Any Mixed race people here?

[The_Real_Deal]

Maybe you would have to actually be American to understand that.

I have watched American tv shows, listened to American music and followed American news all my life. I think saying I'm not an American is a cheap cop out. If I'd have lied to you and said I was an American and would've put an American flag next to my name you would've believed me.

 

I see the rest of my argumentation is undisputed, so that is all I had to say.

You have no argument, the fact is, you're not American and have no experience as a citizen. And even if you said you were, I'd strongly suspect you were lying, as your opinions do not compute with the plainly obvious. I almost thought you were joking when you said the source of your knowledge was American TV shows, music, and "news". Sit back and enjoy the show feeling smug man, every other foreigner seems to.

 

 

@ EscoLehGo - I have been honest the whole time, but I think you might be looking for a fight. So I'll let the Detroit issue stand on it's own. Any clarification you may want can be had from things I have already said.

[Andreas]

My grandmother is from Croatia, so I'm 75% Austrian, and 25% Croatian. That explains why my skin is relatively dark despite the fact that I have blond hair.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian

[EscoLehGo]

@ EscoLehGo - I have been honest the whole time, but I think you might be looking for a fight. So I'll let the Detroit issue stand on it's own. Any clarification you may want can be had from things I have already said.[/color][/size][/i]

"But I'm sure leaving a majority black population to run the city was not the best idea, for what ever reasons there may have been. It's hard to go into it really without offending somebody."

 

That's all I was asking you to expand on, you're coming off as frightened to do so and that's fine. I'd ask you to tell me in a PM but I don't think I care enough about it, just wanted to see if you'd actually come out and say what you've been hinting at in your last few posts.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

Yes, but in the US the 'superfluous' population is thrown in jail for minor crimes like small drug offenses, which is why the US has such an insane jail population, and has a sh*tty healthcare system, and a sh*tty education system. Minorities are kept down. If you don't let them participate and keep them poor, no wonder they'll stay in their own group.

 

A lot is made of why the US corrections population is disproportionately black, but it's not because they are considered superfluous. The justice system in America is by no means perfect, but every US citizen is entitled to the same rights, such as legal protection, and a trial by jury. Everyone in a US prison has had that. That's not to say money couldn't buy you more effective legal counsel than you might receive from the state free of charge, or that there aren't wrong convictions. But nobody in America goes to prison for no reason. The laws aren't different for blacks than they are for whites. But the fact is, the majority of violence/drug/theft related crimes are committed by a relatively small section of society, who happen to be black. If there are any favors made in the courtroom, it's not due to the color of someone's skin.

 

There may have been a time when blacks in America had a reason to feel someone was keeping them down, but that time is no more. There are so many opportunities in the US to gain an education and build a successful life. Nobody has to sell drugs, rob stores, or live the thug life to survive. That's a cop out. But black culture in America has a way of glamorizing dysfunction and lawlessness - American rap music does it all the time. Like being a drug dealer, making money through illegal means, killing foes and mistreating women is something to aspire to. Some people actually buy into it, but the smart ones bypass all that.

Judging from your posts I couldn't tell if you are trolling, a bigot, or just one of those ignorant sheltered folks who takes everything at face value but it's looking more like the latter. It's really not even worth arguing with you about the numerous barriers in the US legal, educational, and socioeconomic system for blacks simply because you seem like someone who doesn't want to be educated on the matter. You like the way your own ideas sound in your head, so you cling to them disregarding truths. There are several studies, reports, and all out empirical evidence behind the fact that blacks have it harder in the US. The whole "blacks aren't being lynched and sprayed with water hoses in the street anymore so they should be all caught up to white American living standards" perspective is generally held by the misinformed and racially bigoted.

 

 

You have to remember that simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them. They have to first be educated and exposed to the benefit of taking advantage of these opportunities. Affirmative action does no good if the social resources aren't even in place to push folks to the college and corporate level of the socioeconomic ladder. You might think, "Hell, they oughta take advantage of the few opportunities they have. Look at [insert anomaly rags to riches story]. He did it." Well you can't really judge black culture in the aggregate with the metrics of such extreme cases. It's easy to just sit behind a computer with all of your utilities on and a full refrigerator calling the black "thug" a dumb ass for dealing drugs and landing in prison. You can't ignore the developmental/environmental factors of the human experience and just look at the choices.

 

 

If you do want to be educated on the matter, then take an Anthropology course for Christ's sake.

Edited August 28, 2013 by canttakemyid

[The_Real_Deal]

@ EscoLehGo - I have been honest the whole time, but I think you might be looking for a fight. So I'll let the Detroit issue stand on it's own. Any clarification you may want can be had from things I have already said.

"But I'm sure leaving a majority black population to run the city was not the best idea, for what ever reasons there may have been. It's hard to go into it really without offending somebody."

 

That's all I was asking you to expand on, you're coming off as frightened to do so and that's fine. I'd ask you to tell me in a PM but I don't think I care enough about it, just wanted to see if you'd actually come out and say what you've been hinting at in your last few posts.

Not frightened, just sensitive to the fact that it's a sensitive topic - and not even on topic as far as this thread is concerned. I think everyone here has been pretty real, without getting too bent out of shape.

[Ilikehotcrossbuns]

@The_Real Deal: I'd rather see humanity become one group that moves forward with a common goal. Why would you want to see humanity as something split up in different groups? Differences in interest between people are one of the main causes of social and political problems. Groups cause differences in interest. So groups dissolving should be a goal.

 

Racial groups dissolving doesn't have to be done by racial mixing per se, but easier would be to just start seeing each other as individuals in stead of as white or black.

I gather you're not in the US. I can't speak for other places, but many blacks in the US - I might even say most, separate themselves. They identify themselves as black, and may even criticize other blacks they do not deem as acting "black enough". Historically, they've sought equal rights, while seeking special treatment at the same time. And still hold a grudge for being made slaves of over a hundred years ago. It's almost impossible to assess black culture in America honestly without sounding like bigot. The city of Detroit, which is almost entirely run by blacks today, is a classic example of a great city gone to ruin.

 

And that's without even mentioning the other cultures who inhabit the US. Other nations probably find it odd the Americans are hung up on race, and maybe it is. But it's brought about through various groups of people who want what they want, and will not compromise. We're still learning to coexist, and maintain our identities, without stepping on each other's toes. Everyone has their own ideas, and level of evolution, so that may never happen. So the best you can do is find people who are like yourself, and who share your ideals, and stick with them. Which is what humans have always done. We are all tribal and seperatist to some extent.

Yes, but in the US the 'superfluous' population is thrown in jail for minor crimes like small drug offenses, which is why the US has such an insane jail population, and has a sh*tty healthcare system, and a sh*tty education system. Minorities are kept down. If you don't let them participate and keep them poor, no wonder they'll stay in their own group.

 

Edit: @Ilikehotcrossbuns, Can you please stop the flaming? The_Real_Deal is expressing his views in a civilized way. The fact that you can't refute them rationally doesn't mean you have to go flame him. If you have no arguments left then just stop posting. It's as simple as that.

Listen pal, if arguing with people who have no actual points and just shove propaganda down your throat is what you need to get wood then hey, I'm not going to judge, but do not accuse me of 'flaming' just because I have neither the time nor the energy for it. It's generally wise not to start fights with the people that are on your side.

[M4RK]

I'm half white and half awesome

[The_Real_Deal]

Judging from your posts I couldn't tell if you are trolling, a bigot, or just one of those ignorant sheltered folks who takes everything at face value but it's looking more like the latter. It's really not even worth arguing with you about the numerous barriers in the US legal, educational, and socioeconomic system for blacks simply because you seem like someone who doesn't want to be educated on the matter. You like the way your own ideas sound in your head, so you cling to them disregarding truths. There are several studies, reports, and all out empirical evidence behind the fact that blacks have it harder in the US. The whole "blacks aren't being lynched and sprayed with water hoses in the street anymore so they should be all caught up to white American living standards" perspective is generally held by the misinformed and racially bigoted.

 

 

You have to remember that simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them. They have to first be educated and exposed to the benefit of taking advantage of these opportunities. Affirmative action does no good if the social resources aren't even in place to push folks to the college and corporate level of the socioeconomic ladder. You might think, "Hell, they oughta take advantage of the few opportunities they have. Look at [insert anomaly rags to riches story]. He did it." Well you can't really judge black culture in the aggregate with the metrics of such extreme cases. It's easy to just sit behind a computer with all of your utilities on and a full refrigerator calling the black "thug" a dumb ass for dealing drugs and landing in prison. You can't ignore the developmental/environmental factors of the human experience and just look at the choices.

 

 

If you do want to be educated on the matter, then take an Anthropology course for Christ's sake.

Everyone clings to their beliefs. Not that they aren't open to new information, but they still cling. Just as the black community clings to victimhood, and the belief that everyone wants to keep them down. Many of their limitations are self imposed due to an outmoded mentality. There was a time when they had to hustle and struggle to survive. And that has become so engrained in their culture, they don't know how to turn it off. What it comes down to is something you said yourself. "Simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them." That's true, and many blacks simply don't.

 

No successful black would never agree with the excuses you're putting out, because they have risen above that victim mentality. Telling me to take an anthropology class, or assuming I have no knowledge to base my beliefs on, does not make your case any less illegitimate.

[+ Dragonjack +]

I'm half Croatian and half Filipino,

[UrbanTheEmcee]

I'm half African American and half Dominican.

 

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

 

Judging from your posts I couldn't tell if you are trolling, a bigot, or just one of those ignorant sheltered folks who takes everything at face value but it's looking more like the latter.  It's really not even worth arguing with you about the numerous barriers in the US legal, educational, and socioeconomic system for blacks simply because you seem like someone who doesn't want to be educated on the matter.  You like the way your own ideas sound in your head, so you cling to them disregarding truths.  There are several studies, reports, and all out empirical evidence behind the fact that blacks have it harder in the US.  The whole "blacks aren't being lynched and sprayed with water hoses in the street anymore so they should be all caught up to white American living standards" perspective is generally held by the misinformed and racially bigoted.

 

 

You have to remember that simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them.  They have to first be educated and exposed to the benefit of taking advantage of these opportunities.  Affirmative action does no good if the social resources aren't even in place to push folks to the college and corporate level of the socioeconomic ladder.  You might think, "Hell, they oughta take advantage of the few opportunities they have.  Look at [insert anomaly rags to riches story].  He did it."  Well you can't really judge black culture in the aggregate with the metrics of such extreme cases.  It's easy to just sit behind a computer with all of your utilities on and a full refrigerator calling the black "thug" a dumb ass for dealing drugs and landing in prison.  You can't ignore the developmental/environmental factors of the human experience and just look at the choices.

 

 

If you do want to be educated on the matter, then take an Anthropology course for Christ's sake.

Everyone clings to their beliefs. Not that they aren't open to new information, but they still cling. Just as the black community clings to victimhood, and the belief that everyone wants to keep them down. Many of their limitations are self imposed due to an outmoded mentality. There was a time when they had to hustle and struggle to survive. And that has become so engrained in their culture, they don't know how to turn it off. What it comes down to is something you said yourself. "Simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them." That's true, and many blacks simply don't.

 

No successful black would never agree with the excuses you're putting out, because they have risen above that victim mentality. Telling me to take an anthropology class, or assuming I have no knowledge to base my beliefs on, does not make your case any less illegitimate.

I agree that the black community as a whole clings to its victimhood as well as makes it near-impossible for outside perspectives to evaluate their experience. But the self-imposed struggle of the black community is firmly rooted in their institutionally-enforced lack of education, perspective, and obviously money in the decades leading up to now. In some areas this is still the case. This deteriorates the ethics and values of the black family as well. Now obviously, blacks shouldn't blame modern whites for this or anybody for that matter. However, any culturally-aware African American is going to be naturally defensive towards white-American discourse and intervention on the black experience no matter the intentions. Though modern American whites shouldn't be blamed for their ancestor's crimes against humanity, they certainly shouldn't expect to be trusted by black culture. Distrust for whites is merely a cultural defense response to centuries of oppression.

 

 

 

As for the "no successful black would agree with the excuses" commentary. Of course they wouldn't. As a black you can't afford to expect justice, equality, or any real understanding from a non-black. Pity will get you no where. Sadly, you have to be pretty callus deep down as a black to succeed in America because you have to see so much injustice; yet say so little about it to climb the socioeconomic ladder. But I'm not talking about successful blacks. I'm talking about those who make the black identity as a whole. The sad truth is that whether or not X, Y, or Z accepts the excuses, these barriers are very real. The average black person simply doesn't rise above these struggles. It really has nothing to do with race either considering that not even the average white America in the body of a black person would rise above these struggles. Human behavior is merely a response to surroundings.

Edited August 28, 2013 by canttakemyid

[Eutyphro]

 

Maybe you would have to actually be American to understand that.

I have watched American tv shows, listened to American music and followed American news all my life. I think saying I'm not an American is a cheap cop out. If I'd have lied to you and said I was an American and would've put an American flag next to my name you would've believed me.

 

I see the rest of my argumentation is undisputed, so that is all I had to say.

You have no argument, the fact is, you're not American and have no experience as a citizen. And even if you said you were, I'd strongly suspect you were lying, as your opinions do not compute with the plainly obvious. I almost thought you were joking when you said the source of your knowledge was American TV shows, music, and "news". Sit back and enjoy the show feeling smug man, every other foreigner seems to.

 

 

Granted, some of what you said is fact, but some of what you're saying is theoretical

So previously I seemed to be 'stating facts based on a theory', and now suddenly I have 'no argument at all' because I'm not an 'american citizen'. I never said the source of my knowledge is these things I mentioned. The source of my knowledge are political writings. Not TV, movies or American news. But those are my information sources when it comes to my knowledge of American culture. I don't have to stay ignorant because other foreigners do. But I see you want to do all it takes to win this with an ad hominem attack. Now I defended you from Ilikehotcrossbuns bashing you, but as it turns out maybe you aren't that much better yourself when it comes to debating fairly. But then why do I even expect it on the internet..

Edited August 28, 2013 by gtaxpert

[The_Real_Deal]

 

Maybe you would have to actually be American to understand that.

I have watched American tv shows, listened to American music and followed American news all my life. I think saying I'm not an American is a cheap cop out. If I'd have lied to you and said I was an American and would've put an American flag next to my name you would've believed me.

 

I see the rest of my argumentation is undisputed, so that is all I had to say.

You have no argument, the fact is, you're not American and have no experience as a citizen. And even if you said you were, I'd strongly suspect you were lying, as your opinions do not compute with the plainly obvious. I almost thought you were joking when you said the source of your knowledge was American TV shows, music, and "news". Sit back and enjoy the show feeling smug man, every other foreigner seems to.

 

 

Granted, some of what you said is fact, but some of what you're saying is theoretical

So previously I seemed to be 'stating facts based on a theory', and now suddenly I have 'no argument at all' because I'm not an 'american citizen'. I never said the source of my knowledge is these things I mentioned. The source of my knowledge are political writings. Not TV, movies or American news. But those are my information sources when it comes to my knowledge of American culture. I don't have to stay ignorant because other foreigners do. But I see you want to do all it takes to win this with an ad hominem attack. Now I defended you from Ilikehotcrossbuns bashing you, but as it turns out maybe you aren't that much better yourself when it comes to debating fairly. But then why do I even expect it on the internet..

I didn't say you were stupid or entirely uninformed across the board. Only that you don't have enough of the full picture first hand to make an educated judgement on how certain people are treated in America, or on the opportunities available to them. I'm American, and I can speak from my own experience, and observations as an American. You make claims about the American experience that could stand correction, but you don't feel you need any sitting way over there in some other country. That is the issue. Rest assured, blacks in the US are just fine, if they want to be.

 

And I take HotBuns as seriously as he takes me.

[Eutyphro]

 

I didn't say you were stupid or entirely uninformed across the board. Only that you don't have enough of the full picture first hand to make an educated judgement on how certain people are treated in America, or on the opportunities available to them. I'm American, and I can speak from my own experience, and observations as an American. You make claims about the American experience that could stand correction, but you don't feel you need any sitting way over there in some other country. That is the issue. Rest assured, blacks in the US are just fine, if they want to be.

 

And I take HotBuns as seriously as he takes me.

What we are doing is debating an institutional setting based on facts. Not what it feels like to go get some bread in the morning when you live in America. I can handle facts from over here just fine. And the cultural bridge between me and Americans is nonexistent. That was my point with the whole 'tv', ' movie', news argument..

 

Edit: I can actually make the exact same argument towards both of us. I can say: "neither of us are black, so who are we to judge wheter they are fine? We don't understand and can't judge." That would be the same kind of ad-hominem that woud destroy all meaningfull debate.

Edited August 28, 2013 by gtaxpert

[The_Real_Deal]

What we are doing is debating an institutional setting based on facts. Not what it feels like to go get some bread in the morning when you live in America. I can handle facts from over here just fine. And the cultural bridge between me and Americans is nonexistent. That was my point with the whole 'tv', ' movie', news argument..

 

Edit: I can actually make the exact same argument towards both of us. I can say: "neither of us are black, so who are we to judge wheter they are fine? We don't understand and can't judge." That would be the same kind of ad-hominem that woud destroy all meaningfull debate.

Well whatever those 'facts' are, they're going to vary from person to person, depending on their abilities, goals, attitude and resulting choices, who they meet, and how their life unfolds - like anyplace. Those are things you can't put into a little box labeled 'facts', those are variables. You may have read about the welfare system in America, and some of what you read may very well have been facts. But can you say you know what it's like to apply for food stamps in the state of Indiana, or what it's like for a black man looking for work in Sacramento? Probably not. Even I don't know what it's like for a black man in Sacramento, but I can tell you this - each man is going to have a different story to tell. Those are just two small examples of things you could never know unless you lived here. And yet you comment on them as though you're an armchair authority. And while you're doing that, what's going on in your own neck of the world?

 

And I was about to add, I can't speak directly for the black experience in America, as I am not black. But I have known many blacks in my own country, listened to them, spoke with them. And I have seen the actions of many more. And the black community is similar to any community, in that you're going to have the happy people, and you're going to get the poor-me's. People who moan about perceived inequality, and those who integrate themselves. And when I say integrate, I don't mean sell out. It's a choice, not a state of affairs.

[Eutyphro]

Well, if you want to discuss subjectivity.. I do believe that analyzing the goals and purposes of institutions based on facts is the least subjective method. Now I wouldn't claim that the conclusions following from this aply to the experience of every subject subjected to these policies. I still find it more convincing and informative than 'anyone can pull themselves up by their own bootsraps, the end' or 'in my experience black people are fine' though.

 

To anyone who missed it, this is the post that contains my main argument: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1063065454

 

But yeah, we're going in circles and aren't discussing the discussion matter anymore, but subjectivity in general.

Edited August 28, 2013 by gtaxpert

[BrownBear]

And I was about to add, I can't speak directly for the black experience in America, as I am not black. But I have known many blacks in my own country, listened to them, spoke with them. And I have seen the actions of many more. And the black community is similar to any community, in that you're going to have the happy people, and you're going to get the poor-me's. People who moan about perceived inequality, and those who integrate themselves. And when I say integrate, I don't mean sell out. It's a choice, not a state of affairs.[/color][/size][/i]

Sorry if I misinterpreted your post, but, "perceived inequality?"

So what you're essentially saying is that it's their fault they live in poverty because they can't move on? So the murder rates of places like Detroit are nothing to do with social problems, but simply because they choose to act like that? I'd have to say you sound extremely naive.

 

I don't find it hard to see why many don't want to integrate with a society that alienates them. And please, don't give me this childish "there's no racism anymore, it's their fault now", which is essentially what you're saying.

 

 

[Eutyphro]

I don't find it hard to see why many don't want to integrate with a society that alienates them. And please, don't give me this childish "there's no racism anymore, it's their fault now", which is essentially what you're saying.

Yeah, but we supposedly have no argument because we are not Americans..

[GTA fan from the United Kingdom]

Im 75% English, 25% Jamaican.

[CatDog96]

I'm a half and a half, me dads a muggle, mums a witch, bit of a nasty shock for him when he found out

 

seriously,50% but I have white skin, White mum Black dad.

Edited August 28, 2013 by CatDog96

[Smith John]

I've got some Greek in me....but it has nothing to do with racial ancestry.

[FirstLadyofGTA]

 

Yes, but in the US the 'superfluous' population is thrown in jail for minor crimes like small drug offenses, which is why the US has such an insane jail population, and has a sh*tty healthcare system, and a sh*tty education system. Minorities are kept down. If you don't let them participate and keep them poor, no wonder they'll stay in their own group.

 

A lot is made of why the US corrections population is disproportionately black, but it's not because they are considered superfluous. The justice system in America is by no means perfect, but every US citizen is entitled to the same rights, such as legal protection, and a trial by jury. Everyone in a US prison has had that. That's not to say money couldn't buy you more effective legal counsel than you might receive from the state free of charge, or that there aren't wrong convictions. But nobody in America goes to prison for no reason. The laws aren't different for blacks than they are for whites. But the fact is, the majority of violence/drug/theft related crimes are committed by a relatively small section of society, who happen to be black. If there are any favors made in the courtroom, it's not due to the color of someone's skin.

 

There may have been a time when blacks in America had a reason to feel someone was keeping them down, but that time is no more. There are so many opportunities in the US to gain an education and build a successful life. Nobody has to sell drugs, rob stores, or live the thug life to survive. That's a cop out. But black culture in America has a way of glamorizing dysfunction and lawlessness - American rap music does it all the time. Like being a drug dealer, making money through illegal means, killing foes and mistreating women is something to aspire to. Some people actually buy into it, but the smart ones bypass all that.

Are you going to be buying into part of it on the 17th of September? LOL

Edited August 28, 2013 by FirstLadyofGTA

[FirstLadyofGTA]

 

Yes, but in the US the 'superfluous' population is thrown in jail for minor crimes like small drug offenses, which is why the US has such an insane jail population, and has a sh*tty healthcare system, and a sh*tty education system. Minorities are kept down. If you don't let them participate and keep them poor, no wonder they'll stay in their own group.

 

A lot is made of why the US corrections population is disproportionately black, but it's not because they are considered superfluous. The justice system in America is by no means perfect, but every US citizen is entitled to the same rights, such as legal protection, and a trial by jury. Everyone in a US prison has had that. That's not to say money couldn't buy you more effective legal counsel than you might receive from the state free of charge, or that there aren't wrong convictions. But nobody in America goes to prison for no reason. The laws aren't different for blacks than they are for whites. But the fact is, the majority of violence/drug/theft related crimes are committed by a relatively small section of society, who happen to be black. If there are any favors made in the courtroom, it's not due to the color of someone's skin.

 

There may have been a time when blacks in America had a reason to feel someone was keeping them down, but that time is no more. There are so many opportunities in the US to gain an education and build a successful life. Nobody has to sell drugs, rob stores, or live the thug life to survive. That's a cop out. But black culture in America has a way of glamorizing dysfunction and lawlessness - American rap music does it all the time. Like being a drug dealer, making money through illegal means, killing foes and mistreating women is something to aspire to. Some people actually buy into it, but the smart ones bypass all that.

Judging from your posts I couldn't tell if you are trolling, a bigot, or just one of those ignorant sheltered folks who takes everything at face value but it's looking more like the latter. It's really not even worth arguing with you about the numerous barriers in the US legal, educational, and socioeconomic system for blacks simply because you seem like someone who doesn't want to be educated on the matter. You like the way your own ideas sound in your head, so you cling to them disregarding truths. There are several studies, reports, and all out empirical evidence behind the fact that blacks have it harder in the US. The whole "blacks aren't being lynched and sprayed with water hoses in the street anymore so they should be all caught up to white American living standards" perspective is generally held by the misinformed and racially bigoted.

 

 

You have to remember that simply having opportunities doesn't amount to folks taking advantage of them. They have to first be educated and exposed to the benefit of taking advantage of these opportunities. Affirmative action does no good if the social resources aren't even in place to push folks to the college and corporate level of the socioeconomic ladder. You might think, "Hell, they oughta take advantage of the few opportunities they have. Look at [insert anomaly rags to riches story]. He did it." Well you can't really judge black culture in the aggregate with the metrics of such extreme cases. It's easy to just sit behind a computer with all of your utilities on and a full refrigerator calling the black "thug" a dumb ass for dealing drugs and landing in prison. You can't ignore the developmental/environmental factors of the human experience and just look at the choices.

 

 

If you do want to be educated on the matter, then take an Anthropology course for Christ's sake.

No...it's just Bill O'Reilly. lol. BTW love your post.

[Eutyphro]

@FirstLadyofGTA: I'd like to point out that there is the option of editing posts, so double posting is not needed.

[FirstLadyofGTA]

@FirstLadyofGTA: I'd like to point out that there is the option of editing posts, so double posting is not needed.

Yeah I know and....