Dan Karies Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 You surely making a difference between the real-world and the fun-packed-game-humour in GTA. The question is, more excactly, what would be (in your opinion) slightly "over the top" in terms of: - curse words - drug use - gambling - sexuality - prostitution - racism - killing children, killing pets, killing at all - flying aircraft into buildings - war - etc. etc. Is there a point where Rockstar should stop? When will satire end? What would be too much? * somebody mentioned "baby rape time trials" in another thread. i think this makes the question clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamanthaLois Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 No limits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Noodles Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 No limits, as long as it's done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tupiz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echolex Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4 Damager Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 There are certain 'lines' which I wouldn't like to see crossed in the game as they would be in bad taste. Anything involving rape or other illegal sexual activities would pose a pretty major problem for me (not on moral lines, because it's just a game, but just because I don't want to have to partake in distasteful acts in order to progress in a game). Obviously GTA is hamstrung by needing to maintain an M rating in the USA so that it can advertise on television. But that relates more to sexual content as normally graphic sexual violence and/or obvious sexual scenes are needed to bump that up to an AO rating. Most violent games can get away with an M rating as long as they don't push it too far in the sexual scenes department, and whether that is right or not is a debate for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twigs2001 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can't believe they had the balls to put planes back into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echolex Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can't believe they had the balls to put planes back into the game. Seriously? That doesn't take balls. That takes not being a sh*tty company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrrhus Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 No to torture porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4 Damager Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can't believe they had the balls to put planes back into the game. It really isn't a question of "balls" is it though? It's a question of the map being larger and of planes therefore being able to serve a purpose to the user. As far as I see it, planes were never taken out per se -- they merely skipped a game because they would have served no purpose. And assuming that your post relates to the terrorism angle, Rockstar Games obviously don't particularly care about that angle and/or don't deem it to apply to them as if I recall correctly in the final cutscene of BoGT you witness the destruction of an aircraft at the airport in Liberty City. Therefore that argument seems rather invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR_Player-One Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If they had school full of children.. would go on a rampage in that school killing all the children ? Most likely yes. I'm not from America (so I ain't butthurt - lol just kidding - ) but I know this would really, really, really not be a good thing to add in the game... It do not worth it. We shouldn't forget that teenagers play the game, whatever its rating. And that because of some of these things, it could be simply banned from numerous countries. Which would not help to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clax302 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twigs2001 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I saw someone on here say they wanted to drive into prams and watch the babies go flying, i almost vomited, it's best they leave out children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEONPOWER2 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 it´s just a video game , as long as u are smart enough to understand this , everything , in terms of satire , is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echolex Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. That isn't my point. I don't want children in the game. My point is that it doesn't make logical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. So killing hundreds of adults is "fun and games?" but killing a child isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR_Player-One Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. So killing hundreds of adults is "fun and games?" but killing a child isn't? Still better than killing aliens... hmhm #SaintsRowIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4 Damager Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. You made such a ridiculous jump there I'm surprised you didn't hurt yourself... You went from: Human children >> Babies >> Rape >> Paedophilia. There is a massive difference between a child and a baby, just as there is a massive difference between the inclusion of a baby in a game (which has already happened, albeit only in cutscenes) and the inclusion of rape. While I don't necessarily think it would be prudent or necessary to include children in the game, I don't think it would lead to such catastrophic inclusions as those that you have just mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermenz Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 There should be no red lines. They should put in what ever they want, BUT, they should do it gradually, as they do, as TV did. If they put children in now, the media will rampage, which won't be a good thing for our beloved industry, but if they'll do it gradually and feed us just a little bit more each time, eventually games will truly be adult entertainment. Hooray for boobies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDredMan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Not sure if calling 911 would be appropriate for someone on the internet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4 Damager Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If they put children in now, the media will rampage, which won't be a good thing for our beloved industry, but if they'll do it gradually and feed us just a little bit more each time, eventually games will truly be adult entertainment. Does a game involving drug use, strong language, and countless murders not meet your definition of adult entertainment? That's certainly what it'll say on the box when you buy it... And I think you'll find there are certain taboos which television finds it hard to work with even now (such as, for example, paedophilia and child murders) and bearing in mind that the television industry is both wildly different to the gaming industry, and also much older, it could be a while before your bizarre vision of true 'adult entertainment' ever reaches the mainstream. I for one will not be too bothered if it does or doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDredMan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'll tell you guys why killing children is worse than killing adults. It's because adults are assholes, and no one cares about them. Everyone knows that when an adult is murdered, (s)he had it coming. We live in a world where you HAVE to lose your soul by the time you're 20. The reason killing kids is crossing the line, is because most children are innocent rascals, and the only bad things they do are mostly unintentionally bad for everyone else. During my childhood, my parents literally flat out told me where babies come from (With details), and I, not knowing how bad that was, told my friends. I also shat in a kid's desk once. If you had know that, and I had died when I was a kid, would you have given a f*ck about my death? Hell no, because I was already a spoiled human being by then, most kids aren't, so when a kid dies, it's crossing a line because they have yet to be spoiled by the foul eye of society. Not sure what I was going on about at the end there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirpepperoni Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I can't wait until they reach they're online dream (where theyve replicated the world) and every dog and his bone are on this forum for gta10 saying I'm goner be tony Montana... Just because r*'s drug addition is coke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Black man eating a watermelon and fried chicken wont be in game. It would start new L.A. riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echolex Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Not sure what I was going on about at the end there. I'm not sure what you were going on about with any of that frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral_City Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Surprise surprise, People have limits. That's totally fine. Edited August 22, 2013 by Coral_City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clax302 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Killing children is too much. This is one thing I don't quite understand Adult killing en masse: completely fine Non-human animal killing en masse: acceptable to a degree Human children: HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT JESUS CHRIST YOU HORRIBLE MONSTER YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER AAAHHHHH Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. So killing hundreds of adults is "fun and games?" but killing a child isn't? Children (for the most part) are innocent. Most of the evil in our world comes from adults. I'm not saying this is the reason for why people think this way, but I think it has something to do with why people are ok with allowing adults kill other adults but having an adult kill a child is just wrong in many peoples opinions. How many movies do you see where adults are being killed left and right? You see it pretty often. When its a kid, best believe sh*ts gonna be controversial. Like I said whats next? A rape minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Real life or a video game, if you want to do that your sick. Look at COD, how many kids play that? All it is is killing people. Why don't they have a game mode of one team being modeled completely of kids? That sh*ts just sick and wrong. Let me guess you're one of those people that wants to be able to dismember a child with a chainsaw in a video game. Video game or not, you've gotta be sick to want to do some sh*t like that. It might not seem logical but thats the way the majority of people feel about it. Theres always a place where you have to draw the line. IMO it all comes down to the innocence and inability to defend themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clax302 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Really though? You can kill anything you want in this game, why do you want to kill babies? Is it really that important to you to be able to murder a child in the game? What's next, raping people as a minigame? Being able to be a pedophile? Theres a point where things go from being fun and games to being over the top. You made such a ridiculous jump there I'm surprised you didn't hurt yourself... You went from: Human children >> Babies >> Rape >> Paedophilia. There is a massive difference between a child and a baby, just as there is a massive difference between the inclusion of a baby in a game (which has already happened, albeit only in cutscenes) and the inclusion of rape. While I don't necessarily think it would be prudent or necessary to include children in the game, I don't think it would lead to such catastrophic inclusions as those that you have just mentioned. I have no problem with sh*t being in cutscenes. When it comes to player control, things like rape, killing children, etc should just not be possible. Why would someone even want the option to do that sh*t in a video game? You gotta be sick. Not saying just because someone wants to option to do it means they want to do it, but still theres absolutely no need for sh*t like that in a game. What fun does that add to it? All its going to do is give GTA a bad name. I have no problem with sh*t being in cutscenes to draw emotion and for story purposes. When it comes to player control, things like rape, killing children, etc should just not be possible. Why would someone even want the option to do that sh*t in a video game? You gotta be sick. Not saying just because someone wants to option to do it means they want to do it, but still theres absolutely no need for sh*t like that in a game. What fun does that add to it? All its going to do is give GTA a bad name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetDweller Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) My personal limits are: NO SEXUAL ASSAULTS No option to rape anyone in the game. Knowing that an NPC in the game is a rapist is fine as long as this isn't celebrated as a good thing. If it serves as part of the story then I'm ok with that as long as I'm not in control, encouraging or directly witnessing it. NO MISSIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO TERRORIZE "INNOCENTS" By innocents I mean all civilians of all ages that are not either criminals or law enforcement. I have no issue with Granny and her nephew being present in the bank where I'm waving an assault rifle around, but I shouldn't have to kill them to progress the game. They can be killed by me if I choose. They can act scared. But I shouldn't HAVE to kill them. CHILDREN / ANIMALS I have no issue with them being in the game. I feel it adds to the "living breathing city" aspect. If they are present then it should be POSSIBLE to kill them. I don't want immortal babies who dive out of the way of bullets or cars. If they die it would be treated like any other death. It should not be celebrated with an achievement, higher statistic number or comical sound effect. Where I draw the line here is in the amount of children present at any one time. I'd be happy with 2% of pedestrians being either baby, 8 year old or 13 year old. I honestly don't see a major difference between running over a lone civilian woman - in a game - or her AND her 8 year old daughter. However giving me access to a school full of 8 year olds and a flame thrower is not something that sits well with me. I don't know why I draw the line here; I'd just prefer the school gates to remain locked. Please note that I am one of the most paternal, child-friendly guys I know. I don't wish to go out in real life and cause any harm to anyone or anything. I trust people are sensible enough to know right from wrong and separate the gameworld from reality. I'm more hesitant about the animals, to be honest. I feel that hunting will be encouraged and rewarded. I'm sure this would only apply to abundant wild animals and not to pets, but rewarding the killing of an 'innocent' is more of an issue for me than having the choice to do it. If treated like RDR then I'm fine with it. RACISM / SEXISM / HOMOPHOBIA / STRONG ANTAGONISTIC LANGUAGE They can be in the game, if they serve the story or character, but the average viewer should understand that this isn't a good quality and is a fault of the character involved. They can show it or make fun of it, but don't encourage it. Some people are misguided or just idiots. If the player can tell that then I have no issues. I can only speak for myself and I know that not everybody plays GTA the way I do. I'm pretty restrained when playing. Usually I only kill if it is required for a mission and I try to not drive over pedestrians on purpose. I will occasionally pull out a sniper rifle or grenades or a car and take out a few people who happen to be around for "Fun", but it's not my general style and I certainly know not to behave like that in real life. My limits for the game are more to do with taste, tone and rewards than any real world morals. Edited August 22, 2013 by carpetdweller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigabomber Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Satire and comedy are difficult to draw a hard line for because the difference between good and bad is subtle. For example, the woman who is deepthroating the Piswaser: I felt it would be funnier if it was a bit more subtle. Carlin had a bit on exaggeration in which he deliberately used something that was too exaggerated so that it wasn't funny, it was a joke on a joke lost to much of the crowd, of course. I love when people get offended at satire, and the only real limit is when people push it so far they become a satire of themself (Saints row 3,4). I do like how people get very offended about it though, convincing themselves that a satirical piece or concept actually damages society in some way, as if over-seriousness and censorship aren't much more grievous offenses. I think sexual assault is difficult to make funny, but then (high minded sh*t) Alexander Pope 's Rape of the Lock was offensive to many of the people in a class I took and I found it one of the most hilarious things I'd read in years (it's not actually about rape: it's about being so crazed that you cut a bit from someone's hair). I never feel so put off as when people don't find satire crippingly funny, but when they go too far they just get boring and nearly unwatchable (American Space Rangers was the worst bit in the last game, I've never been particularly big on bodily-function-based humor). However, making a genuinely creepy character is also one of the most powerful and memorable things that can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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