow feel faster. Also, the body roll will be almost absent but you'll get violent shaking, scraping, and crunching noises in exchange. So far the Comet is the funnest car to do this with but I will try the Infernus today. It is so low already that it might stall over every single pothole.

June 5, 2014

I play games for fun. I don't mind havering to work and get better at things in a game(like racing, or combat), but havering to spend 20+ hours practicing just getting to the next mission is just dumb...

The driving in GTAV is much more fun..

Who doesn't play a game for fun? Seriously if it takes you 20 hours to get a handle on it there's something wrong and I doubt it has anything to do with the game's physics. Some people make it seem as if driving in GTA IV is like performing brain surgery with a toothpick.
It's really not that difficult if you understand the basics of driving to begin with.

Don't get all butthurt and stand-offish just because I said something negative about your favorite game...

It's easy to point at a person and say "You must just suck and not know how to drive.", but at the end of all the day when you look past all the GTA4 fanboy cry-baby counter arguments there are two simple truths..

1. The majority of gamers claim the driving in GTA4 is broken.

And 2. RockStar obviously agreed because they made it a point to say "Look, we fixed the driving in 5."

If the driving wasn't f**ked in 4 the majority of players wouldn't have bitched, and if the majority wouldn't have been bitching RockStar wouldn't have gone threw the trouble to FIX it for 5..

Sounds like you're the one getting standoffish and butthurt all because I was giving my point of view in a debate thread nonetheless.

I guess what I was saying was a nicer way of saying you're the problem more so than GTA IV's physics if it take you 20 hours to get it right it.

I don't see anything wrong if you find GTA V's physics more fun. Everyone has their preferences, but it would be nice if the favour was around the other way instead of saying "I can't understand why people like GTA IV's driving" as it's not to hard to find posts from those that do in this thread.

June 6, 2014

If the driving wasn't f**ked in 4 the majority of players wouldn't have bitched, and if the majority wouldn't have been bitching RockStar wouldn't have gone threw the trouble to FIX it for 5..

But they didn't fix it, they changed it, there's a difference..

June 6, 2014

If the driving wasn't f**ked in 4 the majority of players wouldn't have bitched, and if the majority wouldn't have been bitching RockStar wouldn't have gone threw the trouble to FIX it for 5..

But they didn't fix it, they changed it, there's a difference..

Indeed, there's a difference between fixing and making it more suitable for those with no driving experience. Perhaps I was under the wrong impression because I thought that there were a lot more older people that were fans of this series. I can't imagine anyone that actually has driving experience saying, "oh yeah this feels much better".

Edited June 6, 2014 by DrAnomalous

June 6, 2014

Actually, I really prefer GTA V driving system over IV system.

Ok it feels arcady and a bit shallow, but it allows instant fun. If you know a few tricks, you can do very impressive stuff.

For exemple, I was playing GTA V (sp) with someone next to me watching me playing. I was driving a fast car at very high speed, I performed an handbrake turn with the little trick which allow you to perfectly control your car when you do a handbrake turn, even at high speed, and I managed to past between two very,very close walls. The guy who was watching me was totally stunned, and it was incredibly fun to play for me !

A trick like that would have been impossible in GTA IV, or it would have been a total fluck.

June 6, 2014

Actually, I really prefer GTA V driving system over IV system.

Ok it feels arcady and a bit shallow, but it allows instant fun. If you know a few tricks, you can do very impressive stuff.

For exemple, I was playing GTA V (sp) with someone next to me watching me playing. I was driving a fast car at very high speed, I performed an handbrake turn with the little trick which allow you to perfectly control your car when you do a handbrake turn, even at high speed, and I managed to past between two very,very close walls. The guy who was watching me was totally stunned, and it was incredibly fun to play for me !

A trick like that would have been impossible in GTA IV, or it would have been a total fluck.

I've pulled way more "tricks" in IV than I have in V. A talented bike stunt guy on YouTube used to pull some astonishing stunts with IV, but when he got to V, it was almost impossible. He was forced to pull some lame as stunts instead in V.

June 7, 2014

After just trying out GTA V again after not touching it since new years eve, I think I have finally decided what I like and dont like from both IV and V.

First taking a look at IV (that I'm most familiar with):

The feedback I get from the vehicle I'm using is pretty close to perfect. You hear tyre screeching before burning rubber, indicating the limit of grip, aswell as associating that screech with the body roll angle at certain speeds. When braking the brakes will "whine" and depending on the car it will sound more on cars with strongers brakes or higher grip levels. The chassis will also make some "bending" noises under heavy stress from uneven road.

Cars have the ability to lose grip to such an extent that there's next to no grip left. Pretty much like ice, but this will only really happen when wheels lock or the weight shifting goes horribly wrong.

Bikes have the same grip abilities as cars, but the front-rear balance can be controlled by leaning back or forth when turning. This helps with really perfecting high speed driving on bikes.

So what about V?

I feel that the feedback here is pretty damn bad. Since there amount of bodyroll is really tiny on most cars, you need the eye of an eagle to spot it on most. This means that I cant know for sure exactly how much I'm turning in relation to the limits of the car. So losing grip from tiny changes in road can come as a surprise because there was next to no way for me to anticipate. Apart from that the rest of the feedback is pretty much the same, hearing the brakes whine when braking and the chassis fighting back from sudden bumps and such.

Props for them improving the way vehicles accelerate, making gear changes faster and less interrupting (for trucks).

The grip of the cars and especially the bikes feel so anti-climatic. We all know by know that drifting/sliding a bike just wont ever happen aswell as leaning being just as lackluster, so I'll leave bikes at that.

Cars on the other hand have a very unnatural grip curve. They start off with very low amounts of grip, causing flashy but just as annoying wheelspin on more or less any car from a stop. But then as the car has reached a certain speed, the grip is now where it should've been in the first place, with the remaining grip curve behaving very closely to what it was like in IV. The only problem from this point on is that the cars are way too sensitive. I often find myself barely moving the stick to even take rather sharp turns, constantly in fear that I'll turn just a little too much to spin out or fly to the moon or something.

Props for them finding a way to fix cars from ramping off of curbs, but that it pops onto them even at low speeds cause more problems than necessary. A speed vs grip threshold would be appropriate here.

The conclusion...

GTA V, to me, is pretty @$$ backwards in the sense that cars now are a LOT more sensitive to input, but offer like half the amount of feedback compared to what IV had. So driving even at low speeds feels like a gamble, I can just never be sure if the car has more to give or if I'm already preparing myself for epic failure.

On the other hand though, it's rather entertaining to drive in V. If all cars would have a similiar amount of body roll to that of the Picador as a minimum, that would've been great. I dont care that it looks silly to some, but we're driving cars as if they're worth nothing in this game. A car in real life wouldnt be able to perfectly handle all of the punishment we give. Heck, even rally cars have a lot more body roll in comparison!

And um... handbrake turns with cars are also very meh. In IV I could spin a car around at relatively low speeds with ease, but it's really difficult to spin around in V unless the wheels have let go off the ground at one point. But at that point you're probably screwed either way. Reckless driving is a no no, dont ever try to drift around a corner. You'll probably get done up the butt by the game.

TL;DR GTA V really lacks feedback and should probably have a setting for steering sensitivity/saturation. Also, what the heck happened to the bikes? They've never been this boring in any GTA before V... (between Vice City and IV that is)

June 7, 2014

I noticed it seems hard to drive at 1st when your driving rating is down but as it goes up, it becomes much easier.

I noticed the same thing with flying too.

June 7, 2014

I noticed it seems hard to drive at 1st when your driving rating is down but as it goes up, it becomes much easier.

I noticed the same thing with flying too.

I mean, what else would happen...?

June 7, 2014