The Driving Debate

[MercyfulFate151]

If you like the new babby physics in GTAV, this means that:

 

 

1. You think drifting is NOT fun and should NOT be part of the game.

 

2. You think losing control of the car due to wreckless driving is NOT fun and should NOT be part of the game.

 

 

Is this really what you think? If so, then we can draw the following conclusions:

 

 

1. You have a boring personality and would likely enjoy shooting fish in a barrel.

 

2. You know absolutely nothing about cars or car culture. Look at the kind of criticism cars get on Top Gear for being too boring and understeery. Even the almighty Nissan GTR was deemed too boring and easy to drive in its first iteration, then it was improved in later versions.

 

3. You lack the fine muscle control to input precise amounts of steering input on the analogue stick (see FPSfreek addons which help tremendously with this).

 

 

But mostly, you just don't care about cars. That's just it really, you don't care how ridiculous the game looks with the cars whizzing all over the place in physically impossible ways because YOU JUST DON'T APPRECIATE CARS. Your attitude towards them is most likely that they are nothing more than a tool for getting from point A to point B. If you had any sort of passion for cars you would not stand for the handling in V.

 

You're a huge loser. This is a videogame that's about far more than just cars and the driving is fine. You're basically not a fan of video games and just want to whine about realism.

[GtaVdrivingsucks]

It sucks balls!!!! Ever car feels the same, SUVs have no under steer, taxis that should have under steer don't, the driving mechanics reminded me of crazy taxi.... Not good at all.

every curb you go up there's a skip even in SUVs Which have soft suspension..

 

Has anyone seen the film built??? The charger in it has massive under steer and you can see it in the film!! sharp right.. Left side of the car is on the floor the car is almost flipping over.

 

that's another thing.. in gta IV when you hit a car with a bus or a truck it would roll. I find it almost impossible!!! It's like all cars are fixed to the floor!!!

[sonic_blue]

This is a videogame that's about far more than just cars

 

 

I beg to differ. Most of the game is spent stealing, driving and exploring the city in CARS. Even the title of the game implies that it's mostly about cars.

 

From your comments I can tell that you probably are not a car enthusiast. That's ok, because I believe the game should cater to all types of players. Currently it's only catering to non-car enthusiasts. That is a problem for a game that is mostly concerned with cars and driving of said cars which would tend to attract people who are in fact car enthusiasts.

 

I'm sorry that it's so painful for you to have to read complaints about this game, but spare a thought for us on the other side of the fence who have been so trivially denied a more robust handling model which clearly exists and has been deliberately removed for no good reason whatsoever, given that it would be trivial to enable as an option in the menu (eg. vehicle handling: normal / simulation).

[Zinthaniel]

 

This is a videogame that's about far more than just cars

 

 

I beg to differ. Most of the game is spent stealing, driving and exploring the city in CARS. Even the title of the game implies that it's mostly about cars.

 

From your comments I can tell that you probably are not a car enthusiast. That's ok, because I believe the game should cater to all types of players. Currently it's only catering to non-car enthusiasts. That is a problem for a game that is mostly concerned with cars and driving of said cars which would tend to attract people who are in fact car enthusiasts.

 

I'm sorry that it's so painful for you to have to read complaints about this game, but spare a thought for us on the other side of the fence who have been so trivially denied a more robust handling model which clearly exists and has been deliberately removed for no good reason whatsoever, given that it would be trivial to enable as an option in the menu (eg. vehicle handling: normal / simulation).

 

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I agree there should be an option for gamers like yourself.

[MercyfulFate151]

 

This is a videogame that's about far more than just cars

 

 

I beg to differ. Most of the game is spent stealing, driving and exploring the city in CARS. Even the title of the game implies that it's mostly about cars.

 

From your comments I can tell that you probably are not a car enthusiast. That's ok, because I believe the game should cater to all types of players. Currently it's only catering to non-car enthusiasts. That is a problem for a game that is mostly concerned with cars and driving of said cars which would tend to attract people who are in fact car enthusiasts.

 

I'm sorry that it's so painful for you to have to read complaints about this game, but spare a thought for us on the other side of the fence who have been so trivially denied a more robust handling model which clearly exists and has been deliberately removed for no good reason whatsoever, given that it would be trivial to enable as an option in the menu (eg. vehicle handling: normal / simulation).

 

The title of the game comes from long ago and the game has clearly evolved so far that it's clearly not the only thing the game is about. I said "It's about far more than just cars" which is true, so what you said is pointless.

 

You don't know anything about me, and most of the complaints about the driving are downright wrong. People saying an SUV feels like a sports car? That's not true. Complaining about realistic damage? Incorrect. On and on.

 

You're basically whining about nothing, like all the complainers without a genuine reason to complain. Then, you're doing the gaming hipster thing and saying "Wah you're not a car enthusiast/ You're a filthy casual gamer" when this game is about a LOT more than just cars! This isn't Gran Turismo. This isn't a driving simulator, yet you're acting as if it should be.

 

Makes no sense, and it's obnoxious to read. Every time a new game in a series come out, people whine about the changes. GTA IV was a boring game, GTA 5 is less so despite it's technical faults.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[sonic_blue]

The title of the game comes from long ago and the game has clearly evolved so far that it's clearly not the only thing the game is about. I said "It's about far more than just cars" which is true, so what you said is pointless.

 

 

You don't know anything about me, and most of the complaints about the driving are downright wrong. People saying an SUV feels like a sports car? That's not true. Complaining about realistic damage? Incorrect. On and on.

 

You're basically whining about nothing, like all the complainers without a genuine reason to complain. Then, you're doing the gaming hipster thing and saying "Wah you're not a car enthusiast/ You're a filthy casual gamer" when this game is about a LOT more than just cars! This isn't Gran Turismo. This isn't a driving simulator, yet you're acting as if it should be.

 

Makes no sense, and it's obnoxious to read. Every time a new game in a series come out, people whine about the changes. GTA IV was a boring game, GTA 5 is less so despite it's technical faults.

 

 

How does any of this justify them not providing an option to switch to the more realistic physics model?

 

Are you saying it's better for them to force everyone to use the arcade style physics? On what basis?

 

I disagree with everything you have said. If GTA4 physics were so bad, why did it sell so many copies? Do you honestly believe that if GTA5 had 4's physics, that everyone would be getting rid of their copies? Or that upon finding out that GTA5 had simulation-like physics prior to its release, that it wouldn't have sold so many copies in the first place?

[MercyfulFate151]

 

The title of the game comes from long ago and the game has clearly evolved so far that it's clearly not the only thing the game is about. I said "It's about far more than just cars" which is true, so what you said is pointless.

 

 

You don't know anything about me, and most of the complaints about the driving are downright wrong. People saying an SUV feels like a sports car? That's not true. Complaining about realistic damage? Incorrect. On and on.

 

You're basically whining about nothing, like all the complainers without a genuine reason to complain. Then, you're doing the gaming hipster thing and saying "Wah you're not a car enthusiast/ You're a filthy casual gamer" when this game is about a LOT more than just cars! This isn't Gran Turismo. This isn't a driving simulator, yet you're acting as if it should be.

 

Makes no sense, and it's obnoxious to read. Every time a new game in a series come out, people whine about the changes. GTA IV was a boring game, GTA 5 is less so despite it's technical faults.

 

 

How does any of this justify them not providing an option to switch to the more realistic physics model?

 

Are you saying it's better for them to force everyone to use the arcade style physics? On what basis?

 

I disagree with everything you have said. If GTA4 physics were so bad, why did it sell so many copies? Do you honestly believe that if GTA5 had 4's physics, that everyone would be getting rid of their copies? Or that upon finding out that GTA5 had simulation-like physics prior to its release, that it wouldn't have sold so many copies in the first place?

 

 

I said nothing about an option, you did.

 

What? I said nothing of the sort about that either. This is what they chose and if you don't like it, talk to them. Not us.

 

Where did I say GTAIV's physics were bad? What are you even talking about? I said the game was BORING, and it was. It also had a terrible friend system, a boring, too small city, and not much to do that wasn't super repetitive.

 

I said NOTHING that you just said. NOTHING. None of your questions MAKE SENSE! GTAIV sold copies, no crap. So did 5. They all do, what does that have to do with anything.

 

Please stop making up strawmen to argue with.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[sonic_blue]

 

I said nothing about an option, you did.

 

So you don't mind us complaining about not having simulation-style physics as an optional extra? Then what is your problem?

 

 

This is what they chose and if you don't like it, talk to them. Not us.

 

 

Unfortunately R* don't have an official forum, and this place is the next best thing. What other place should we go to to talk about these issues?

 

Over 1000 have signed the petition thanks to this forum, I think we are doing this in the right place, for now at least.

 

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/rockstar-add-an-option-to-gta-5-to-change-the-driving-mechanics-back-to-gta-4-style-2?share_id=KMzVeyJPZe&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

 

 

 

 

Where did I say GTAIV's physics were bad? What are you even talking about?

 

 

If GTA4's physics are not bad, then what is your issue with us wanting to have those physics in GTA5?

 

 

 

I said the game was BORING, and it was. It also had a terrible friend system, a boring, too small city, and not much to do that wasn't super repetitive.

 

 

I actually agree with you here. The single player campaign of 4 was boring and repetitive. The only thing redeeming it was multiplayer (in particular Free Mode) in which the vehicle physics were the main contributor to the fun factor. Especially the Annihilator, which of course has been removed and replaced with a nerfed Buzzard in GTA5.

 

 

 

I said NOTHING that you just said. NOTHING. None of your questions MAKE SENSE! GTAIV sold copies, no crap. So did 5. They all do, what does that have to do with anything.

 

 

It has to do with you needing a reason why noobifying the car physics is a good thing.

[MercyfulFate151]

So you don't mind us complaining about not having simulation-style physics as an optional extra? Then what is your problem?

 

I mind about stupid and pointless whining that goes nowhere and happens with EVERY VIDEO GAME EVER MADE.

Unfortunately R* don't have an official forum, and this place is the next best thing. What other place should we go to to talk about these issues?

Over 1000 have signed the petition thanks to this forum, I think we are doing this in the right place, for now at least.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/rockstar-add-an-option-to-gta-5-to-change-the-driving-mechanics-back-to-gta-4-style-2?share_id=KMzVeyJPZe&utm_campaign=mailto_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

 

That's nice, I don't care.

 

If GTA4's physics are not bad, then what is your issue with us wanting to have those physics in GTA5?

 

We never talked about that, at all. You brought it up AFTER my first post and I didn't mention a THING about it.

 

I actually agree with you here. The single player campaign of 4 was boring and repetitive. The only thing redeeming it was multiplayer (in particular Free Mode) in which the vehicle physics were the main contributor to the fun factor. Especially the Annihilator, which of course has been removed and replaced with a nerfed Buzzard in GTA5.

Again, don't care.

 

 

 

 

It has to do with you needing a reason why noobifying the car physics is a good thing.

 

The game plays fine as does the driving, I'm sick of being told I'm wrong because it's fine, because it is fine.

 

Thats fine, you want a new option that you won't get, IDGAF. That's not what I'm annoyed with, nor did I ever say I was annoyed with it. Know why? You're the first person I've seen say that. The annoying thing is:

 

"Wah this game sucks driving sucks GTAIV was better" - Opinion, not actually true.

 

"Wah car damage doesn't exist" - Not true.

 

"Wah cars decelerate too fast" - Not true.

 

On and on into infinity. You're talking to a phantom as I said nothing about your precious selector that Rockstar will not create for you because they'd have to change the entire game.

 

GTA 5 is essentially the successor to GTA: San Andreas, which was the all out, arcady, crazy game. IV was boring because it stepped back from that and tried to be too serious. I didn't find the driving fun in that game, at all. I find 5 far more fun, and saying they "noobed" the driving is nonsense. They decided to keep good parts of IV and make it more open, outlandish and fun like SA, and they succeeded. You don't like that they changed the driving to be more fun, whatever. No one is stopping you from playing GTAIV. Go back to it then.

 

So, we're done here. GTA5 driving is fine. Goodbye.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[TempAccount]

 

 

GTA5 driving is fine.

 

 

I agree with you, except for this part.

[sonic_blue]

it is fine

 

You'll have a tough time justifying the car physics are "fine" to anyone who is a car enthusiast, which I imagine makes up a significant portion of us.

 

That's nice, I don't care.

...Again, don't care.

 

You seem to care considering the length of your post.

 

I'll just say that I don't care that you care about complainers (which, ironically, you are complaining about yourself).

 

 

Rockstar will not create for you because they'd have to change the entire game.

 

 

Wrong. So wrong. The "slidey cars" cheat already loads a much better traction model for RWD cars and offroading. The physics engine is still there, it's just running under different settings. For some reason they thought a forced noob setting was a good thing. And, of course, you are advocating it, so that makes you a noob as well. Sorry, you just are. In its current form the player does not even need to use the controls in an analogue and progressive fashion; RT may as well be RB (either 100% throttle or 0% throttle), same for steering.

 

 

 

I didn't find the driving fun in that game, at all. I find 5 far more fun

 

 

 

That's funny because we had way more fun in 4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTOwSXJv5hA

 

Good luck doing any of that with the new babby physics for noobs.

Edited September 22, 2013 by sonic_blue

[HamSandwich]

So if the driving mechanics were too boat like? why did they mess with how it looks when you jump out of a car?

 

5 is not even as clean as san andreas was WTF WTF WTF WTF

[MercyfulFate151]

 

You'll have a tough time justifying the car physics are "fine" to anyone who is a car enthusiast, which I imagine makes up a significant portion of us.

 

 

You seem to care considering the length of your post.

 

I'll just say that I don't care that you care about complainers (which, ironically, you are complaining about yourself).

 

That's funny because we had way more fun in 4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTOwSXJv5hA

 

Good luck doing any of that with the new babby physics for noobs.

 

 

You can barely keep a coherent argument together, you're babbling and making things up I never said more than once. You're a car enthusiast like I'm an astronaut, you're a whiner, whining about driving in a fricken video game not being what you wanted.

 

I said "I don't care" about two specific points you moron. You're really slow, are you like a 14 year old? Go play Gran Turismo and stop trying to act superior because you're a sad whiner.

 

Guess what? PLAY IV or PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! Also, you misused irony. Sorry.

 

You came in, whined and whined, got what I said totally wrong and you keep making up strawmen because you're desperate to be right about something very few have an issue with. On top of that you're comparing a game that was modded out the wahoo vs. a brand new game. It's not comparable.

 

Get over yourself you obsessive weirdo.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

I honestly take back everything I said this month. The way the cars drive, the way the planes handle, everything just feels awesome!

[MercyfulFate151]

I honestly take back everything I said this month. The way the cars drive, the way the planes handle, everything just feels awesome!

 

I'm sorry, that makes you a noob who doesn't appreciate real cars. /sarcasm

[Agni]

 

You can barely keep a coherent argument together, you're babbling and making things up I never said more than once. You're a car enthusiast like I'm an astronaut, you're a whiner, whining about driving in a fricken video game not being what you wanted.

 

I said "I don't care" about two specific points you moron. You're really slow, are you like a 14 year old? Go play Gran Turismo and stop trying to act superior because you're a sad whiner.

 

Guess what? PLAY IV or PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! Also, you misused irony. Sorry.

 

You came in, whined and whined, got what I said totally wrong and you keep making up strawmen because you're desperate to be right about something very few have an issue with. On top of that you're comparing a game that was modded out the wahoo vs. a brand new game. It's not comparable.

 

Get over yourself you obsessive weirdo.

 

 

 

>All this projecting

 

Might wanna stop projecting there buddy, you could cut someone with all that passive-aggressive fanboishness.

[MercyfulFate151]

 

 

You can barely keep a coherent argument together, you're babbling and making things up I never said more than once. You're a car enthusiast like I'm an astronaut, you're a whiner, whining about driving in a fricken video game not being what you wanted.

 

I said "I don't care" about two specific points you moron. You're really slow, are you like a 14 year old? Go play Gran Turismo and stop trying to act superior because you're a sad whiner.

 

Guess what? PLAY IV or PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! Also, you misused irony. Sorry.

 

You came in, whined and whined, got what I said totally wrong and you keep making up strawmen because you're desperate to be right about something very few have an issue with. On top of that you're comparing a game that was modded out the wahoo vs. a brand new game. It's not comparable.

 

Get over yourself you obsessive weirdo.

 

 

 

>All this projecting

 

Might wanna stop projecting there buddy, you could cut someone with all that passive-aggressive fanboishness.

 

 

How is that being a fanboy because some nerd is screaming nonsense at me and I'm putting him in his place? I have a bunch of issues with this game, so you're making no sense either. Dipsh*t.

[sonic_blue]

 

You can barely keep a coherent argument together, you're babbling and making things up I never said more than once. You're a car enthusiast like I'm an astronaut, you're a whiner, whining about driving in a fricken video game not being what you wanted.

 

I said "I don't care" about two specific points you moron. You're really slow, are you like a 14 year old? Go play Gran Turismo and stop trying to act superior because you're a sad whiner.

 

Guess what? PLAY IV or PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! Also, you misused irony. Sorry.

 

You came in, whined and whined, got what I said totally wrong and you keep making up strawmen because you're desperate to be right about something very few have an issue with. On top of that you're comparing a game that was modded out the wahoo vs. a brand new game. It's not comparable.

 

Get over yourself you obsessive weirdo.

 

 

1. Yes I am a car enthusiast, and yes there are many of us.

 

2. No you are not an astronaut, what does that have to do with anything?

 

3. Yes I do play Gran Turismo and Forza, and they are good games. What does that have to do with anything?

 

4. "Go play something else" ... What else is there that offers simulation-like physics in a sandbox environment?

 

5. No, didn't misuse irony. You used language to express a meaning which signifies the opposite to that meaning, i.e "complaining about complainers.". That is irony by definition.

 

6. No, the game's physics were not modded. Yes, Ramps were added, but that is irrelevant to demonstrating the workings of the physics model in action.

 

So, wrong on all accounts.

 

Try again.

[MercyfulFate151]

1. Sure you are, that's why you're posting videos of stunts off buildings with motorcycles to complain about driving physics and REALISM? Are you insane?

 

2. You're not very bright, are you? Did you really miss that sarcastic insult?

 

3. Everyone is whining about the unrealistic physics and GTA4's being better, ergo, go play Gran Turismo if you want "real car" experiences like you keep wanting. Duh. How aren't you getting this?

 

4. See above. Play something else if you just want to whine so much that you being attacking strawmen.

 

5. Incorrect, you said it was ironic I complained. Irony = Sarcasm. That's not irony, try again.

 

6. The GAME was modded, and the ramps are proof of said modifications. Tell me how doing insane tricks is realistic again, since so many people are complaining about the lack of realism, including you.

 

I was right, you're wrong again. You've failed. Give it up, I wasn't even talking to you originally now you're wasting my time. I'm trying to play GTA5 you little 14 year old, now shut it.

 

I don't even think you know why you're arguing with me, especially since you kept bringing up an optional physics mode I had mentioned nothing about.

 

You're such a cliche, just being that guy that whines that something in the previous game was so much better. Your original post is the most obnoxious, loser thing I've ever seen on a forum. That's saying something. You're insulting EVERYONE who doesn't think like you because you're an insecure dickf*ck who needs to spend time away from the computer. Christ.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

I honestly don't see the fuss. I mean over powered cars handle stupid but if you balance out the handling it is pretty awesome. I got a Carbonizzare to hug the road around many of Los Santos northern roads. It was awesome feeling like I could execute those corners perfectly. I mean IV's physics are also good but these physics fit V.

 

The suspension is... weird. Very stiff like too stiff even on comfort cars, but oh well. The damage is nothing to me, who cares. The cars burn realistically if you simply light them up and the damage is acceptable. Nobody bitched about San Andreas did they?

[MercyfulFate151]

I honestly don't see the fuss. I mean over powered cars handle stupid but if you balance out the handling it is pretty awesome. I got a Carbonizzare to hug the road around many of Los Santos northern roads. It was awesome feeling like I could execute those corners perfectly. I mean IV's physics are also good but these physics fit V.

 

The suspension is... weird. Very stiff like too stiff even on comfort cars, but oh well. The damage is nothing to me, who cares. The cars burn realistically if you simply light them up and the damage is acceptable. Nobody bitched about San Andreas did they?

 

People can think whatever they want, problem comes in when they're like sonic_blue and say "You're a stupid noob who doesn't know card if you like GTA5's cars" which is so ignorant and arrogant he needs a kick to the teeth for it. People can like IV's over V's all they want. That's fine, I think V's is fine and fits the game as well.

[dg101]

 

I was right, you're wrong again. You've failed. Give it up, I wasn't even talking to you originally now you're wasting my time. I'm trying to play GTA5 you little 14 year old, now shut it.

 

You're actively trying and claiming to win an argument with this "14 year old" as you put it. Right there? That's where you lose.

[sonic_blue]

Sure you are, that's why you're posting videos of stunts off buildings with motorcycles to complain about driving physics and REALISM? Are you insane?

 

No? What's wrong with the physics in the stunt videos? Are you saying they are not realistic enough? The gravity, traction and momentum look pretty good to me. What do you think should happen when launching a motorcycle off a ramp at that kind of speed? But any such argument would be contrary to your position that realism is not required

 

btw who says that realism =/= fun? Didn't R* say they want the game to be as real as possible?

 

 

Play something else if you just want to whine so much

 

I do play those games you mentioned, but why would that mean I don't want to play GTA5 as well?

 

 

Incorrect, you said it was ironic I complained. Irony = Sarcasm. That's not irony, try again.

 

i·ro·ny

/ˈīrənē/

Noun

The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

You used language that signifies the opposite, insofar as your complaint that people should stop complaining. Irony =/= sarcasm.

The GAME was modded

 

So? The physics weren't. If it was the drift mod, then you'd have a point.

[MercyfulFate151]

 

 

I was right, you're wrong again. You've failed. Give it up, I wasn't even talking to you originally now you're wasting my time. I'm trying to play GTA5 you little 14 year old, now shut it.

 

You're actively trying and claiming to win an argument with this "14 year old" as you put it. Right there? That's where you lose.

 

 

I said I won/was trying to win? Wasn't aware I did, thanks for letting me know.

[MercyfulFate151]

 

 

Incorrect, you said it was ironic I complained. Irony = Sarcasm. That's not irony, try again.

 

i·ro·ny

/ˈīrənē/

Noun

The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

You used language that signifies the opposite, insofar as your complaint that people should stop complaining. Irony =/= sarcasm.

 

 

"Yeah, you're a real smart guy" = Sarcasm = Irony. You're saying something when you mean the opposite, i.e. "You're not very smart".

 

This is your final lesson of the day. Stay in school kid. Next time, don't walk around telling people they're incorrect noobs because they enjoy part of a game you don't, and you won't have to be responded to as such. I'm ignoring the rest of what you said because I'm done with you.

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[RASPY]

 

This is a videogame that's about far more than just cars

 

 

I beg to differ. Most of the game is spent stealing, driving and exploring the city in CARS. Even the title of the game implies that it's mostly about cars.

 

From your comments I can tell that you probably are not a car enthusiast. That's ok, because I believe the game should cater to all types of players. Currently it's only catering to non-car enthusiasts. That is a problem for a game that is mostly concerned with cars and driving of said cars which would tend to attract people who are in fact car enthusiasts.

 

I'm sorry that it's so painful for you to have to read complaints about this game, but spare a thought for us on the other side of the fence who have been so trivially denied a more robust handling model which clearly exists and has been deliberately removed for no good reason whatsoever, given that it would be trivial to enable as an option in the menu (eg. vehicle handling: normal / simulation).

 

 

RT

[sonic_blue]

Next time, don't walk around telling people they're incorrect noobs because they enjoy part of a game you don't, and you won't have to be responded to as such.

 

 

Just to be clear, I'm not calling anyone incorrect for wanting a simpler physics model, but by the same reasoning you can't call me incorrect for wanting a more realistic one.

 

The solution seems to give both parties what they want. I will wait until the patch comes out in 2 weeks time. It's probably been finalized already, so the chances of any changes are probably slim at best, but until the next patch after that, I'm out.

 

Off to EB games to return my copy...

[dozer1530]

how do you get the lifted f 250 in to 4 wheel drive???? for 360

it says 4x4 on the truck

Edited September 22, 2013 by dozer1530

[MercyfulFate151]

 

Next time, don't walk around telling people they're incorrect noobs because they enjoy part of a game you don't, and you won't have to be responded to as such.

 

 

Just to be clear, I'm not calling anyone incorrect for wanting a simpler physics model, but by the same reasoning you can't call me incorrect for wanting a more realistic one.

 

The solution seems to give both parties what they want. I will wait until the patch comes out in 2 weeks time. It's probably been finalized already, so the chances of any changes are probably slim at best, but until the next patch after that, I'm out.

 

Off to EB games to return my copy...

 

 

 

I never said you were incorrect for wanting a different one, and you absolutely did say people were wrong for liking this one, Read the OP I responded to, you called everyone WRONG and NOOBS that likes it as is. That's pretty insulting, don't do that.

 

There won't be a patch for that from Rockstar, guaranteed. Not that soon anyway. There will be mods eventually, but an official patch? Doubt it.

 

Oh, so you do want to get rid of the game? Why'd you keep saying you didn't understand why I told you to play something else? The fact that the driving makes you return a game and it's not broken is pretty sad wouldn't you say?

Edited September 22, 2013 by MercyfulFate151

[TheInsider]

If you're a car enthusiast, play Forza. If you're a gun enthusiast, play Call of Duty. It's really that simple. Rockstar can only do so much with the vast number of elements in this game. Tennis isn't going to be like Top Spin, and golf isn't going to be like PGA Tour 2014.